What's the difference between I and R migrations?

[Bosniensis]

What's the difference between I (cromagnon) people and R (people) in pra-ancient times.

How they migrated? from where?

I've tried to find maps.. but I was unlucky.

[Kelmendasi]

Haplogroup I evolved in Europe from IJ carriers who had crossed from west Asia(possibly via the black sea route) into Europe where they then developed into I. R originates in north-eastern Asia and then migrated towards eastern Europe as EHG people and then as Indo-Europeans into Europe

[Pigling]

Haplogroup I evolved in Europe from IJ carriers who had crossed from west Asia(possibly via the black sea route) into Europe where they then developed into I. R originates in north-eastern Asia and then migrated towards eastern Europe as EHG people and then as Indo-Europeans into Europe

What haplogroup in native European then?

I mean haplogroup that evolved in Europe.

[Ülev]

http://i58.tinypic.com/2uq2djd.jpg

more here: http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1719/revisit-cruicani-backmigration-theory-r1b

[Kelmendasi]

What haplogroup in native European then?

I mean haplogroup that evolved in Europe.
Haplogroup I evolved in Europe although it's direct father line came from west Asia so in a sense no haplogroup is exactly native to Europe

[Bosniensis]

Haplogroup I evolved in Europe although it's direct father line came from west Asia so in a sense no haplogroup is exactly native to Europe

Adam and Eve came from somewhere right? Is it possible to figure Adam's Haplogroup?

[Kelmendasi]

Adam and Eve came from somewhere right? Is it possible to figure Adam's Haplogroup?
Haplogroup A is the haplogroup which is the ancestor of all haplogroups and it's a haplogroup found in Africans so "Adam" was haplogroup A and from Africa. "Mitochondrial Eve" was Mtdna L which is the ancestor of all Mtdna haplogroups and is also an African haplogroup

[Bosniensis]

Haplogroup A is the haplogroup which is the ancestor of all haplogroups and it's a haplogroup found in Africans so "Adam" was haplogroup A and from Africa. "Mitochondrial Eve" was Mtdna L0 which is the ancestor of all Mtdna haplogroups and is also an African haplogroup

So Adam was A.

A = Adam...

R = Rethel...

I understand now.....

[Kelmendasi]

So Adam was A.

A = Adam...

R = Rethel...

I understand now.....
Well if there was an Abrahamic Adam which is very unlikely then yes

[Pigling]

Haplogroup I evolved in Europe although it's direct father line came from west Asia so in a sense no haplogroup is exactly native to Europe

What about Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals?

They lived in Europe..

[Ülev]

http://i58.tinypic.com/2uq2djd.jpg

more here: http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1719/revisit-cruicani-backmigration-theory-r1b

R1b1a (R-L754)

R1b1a (R-L754) was carried by an individual known as Villabruna 1, who lived circa 14,000 BP in north-east Italy, and belonged to the Epigravettian culture.

Living individuals positive for L761, an equivalent to L754, have been found at high frequencies among the Toubou population inhabiting Chad (34%).[36]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b

[Ülev]

I bless the rains down in Africa,
I passed some rains down in Africa,
I bless the rains down in Africa,
I bless the rains down in Africa,
I passed some rains down in Africa


https://youtu.be/FTQbiNvZqaY

[Rethel]

What's the difference between I (cromagnon) people and R (people) in pra-ancient times.

How they migrated? from where?

I've tried to find maps.. but I was unlucky.

"Before G2 came"
Now I would enlarge the area of C1.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64539&d=1491726731

Indoeuropean homeland...

https://zapodaj.net/images/2ebf0c659dd0b.gif

[Rethel]

What haplogroup in native European then?

Neanderthal one :laugh:


I mean haplogroup that evolved in Europe.

None evolved, and all were birthed in Asia, on the ME. ALL.

[Rethel]

Haplogroup I evolved in Europe although it's direct father line came from west Asia so in a sense no haplogroup is exactly native to Europe

C1 was first, and if you belive in separated neanderthals, then they.

[Rethel]

Adam and Eve came from somewhere right? Is it possible to figure Adam's Haplogroup?

No, becasue whole hg-tree is screwed up by delusionists who belive in apes.

[Ülev]

"Before G2 came"
Now I would enlarge the area of C1.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64539&d=1491726731

Indoeuropean homeland...

https://zapodaj.net/images/2ebf0c659dd0b.gif


http://i58.tinypic.com/2uq2djd.jpg

more here: http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1719/revisit-cruicani-backmigration-theory-r1b

and quote from Egyptsearch


What are the plausible scenarios to explain this genetic pattern.?

1. The central source is somewhere in the African Sahel(Chad Basin) with this R-V88 population “fanning” outwards.
2. These Eurasian populations from Iberia, Sardinia and Levant migrated towards the Chadic Basin.

Which makes more sense? We all know R-V88 is older than R-M269.

In addition R-V88 has greater diversity in INNER Africa than in Morocco, Siwa and Algeria.

[Rethel]

Haplogroup A is the haplogroup which is the ancestor of all haplogroups and it's a haplogroup found in Africans so "Adam" was haplogroup A and from Africa.

Adam did not live in Africa, and his hg is not the oldest existing.
Before you start to disscuss the matter, read the story... :picard2:


"Mitochondrial Eve" was Mtdna L which is the ancestor of all Mtdna haplogroups and is also an African haplogroup

The same as above with probable exception of second sentence.

[Ülev]

of course they lived in Africa, warm climate, the food came to mouth, you do not have worried about frost etc. Northern part of North and South hemisphere is the hell - where the devils boils bad souls with the carbon ---> Carbon (from Latin: carbo "coal") is a chemical element with symbol C and atomic number 6
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon

[Kelmendasi]

Adam did not live in Africa, and his hg is not the oldest existing.
Before you start to disscuss the matter, read the story... :picard2:



The same as above with probable exception of second sentence.
Jesus christ man :picard1:. Haplogroup A is the oldest among humans and originated in Africa

[Kelmendasi]

C1 was first, and if you belive in separated neanderthals, then they.
C1 didn't originate in Europe though unlike haplogroup I

[Kelmendasi]

What about Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals?

They lived in Europe..
Cro-Magnons were IJ which is the ancestor of both J and I. Neanderthals didn't carry haplogroups which are found among modern day humans but their haplogroups would've been the oldest in Europe

[Ülev]

Cro-Magnons were IJ which is the ancestor of both J and I. Neanderthals didn't carry haplogroups which are found among modern day humans but their haplogroups would've been the oldest in Europe

Genetics

A 2003 sequencing on the mitochondrial DNA of two Cro-Magnons (23,000-year-old Paglicci 52 and 24,720-year-old Paglicci 12) identified the mtDNA as Haplogroup N.[33]

A 2015 study sequenced the genome of a 13,000 year old Cro-Magnon from Switzerland. He belonged to Y DNA Haplogroup I2a and mtDNA haplogroup U5b1h.[61]

Palaeolithic males in Czech Republic (30,000 years ago), in Belgium (35,000 years ago)[62]and in the south of Russia (37,000 years ago) [63]belong to Haplogroup C-V20.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon

[Rethel]

C1 didn't originate in Europe though unlike haplogroup I

"I" also didn't.
I* basal types are in Asia.
And all main hgs originated there.

[Rethel]

Jesus christ man :picard1:. Haplogroup A is the oldest among humans and originated in Africa

Yea sure, and your grandpa was a monkey... :picard2:

Btw, where was founded oldest A? WHERE??????

[Ülev]

Genetics

A 2003 sequencing on the mitochondrial DNA of two Cro-Magnons (23,000-year-old Paglicci 52 and 24,720-year-old Paglicci 12) identified the mtDNA as Haplogroup N.[33]

A 2015 study sequenced the genome of a 13,000 year old Cro-Magnon from Switzerland. He belonged to Y DNA Haplogroup I2a and mtDNA haplogroup U5b1h.[61]

Palaeolithic males in Czech Republic (30,000 years ago), in Belgium (35,000 years ago)[62]and in the south of Russia (37,000 years ago) [63]belong to Haplogroup C-V20.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon


Distribution map of current human beings (Cro-Magnon), by Currat & Excoffier (2004)[1].　This is considered to be almost synonymous with the expansion of Haplogroup C1a2.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Cro-Magnon_migration.gif/250px-Cro-Magnon_migration.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C-V20

[Kelmendasi]

Yea sure, and your grandpa was a monkey... :picard2:

Btw, where was founded oldest A? WHERE??????
Man you need to actually learn about haplogroups it seems, A originates in Africa and is most common among the Khoisan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_A_(Y-DNA). And the theory of evolution states nothing about humans coming from monkeys and actually has facts to back it up unlike your belief that a man up in the skies created us lol

[Rethel]

Man you need to actually learn about haplogroups it seems, A originates in Africa

Again, it seems that you didn;t get it. I asked: where was founded oldest A?

[Kelmendasi]

Again, it seems that you didn;t get it. I asked: where was founded oldest A?
Cameroon afaik. Idk how you’re talking about haplogroups when you didn’t know that all haplogroups derive from haplogroup A from Africa

[Rethel]

Cameroon afaik.

And what excavation it is, when this discovery was made, what culture it was? Please give us the name of the place...

[Kelmendasi]

And what excavation it is, when this discovery was made, what culture it was? Please give us the name of the place...
Cant you search it yourself? Im not on a computer. Haplogroup A is the oldest human Ydna and originates in Africa this is a fact even shown by how it’s descendant BT was the first to move out of Africa. There was no Biblical Adam or Eve

[Rethel]

Cant you search it yourself?

No I can;t.
It was you who claim, that know for sure, that A is the oldest hg.
So, I assumed, that you know, what are you talking about.
But I was wrong. You have no idea. You just repeating after
someone else, who is repeating after someone else, who is
repeating after... aso aso aso...

Just as I thought. You have no bloody idea, but you claim, that you know...


Haplogroup A is the oldest human Ydna and originates in Africa this is a fact

So, mantra goes further... on, and on, and on...


even shown by how it’s descendant BT

And how did you established, that BT is a descendant of A, and that is (I assume if it is a proof) almost equaly old.
Where did you found it in Africa, in which culture, in what place and how did you make the age calculation. How?


was the first to move out of Africa.

As above.
How do you know it was in Africa at all, and that it moved first?
Where it is written, where it was founded, and how did you established the real age,a nd how old it is?
Oh, you don;t know, the same as you do not know, about A...


There was no Biblical Adam or Eve

Obviously there, in Africa was no them.
It knows everybody who knoe the basic story.
You do not have to enlight me on that, especially,
that I allready told you that. They were in some other
part opf the World but you have to be very deluded expecting,
that you can find their hg among living people... :picard2:

[Kelmendasi]

No I can;t.
It was you who claim, that know for sure, that A is the oldest hg.
So, I assumed, that you know, what are you talking about.
But I was wrong. You have no idea. You just repeating after
someone else, who is repeating after someone else, who is
repeating after... aso aso aso...

Just as I thought. You have no bloody idea, but you claim, that you know...



So, mantra goes further... on, and on, and on...



And how did you established, that BT is a descendant of A, and that is (I assume if it is a proof) almost equaly old.
Where did you found it in Africa, in which culture, in what place and how did you make the age calculation. How?



As above.
How do you know it was in Africa at all, and that it moved first?
Where it is written, where it was founded, and how did you established the real age,a nd how old it is?
Oh, you don;t know, the same as you do not know, about A...



Obviously there, in Africa was no them.
It knows everybody who knoe the basic story.
You do not have to enlight me on that, especially,
that I allready told you that. They were in some other
part opf the World but you have to be very deluded expecting,
that you can find their hg among living people... :picard2:
You really have no clue about haplogroups, I guess this is what religion does to people. The only deluded person here is you man babbling on and on about “ohhh nnnooo A is not oldest coz Adam” just stop because it’s yourself who you are fooling, I mean do you really think that the first woman was created from a man’s rib. The evidence for what I say is online, you can go check for yourself but I can’t be bothered to spoon feed you just because you want to make excuses and say that everyone else is deluded

[Rethel]

You really have no clue about haplogroups,

You allready said it so many times, that I allready know that you have either glass sphere, either you are talking about things you don;t know.
I know about hgs much more than you - and I knew about them when you was in kindergarten, so insted of nonsensical ad personam babbling, answer the questions.


babbling on and on about “ohhh nnnooo A is not oldest coz Adam”

Man, are you really so desperate, that you have to twist what I said?
So maybe I repeat, if you have the memory as your ape grandpa. I ask you simplem factual and scientific questions:

And what excavation it is [where was found the oldest A], when this discovery
was made, what culture it was? Please give us the name of the place.

And how did you established, that BT is a descendant of A, and that is (I assume if it is a proof) almost equaly old.
Where did you found it in Africa, in which culture, in what place and how did you make the age calculation. How?

How do you know it [BT] was in Africa at all, and that it moved first?
Where it is written, where it was founded, and how did you established the real age,a nd how old it is?

I am waiting.
So if you are so inteligent and well informed, you
shouldn;t have problems with the answers...

p.s. I repeat for monkey descandants: you do not have to inform
me, about my level of knowledge 10th time. I got it! Now, answer
the question. You had enaugh time to even find ready answer on
internet, but I will pretend, that you always knew this... :laugh:

[Rethel]

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