Classify Russians from Kuznetsk

[helg]

looking through the profiles of people from Kuznetsk (Penza oblast) in the social network, I noticed that many of them have brown hair and blue / gray eyes. Coon pointed out that in these places the descendants of the ancient Iranians live. What are the phenotypes of people in these photos?

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https://pp.userapi.com/c840736/v840736444/21026/XVgzLABZmPQ.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638317/v638317136/44fac/qM-RNTRUEk8.jpg
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https://pp.userapi.com/c837126/v837126707/1b927/3eM-MhlvTrs.jpg
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[Vlatko Vukovic]

Almost all North Pontids.

[Odin]

Mainly Pontids, North Pontids and few Gorids.

[Hamlet]

Mainly North Pontids - some are stunning, to me

[Hamlet]

Does anybody have GEDmatch IDs of people from that region?

[Hamlet]

It's the type which I think the Ancient Greeks idolised

http://i.imgur.com/a9Kg8NQ.png

[Hamlet]

The original Iranians (i.e., Aryans) would have been comprised mostly of Corded Nordids and Pontids. Over time, that blend creates what they are now - North Pontid. That level of continuity is impressive.

[helg]

Does anybody have GEDmatch IDs of people from that region?

Carleton Stevens Coon:

"The Great Russians of a special area lying partly in the Tambov, Penza, and Saratov Governments, who form a mesocephalic nucleus in the country half way between Moscow and the mouth of the Volga, have been subjected to a detailed study, which shows them to be essentially Nordic. A mean stature of 169 cm., a cephalic index just under 79, and a head length of 192 mm., indicate an initial resemblance to Nordics or brunet Mediterraneans.

Half of these Great Russians have wavy hair, the other half straight; the head hair is dark brown (Fischer #4-5) in 30 per cent of the series studied, and almost never black; it is medium brown (Fischer #6-10) in about 50 per cent, and light brown in most of the rest. Rufosity is rare, but at the same time most of the blondism falls on the golden side. About 8 per cent have brown eyes, nearly 30 per cent light, and the rest mixed. Thus these tall, mesocephalic Great Russians are brown to dark brown-haired, and essentially mixed to light eyed. Their facial features conform in most cases to a Nordic standard; the nasal profile is straight or wavy in over 65 per cent of the group, convex in 25 per cent, and concave in the 10 per cent that is left.

Individually as well as collectively, most of these men look Nordic in either a complete or a partial sense. The facial dimensions, with their accent on the heaviness of the mandible, diverge from a western European Nordic standard, but conform to that of the eastern Nordic type found skeletally among Scythians and in the Minussinsk kurgans. The high vault, and the prevalence of brown hair in combination with light eyes, suggests a major survival of the Corded element so lacking elsewhere in most of eastern Europe."
https://pp.userapi.com/c841632/v841632597/4038b/2mrIAwc1GW8.jpg

[Hamlet]

Carleton Stevens Coon:

"The Great Russians of a special area lying partly in the Tambov, Penza, and Saratov Governments, who form a mesocephalic nucleus in the country half way between Moscow and the mouth of the Volga, have been subjected to a detailed study, which shows them to be essentially Nordic. A mean stature of 169 cm., a cephalic index just under 79, and a head length of 192 mm., indicate an initial resemblance to Nordics or brunet Mediterraneans.

Half of these Great Russians have wavy hair, the other half straight; the head hair is dark brown (Fischer #4-5) in 30 per cent of the series studied, and almost never black; it is medium brown (Fischer #6-10) in about 50 per cent, and light brown in most of the rest. Rufosity is rare, but at the same time most of the blondism falls on the golden side. About 8 per cent have brown eyes, nearly 30 per cent light, and the rest mixed. Thus these tall, mesocephalic Great Russians are brown to dark brown-haired, and essentially mixed to light eyed. Their facial features conform in most cases to a Nordic standard; the nasal profile is straight or wavy in over 65 per cent of the group, convex in 25 per cent, and concave in the 10 per cent that is left.

Individually as well as collectively, most of these men look Nordic in either a complete or a partial sense. The facial dimensions, with their accent on the heaviness of the mandible, diverge from a western European Nordic standard, but conform to that of the eastern Nordic type found skeletally among Scythians and in the Minussinsk kurgans. The high vault, and the prevalence of brown hair in combination with light eyes, suggests a major survival of the Corded element so lacking elsewhere in most of eastern Europe."
https://pp.userapi.com/c841632/v841632597/4038b/2mrIAwc1GW8.jpg

Seems like they're a special people then

[olegbeard]

In all actuality, these people bear more resemblance to Ukrainians than Russians. Usually Russians look a tad different.

[helg]

del

[helg]

In all actuality, these people bear more resemblance to Ukrainians than Russians. Usually Russians look a tad different.

between Russians and Ukrainians little difference. I tell you this, as a person who lives on the border with Ukraine. We have the same phenotypes more often.

[greasycaveman]

pontids mainly. i think north pontids look different.

[helg]

pontids mainly. i think north pontids look different.

it seems that pontids do not have such bright eyes

[greasycaveman]

it seems that pontids do not have such bright eyes

not true, since many russians who are pontid, can have light or dark eyes. Even north pontid can have dark eyes. pontids from balkans have the higher rate of dark eyes, pontids in russia, not so much. I don't see north pontid in their face. But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[helg]

not true, since many russians who are pontid, can have light or dark eyes. Even north pontid can have dark eyes. pontids from balkans have the higher rate of dark eyes, pontids in russia, not so much. I don't see north pontid in their face. But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Yeah, i think you're wrong
https://via-midgard.com/uploads/posts/2014-12/1417405461_humanphenotypes29.png

[greasycaveman]

Yeah, i think you're wrong
https://via-midgard.com/uploads/posts/2014-12/1417405461_humanphenotypes29.png

Lmao like i just said it varies in pigment, look up pontid Russians, there isnt one that will look like that morph.

[Hamlet]

Lmao like i just said it varies in pigment, look up pontid Russians, there isnt one that will look like that morph.

You are wrong mate, soz

[Decius]

Aryans

[Decius]

It's the type which I think the Ancient Greeks idolised

http://i.imgur.com/a9Kg8NQ.png

Do you think I could be part N Pontid