PISA results 2017

[Finnish Swede]

Again the same trends continued....European students (age of 15 years old) are leaving more and more from the speed of others.

This time only Estonians and Finns (= Finnics) were able to get in top 8. Now students collaborative and problem solving skills were tested.

http://www.oecd.org/pisa/

Scores:

•561 Singapore
•552 Japan
•541 Hongkong
•538 Korea
•535 Canada
•535 Estonia
•534 Finland
•534 Macao
•533 New-Zealand
•531 Australia

(Finland...which has earlier been many times among of top 3 countries in PISA results => Finns girls still scored very well this time 559...only 2 points behind of Singapore (inside of variations), but Finns boys were already clearly much behind. No other country among of top 8 had as big gap between genders.)


Overall something to think about as this really looks worse and worse everytime for Europeans.

[Fractal]

I'd like to compare their scores with Indians (and Asians) in the USA.

[Finnish Swede]

I'd like to compare their scores with Indians (and Asians) in the USA.

Sorry, PISA won't analyse material that way.

And it is good to keep in minds that together Finns and Estonians are only 6,7million people...like a water drop in
Europe.

[Böri]

North East Asian genes dominate obviously.

[Autrigón]

Again the same trends continued....European students (age of 15 years old) are leaving more and more from the speed of others.

This time only Estonians and Finns (= Finnics) were able to get in top 8. Now students collaborative and problem solving skills were tested.

http://www.oecd.org/pisa/

Scores:

•561 Singapore
•552 Japan
•541 Hongkong
•538 Korea
•535 Canada
•535 Estonia
•534 Finland
•534 Macao
•533 New-Zealand
•531 Australia

(Finland...which has earlier been many times among of top 3 countries in PISA results => Finns girls still scored were well this time 559...only 2 points behind of Singapore (inside of variations), but Finns boys were already clearly much behind. No other country among of top 8 had as big gap between genders.)


Overall something to think about as this really looks worse and worse everytime for Europeans.Because european youngs are only thinking in alcohol, drugs, nightclubs, idealizing football players, absurd tv programs (MTV style) and that kind of unproductive shit. You only have to read the comments on this forum to test this.

What do you think is the reason of the gap between boys and girls in Finland?

About Asia...for example the results of Japan are obvious, japanese society is extremely competetitive and their citizens are becoming in robots. They have big problems with suicide rates, isolation of teenagers in their homes, adults who are unable of get a girlfriend, strange social hobbies who are product of that psicological isolation, etc.

[Magnolia]

Finland is well known for the great education system.
Estonians are wannabe Finns. They copy everything Finnish - include the system of education - that's the whole miracle.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Portugal performed well once again, the only Southern European nation to be above all OECD averages on science, math and reading. According to the study, Portuguese students are also the ones who enjoy to watch the success of their colleagues, those who take more into account what interests others and those who feel that teams make better decisions than individuals.

[Tobi]

Brazilians results are ridiculous just as expected, lol

They are trying to change the education system right to something similar to Portugal, but that's not the problem, IMO.

[Albobalboa]

Because european youngs are only thinking in alcohol, drugs, nightclubs, idealizing football players, absurd tv programs (MTV style) and that kind of unproductive shit. You only have to read the comments on this forum to test this.

What do you think is the reason of the gap between boys and girls in Finland?

About Asia...for example the results of Japan are obvious, japanese society is extremely competetitive and their citizens are becoming in robots. They have big problems with suicide rates, isolation of teenagers in their homes, adults who are unable of get a girlfriend, strange social hobbies who are product of that psicological isolation, etc.

Would you prefer people living as robots? European youth has more value than Asian youth which is essentially just existing for production. I can't blame them since Asians would be fucked in all possible ways on this planet if it wasn't for hard work through education.

[Finnish Swede]

What do you think is the reason of the gap between boys and girls in Finland?

Well that result actually surprised even experts here. But I have my own opinion (as always :))
1.) girls are (at that age range 7 => 15years old) more thorough students.
2.) school's system/teaching methods do not motivate boys same ways.
3.) group pressure (boys might become school bullyied easier if they study harder).

[Porn Master]

this is why mongoloids northerners are superior than you lazy southerners xD

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Brazilians results are ridiculous just as expected, lol

They are trying to change the education system right to something similar to Portugal, but that's not the problem, IMO.

What system are they adopting?

[JohnSmith]

this is why mongoloids northerners are superior than you lazy southerners xD

Southerners have better health and life expectancy.

[Porn Master]

Southerners have better health and life expectancy.



where?

[JohnSmith]

where?

Per capita Greece is poor but still has a life expectancy that is quite high compared to Germany. Denmark is the Cancer Capital of the world.

The Mediterranean diet is very healthy and sunlight helps promote good health.

[Porn Master]

Per capita Greece is poor but still has a life expectancy that is quite high compared to Germany. Denmark is the Cancer Capital of the world.

The Mediterranean diet is very healthy and sunlight helps promote good health.




meds are known lazy parasites like the rest southerners, they suck out Germanic and Finno-Ugric money xd

[JohnSmith]

meds are known lazy parasites like the rest southerners, they suck out Germanic and Finno-Ugric money xd

It is way more complicated than that. They are not parasites and they have their own way of life which is just different. Germany has benefited tremendously from a weak EURO which Greece has helped provide them. Do not act a fool.

[Finnish Swede]

Southerners have better health and life expectancy.

I have hear that some (areas) Italians? will live very old too because of their healthy food.

[Fractal]

It is way more complicated than that. They are not parasites and they have their own way of life which is just different. Germany has benefited tremendously from a weak EURO which Greece has helped provide them. Do not act a fool.

You're always so defensive about Meds be stereotyped as lazy and less productive than Germanics.

It's as true as gravity, or as true as Indians outperforming White students in the USA in the math and science classrooms.

[wvwvw]

meds are known lazy parasites like the rest southerners, they suck out Germanic and Finno-Ugric money xd

Germany is the Eurozone’s biggest free rider, the biggest parasite.

[Porn Master]

Germany is the Eurozone’s biggest free rider, the biggest parasite.




but Germany paid a lot

[wvwvw]

Per capita Greece is poor but still has a life expectancy that is quite high compared to Germany. Denmark is the Cancer Capital of the world.

The Mediterranean diet is very healthy and sunlight helps promote good health.

Yeah after the biggest looting of a people occuring in modern history took place to save the corrupt German banks Greek per capita is poor. What comes around goes around though.

Greece should have done like Iceland and default on its "debt"

[wvwvw]

but Germany paid a lot

It paid nothing, it loaned money to save its banks, looted Greek pension funds to save its banks and earned hundreds of thousands of euros in the process.

It cost Greece over 1,5 trillion to loan 200 billion.

Germany effectively murdered a nation and a people in typical nazist fashion. One day will pay for its crimes.

[Porn Master]

It paid nothing, it loaned money to save its banks, looted Greek pension funds to save its banks and earned hundreds of thousands of euros in the process.

It cost Greece over 1,5 trillion to loan 200 billion.




but what the hell Greece is doing in EU if people are unhappy with??

[Albobalboa]

Yeah after the biggest looting of a people occuring in modern history took place to save the corrupt German banks Greek per capita is poor. What comes around goes around though.

Greece should have done like Iceland and default on its "debt"

Extreme delusion. Who would have to pay the debt to those German banks if it wasn't for the Germans themselves stepping in to do it? Who owed them money in the first place?

[JohnSmith]

I have hear that some (areas) Italians? will live very old too because of their healthy food.

They did have the last person that was born in the 1800s since has since died. Japan and the Mediterranean are known for their diets leading to longer life expectancy.

[JohnSmith]

but what the hell Greece is doing in EU if people are unhappy with??

They like the EURO better than there old currency. It pushed there standard of living higher and allowed them to borrow at low interest rates.

[JohnSmith]

but Germany paid a lot

Germany is free loading and using the fixed currency exchange to suck their neighbor dry.

[JohnSmith]

You're always so defensive about Meds be stereotyped as lazy and less productive than Germanics.

It's as true as gravity, or as true as Indians outperforming White students in the USA in the math and science classrooms.

I always said they are not as productive but that is just one aspect of them no reason to base people off of one aspect. There are other things about their culture that people like, there is a reason why many people visit these countries. I would not say Meds generally as Meds can exist all over Europe. It is more of the southern culture and they are not lazy because they actually work more hours per week than Northern Europeans.

[Mingle]

North East Asian genes dominate obviously.

Nope. Then Russia should do much better than Estonia. Also, Latvia is Estonia's neighbor and almost genetically the same but does massively worse than them. Also, Sweden has a small amount of NEA genes (probably more than Estonia) but it does worse than New Zealand. Finland is said to have the best education system in the world so that would explain why it is so high. As for Estonia, it has strong cultural ties to Finland so probably learned some stuff from them. Singapore Chinese people are originally from South China and they did better than Japan and way better than China.

[Black Panther]

It paid nothing, it loaned money to save its banks, looted Greek pension funds to save its banks and earned hundreds of thousands of euros in the process.

It cost Greece over 1,5 trillion to loan 200 billion.

Germany effectively murdered a nation and a people in typical nazist fashion. One day will pay for its crimes.

They have the 3rd lowest child fertility in the world if that makes you happy.

[Mingle]

What is the category "social background" supposed to mean?

[wvwvw]

Extreme delusion. Who would have to pay the debt to those German banks if it wasn't for the Germans themselves stepping in to do it? Who owed them money in the first place?

Greece would have paid if Germany let her. But she found the perfect opportunity to take advantage of the situation and make come true her nazist dream to destroy Greece. Let's not forget that those banks took upon themselves a risk when they irresponsibly loaned money to Greece and should have been held accountable too. Those loans went to buy German products anyway, like defective German u boats. She set a trap for Greece years before Greece join the eu, and she knew perfectly well this what happen if Greece joined the Euro. But it gave rosy predictions about the Greek economy until the last minute before the crisis broke out. (started off by Lehmans brothers) Germany is far from being a saint, herself has never repaid back previous loans, and when the German stock exchange collapsed in 1999 the eu central bank illegally stepped in to save Germany. Although Greece is to blame for her economic crisis, Germany did not help at all, but made the crisis 100 times worse. Not to mention her vicious black propaganda against Greece for almost a decade now.

[wvwvw]

They have the 3rd lowest child fertility in the world if that makes you happy.

Who is they? Germany? Doubt they have lower than Greece.

[wvwvw]

I always said they are not as productive but that is just one aspect of them no reason to base people off of one aspect. There are other things about their culture that people like, there is a reason why many people visit these countries. I would not say Meds generally as Meds can exist all over Europe. It is more of the southern culture and they are not lazy because they actually work more hours per week than Northern Europeans.

And a German who has a disease or for some reason can't work, he stays at home, effectively retiring himself from work, but he is getting paid and on paper he is still working until he takes his pension at 65. In Greece they simply gave reduced pension early to this category of people. German politicians and journalists are such excellent spin doctors.

[Cristiano viejo]

Spain in PISA test 2017. Castilla y León rules! :kiss2001:

https://ep01.epimg.net/politica/imagenes/2017/11/20/actualidad/1511207373_396258_1511208138_sumario_normal_recort e1.jpg

[JohnSmith]

And a German who has a disease or for some reason can't work, he stays at home, effectively retiring himself from work, but he is getting paid and on paper he is still working until he takes his pension at 65. In Greece they simply gave reduced pension early to this category of people. German politicians and journalists are such excellent spin doctors.

True, but Greek politicians are bigger spin doctors. They have been complicit in destroying a whole generation of Greek youth.

[JohnSmith]

Spain in PISA test 2017. Castilla y León rules! :kiss2001:




You want a cookie.

[wvwvw]

True, but Greek politicians are bigger spin doctors. They have been complicit in destroying a whole generation of Greek youth.

Oh they most definitely are.

[Cristiano viejo]

You want a cookie.

Stop putting your eyes on me.

[JohnSmith]

Stop putting your eyes on me.

:rolleyes:

[Harkonnen]

What do you think is the reason of the gap between boys and girls in Finland?



Finnish boys don't give a shit. We party hard and die young and beautiful.

[Harkonnen]

Southerners have better health and life expectancy.

Finnish boys don't give a shit. We party hard and die young and wasted.

[JohnSmith]

Finnish boys don't give a shit. We party hard and die young and wasted.

Nothing wrong with that. We all would like to enjoy our lives.

[Fractal]

You want a cookie.

Like these irrelevant tests even matter. Spain is so high yet they have zero importance or significance in the global tech industry, lmao.

[Harkonnen]

Nothing wrong with that. We all would like to enjoy our lives.

It's not about enjoyment. You think we are some fucking faggos around here? Ever seen the life of a alcoholic? Ain't nothing sweet about it. But our black hearts are drawn towards the Great Satan, Our Savior, so we can't help it.

[JohnSmith]

It's not about enjoyment. You think we are some fucking faggos around here? Ever seen the life of a alcoholic? Ain't nothing sweet about it. But our black hearts are drawn towards the Great Satan, Our Savior, so we can't help it.

I do not think that at all.

[DarkSecret]

Portugal performed well once again, the only Southern European nation to be above all OECD averages on science, math and reading. According to the study, Portuguese students are also the ones who enjoy to watch the success of their colleagues, those who take more into account what interests others and those who feel that teams make better decisions than individuals.

That's a very good qualification in today's world.

[Cristiano viejo]

Like these irrelevant tests even matter. Spain is so high yet they have zero importance or significance in the global tech industry, lmao.
Jealous curry nigga boy?

[Black Panther]

Who is they? Germany? Doubt they have lower than Greece.

Germans have fewer kids than even the Japanese. I doubt Greeks have fewer kids than Germans.

[DarkSecret]

Can't believe Greece is almost as bad as Turkey.

[wvwvw]

Can't believe Greece is almost as bad as Turkey.

Still better than Turkey.

Anyway the pisa test, is not an iq test, a competition, or an Olympiad in which Greek student often bring home gold medals. They ask students very specific things which are simply not taught in Greek schools. And this has nothing to do itself with the subject itself, mathematics, physics etc. Which is why Greece even considered withdraw itself altogether from this "competition"

In the latest 2017 mathematic olympiad Greeks did very good.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVwQKtRTTDlrwxPohsgst4gFJvxDMQH XL-m8sr8HFcAP-acq4

Greece in the 12th place in the world at Mathematics

The 58th International Mathematical Olympiad held in Rio de Janeiro from 12 to 23 July 2017 was completed. The Greek mission ranked 12th in the world, third in Europe and the first among the countries of the European Union. The Greeks won a Gold Medal, four silver medals and one Bronze Medal.

[Finnish Swede]

Would you prefer people living as robots? European youth has more value than Asian youth which is essentially just existing for production. I can't blame them since Asians would be fucked in all possible ways on this planet if it wasn't for hard work through education.

Perhaps I'm the only one here; but I'm worried as Asian students will pass (knowledges/skills) Europeans from left & right.

[wvwvw]

Unlike public school students, private Greek schools scored well in the Pisa test.

[Finnish Swede]

Unlike public school students, private Greek schools scored well in the Pisa test.

Any idea what % of students might go through the public school system and what % the private school system?


In any cases....I think every European country should start to develop their own education system, and quickly. It does not help much it we're gonna have those old, great, ritch, famous Universities....full of non-european students.

[Finnish Swede]

Double post (deleted).

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Perhaps I'm the only one here; but I'm worried as Asian students will pass (knowledges/skills) Europeans from left & rights.

In the near future genetic engineering will allow for all human beings to have high intelligence and other desired traits and so I'm not particularly worried about Asians dominating the world.

[Finnish Swede]

In the near future genetic engineering will allow for all human beings to have high intelligence and other desired traits and so I'm not particularly worried about Asians dominating the world.

If true one day....do you think that Europeans will be exactly the first ones in line to go on that?
Accepting that?
Keeping it ''ethicality'' ok?

Today we are against of GMO food....

[Hamlet]

Israel didn't do that great at all, Ashkenazis clearly aren't doing enough to pull the rest up.

[Hamlet]

Perhaps I'm the only one here; but I'm worried as Asian students will pass (knowledges/skills) Europeans from left & right.

You don't need to worry about East Asians, this is a bit of a meme but they genuinely do lack innovation. Only the Japanese have what it takes.

Just as an example:

http://www.viewsoftheworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/NobelPrizeCartogram.jpg

[Hamlet]

If true one day....do you think that Europeans will be exactly the first ones in line to go on that?
Accepting that?
Keeping it ''ethicality'' ok?

Today we are against of GMO food....

The first people to genetically engineer humans will be the Chinese, or some other Asian culture that has an academic and nationalistic emphasis without actually having the racial intelligence (I sound quite harsh for saying that, but it's true) to achieve.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

If true one day....do you think that Europeans will be exactly the first ones in line to go on that?
Accepting that?
Keeping it ''ethicality'' ok?

Today we are against of GMO food....

Except for highly religious people I don't see why not once people see the results. Lets say European countries ban genetic engineering traits. The Chinese government certainly won't do so and so just as a business owner needs to adapt to his competitor's innovations or go out of business European governments would have to adapt or be placed at an obvious disadvantage.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

You don't need to worry about East Asians, this is a bit of a meme but they genuinely do lack innovation. Only the Japanese have what it takes.

Just as an example:

http://www.viewsoftheworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/NobelPrizeCartogram.jpg

China has only recently been coming out of its dark ages.

[Hamlet]

China has only recently been coming out of its dark ages.

Yes but there are plenty of well-educated Chinese immigrants to the US too - if you take ultra-religious Jews out of the equation, there are about as many Chinamen in America as Jews, but the Nobel Prize gap is disparate.

[Petros Houhoulis]

North East Asian genes dominate obviously.

...And Turks are in the bottom of the list because they have none of those genes.

[Hamlet]

Also, this:

http://i.imgur.com/xUnZ31y.png

What do all these countries have in common?

(Sie sprechen ähnliche Sprachen)

[Hamlet]

Another interesting variation on that map. All the innovation in the world comes from a select few:

http://i.imgur.com/2CPwkVB.png

[Petros Houhoulis]

Can't believe Greece is almost as bad as Turkey.

Yes, it's true. I feel terribly alone, and so should you.

[wvwvw]

Also, this:

http://i.imgur.com/xUnZ31y.png

What do all these countries have in common?

(Sie sprechen ähnliche Sprachen)

Nothing to do with iq, they simply provide the suitable environment for innovation.

[zhaoyun]

Another interesting variation on that map. All the innovation in the world comes from a select few:

http://i.imgur.com/2CPwkVB.png

History isn't over yet.

Most innovations in the future will come from Asia.

[wvwvw]

History isn't over yet.

Most innovations in the future will come from Asia.

Yes, From India

[Hamlet]

History isn't over yet.

Most innovations in the future will come from Asia.

Maybe so, but at the moment that theory is pure conjecture

[Fractal]

Yes, From India

More than from Greece, surely. And high schools in the USA with a large Indian student body are known to have high test scores, and high enrollment in Advanced Placement courses.

And we're still not nerdy either, all the Indian-Americans I knew in high school were going to house parties and getting drunk or smoking pot by the 9th grade unlike the other nerdy ethnicities. (moderately and in control unlike whites, however)

[zhaoyun]

Maybe so, but at the moment that theory is pure conjecture

Yes, but the capabilities and scale are being built up as we speak. The future industrial revolution, which, on a size and scale, will overshadow what we've seen previously is occurring right now in Asia, which has been largely in the dark during the 19th and 20th centuries. China, in particular, is building up enormous research capabilities and the required skilled resources and becoming a major center of innovation as we speak. They will face massive new problems and issues with their own industrialization that they will solve themselves, leading to new innovations.

History is nowhere near over. But the trends for the future are becoming quite clear already.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Have they put out any chart\ranking like this one yet (this one is outdated)?

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/58471001ba6eb6d3008b7bf9-1200


I would like to see the classification of all the countries in order in this three fields, easier than having to access the PDF report all the time.

[Finnish Swede]

Nothing to do with iq, they simply provide the suitable environment for innovation.

Which is?

And how/why it is so in those particular countries?

[Finnish Swede]

Have they put out any chart\ranking like this one yet (this one is outdated)?

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/58471001ba6eb6d3008b7bf9-1200


I would like to see the classification of all the countries in order in this three fields, easier than having to access the PDF report all the time.

I think those are the latest. They do't do all every year.

[Albobalboa]

Perhaps I'm the only one here; but I'm worried as Asian students will pass (knowledges/skills) Europeans from left & right.

The same way the west has benefited Asia in development, Asia could benefit the west. Neither of us is a part of the absolute elite of society, so we should just appreciate increased competition which will increase living standards for all of us peasants and push technological development forward.

I'll cheer Indians and Chinese doing all that boring shit, it's a win-win. I just want a good job, a nice woman, some sidechicks, and good weed.

[Finnish Swede]

The same way the west has benefited Asia in development, Asia could benefit the west. Neither of us is a part of the absolute elite of society, so we should just appreciate increased competition which will increase living standards for all of us peasants and push technological development forward.


Yes. It's fine if they will stay is a same ''speed'' but if one starts to leave behínd (knowledges, skills)...it will not promise anything good in a longer run...to another of them....you know to whom.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I think those are the latest. They do't do all every year.

No, this is not from 2017.

[Dandelion]

Germans have fewer kids than even the Japanese. I doubt Greeks have fewer kids than Germans.

They import Poles who barely have children themselves.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes, From India

Not from India but from Japan, Korea and China.




http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/58471001ba6eb6d3008b7bf9-1200

lol Kosovo, are they really handicaped?? :picard1:

[caviezel]

the more a country is extroverted the worse its students score. being extroverted is often inversely correlated to concentration and studying.

[Black Panther]

Not from India but from Japan, Korea and China.


lol Kosovo, are they really handicaped?? :picard1:

They're a poor nation that needs time to develop and become more education oriented. And most countries on the PISA list are developed, which is unfair for all the developing countries participating.

[Black Panther]

They import Poles who barely have children themselves.

EEs and Germans have incredibly low fertility rates.

[Cristiano viejo]

They're a poor nation that needs time to develop and become more education oriented. And most countries on the PISA list are developed, which is unfair for all the developing countries participating.

That is a sad excuse. In that list there are countries like Lebanon, Jordan, Khazajistan or Trinidad and Tobago (Trinidad and Tobago for God sake!).

[Black Panther]

That is a sad excuse. In that list there are countries like Lebanon, Jordan, Khazajistan or Trinidad and Tobago (Trinidad and Tobago for God sake!).

Most countries are developed on the PISA list. About 70%, I'd guess. Only 20~25% of the world's nations are developed.

[Cristiano viejo]

Most countries are developed on the PISA list. About 70%, I'd guess. Only 20~25% of the world's nations are developed.

Nice. Whats your point?

[Albobalboa]

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/58471001ba6eb6d3008b7bf9-1200

Reads like a GDP per capita list. Quite impressed with Albania, I see potential there. Kosovo needs to import Tosks asap.

Why can't Serbia be found on the list? Bosnia?

[Black Panther]

Nice. Whats your point?

You can't call a nation handicapped when they are being compared to the best countries in the world in terms of economic output and education. PISA should be made in all or at least most countries in the world for us to have a better picture of how bad or good a country is doing.

[Cristiano viejo]

You can't call a nation handicapped when they are being compared to the best countries in the world in terms of economic output and education. PISA should be made in all or at least most countries in the world for us to have a better picture of how bad or good a country is doing.

First, yes, I can. Precisely because they are not developed, belonging to Europe.
Second, in that list there are also undeveloped countries, more even than Kosovo (I guess, because we are talking about countries like Trinidad and Tobago), so if you want just compare it with them.

[Antimage]

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Reads like a GDP per capita list.
Not really.
China, Gulf Arab countries, USA, Vietnam etc.

[Antimage]

They're a poor nation that needs time to develop and become more education oriented. And most countries on the PISA list are developed, which is unfair for all the developing countries participating.

Kosovo and Albania have higher gdp/capita than Vietnam but Vietnam has much better scores.

[Albobalboa]

Not really.
China, Gulf Arab countries, USA, Vietnam etc.

You are of genius.

[Black Panther]

Kosovo and Albania have higher gdp/capita than Vietnam but Vietnam has much better scores.

Their education system is nearly militaristic and they have an East Asian (semi) Sinic culture. They put a lot of emphasis on education.

[Petros Houhoulis]

History isn't over yet.

Most innovations in the future will come from Asia.

You mean China, Japan and Korea, I assume.

[Finnish Swede]

It's not all over yet...Finland :love0031:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/expats-say-these-countries-have-the-best-education-systems?utm_content=buffer671d4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[brennus dux gallorum]

Again the same trends continued....European students (age of 15 years old) are leaving more and more from the speed of others.

This time only Estonians and Finns (= Finnics) were able to get in top 8. Now students collaborative and problem solving skills were tested.

http://www.oecd.org/pisa/

Scores:

•561 Singapore
•552 Japan
•541 Hongkong
•538 Korea
•535 Canada
•535 Estonia
•534 Finland
•534 Macao
•533 New-Zealand
•531 Australia

(Finland...which has earlier been many times among of top 3 countries in PISA results => Finns girls still scored very well this time 559...only 2 points behind of Singapore (inside of variations), but Finns boys were already clearly much behind. No other country among of top 8 had as big gap between genders.)


Overall something to think about as this really looks worse and worse everytime for Europeans.
So, with the exception of New-Zealand and Australia, no country in the list is speaking a European language :(

[Finnish Swede]

So, with the exception of New-Zealand and Australia, no country in the list is speaking a European language :(

Canada as well?

But anyway...yes; and that should worry people here (expecially those who keeps R1 men someway transcendents to others and closes their eyes what is happening in the world).

Past is past. And between different ethnics...the opportunities have variated much more in history than they do today (=> present moment gives better picture of potential of different ethnics).

If Europe wants to be/stay ''successful'' in the future...we should shine on here too.

[Fractal]

http://picsmine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Cookie-Memes-here-is-a-coolie-for-your-accomplishment.jpg

https://cdn.howmuch.net/content/images/1600/the-usa-of-innovation-7ff2.jpg?link=mktw

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[Finnish Swede]

http://picsmine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Cookie-Memes-here-is-a-coolie-for-your-accomplishment.jpg

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Numbers of patents won't tell all. Some countries will patent ''all/everything'' (some not so much...sometimes just trying to keep it secret/silence ...if not believing that any patents could cover it enough). Then you patent something, everyone will know about it (as those are public documents). Some countries will not care/respect much about ''western patents''....
There are also lots of patents which have showed to be useless (= ''worthless'').
Plus countries populations are good to keep in minds then looking lists like that.
And last...if we would want to look the present situation bit better (and not mix it to the past) we should look only the patents made by last...let me say...5years period?

[Peterski]

Estonians are wannabe Finns.

:picard1:

Estonians are Baltic Finns too, together with Finns, Karelians, Livonians, Ingrians, Vepsians, Livs, Votes and Izhorians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Finns

And when Finns were settling Finland a few thousand or several hundred years ago, they actually came from Estonia.

Just because Finland is the only country with the word "Fin" in its name doesn't mean that they are the only Finns out there.

Just like Germany is the only country with the word "German" in its name, but they are not the only Germanic nation.

[Finnish Swede]

:picard1:

Estonians are Baltic Finns too, together with Finns, Karelians, Livonians, Ingrians, Vepsians, Livs, Votes and Izhorians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Finns

And when Finns were settling Finland a few thousand or several hundred years ago, they actually came from Estonia.


Quite right. Probable only the hardest ones (and most lunatics ones) decided to still continue north from Estonia :).