Have i found possible proof of Turkic Ancestry?

[Congolese Rice]

Ok so, i've spend the last hour researching my ancestry again on Gedmatch, and since i've gotten a very good amount of Middle eastern and asian results i decided to look more into the Turkish side since i saw alot of results out of Turkey like " Turkish_Istanbul" "Turkish_Aydin" etc, and guess what i found. I probably have good amount of proof of Turkic ancestry i'll let you check it rn.

Amount of times i have spotted Turkic/Tatar/Gagauz/Chuvash heritage in Gedmatch Admixture.
*=================*

Eurasia K9 ASI: 4 Tatars @ 29.229963


Gedrosia K3: 17 Balkar @ 30.383986, 14 Turkish @ 28.869286


Gedrosia K12: 4 Turks_Istanbul @ 40.063404, 6 Turkmen_Afghan @ 41.302082, 7 Uzbek @ 41.723534,
8 Turks_Aydin @ 41.983360, 9 Turks_Balikesir @ 43.600075, 17 Turks_Adana @ 47.037777


Ancient Eurasia K6: 17 Kumyk + Libyan + Masai + SHG @ 0.781313



Near East Neolithic K13: 20 Turkish_Istanbul @ 33.454369
*=================*


PuntDNAL K10 Ancient: 13 Mordovian @ 31.693100 could mean mordvin or something


PuntDNAL K13 Modern: 3 Moldavian @ 28.535376, 11 Montenegrin @ 30.706724
15 Tatar @ 31.078302
*=================*


HarappaWorld: 19 chuvash_behar @ 36.034225
20 mordovian_yunusbayev @ 36.170647
*=================*



Dodecad World9: 7 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 31.541611,

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dominican +50% Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 6.066190



Dodecad K7b: 10 Bantu_S.E._Pedi_HGDP + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Mordovians_Yunusbayev +
Portuguese_Dodecad @ 2.273334



Dodecad K12b: 20 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 36.175613,
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Dodecad +25% Mordovians_Yunusbayev +25% Yoruba_HGDP @ 3.256445
*=================*

MDLP K16 Modern: 13 Kryashen_Bashkortostan @ 27.6, 18 Russian_Kostroma @ 28.233456
17 Esan_Nigeria + Gagauz_Gagauzia + Icelandic_Iceland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 3.204849
2 Russian_CentralRussia + Esan_Nigeria + Gagauz_Gagauzia + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 3.020314



MDLP K23b: 8 Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 27.04, 19 Tatar-Kazan_ @ 28.041399,
11 Dogon_ + Italian_North_ + Orcadian_ + Russian_Meshtchyora_ @ 2.535528



MDLP World-22: 8 Gagauz_derived @ 30.6, 11 Tatar_derived @ 31.583218,
16 Tatar_Lithuania_derived @ 32.499420, 18 Tatar_Kryashen_derived @ 32.708664



MDLP World: 8 Gagauz @ 28.734295, 17 Tatar_Kryashen @ 30.099062


Total amount of Turkic Results: 34

Total amount of tests: 15


This is INSANE, i literally never looked for Tatar or Gagauz ancestry because i basically never cared i was only focussed on Italian and Middle eastern, but now this changes things. Do y'all think this is good amount of proof for having Turkic heritage or is there more that needs to be done? comment down below pls because i don't know what 2 think of this exactly yet.

[Hadouken]

I dont think so

[Congolese Rice]

I dont think so

Do you happen to know either way how to figure out if you have turkic heritage or not? Because also AncestryDNA told me i had central asian and middle eastern ancestry. I've also gotten myself tested at Myheritage by uploading my Raw DNA and it just said i had 6.1% middle eastern, idk all this stuff is still very confusing and idk what 2 take seriously and what not haha

[Thracian]

Maybe this tool can give you an idea,

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

You should run Eurogenes K36 and write your results. You will get a similarity map. I hope this helps.

[Hadouken]

Maybe this tool can give you an idea,

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

You should run Eurogenes K36 and write your results. You will get a similarity map. I hope this helps.

no it is useless for what he is searching for

if you dont know if you have any "turkic" ancestry the only way to be at least somewhat sure that you do regarding gedmatch is to look if you have any east eurasian (siberian + east asian + amerindian + southeast asian) score above noise level and some population approximiation that shows a shift towards turkic speaking people

but that is almost impossible in my opinion when you are very mixed like OP is

it is easier for people like me . I am a Kurdish person from Turkey and I score higher than average mongoloid/east eurasian and have a shift towards anatolian turks a little and get Azeri as first population match on many calculators so I am assuming that a little (in my case like roughly 1/3) of my ancestry is from anatolian turks

but OP is mixed of many different ethnicities so it will be hard to make a picture out of this . it is a bit chaotic

the K36 (which I find to be a bad calculator) similarity map just shows in what percentage you and the country you chose to compare yourself to score the same components in similar amounts but it doesnt give you much of a clue of ethnic closeness . for example a Georgian will get a score of maybe 30 or whatever for Turkmenistan on the map because of the shared CHG (and likely a few other) component but he has nothing to do with turkmens

[Thracian]

no it is useless for what he is searching for

if you dont know if you have any "turkic" ancestry the only way to be at least somewhat sure that you do regarding gedmatch is to look if you have any east eurasian (siberian + east asian + amerindian + southeast asian) score above noise level and some population approximiation that shows a shift towards turkic speaking people

but that is almost impossible in my opinion when you are very mixed like OP is

it is easier for people like me . I am a Kurdish person from Turkey and I score higher than average mongoloid/east eurasian and have a shift towards anatolian turks a little and get Azeri as first population match on many calculators so I am assuming that a little (in my case like roughly 1/3) of my ancestry is from anatolian turks

but OP is mixed of many different ethnicities so it will be hard to make a picture out of this . it is a bit chaotic

the K36 (which I find to be a bad calculator) similarity map just shows in what percentage you and the country you chose to compare yourself to score the same components in similar amounts but it doesnt give you much of a clue of ethnic closeness . for example a Georgian will get a score of maybe 30 or whatever for Turkmenistan on the map because of the shared CHG (and likely a few other) component but he has nothing to do with turkmens

Gotcha! I thought he was a Yemeni and some historical reasons he thinks he has some Turkish ancestry. However, he is more mixed than I thought.

Indeed! However, as you know there some common gene pools. That's why a Georgian and a Turkmen share some common components such as Caucasian. That doesn't mean they are similar but a Georgian has more common ancestry with an Armenian. So, this guy will get higher similarity percentage with an Armenian.That map was useful for me. I am very new for this things. Which Gedmatch admixture calculator is good?

[Hadouken]

Gotcha! I thought he was a Yemeni and some historical reasons he thinks he has some Turkish ancestry. However, he is more mixed than I thought.

Indeed! However, as you know there some common gene pools. That's why a Georgian and a Turkmen share some common components such as Caucasian. That doesn't mean they are similar but a Georgian has more common ancestry with an Armenian. So, this guy will get higher similarity percentage with an Armenian.That map was useful for me. I am very new for this things. Which Gedmatch admixture calculator is good?

I am not an expert or anything but from my own interpretations I find that on gedmatch the best calculators are eurogenes k13 , puntdnal k13 global , puntdnal k15 , eurasia k9 ASI , and... maybe near east neolithic k13

dodecad calcs are not bad either imo

but the mixed oracle modes on all puntdnal suck imo

[Thracian]

I am not an expert or anything but from my own interpretations I find that on gedmatch the best calculators are eurogenes k13 , puntdnal k13 global , puntdnal k15 , eurasia k9 ASI , and... maybe near east neolithic k13

dodecad calcs are not bad either imo

but the mixed oracle modes on all puntdnal suck imo

Thank you. I will try those calculators as well.

[Congolese Rice]

Gotcha! I thought he was a Yemeni and some historical reasons he thinks he has some Turkish ancestry. However, he is more mixed than I thought.

Indeed! However, as you know there some common gene pools. That's why a Georgian and a Turkmen share some common components such as Caucasian. That doesn't mean they are similar but a Georgian has more common ancestry with an Armenian. So, this guy will get higher similarity percentage with an Armenian.That map was useful for me. I am very new for this things. Which Gedmatch admixture calculator is good?

Yup, i am very, very mixed like im not even joking. On every test i have atleast 1% on every single reference population... It's freaking nuts! However it could also be that my so called " Turkic " ancestry could be overlapping with Georgian or Azerbaijan??? I also got azerbaijan on a test of mine. I'll try to find it and post it hollup..



Ancient Eurasia K6 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

gedrosia K6 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.41
2 Natufian 27.80
3 Sub_Saharan 23.27
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.76
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.43
6 East_Asian 1.33


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moroccan @ 19.829216
2 Algerian @ 20.128599
3 Saharawi @ 23.076269
4 Libyan @ 26.812126
5 GoyetQ116 @ 26.845989
6 Bulgarian @ 27.757812
7 Hungarian @ 27.987680
8 Croatian @ 28.129498
9 Ukrainian @ 28.133993
10 Romanian @ 28.193634
11 Russian @ 28.265444
12 Spanish @ 28.375349
13 Steppe_MLBA @ 28.528473
14 Czech @ 28.753223
15 Scottish @ 28.829615
16 Norwegian @ 28.920019
17 English @ 28.928896
18 French @ 28.982012
19 Finnish @ 29.036514
20 Egyptian @ 29.395739

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Somali @ 6.762833


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese +25% Mota +25% Motala12 @ 1.217615


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian @ 0.000000
2 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.000000
3 BedouinA + Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_ChL @ 0.279306
4 BedouinA + Hadza + Iran_ChL + WHG @ 0.279306
5 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + SHG @ 0.467851
6 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_F @ 0.507335
7 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_F + WHG @ 0.507335
8 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_LN + Jordanian @ 0.539715
9 Hadza + Iran_LN + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.539715
10 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian @ 0.581022
11 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.581022
12 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_C @ 0.644375
13 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_C + WHG @ 0.644375
14 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + Motala12 @ 0.709980
15 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese @ 0.712197
16 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese + WHG @ 0.712197
17 Kumyk + Libyan + Masai + SHG @ 0.781313
18 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian @ 0.782944
19 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.782944
20 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_ChL + Palestinian @ 0.811005

Done.

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this one is also one that shows me having a good amount of ancestry out of the Caucasus. and here



Eurasia K9 ASI 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Eurasia K9 ASI Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 29.34
2 W_African 23.73
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 12.83
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.00
5 SW_Asian 10.99
6 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 9.95
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.36


Finished reading population data. 118 populations found.
9 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 28.575293
2 Bulgarian @ 28.892004
3 Hungarian @ 28.923838
4 Tatars @ 29.229963
5 French @ 29.661369
6 Spanish @ 30.022039
7 Scottish @ 30.152250
8 Ukrainian @ 30.655100
9 English @ 30.797085
10 Czech @ 30.858952
11 Albanian @ 31.292952
12 RISE_baBb @ 31.334000
13 Norwegian @ 31.686451
14 Greek @ 32.301922
15 Tuscan @ 32.335289
16 Russian @ 32.594883
17 Icelandic @ 33.031067
18 French_South @ 33.087711
19 Belarusian @ 33.269363
20 Maltese @ 33.510956

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Icelandic +50% Masai @ 13.956566


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +25% Lebanese +25% Yoruba @ 3.545751


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Azeri + Esan + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 2.793200
2 Azeri + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.793200
3 Azeri + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.793200
4 Esan + Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 2.857446
5 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.857446
6 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.857446
7 Esan + Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin @ 3.071455
8 Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin + Yoruba @ 3.071455
9 Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin + Yoruba @ 3.071455
10 Esan + Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 3.088535
11 Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.088535
12 Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.088535
13 Armenian + Esan + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 3.122958
14 Armenian + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.122958
15 Armenian + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.122958
16 Esan + Georgian_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baUne @ 3.131417
17 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baUne + Yoruba @ 3.131417
18 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baUne + Yoruba @ 3.131417
19 Esan + Georgian_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin @ 3.272715
20 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin + Yoruba @ 3.272715

Done.

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also here's my kit number incase you wanna run some tests for yourself if your really interested lol.

Kit Num: A959077

[Congolese Rice]

I am not an expert or anything but from my own interpretations I find that on gedmatch the best calculators are eurogenes k13 , puntdnal k13 global , puntdnal k15 , eurasia k9 ASI , and... maybe near east neolithic k13

dodecad calcs are not bad either imo

but the mixed oracle modes on all puntdnal suck imo


Also here, i tested myself on PuntDNAL K13 but yeah, idk alot of european tests tell me i have either russian or slavic (croatian, bulgarian, albanian, or eastern mediterranean ancestry lol)

puntDNAL K13 Global 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

puntDNAL K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 35.57
2 West_Africa 23.95
3 SW_Europe 22.56
4 West_Asia 5.68
5 SW_Asia 4.25
6 SE_Asia 1.91
7 South_Africa 1.76
8 Americas 1.72
9 South_Asia 1.55


Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dominican @ 25.509233
2 Puerto_Rican @ 26.872232
3 Moldavian @ 28.535376
4 Slovene @ 29.581152
5 Bosnian @ 29.632000
6 Slovak @ 29.707397
7 Serbian @ 29.792387
8 Croatian @ 29.914762
9 Romanian @ 29.996811
10 Hungarian @ 30.024382
11 Montenegrin @ 30.706724
12 Utahn_European @ 30.953417
13 English @ 31.022839
14 German_South @ 31.063839
15 Tatar @ 31.078302
16 Belgian @ 31.201607
17 Bulgarian @ 31.343496
18 Macedonian @ 31.422127
19 German_North @ 31.526752
20 Ukrainian @ 31.626781

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +50% Fulani @ 7.019713


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% Mende +25% Puerto_Rican @ 3.315076


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 German_North + Latvian + Mende + Puerto_Rican @ 3.066755
2 German_North + Lithuanian + Mende + Puerto_Rican @ 3.105816
3 Lithuanian + Mende + Puerto_Rican + Ukrainian @ 3.153295
4 Estonian + Mende + Puerto_Rican + Ukrainian @ 3.167444
5 Latvian + Mende + Puerto_Rican + Ukrainian @ 3.204257
6 Mende + Polish + Puerto_Rican + Swedish @ 3.207870
7 Mende + Polish + Puerto_Rican + Ukrainian @ 3.211292
8 Estonian + German_North + Mende + Puerto_Rican @ 3.234853
9 Belarusian + Mende + Polish + Puerto_Rican @ 3.237150
10 Latvian + Mende + Puerto_Rican + Slovak @ 3.293792
11 Lithuanian + Mende + Puerto_Rican + Slovak @ 3.312962
12 Belarusian + Belarusian + Mende + Puerto_Rican @ 3.315076
13 Latvian + Mende + Puerto_Rican + Slovene @ 3.333631
14 Mende + Norwegian + Polish + Puerto_Rican @ 3.335741
15 Irish + Latvian + Mende + Puerto_Rican @ 3.346961
16 Latvian + Mende + Norwegian + Puerto_Rican @ 3.351008
17 Latvian + Mende + Puerto_Rican + Utahn_European @ 3.362958
18 English + Latvian + Mende + Puerto_Rican @ 3.372988
19 Esan + German_North + Latvian + Puerto_Rican @ 3.378747
20 Hungarian + Latvian + Mende + Puerto_Rican @ 3.379604

Done.

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