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Kazimiera
11-29-2017, 10:27 PM
Europe's first advanced civilisations originated from TURKEY: Early Greeks were descendants of early Neolithic farmers who migrated from Anatolia, DNA reveals

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4750460/Ancient-DNA-analysis-reveals-Minoan-Mycenaean-origins.html

Experts analysed tooth DNA from the remains of 19 ancient individuals
They were identified as Minoans, Mycenaeans and people from Anatolia
The results showed that Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically linked
Their shared ancestors are believed to have been Early Neolithic farmers
They migrated from Anatolia thousands of years before the Bronze Age

DNA analysis has revealed that two ancient civilisations in Greece were related and shared common ancestors that travelled from modern day Turkey.

Scientists believe that the Minoans and Mycenaens were descended from early Neolithic farmers who migrated from Anatolia to Greece and Crete.

Modern Greeks, in turn, are largely descendants of the Mycenaeans, the study found.

The finding could end more than a century of speculation about the origins of the two cultures, which many believed had separate roots.

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Many believed the Minoans (striped) and Mycenaen (red) cultures had separate roots. But DNA analysis shows they shared 'first farmer' roots from travellers from Anaolia, in modern day Turkey

An international team of researchers undertook the first genome-wide DNA sequence data on the Bronze Age inhabitants of mainland Greece, Crete, and southwestern Anatolia.

Experts from the University of Washington, the Harvard Medical School and the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History, together with archaeologists and other collaborators in Greece and Turkey, gathered data from the region.

The researchers analysed tooth DNA from the remains of 19 ancient individuals who could be definitively identified as Minoans of Crete, Mycenaeans of mainland Greece, and people who lived in southwestern Anatolia.

They compared the Minoan and Mycenaean genomes to each other and to more than 330 other ancient genomes and over 2,600 genomes of present-day humans from around the world.

The results showed that Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically highly similar, but not identical.

The early Neolithic farmers they descended from likely migrated thousands of years prior to the Bronze Age from Anatolia.

While both Minoans and Mycenaeans had both 'first farmer' and 'eastern' genetic origins, Mycenaeans traced an additional minor component of their ancestry to ancient inhabitants of Eastern Europe and northern Eurasia.

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An analysis of ancient DNA has revealed that two ancient civilisations in Greece, the Minoans and Mycenaens, were genetically descended from early Neolithic farmers from Turkey. This image shows a woman dancing in a Minoans fresco fragment that dates from 1600 to 1450 BC

This type of Ancient North Eurasian ancestry is one of the three ancestral populations of present-day Europeans and is also found in modern Greeks.

George Stamatoyannopoulos, professor of genome sciences and of medicine at the University of Washington School of Medicine and the study's senior author, said: 'For over 100 years, many hotly contested theories have circulated concerning the origin of the inhabitants of Bronze Age, Classical, and modern Greece.

'This including the so-called 'Coming of the Greeks' in the late second millennium and the 'Black Athena' hypothesis of the Afroasiatic origins of Classical Greek civilisation.

'The notorious theory of the 19th century German historian Fallmerayer popularised the belief that the descendants of the ancient Greeks had vanished in early Medieval times.

The discovery of the Minoan and Mycenaean civilisations on the island of Crete and on mainland Greece in the late 1800s gave birth to modern archaeology and opened a direct window into the European Bronze Age.

This period of history had previously been glimpsed only though Homer's epics, the Iliad and Odyssey.

The origins of the Minoan and Mycenaean peoples, however, have puzzled archaeologists for over 100 years.

It was widely believed that they derived from different ancestral populations.

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Their common ancestors, farmers, migrated from Anatolia to Greece and Crete thousands of years prior to the Bronze Age. This image shows the Bull-Leaping Fresco from the Great Palace at Knossos, Crete, from the late Minoan civilisation

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The Mycenaean civilisation developed in mainland Greece in the second millennium AD. It shared many cultural features with the Minoans. They used the Linear B script, an early form of Greek (pictured)

The cultural innovations of the Minoans, including the first European writing system, vast palace complexes, and vibrant art, seeming to spring up in isolation on Crete, have led to speculation that they moved to the area from a more advanced society in another location.

While the new study does not resolve all the outstanding questions, it provides key answers.

Importantly, the findings disprove the widely held theory that the Mycenaeans were a foreign population in the Aegean and were not related to the Minoans.

The results also dispel the theory that modern Greeks did not descend from the Mycenaeans and later ancient Greek populations.

It shows that there was genetic continuity in the Aegean from the time of the first farmers to present-day Greece, but not in isolation.

The peoples of the Greek mainland also bred with ancient North Eurasians and peoples of the Eastern European steppe, both before and after the time of the Minoans and Mycenaeans.

This may provide the missing link between Greek speakers and their linguistic relatives elsewhere in Europe and Asia.

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This image shows a clay tablet, dated to 1450 to 1375 BC, inscribed with Linear B script of the Mycenaen civilization, 1600 to 1100 BC

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Because Linear A (pictured) and the hieroglyphic scripts used on Crete by the Minoans were never deciphered, the origins of the language they represent are not clear but it is thought to be distinct from early Greek

The study underscores the power of analysis of ancient DNA to solve vexing historical problems and sets the stage for many future studies that promise to untangle the threads of history, archaeology, and language, its authors say.

Study lead author Doctor Iosif Lazaridis, of Harvard Medical School, said: 'It is remarkable how persistent the ancestry of the first European farmers is in Greece and other parts of southern Europe, but this does not mean that the populations there were completely isolated.

'There were at least two additional migrations in the Aegean before the time of the Minoans and Mycenaeans and some additional admixture later.

'The Greeks have always been a 'work in progress' in which layers of migration through the ages added to, but did not erase the genetic heritage of the Bronze Age populations.'

He added: 'Minoans, Mycenaeans, and modern Greeks also had some ancestry related to the ancient people of the Caucasus, Armenia, and Iran.

'This finding suggests that some migration occurred in the Aegean and southwestern Anatolia from further east after the time of the earliest farmers.'

The full findings of the study were published in the journal Nature.

Gangrel
11-29-2017, 10:30 PM
Europe's first advanced civilisations originated from TURKEY: Early Greeks were descendants of early Neolithic farmers who migrated from Anatolia, DNA reveals

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Kouros
11-29-2017, 10:33 PM
I await Kipchak Håkan, who is an expert on this subject.

Marmara
11-29-2017, 10:38 PM
This is not surprising at all. Anatolian neolithic farmers expanded deep in Europe. It's not clear if they were Indo-Europeans though. Greek language probably comes from north and not from Anatolia.

First written Indo-European language, also the first in Anatolia was Hittite. They were indo-european but their predecessors (Hatti) were not indo-europeans. We know this from Hittite sources.

Babak
11-29-2017, 10:43 PM
Probably why this exists

http://slideplayer.com/slide/3915691/13/images/15/Anatolian+Hearth+Theory+of+Indo-European+Origin.jpg

Kouros
11-29-2017, 10:43 PM
This is not surprising at all. Anatolian neolithic farmers expanded deep in Europe. It's not clear if they were Indo-Europeans though. Greek language probably comes from north and not from Anatolia.

First written Indo-European language, also the first in Anatolia was Hittite. They were indo-european but their predecessors (Hatti) were not indo-europeans. We know this from Hittite sources.

Minoan language could have been indo-European, possibly even proto-Greek. This would satisfy the hypothesis for a Greco-Armenian or Greco-Armeno-Aryan linguistic split. The Minoan syllabic script linear A is undeciphered so we'll never know until then.

Marmara
11-29-2017, 10:53 PM
Minoan language could have been indo-European, possibly even proto-Greek. This would satisfy the hypothesis for a Greco-Armenian or Greco-Armeno-Aryan linguistic split. The Minoan syllabic script linear A is undeciphered so we'll never know until then.

What about Anatolian language family? What is it closest to? Greek, Armenian or Indo-Aryan? I don't know about this.

Massagetae
11-29-2017, 10:56 PM
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Profileid
11-29-2017, 11:09 PM
Why are modern day Turkshits taking pride in this? I thought they were still pretending to be Mongolian.
Make up your minds sandniggers.

Kouros
11-29-2017, 11:13 PM
What about Anatolian language family? What is it closest to? Greek, Armenian or Indo-Aryan? I don't know about this.

Hittite is part of the Anatolian category along with Luwian, Phyrgian, Lycian etc. and are said to all have emerged from proto-Anatolian. Other than that I know nothing, not really that educated in linguistics. Linguists use Sanskrit as the benchmark for 'Proto-Indo-European'. Lithuanian and ancient Greek are the closest languages apparently. Hellenic is treated separate from other paleo-balkan languages. Some claim the predecessor as 'Greco-Armenian' and others 'Greco-Phyrgian' but nothing is for sure. I think both theories would suggest that proto-Greeks invaded through Anatolia rather than the balkans. I believe Dorians/Macedonians on the other hand we're some paleo-balkanic offshoot who inhabited Macedonia/Thessaly until their invasion in the Peloponnese. Macedonian region of Greece was not properly considered 'Hellenic' until Alexander's reign iirc (if you look at the map Kazimiera posted, even the borders for the Mycenaean civilization are no where near those of classical Greece), so when historians refer to 'invaders from the north' I don't think we need to look past Mount Olympus. And this makes sense because the Spartans claimed to have descended from Macedonians.

Pennywise
11-29-2017, 11:31 PM
Fuck yeah!!! Civilized Farmer stronk or nah?

Dick
11-29-2017, 11:36 PM
Probably why this exists

http://slideplayer.com/slide/3915691/13/images/15/Anatolian+Hearth+Theory+of+Indo-European+Origin.jpg

Move over R1ethel, here come the Indo-E1uropeans.

Marmara
11-29-2017, 11:37 PM
Hittite is part of the Anatolian category along with Luwian, Phyrgian, Lycian etc. and are said to all have emerged from proto-Anatolian. Other than that I know nothing, not really that educated in linguistics. Linguists use Sanskrit as the benchmark for 'Proto-Indo-European'. Lithuanian and ancient Greek are the closest languages apparently. Hellenic is treated separate from other paleo-balkan languages. Some claim the predecessor as 'Greco-Armenian' and others 'Greco-Phyrgian' but nothing is for sure. I think both theories would suggest that proto-Greeks invaded through Anatolia rather than the balkans. I believe Dorians/Macedonians on the other hand we're some paleo-balkanic offshoot who inhabited Macedonia/Thessaly until their invasion in the Peloponnese. Macedonian region of Greece was not properly considered 'Hellenic' until Alexander's reign iirc (if you look at the map Kazimiera posted, even the borders for the Mycenaean civilization are no where near those of classical Greece), so when historians refer to 'invaders from the north' I don't think we need to look past Mount Olympus. And this makes sense because the Spartans claimed to have descended from Macedonians.

Linguistics sure use Sanskrit as the benchmark for proto-indo-european. I just stated that Hittite was the oldest recorded Indo-European language.

Kouros
11-29-2017, 11:48 PM
Linguistics sure use Sanskrit as the benchmark for proto-indo-european. I just stated that Hittite was the oldest recorded Indo-European language.

Is it? I don't know. I've wrote all I can possibly write tho. Thanks.

Mingle
11-30-2017, 12:01 AM
Hittite is part of the Anatolian category along with Luwian, Phyrgian, Lycian etc. and are said to all have emerged from proto-Anatolian.

Phrygian, and possibly Mysian, are not Anatolian languages.

Kouros
11-30-2017, 12:53 AM
Phrygian, and possibly Mysian, are not Anatolian languages.

Oh my bad, I just checked. It is still IE though.

wvwvw
12-01-2017, 09:21 PM
It is extremely ludicrous and inappropriate to use the name Turkey in the title. By doing so they are not referring to a historical region or geographical boundaries but to a modern political entity called Turkey.

All these ahistorical morons should learn to use the accepted historic name and not the name of a country which was created through the genocide of millions.

There was no such place as Turkey in 2000 BC or at any time until it was
created 1923. The Turks did not set for in Asia-Minor until 1200 AD. Asia-Minor was regarded as part of Greece and the Turks who gave their name to Turkey, were living in Mongolia. It's culture cities and everything about it was Greek until the Turks perpetuated a mass genocide against its indigenous Greek population. Asia Minor, an area= where for 3000+ years Greek civilization flourished.

Modern Turkey is not even based on any ancient bounderies since half of Modern Turkey was part of Assyria.
It was created through
 the deliberate mass genocide of the indigenous peoples of other empires and
 the annexation of their land. At the time in question the land was called Asia-Minor.

So the correct title should be Europe's first civilization originated from GREECE since Greeks were indigenous to Greece and Asia Minor since pre-historic times as the archeological artifacts show a Greek present there from neolithic and minoan times.