Do Dalmatians have Roman/Italian ancestry?

[MercifulServant]

Do people from Dalmatia have ancient roman ancestry if so is it signifigant and we're would it be most frequent in dalmatia

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[Leto]

Who the hell knows, man...

[Sikeliot]

I don't think so. Most of the Italian population that was there likely returned to Italy. Croatians are genetically close to Slovaks, Czechs, and Hungarians and not to Italy at all.

[Hanuman]

Romance Dalmatian people were partly descendants of Romans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

[GiCa]

We are just a stone throw away, but apparently none. Wich is curious. I m speaking more over on scientific proved Italian ancestry or exchange of genes from us to them:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VQ0HLRv2aO8/WUWKx3SRE-I/AAAAAAAACFI/qhyV50n8dRcfrVrmrdhqmUDVnUhodV6ZgCLcBGAs/s1600/23and_Me_Italian.png

[Hanuman]

We are just a stone throw away, but apparently none. Wich is curious. I m speaking more over on scientific proved Italian ancestry or exchange of genes from us to them:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VQ0HLRv2aO8/WUWKx3SRE-I/AAAAAAAACFI/qhyV50n8dRcfrVrmrdhqmUDVnUhodV6ZgCLcBGAs/s1600/23and_Me_Italian.png

Italian admixture = west med admixture, is not it?

[GiCa]

Italian admixture = west med admixture, is not it?

No. It s Italian admixture in 23andme tests

Even thought precisely it s South Italy admixture

[Hanuman]

No. It s Italian admixture in 23andme tests

Exist in Germany, Hungary, Austria and Belgium but does not exist in Dalmatia and throughout western Balkans, it's very weird.

[Sikeliot]

Italian admixture = west med admixture, is not it?

No, West Med = Sardinia on most calculators.

"Italian" is highest in central-south Italy and Aegean islands like Crete or Rhodes.

[Bosniensis]

I have Montenegrin ancestry.

Montenegro = Duklja = Dioclea founded by Diocletian, populated by the Romans.

Dalmatia as well.

We have 45-47% Greek/Roman DNA just like Romanians for example.

we have some % of Celtic and Thracian Autosomal as well.

We are slavic for the reason we speak slavic languages, but all Dinaric, Pontid people descended from Roman Empire.

[GiCa]

^the 23andme says 0 for bosnians

You are right for Montenegrins.. Literally a venetian small concentrate of at least cultural influence

Hell in italy there is even a famous liqueur, called Amaro Montenegro

[MercifulServant]

I don't think so. Most of the Italian population that was there likely returned to Italy. Croatians are genetically close to Slovaks, Czechs, and Hungarians and not to Italy at all.

I guess most returned but could some of the population be slavisized romans I'm sure Dalmatians plot differently then north croats

[Bosniensis]

^the 23andme says 0 for bosnians

You are right for Montenegrins.. Literally a venetian small concentrate of at least cultural influence

Hell in italy there is even a famous liqueur, called Amaro Montenegro

Well Bosnia is mixed, military province settled by various people of various cultures and backgrounds.

My family came to Kordun Croatia in 15th century from Montenegro, then in 19th moved to Bosnia.

[Stears]

I have Montenegrin ancestry.

Montenegro = Duklja = Dioclea founded by Diocletian, populated by the Romans.

Dalmatia as well.

We have 45-47% Greek/Roman DNA just like Romanians for example.

we have some % of Celtic and Thracian Autosomal as well.

We are slavic for the reason we speak slavic languages, but all Dinaric, Pontid people descended from Roman Empire.

Dalmatian people are not similar to the Romanians.

speak for yourself.

[Lucia]

Some probably do(Italian), but I would guess it's more likely in Istria.

[MercifulServant]

I have Montenegrin ancestry.

Montenegro = Duklja = Dioclea founded by Diocletian, populated by the Romans.

Dalmatia as well.

We have 45-47% Greek/Roman DNA just like Romanians for example.

we have some % of Celtic and Thracian Autosomal as well.

We are slavic for the reason we speak slavic languages, but all Dinaric, Pontid people descended from Roman Empire.

Could you elaborate more on romans in Dalmatia?

[Stears]

Romans were present in Hungary too...can Transdanubian people claim the Roman ancestry ?
it is stupid thread...the romans were administrative elite outside the italian peninsula, and that was all.

[Bosniensis]

Could you elaborate more on romans in Dalmatia?

Emperor Diocletian was born in Dalmatia in 3rd century.

City of Solin had 60.000 of Romano-Illyrians who spoke predominantly Latin language.

Emperor Diocletian was obsessed with Dalmatia that he moved a large populace of Italy to the province of Dalmatia and Dioclea (modern Montenegro).

When Slavs came by the permission of Emperor Heraclius they mixed with those people which is why we have 50% Roman/Greek ancestry and 50% Slavic ancestry (just like myself).

Source: De Administrando Imperio

[MercifulServant]

We are just a stone throw away, but apparently none. Wich is curious. I m speaking more over on scientific proved Italian ancestry or exchange of genes from us to them:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VQ0HLRv2aO8/WUWKx3SRE-I/AAAAAAAACFI/qhyV50n8dRcfrVrmrdhqmUDVnUhodV6ZgCLcBGAs/s1600/23and_Me_Italian.png

This map is suspicious it doesn't make sense that Bulgaria and Germany has more Italian then dalmatia

[GiCa]

^ Hungary could have spoken a Latin language

The presence there of Roman i think was noteworthy.. Mainly because Romans were obsessed with Thermaes

[Bosniensis]

This map is suspicious it doesn't make sense that Bulgaria and Germany has more Italian then dalmatia

Italians simply ignore Slavic lands cause they believe that we are all Slavs from Russia or Ukraine, but they are very wrong.

Serbian people are mostly Pontid, Dinarids, Dinaro-Meds... <-- non slavic people.

[Stears]

Emperor Diocletian was born in Dalmatia in 3rd century.

City of Solin had 60.000 of Romano-Illyrians who spoke predominantly Latin language.

Emperor Diocletian was obsessed with Dalmatia that he moved a large populace of Italy to the province of Dalmatia and Dioclea (modern Montenegro).

When Slavs came by the permission of Emperor Heraclius they mixed with those people which is why we have 50% Roman/Greek ancestry and 50% Slavic ancestry (just like myself).

Source: De Administrando Imperio

Why do you speak in name of Dalmatian Croatians ? you are not related with them.

[Stears]

^ Hungary could have spoken a Latin language

The presence there of Roman i think was noteworthy.. Mainly because Romans were obsessed with Thermaes

There are lot or Roman ruins in Budapest and western Hungary (Transdanubia).

[MercifulServant]

Emperor Diocletian was born in Dalmatia in 3rd century.

City of Solin had 60.000 of Romano-Illyrians who spoke predominantly Latin language.

Emperor Diocletian was obsessed with Dalmatia that he moved a large populace of Italy to the province of Dalmatia and Dioclea (modern Montenegro).

When Slavs came by the permission of Emperor Heraclius they mixed with those people which is why we have 50% Roman/Greek ancestry and 50% Slavic ancestry (just like myself).

Source: De Administrando Imperio

How many people were moved and is this all across dalmatia? Also what do u mean by Romano Illyrians are they italic or Illyrians?

[Stears]

Romance Dalmatian people were partly descendants of Romans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

I think they were Vlachs.

[MercifulServant]

Why do you speak in name of Dalmatian Croatians ? you are not related with them.

DO you think Dalmatian croats have possible Roman ancestry

[Bosniensis]

How many people were moved and is this all across dalmatia? Also what do u mean by Romano Illyrians are they italic or Illyrians?

Well we don't have information for Dalmatia, but Dioclea (ancient city near podgorica) was fully settled by the people from Italy. Rather large amount of people.

Romano-Illyrians are people who lived on Western Balkans before Slavic arrival, Illyrians were primitive tribal Greeks who mixed with Ancient Romans after SPQR conquered Illyricum in Bellum Batonianum (War).

Romano-Illyrians then mixed with Slavs and that's what we are today.

[Hanuman]

Italians simply ignore Slavic lands cause they believe that we are all Slavs from Russia or Ukraine, but they are very wrong.

Serbian people are mostly Pontid, Dinarids, Dinaro-Meds... <-- non slavic people.

Why are you speak in the name of Serbians?
Bosnian are the oldest people on the world, they built bosnian pyramid which is old 20 000 years.

[Stears]

DO you think Dalmatian croats have possible Roman ancestry

I don't think so. Real Romans were only the administrative elite in the provinces.

they are native people mixed with slavs

[Bosniensis]

Why are you speak in the name of Serbians?
Bosnian are the oldest people on the world, they built bosnian pyramid which is old 20 000 years.

Why wouldn't I speak in the name of Serbians beg your pardon?

[MercifulServant]

I don't think so. Real Romans were only the administrative elite in the provinces.

they are native people mixed with slavs

So mostly Illyrians then?

[Hanuman]

Why wouldn't I speak in the name of Serbians beg your pardon?

Because you are Bosniak and Serbian users think that you trolling them.

[Lucia]

Well we don't have information for Dalmatia, but Dioclea (ancient city near podgorica) was fully settled by the people from Italy. Rather large amount of people.

Romano-Illyrians are people who lived on Western Balkans before Slavic arrival, Illyrians were primitive tribal Greeks who mixed with Ancient Romans after SPQR conquered Illyricum in Bellum Batonianum (War).

Romano-Illyrians then mixed with Slavs and that's what we are today.

What I found for Dioclea:
According to an account from the Abbreviator of Strabo:

"Nothing was speared. The Slavs after killing whoever had remained in the city, took whatever they could, and destroyed every thing else. From the large library of Dioclea not even a book remained, after everything was burned down, not even one!"

[Stears]

So mostly Illyrians then?

i think mixature of slavic and illyrian tribes

[Bosniensis]

What I found for Dioclea:
According to an account from the Abbreviator of Strabo:

"Nothing was speared. The Slavs after killing whoever had remained in the city, took whatever they could, and destroyed every thing else. From the large library of Dioclea not even a book remained, after everything was burned down, not even one!"

Yes, Slavs imposed their own Culture, Language and what not.

That could not be achieved without force.

But modern Genetics reveals to us that statement was a bit of a stretch. It wasn't THAT bad.

Hundreds of thousands Illyrians, Romans lived on Western Balkans they couldn't have been ALL killed.

They were assimilated.

[Hanuman]

They were assimilated.

For sure, you are descendant of assimilatted Romans-Illyrians (aka Vlachs).

[MercifulServant]

Yes, Slavs imposed their own Culture, Language and what not.

That could not be achieved without force.

But modern Genetics reveals to us that statement was a bit of a stretch. It wasn't THAT bad.

Hundreds of thousands Illyrians, Romans lived on Western Balkans they couldn't have been ALL killed.

They were assimilated.

I hope I have an R1a slavic haplo group I love slavicness I don't want to be Illyrian or roman

[Bosniensis]

For sure, you are descendant of assimilatted Romans-Illyrians (aka Vlachs).

Yes, Slavs called Romans and Illyrians = Vlachs.

I have both slavic and native blood (just like all Serbs, Montenegrins, Bosnians) today.

And all have ratio about 50%/50%

[Hanuman]

Yes, Slavs called Romans and Illyrians = Vlachs.

I have both slavic and native blood (just like all Serbs, Montenegrins, Bosnians) today.

And all have ratio about 50%/50%

Why are you worship Vlachs?
Do you think that they are better than Slavs?

[Bosniensis]

I hope I have an R1a slavic haplo group I love slavicness I don't want to be Illyrian or roman

Well, even modern Russia is influenced by Roman culture, HEAVILY.

Russian Names are mostly Roman names.

Russian culture is like 50% Roman Culture.

Serbian R1a isn't like Ukrainian or Russian R1a.. in the sense that Autosomal DNA of R1a Serbs is again 50% Balkan 50% Slavic.

[MercifulServant]

Well, even modern Russia is influenced by Roman culture, HEAVILY.

Russian Names are mostly Roman names.

Russian culture is like 50% Roman Culture.

Serbian R1a isn't like Ukrainian or Russian R1a.. in the sense that Autosomal DNA of R1a Serbs is again 50% Balkan 50% Slavic.

Well I hope my haplogroup is Slavic and I'm mostly autosomally Slavic too I love slavs

[Hanuman]

@ Bosniensis

Until recent past Vlachs were semi-nomadic sheperds without any culture and even without state, nobody in the Balkans want to be Vlach.


https://youtu.be/YdZoNqD97p0

[Bosniensis]

Why are you worship Vlachs?
Do you think that they are better than Slavs?

No, Slavs are fine but:

Why would I prefer Slavic ancestry over Native Balkan ancestry when I am more native than Slavic?

Romanians are also 35% Slavic 65% Greek/Illyrian/Roman.. and they have decided to speak Latin like language...

and Romanians are 1:1 identical people to Serbs.

Actually we have more right to speak Latin then Romanians yet we continued with Slavic.

[Bosniensis]

@ Bosniensis

Until recent past Vlachs were semi-nomadic sheperds without any culture and even without state, nobody in the Balkans want to be Vlach.


https://youtu.be/YdZoNqD97p0

Those are Vlachs who lived like Albanians, secluded on Mountains and they survived.

But true Vlachs who lived in Cities are completely assimilated into Serbs, Bosnians, Croats etc..

So now Vlach today is a term for Shepherds, but it wasn't like that in 6th century.

[Hanuman]

Those are Vlachs who lived like Albanians, secluded on Mountains and they survived.

But true Vlachs who lived in Cities are completely assimilated into Serbs, Bosnians, Croats etc..

So now Vlach today is a term for Shepherds, but it wasn't like that in 6th century.

There is no Vlash who were civilized and lived in cities, Vlach are semi-nomadic sheperds.

[GiCa]

it s very interesting. thank you.

i would likme to know the distribution of mal and female haplogroups in the balkans. wich are linked to romans, and wich are linked to slavs

[Bosniensis]

There is no Vlash who were civilized and lived in cities, Vlach are semi-nomadic sheperds.

Vlach is a Slavic/Germanic name for Romans and Illyrians.

Even today, people from Poland call Italians = Wlochy/Vlachs

Do you get it?

[Dick]

it s very interesting. thank you.

i would likme to know the distribution of mal and female haplogroups in the balkans. wich are linked to romans

probably some J and R1b, not sure of the subclades.

[Hanuman]

Vlach is a Slavic/Germanic name for Romans and Illyrians.

Even today, people from Poland call Italians = Wlochy/Vlachs

Do you get it?

Vlach are semi-nomadic sheoperds from Balkans who speak vulgar Latin language.
Latin speakers who lived in Dalmatians cities were not Vlachs.

[Bosniensis]

it s very interesting. thank you.

i would likme to know the distribution of mal and female haplogroups in the balkans. wich are linked to romans, and wich are linked to slavs

We have many different haplogroups like EV13, J2, I2 etc..

We don't have R1b a lot, but we do have slavic R1a though.

Female haplogroups are mostly H (as far as I know, but I haven't checked a lot).

[Kelmendasi]

probably some J and R1b, not sure of the subclades.
For R1b it would be R1b-U152 and for J it would be the “Roman” J2a clade

[Hanuman]

it s very interesting. thank you.

i would likme to know the distribution of mal and female haplogroups in the balkans. wich are linked to romans, and wich are linked to slavs

Vlach from southern Balkans known as Aromanians are mostly R1b, J2b2 and E1b, those 3 haplogroups are more than 70% among them and that haplogroups are not conected with Slavs.

Slavic haplogroups in the Balkans are I2a and R1a.

[Dick]

Female haplogroups are mostly H (as far as I know, but I haven't checked a lot).

they are mostly H-ish, yes.

[Kelmendasi]

it s very interesting. thank you.

i would likme to know the distribution of mal and female haplogroups in the balkans. wich are linked to romans, and wich are linked to slavs
The Ydna haplogroups from the Romans or Italians would be R1b-U152 and the Italic J2a clades. The Slavic Ydna haplogroups are R1a(Slavic clades) and I2a1b-Din

[Lucia]

I have to agree with Makeridov on this one, Vlachs lived in rural Dalmatian hinterland, not cities.

[Hanuman]

I have to agree with Makeridov on this one, Vlachs lived in rural Dalmatian hinterland, not cities.

Vlachs lived in mountains of central and southern Balkans (especaially southern).

[ovidiu]

^Not so far south until later in history.


I have Montenegrin ancestry.

Montenegro = Duklja = Dioclea founded by Diocletian, populated by the Romans.

Dalmatia as well.

We have 45-47% Greek/Roman DNA just like Romanians for example.

we have some % of Celtic and Thracian Autosomal as well.

We are slavic for the reason we speak slavic languages, but all Dinaric, Pontid people descended from Roman Empire.

With all due respect, I think you're approaching this a bit too simplistically. Those types were most probably native to the region long before that. Most anthropologists agree that they are of very ancient origin. I don't take that stuff in ancient Greek writings about everyone to the north having red hair at face value. Populations can't change that drastically and be replaced like that.

I also think you're exaggerrating the impact of actual Romans somewhat. They were mainly administrators and even then many in the army and who were sent to colonize were from around the entire empire. I doubt they were a significant factor in the ethnogeneses of these nations.

That being said it might not be absolutely negligible either, and a small amount may have gotten quickly absorbed and assimilated into the larger population around them.


We are just a stone throw away, but apparently none. Wich is curious. I m speaking more over on scientific proved Italian ancestry or exchange of genes from us to them:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VQ0HLRv2aO8/WUWKx3SRE-I/AAAAAAAACFI/qhyV50n8dRcfrVrmrdhqmUDVnUhodV6ZgCLcBGAs/s1600/23and_Me_Italian.png

Yeah that is interesting. They on the western part of the Balkans oddly have quite little genetic connection, despite what you'd think. So either the Dalmatians were mainly natives or if not they moved out or were overwhelmed by Croats later. But the present day ones still do seem distinct from Slavonians for example. So it points toward a probable cultural romanization of the area at one point.

I admit I thought it was interesting that many Romanians who I compared genomes with on 23andme actually did have a small (1-5%) amount of Italian listed there, including myself. But there needs to be more research. The field is still in its infancy. It will evolve more over the coming decades I'm sure.

I was looking up some genetic autosomal plots of European and other populations, and interestingly, Romanians aren't actually that far from some of their linguistic relatives on some maps, but I think it depends on the data and how they choose to display it.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8211/8437291103_92212c88bf_o.png
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8080/8325654300_7d1a494875_o.png
http://oi52.tinypic.com/335gmd4.jpg
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2011/01/MDS1600.png
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2010/06/jewsnat2.png
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TA_tjcMrcnI/AAAAAAAACb0/iMP8YJM3D8E/s1600/pca.jpg

Some other plots I've found, which also include other Balkan ethnicities

https://dnatestingchoice.com/perch/resources/britains-dna-european-600x530-border-v2.jpg
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/science/13visual.html
https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn.net/newman/gfx/news/hires/2008/4-researchersl.jpg
https://blog.23andme.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Genes-mirror-geography-for-Europeans.jpg

Seems they pull much closer to southern or central Europe than far Eastern like Russia/Ukraine for example. Maybe Bosniensis is on to something. But I still think his analysis is overly simplistic and the native element far outshines whatever else. Populations always have at least some continuity with older ones and don't just start with a blank slate after a linguistic shift. Slavs of course were an important later layer too.

Also haplogroups can be misleading too. For instance many Latin American mestizos who have R1b as their paternal one are obviously not genetically the same as their Spanish ancestors.


Those are Vlachs who lived like Albanians, secluded on Mountains and they survived.

But true Vlachs who lived in Cities are completely assimilated into Serbs, Bosnians, Croats etc..

So now Vlach today is a term for Shepherds, but it wasn't like that in 6th century.

Actually I believe it was the cities that were the most depopulated after the tumults of the barbarian invasions around the beginning of the Middle Ages. The Vlachs in general were probably more of a country people to begin with, but at least from that time (as we can see by a loss of much city-life related Latin vocabulary). It was probably easier to survive in more isolated areas. However, many of the cities still show some continuity of name, although heavily altered. This was probably mostly due to the Byzantine imperial administrators.

[Jana]

I do get some Italian on 23andme, DNA land and myheritage.

[Jana]

we're would it be most frequent in dalmatia

Coastal cities.

[Seya]

No, Slavs are fine but:

Why would I prefer Slavic ancestry over Native Balkan ancestry when I am more native than Slavic?

Romanians are also 35% Slavic 65% Greek/Illyrian/Roman.. and they have decided to speak Latin like language...

and Romanians are 1:1 identical people to Serbs.

Actually we have more right to speak Latin then Romanians yet we continued with Slavic.
Stop this BS already. Romanians and serbs are not identical people in any way. And where do u take those 35% from? Tell me pls? I don’t get those 33% of north slavic on DNA.LAND as u do... it doesn’t even matter anyway...what makes u a vlach or any other ethnicity is primarly the culture and language...

[MercifulServant]

Stop this BS already. Romanians and serbs are not identical people in any way. And where do u take those 35% from? Tell me pls? I don’t get those 33% of north slavic on DNA.LAND as u do... it doesn’t even matter anyway...what makes u a vlach or any other ethnicity is primarly the culture and language...

We are very simalar people genetically wether you like it or not

[MercifulServant]

I do get some Italian on 23andme, DNA land and myheritage.

I get more Sardinian then you on DNA land (2.8%) and im partly Dalmatian is it roman blood?

[Jana]

I get more Sardinian then you on DNA land and im partly Dalmatian is it roman blood?

It's possible.

But I didn't mean Sardinian, since they are genetically different from Italy. I meant south/central European which is based on north and central Italians.

[Tauromachos]

Yep

[Jana]

Yep

Not nearly as much as people imagine, to add. It's common in wealthy or noble city families, not among the average people.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I get more Sardinian then you on DNA land (2.8%) and im partly Dalmatian is it roman blood?

I think you should not pay much attention to DNA.land, the calculator's trace region values are far from actual background, in dna.land I get Italian, Northwestern Euro even Siberian now according to ftdna autosomal results which goes as far as 2000 years back I'm entirely southeast european, no italian or anything, also in other calculators I get typical albanian score, only Dna.land has some weird results which confuses people more than actually tells you anything.

[A_Magnus7]

Some Dalmatian have Venetian roots, it was us for more than 400 years so yeah but in the latest centuries most of Venetian descendants emigrated in Istria and Italy, nowadays there are few Venetian descendants, Croats took it supported by Habsburg and kicked all Italian speakers and Serbian ones :(

[Jana]

Some Dalmatian have Venetian roots, it was us for more than 400 years so yeah but in the latest centuries most of Venetian descendants emigrated in Istria and Italy, nowadays there are few Venetian descendants, Croats took it supported by Habsburg and kicked all Italian speakers and Serbian ones :(

It was well deserved. Dalmatia is land of Croats, and all the others are guests.

[MercifulServant]

It was well deserved. Dalmatia is land of Croats, and all the others are guests.

No it isnt there were always many serbs in dalmatia. Knin was a majority serbian town until after the war

[Jana]

No it isnt there were always many serbs in dalmatia. Knin was a majority serbian town until after the war

Not anymore.

Btw, Serbs became majority in Knin after ww1. Should I mention it was Croatian royal capital ?

:)

[piro ilir]

Well we don't have information for Dalmatia, but Dioclea (ancient city near podgorica) was fully settled by the people from Italy. Rather large amount of people.

Romano-Illyrians are people who lived on Western Balkans before Slavic arrival, Illyrians were primitive tribal Greeks who mixed with Ancient Romans after SPQR conquered Illyricum in Bellum Batonianum (War).

Romano-Illyrians then mixed with Slavs and that's what we are today.

Illyrians tribal primitive Greeks!!! That's really astonishing

[piro ilir]

I hope I have an R1a slavic haplo group I love slavicness I don't want to be Illyrian or roman

Y-dna it's not the same as DNA. It's only a very tiny portion of our genetic composition. British people and Hindu people are both R1 and still too different in physiognomy or physical appearance.

[MercifulServant]

Y-dna it's not the same as DNA. It's only a very tiny portion of our genetic composition. British people and Hindu people are both R1 and still too different in physiognomy or physical appearance.

Don't pay attention to that comment it was a while ago

[MercifulServant]

I think you have an identity crisis...
Once you want to be a Thraco-Illyrian, and than the next day a Slav.
Better your parents start watching on you...

The r1a comment was months ago dont pay attention to it. I am what I am A south slav. A mix of both but more paleo balkanic/thraco illyrian genetically speaking.

[Vincent_D]

Hello! I was wondering where you found those images (not including the Eupedia map)? I tried to reverse search the first one (West_Central_Eurasia.dat) and only found other forums, not the original source. Thanks in advance!