Ashkenazi Ancient Affinity Interpretation

[Hamlet]

What can be drawn from these results? (courtesy of Litvin, here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?227660-Litvin-s-Ancient-Affinity-Maps))

https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col2%3E%3E2+from+1OHjp900UiGuWkz n01_n21xY07mSPPO1VdHMYGcAL&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=54.55966872134356&lng=47.72068749999994&t=1&z=3&l=col2%3E%3E2&y=2&tmplt=2&hml=KML

BA-Greece-3kya
0.7012574537
Anatolia-5kya-6kya
0.6942092125
Levant-Egypt-BA-IA
0.6888822031
MN-Vinca-7kya
0.6801542716
Ancient-Iran
0.5421554788
Central-Med-4kya-5kya
0.5417674882
Iberia-5kya-3kya
0.4079689998
Armenia-3kya-4kya
0.3536324897
BA-Hungary-4kya
0.3483637108
South-Germany-3kya
0.3457751237
LBA-Hungary-3kya
0.3297461504
NW-Celtic-Iron-Age
0.2333714267
Central-Germany-3kya
0.1326237559
BB-Central-Euro-4kya
0.1305809036
BA-Unetice-4kya
0.0944257013
BA-Ireland-4kya
0.069245773
Tollense-3kya-Western
0.0534012648
IA-Hungary-IR1
0.035068629
Tollense-3kya-Eastern
0.0281560388
NW-Germanic-LBA-EMA
0.0263149403
IA-Wielbark-Eastern
0.0196807064
CWC-Germany-4kya
-0.0141924407
IA-Wielbark-Western
-0.0648427377
Tollense-3kya-Baltic
-0.1036265443
EMA-Early-Slavic
-0.1044604309
EBA-West-Poland-4kya
-0.1238571857
NE-Euro-HG-5kya-7kya
-0.1437541005
Baltic-RISE598-3kya
-0.1632537503
Iron-Age-LBA-Steppe
-0.2175113727
HG-MOS5-Devil's-Gate
-0.2259592245

[Hamlet]

Apart from having broadly Levantine ancestry, it seems Ashkenazim also possess ancestry related to Hallstatt Celts and Illyrians - what could be the cause of this?

Also, despite having affinity to the Central European Celts, Ashkenazim seem to have little affinity to both the Unetice and Central European BB cultures - which makes no sense as what else could be the precursor to the IA Celts?

[Cristiano viejo]

embrace your Spanish side, Hamlet, prince of Denmark.

[Hamlet]

embrace your Spanish side, Hamlet, prince of Denmark.

You mean Spain should embrace its Middle Eastern origin as EEF right?

[Cristiano viejo]

You mean Spain should embrace its Middle Eastern origin as EEF right?

These are your results, boy :dizzy:

[Hamlet]

These are your results, boy :dizzy:

Affinity to a population doesn't mean you descend from it! My affinity to Megalithic Iberia is likely due to the Middle Eastern origin of Megaliths (which is a fact)

[Cristiano viejo]

Affinity to a population doesn't mean you descend from it! My affinity to Megalithic Iberia is likely due to the Middle Eastern origin of Megaliths (which is a fact)

Then embrace your affinity to Megalithic Spain :p

[Hamlet]

Then embrace your affinity to Megalithic Spain :p

Lol not to do with Spain though, just the Megalithic people

[Cristiano viejo]

Lol not to do with Spain though, just the Megalithic people

That is boring then.

[Hamlet]

Does anybody else have a clue why this is? Wth do Ashkenazim have to do with Hallstatt Celts???

[Cristiano viejo]

Does anybody else have a clue why this is? Wth do Ashkenazim have to do with Hallstatt Celts???

Baruch Spinoza would say cuz Celtiberians, probably :D

[Hamlet]

Baruch Spinoza would say cuz Celtiberians, probably :D

For Ashkenazim? :P

[Token]

Does anybody else have a clue why this is? Wth do Ashkenazim have to do with Hallstatt Celts???

Nothing. The small affinity to Celts, Bell Beakers and Unetice that you have comes from the European side of your ancestry.

[Hamlet]

Nothing. The small affinity to Celts, Bell Beakers and Unetice that you have comes from the European side of your ancestry.

Where does that come from though?

And why do I have only about 10% to Unetice/BB but about 1/3 of my makeup is IA Celt-like? Aren't the IA Celts meant to descend from the Unetice culture (and if not that, BB?)

[Token]

Where does that come from though?
Comes from the Steppe component of your European side shared by all of these groups.


And why do I have only about 10% to Unetice/BB but about 1/3 of my makeup is IA Celt-like?
I don't have the data of this Celt sample so i can't explain that, maybe it has less Steppe ancestry and more ENF-affinity.

[Hamlet]

Nothing. The small affinity to Celts, Bell Beakers and Unetice that you have comes from the European side of your ancestry.

firemonkey is a good British reference point (all ancestors from British Isles), and he has high levels of Unetice, BB, NW Celtic, NW Germanic etc. - yet much lower amounts of Hallstatt ancestry.

Does this mean Hallstatt picked up admixture the rest of the R1b guys didn't? Could that picked up admixture be why I have affinity to them but not their R1b relatives?

[RN97]

You mean Spain should embrace its Middle Eastern origin as EEF right?

EEF isn't middle eastern. It's Sardinian-like. Your ancestry is mostly middle eastern.

[Hamlet]

Comes from the Steppe component of your European side shared by all of these groups.


I don't have the data of this Celt sample so i can't explain that, maybe it has less Steppe ancestry and more ENF-affinity.

Yeah thats what I think - according to Eupedia all Western Euro R1b is descended from Unetice, yet I have very little of it (which would almost all have been picked up from conversion/rape in Europe)

Yet, how does that explain why Ashkenazim are as pale/red-haired as they are?

[Hamlet]

EEF isn't middle eastern. It's Sardinian-like. Your ancestry is mostly middle eastern.

I know but EEF was originally Middle Eastern (as in, not compared to todays Middle East, but the farmers came from the Middle East)

[Hamlet]

https://i.imgur.com/cvpjX4G.png

Extra info

[RN97]

I know but EEF was originally Middle Eastern (as in, not compared to todays Middle East, but the farmers came from the Middle East)

You're confusing terms. EEF (Early European farmer) was a Sardinian-like people inhabiting primarily southern Europe and migrated to other places in Europe. You're thinking about early neolithic farmers(or called something like that) which were the ones that came from asia minor and the fertile crescent.

[Hamlet]

You're confusing terms. EEF (Early European farmer) was a Sardinian-like people inhabiting primarily southern Europe and migrated to other places in Europe. You're thinking about early neolithic farmers(or called something like that) which were the ones that came from asia minor and the fertile crescent.

Oh maybe you're right, are they not the same/one descended from the other?

[Hamlet]

To try and identify variables, does anybody know why I have virtually no affinity to the Irish BA but about 20% to the British IA?

[RN97]

Oh maybe you're right, are they not the same/one descended from the other?

Retarded name use, but EEF= around 50-60% WHG + 40-50% middle eastern-like farmer. Otzi the iceman was a EEF pretty sure.

[Cristiano viejo]

For Ashkenazim? :P
yes.

[kingjohn]

hamlet can you post your full eurogenes k36 ?
if you score north atlantic or north sea this could be it