Turks have more Steppe European dna than Anatolian Greeks and Armenians

[Hudayar]

I just found about this. What do you think?
Rum_OA means Central Anatolian Greek
Rum_DK means Northeastern Anatolian Greek
Ermeni_DA means Eastern Anatolian Armenian
Turkish samples were taken from 96 Turks
Anatolian Greeks were taken from anthrogenica etc

Also it seems Greeks have more N. Anatolian in them than Turks
European_HG in Turks is around 10%
Greeks: 5% or 8%
Armenians: 3%
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0dUMNdy3zqc/WifxX-eiaNI/AAAAAAAAANo/yK08KAO3vm4_o3qz-NUOse7rS7o0JW81ACLcBGAs/s1600/dodok12b.png


In MDLP k23b, Turks are around 7% and Greeks are around 2-5%. Armenians are 1.33% Not sure about Ancestral_Altaic so i don't count it as Steppe European
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0uFVyup7kCs/WifxyORbVjI/AAAAAAAAAN0/ioGyWZORt1E9bcU1P3ewREpAJNhDNGgLACLcBGAs/s1600/mdlk23b.png

Again
Turks are still around 10% where as Greeks are either 5% or 8% Armenians are 4.93% (let's make it 5%)
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Y4RKxQiNuss/WifxpwEM-kI/AAAAAAAAANs/RCy9Y0BKzDYhkUf25cb1k21CCT4REiSswCLcBGAs/s1600/puntdnak12.png


Source:
https://turkishdna.blogspot.com.tr/

[Hudayar]

Other differences:
Mongoloid dna seems to be around 10-11% whereas Greeks and Armenians have 1% at best
South Asian dna is around 1-4% whereas Greeks have 1% at best (could be explained by South Indian ancestry in Turkmens which is around 7-10%) Armenians are around 2.93%
Near east in Turks is around 8-10% Greeks are around 11-14% Armenians are around 15%
Caucasus is around 34-35% whereas Greeks are around 46-55% Armenians are around 41-46%
N. Anatolian in Turks is around 28% whereas Greeks are around 34-37% Armenians are around 32%

[Marmara]

These are Anatolian Greeks. It's still interesting but no surprise, Turks are literally from steppes. I wonder the data of Mainland Greeks.

[Hudayar]

These are Anatolian Greeks. It's still interesting but no surprise, Turks are literally from steppes. I wonder the data of Mainland Greeks.

Isn't it a bit surprising that Anatolian Greeks who speak an Indo European language score less Steppe European than Turks and Kurds? Steppe IE people brought IE languages to Europe and Iran/Old Central Asia

[Marmara]

Isn't it a bit surprising that Anatolian Greeks who speak an Indo European language score less Steppe European than Turks and Kurds?

Kurds speak Indo-European as well. It might be a bit surprising for Turks

[Sikeliot]

Data from unknown sources posted by an ethnicity that has a lot of bias and hate toward Greeks.. oh, this is totally accurate and should be trusted...

[Hudayar]

Data from unknown sources posted by an ethnicity that has a lot of bias and hate toward Greeks.. oh, this is totally accurate and should be trusted...

I already posted the source. And I have nothing against Greeks. I loathe Byzantines though but they're dead.

Turkish samples were taken from 96 Turks
Anatolian Greeks were taken from anthrogenica etc

[Leto]

Armenians have very little NE Euro blood, yet they speak an Indo-European language as well. Karakalpaks have much more Aryan blood than Armenians.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Data from unknown sources posted by an ethnicity that has a lot of bias and hate toward Greeks.. oh, this is totally accurate and should be trusted...

The results are Greeks from cappadokia, central turkey

[wvwvw]

OWD stronk!

Rum in your wet dreams only, assimilated people who live in Turkey, or various nations outside Greece are not Greeks at all. It's like posting Brazilians as Portuguese.

Post Greeks from Greece budala mongoloarmenoid Turk not people of unknown origin. Interesting how you never post "Rums" from Ukraine who are far more numerous.

[wvwvw]

Armenians have very little NE Euro blood, yet they speak an Indo-European language as well. Karakalpaks have much more Aryan blood than Armenians.

Armenians from Armenia have a lot more than Turks. Several Armenians have posted their results and some plot east of Bulgarians, while Turks come up as a mix of Syrian and Turkmen,

[Thracian]

Armenians from Armenia have a lot more than Turks. Several Armenians have posted their results and some plot east of Bulgarians, while Turks come up as a mix of Syrian and Turkmen,

Do you know any kit numbers for Armenians from Armenia?

[wvwvw]

I like how this hooked nosed Turk suddenly "forgot" that Greeks are Rums (as these turkish armenoids always use this term to demean Greeks) and how all of a suddenly people who live in Turkey of unknown origin are "Greeks"

The epicentre of Armenoid is Turkey not Armenia, never forget that budala Turkoid

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgnGNlHOJmrVT5iQDmM_eE1BWzxZmM_ epL7UMFdrSySt_B0A

[Hudayar]

Armenians from Armenia have a lot more than Turks. Several Armenians have posted their results and some plot east of Bulgarians, while Turks come up as a mix of Syrian and Turkmen,

even Turkmens are more "European" than Anatolian Greeks
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Turkmen-genetic-admixture.png

[wvwvw]

Do you know any kit numbers for Armenians from Armenia?

No but you can search in the autosomal section

[Gangrel]

Armenians from Armenia have a lot more than Turks. Several Armenians have posted their results and some plot east of Bulgarians, while Turks come up as a mix of Syrian and Turkmen,

Dodecad K12b averages = Atlantic Med + North European Total

Armenian = 13.31
Turkish population 1 = 22.80
Turkish population 2 = 19.48
Turkmen = 15.01

They have less NE European than Turkmen ffs :rofl:

[Leto]

Armenians from Armenia have a lot more than Turks. Several Armenians have posted their results and some plot east of Bulgarians, while Turks come up as a mix of Syrian and Turkmen,
Armenians:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 52.53
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 30.65
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 13.83
4 East_Asian 2.26
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.73


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 55.32
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 28.77
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 12.82
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.07

Turks:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 44.89
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 27.72
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 15.43
4 East_Asian 6.98
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.22
6 Sub_Saharan 1.75


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 46.94
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 26.42
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 16.77
4 East_Asian 6.08
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.78

These are more like Eastern Turks, probably part Kurdish or Azerbaijani. Yet they score a bit more WHG than Armenians.

[wvwvw]

Those are not Greek results. They are unknown people posted by Turks dubbed as "Anatolian Greeks". Muslim people who live in Turkey, with no verified Greek ancestry and admixture.

Comes from Turkish dna blog. Legit.

[Leto]

Do you know any kit numbers for Armenians from Armenia?
I have some. Armenians are fairly homogeneous. They are very close to Assyrians and to Georgian Jews.

[Hudayar]

Armenians:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 52.53
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 30.65
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 13.83
4 East_Asian 2.26
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.73


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 55.32
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 28.77
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 12.82
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.07

Turks:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 44.89
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 27.72
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 15.43
4 East_Asian 6.98
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.22
6 Sub_Saharan 1.75


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 46.94
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 26.42
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 16.77
4 East_Asian 6.08
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.78

These are more like Eastern Turks, probably part Kurdish or Azerbaijani. Yet they score a bit more WHG than Armenians.

here are Near East Neolithic K13 result averages of Turks and a Turk from Giresun





SE_ASIAN

ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC

CHG_EEF

POLAR

EHG

SUB_SAHARAN

IRAN_NEOLITHIC

KARITIANA

ANCESTRAL_INDIAN

NATUFIAN

SIBERIAN

PAPUAN

SHG_WHG



Giresun sample

6.43

6.05

28.57

1.50

5.50

0

23.50

1.11

2.57

13.11

9.74

0

1.92



Çorpan Tarkan

3.08

11.02

22.61

0.74

6.33

0.25

27.72

0

5.6

11.17

8.33

1.15

2



Turkish

3.20

14.09

29.67

1.50

5.79

0.10

21.48

0.90

0.60

12.29

6.19

0.30

3.90




Turkish_Balıkesir

5.08

13.96

30.11

0.50

4.49

0.30

22.23

0.70

0.70

9.37

8.28

0.70

3.59



Turkish_Kayseri

2.80

13.61

29.67

0.80

3.80

0

27.63

0.40

1.50

15.92

4.10

0.40

2.00



Turkish_Istanbul

3.30

13.50

32.20

0.60

6.30

0.10

21.90

0.60

2.00

11.80

3.60

0.40

3.70



Turkish_Trabzon

0.80

16.32

30.33

0.90

0.80

0

33.53

0.30

0

15.12

0.80

0.60

0.50



Turkish_Aydın

4.70

12.70

28.20

0.70

3.80

0.40

22.90

1.10

0.70

11.90

9.10

0.50

3.30



Turkmen

11.30

4.80

17.60

1.90

8.70

0.20

21.20

0.50

6.50

7.50

16.90

0.70

2.20

[Raizen]

Greeks do have little steppe ancestry tho, some scholars say that their language could have came not from steppe but from another source

[Leto]

Turks do have more Aryan blood than Armenians. Armenians are originally Middle Eastern and their branch of IE became isolated very early, while Turkic peoples had roamed the Eurasian steppe for centuries before they conquered Anatolia starting in the late 11th century. Of course the Greeks of Greece are much more European than Turks, no one denies that. But Armenians hardly are. And I'm not talking about culture and stuff.

[Raizen]

Turks do have more Aryan blood than Armenians. Armenians are originally Middle Eastern and their branch of IE became isolated very early, while Turkic peoples had roamed the Eurasian steppe for centuries before they conquered Anatolia starting in the late 11th century. Of course the Greeks of Greece are much more European than Turks, no one denies that. But Armenians hardly are. And I'm not talking about culture and stuff.

How much IE blood netherlanders have?

[Hudayar]

Turks do have more Aryan blood than Armenians. Armenians are originally Middle Eastern and their branch of IE became isolated very early, while Turkic peoples had roamed the Eurasian steppe for centuries before they conquered Anatolia starting in the late 11th century. Of course the Greeks of Greece are much more European than Turks, no one denies that. But Armenians hardly are. And I'm not talking about culture and stuff.

I think this also proves that Turkmens also had Scythian admixture in them when they arrived in Anatolia. Also i have seen a study about Greeks being closely related to Ancient Greeks but the only difference was that Greeks had more "Slavic" ancestry than Ancient Greeks.

[Leto]

How much IE blood netherlanders have?
The Dutch? They are the purest Germanics together with Danes. They are as white as possible.

[Raizen]

The Dutch? They are the purest Germanics together with Danes. They are as white as possible.

So a lot of steppe ancestry? More than norwegians?

[Hudayar]

I wonder what the Turkish results would look like if we took out 22 (or 24) Turks from Trabzon, Rize and Artvin.

[Leto]

So a lot of steppe ancestry? More than norwegians?
I think more or less the same amount.

[Leto]

I think this also proves that Turkmens also had Scythian admixture in them when they arrived in Anatolia. Also i have seen a study about Greeks being closely related to Ancient Greeks but the only difference was that Greeks had more "Slavic" ancestry than Ancient Greeks.
Yeah, even a Lazaridis or Haak study says Eastern Scythians got assimilated by Turkic speakers, in particular the Kipchaks.

[Böri]

here are Near East Neolithic K13 result averages of Turks and a Turk from Giresun





SE_ASIAN

ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC

CHG_EEF

POLAR

EHG

SUB_SAHARAN

IRAN_NEOLITHIC

KARITIANA

ANCESTRAL_INDIAN

NATUFIAN

SIBERIAN

PAPUAN

SHG_WHG



Giresun sample

6.43

6.05

28.57

1.50

5.50

0

23.50

1.11

2.57

13.11

9.74

0

1.92



Çorpan Tarkan

3.08

11.02

22.61

0.74

6.33

0.25

27.72

0

5.6

11.17

8.33

1.15

2



Turkish

3.20

14.09

29.67

1.50

5.79

0.10

21.48

0.90

0.60

12.29

6.19

0.30

3.90




Turkish_Balıkesir

5.08

13.96

30.11

0.50

4.49

0.30

22.23

0.70

0.70

9.37

8.28

0.70

3.59



Turkish_Kayseri

2.80

13.61

29.67

0.80

3.80

0

27.63

0.40

1.50

15.92

4.10

0.40

2.00



Turkish_Istanbul

3.30

13.50

32.20

0.60

6.30

0.10

21.90

0.60

2.00

11.80

3.60

0.40

3.70



Turkish_Trabzon

0.80

16.32

30.33

0.90

0.80

0

33.53

0.30

0

15.12

0.80

0.60

0.50



Turkish_Aydın

4.70

12.70

28.20

0.70

3.80

0.40

22.90

1.10

0.70

11.90

9.10

0.50

3.30



Turkmen

11.30

4.80

17.60

1.90

8.70

0.20

21.20

0.50

6.50

7.50

16.90

0.70

2.20



:) You can put the two, Çorpan Tarkan and the Giresun sample together as average from that region since Çorpan is like full Giresunian.

[wvwvw]

These are Anatolian Greeks. It's still interesting but no surprise, Turks are literally from steppes. I wonder the data of Mainland Greeks.

Turks from the Steppes? Hahahahh

Like your deputy PM?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQXfl5rV4AANBwm.jpg

At least no Pontian looks like that

Greek Pontians from Greece
http://www.xryshaygh.com/assets/images/news/xoreutika1.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AO3iezn9swU/VFC57i_-jnI/AAAAAAABGPg/dmgGiSjnGms/s1600/%CE%A0%CE%BF%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%AF%CF%89%CE%BD%2B%CE%9 4%CF%81%CF%8C%CF%83%CE%B9%CE%B1%CF%82.jpg

[Hudayar]

Turks from the Steppes? Hahahahh

Like your deputy PM?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQXfl5rV4AANBwm.jpg

At least no Pontian looks like that

Greek Pontians from Greece
http://www.xryshaygh.com/assets/images/news/xoreutika1.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AO3iezn9swU/VFC57i_-jnI/AAAAAAABGPg/dmgGiSjnGms/s1600/%CE%A0%CE%BF%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%AF%CF%89%CE%BD%2B%CE%9 4%CF%81%CF%8C%CF%83%CE%B9%CE%B1%CF%82.jpg

Bekir Bozdağ is Kurdish tho

[Bornoz]

OWD stronk!

Rum in your wet dreams only, assimilated people who live in Turkey, or various nations outside Greece are not Greeks at all. It's like posting Brazilians as Portuguese.

Post Greeks from Greece budala mongoloarmenoid Turk not people of unknown origin. Interesting how you never post "Rums" from Ukraine who are far more numerous.

Even though I am atheist I swear I have never seen such a delusional human in my whole life. I wonder do they let you stay here. You are clearly destroying the respectful ambiance in here.

[Hudayar]

By the way I have found these

Comparison of Pontic Turk and Pontic Greek
https://i.hizliresim.com/5VbW0R.jpg



Comparison of Central Anatolian Turk and Central Anatolian Greek
http://i.hizliresim.com/7vLkBY.png

source: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8017-Split-The-Early-Turks-Distribution-amp-Demographic-Outcomes/page12&p=174035#post174035

[Bornoz]

Even though I am atheist I swear I have never seen such a delusional human in my whole life. I wonder do they let you stay here. You are clearly destroying the respectful ambiance in here.

Oh, I said human. Sorry.

[Pennywise]

Sikeliot and Raine shitting blood all over the thread again. The inferiority complex at its finest.

[Marmara]

Turks from the Steppes? Hahahahh

Like your deputy PM?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQXfl5rV4AANBwm.jpg

You always sound stupid


Bekir Bozdağ (born 1 April 1965) is a Turkish lawyer and politician of Kurdish[1][2][3] origin. On 6 July 2011 he was appointed as the Deputy Prime Minister in the third cabinet of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.[4] On 26 December 2013, he was appointed as the Minister of Justice after the cabinet revision amidst the 2013 corruption scandal. On 19 July, he became Deputy Prime Minister again in the Cabinet of Yıldırım II.

And yes, Turks are literally from Steppes.

[Lavrentis]

The 'Greeks' you posted are not Greeks from Greece, they are Anatolian Greeks.


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[Pennywise]

Btw, the article is not about Greeks specifically. In the article authors made a comparison between native Anatolian populations and Turks and pointed out the correlation between language and genetics.

[Leto]

Turks look like this :D
http://www.discoverturkishwines.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/thumb-cenk-uygur.jpg

[Hudayar]

Btw, the article is not about Greeks specifically. In the article authors made a comparison between native Anatolian populations and Turks and pointed out the correlation between language and genetics.

Also this. But i found it funny when i found about this. So wanted to share. But the difference between Turks and Anatolian populations is already known on this forum.

Btw I don't think Kurds and Zazas are native to Anatolia.

[Lavrentis]

Sikeliot and Raine shitting blood all over the thread again. The inferiority complex at its finest.

Tbh this was started by the Turk who pretended that the results he posted are from mainland Greeks. He should have said that he posted Anatolian Greeks


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[wvwvw]

Bekir Bozdağ is Kurdish tho

Hogwosh, nowhere it says he is Kurd. Besides 90% of Turks have Kurdish, Iranid and ancestry of all the tribes that inhabited Anatolia. Which is why he is a deputy of the turkish government and a hardliner nationalistic Turk.

Who do you think you are delusional Turk? Even before the turkic tribes artived in anatolia they were swarthy as fuck after having internixed with dozen of middle eastern tribes on their way.

He is very typical of the Turks I saw in Istanbul. Swarthy, creepy and bad dressed as fuck. My impression was I had arrived to Gypsistan.

[Hudayar]

Turks look like this :D
http://www.discoverturkishwines.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/thumb-cenk-uygur.jpg

Kinda resembles Reza Zarrab but with no beard
East Med or Iranid imo.

[Hudayar]

Tbh this was started by the Turk who pretended that the results he posted are from mainland Greeks. He should have said that he posted Anatolian Greeks


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Turkish results are also from different regions. For example Turks from Trabzon and Rize and Artvin are also included although they cluster with Armenians/Georgians more than anatolian Turks. There's even a Turk from Batman. Why should i not call them Greeks? a Turkish sample from Edirne scores over 20% steppe euro btw.

[Lavrentis]

Turkish results are also from different regions. For example Turks from Trabzon and Rize and Artvin are also included although they cluster with Armenians/Georgians more than anatolian Turks. There's even a Turk from Batman. Why should i not call them Greeks? a Turkish sample from Edirne scores over 20% steppe euro btw.

You should have specified that they are Anatolian Greeks.


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[Böri]

Erdogan himself said his minister Bekir Bozdag is Kurdish.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmDmrgwFh2c

[Pennywise]

Also this. But i found it funny when i found about this. So wanted to share. But the difference between Turks and Anatolian populations is already known on this forum.

Btw I don't think Kurds and Zazas are native to Anatolia.

That's right, I should have said "native Anatolians and neighboring ethnicities". That's what the article says basically.

[Hudayar]

You should have specified that they are Anatolian Greeks.


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OK changing my thread's name to Anatolian Greeks :D

[wvwvw]

Tbh this was started by the Turk who pretended that the results he posted are from mainland Greeks. He should have said that he posted Anatolian Greeks


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These aren't Anatolian Greeks. I share with a few self declared Pontians in 23andme whom I found on various anthroforas. One woman did not speak Greek at all, and was 1/8 Greek, and living in Norway. Another only spoke Turkish and was Muslim. Yet these individuals were posted all over anthrofora as 'Pontian Greeks'.

[Stears]

So a lot of steppe ancestry? More than norwegians?

Indo-Europeans were swarthy Gypsy like people. the so-called ''steppe'' ancestry does not mean European (hunter-gatherer).

[Massagetae]

Hogwosh, nowhere it says he is Kurd. Besides 90% of Turks have Kurdish, Iranid and ancestry of all the tribes that inhabited Anatolia. Which is why he is a deputy of the turkish government and a hardliner nationalistic Turk.

Who do you think you are delusional Turk? Even before the turkic tribes artived in anatolia they were swarthy as fuck after having internixed with dozen of middle eastern tribes on their way.

He is very typical of the Turks I saw in Istanbul. Swarthy, creepy and bad dressed as fuck. My impression was I had arrived to Gypsistan.

https://s8.postimg.org/uiizijynp/for-idiot-greeks.png (https://postimg.org/image/eka9sf4fl/)

[wvwvw]

OK changing my thread's name to Anatolian Greeks :D

They are not Anatolian Greeks you swarthy armenoid.

[Mingle]

Indo-Europeans were swarthy Gypsy like people. the so-called ''steppe'' ancestry does not mean European (hunter-gatherer).

Swarthy Gypsy-like people lived in the Russian Steppe? :confused:

[Pennywise]

These aren't Anatolian Greeks. I share with some such person in 23andme. One woman did not speak Greek at all, and was 1/8 Greek, and living in Norway. Yet she was posted all over anthrofora as 'Pontian Greek'.

No one's buying your bullshits Raine. Save your breath. Anatolian Greeks are genetically basically Hellenizied native Anatolians and these results are not surprising at all. At least post your Greek speaking Slavic ancestors results here if you want to prove a point.

[Hadouken]

Btw I don't think Kurds and Zazas are native to Anatolia.

Kurds are partly native to anatolia . zazas came from northwest iran but it is a looong time ago and likely mixed with native anatolian too

btw. bozdag is atypical for a kurd imo . something is odd about him but we have other oddoids too so yeah lol

which components do you mean btw. ? I would like to check my own how much I have . I havent read the thread well too lazy :p

btw. here Kurdish politicians from turkey : bozdag looks different as you see

http://up.picr.de/27694843hx.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694844hk.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694845vb.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694846yf.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694847iu.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694848gn.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694849rk.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694850jp.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694878qx.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694851tc.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694852wp.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694853rf.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694854kw.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694855kg.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694856yu.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694857on.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694858pe.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694864nz.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694860sr.jpg

[Böri]

Turks who came to Anatolia 1000 years ago were genetically more northern Euro-like than both Armenians and Asia minor Greeks. There is nothing surprising regarding this.
Turks came from north parts of central Asia and Siberia.

[Leto]

Indo-Europeans were swarthy Gypsy like people. the so-called ''steppe'' ancestry does not mean European (hunter-gatherer).
Lol, the Hungarians are up to 50% Yamnaya genetically, which was the proto-IE culture. Please stop repeating that bullshit. The Gypsies came to Europe from Northern India via the Middle East. Their ancestors were low-caste Indians with little steppe ancestry. :picard1:

[Hudayar]

Turks who came to Anatolia 1000 years ago were genetically more northern Euro-like than both Armenians and Asia minor Greeks. There is nothing surprising regarding this.
Turks came from north parts of central Asia and Siberia.

I think Turks mainly came from Azerbaijan and Northeastern Iran and Turkmenistan during Mongol invasion. Some Turks could have come from Kazakhstan after Battle of Manzikert but majority of Turks' ancestors probably came from Azerbaijan North Eastern Iran and Turkmenistan etc. Karamanid family for example came from Azerbaijan and settled in Anatolia during Mongol invasion

[Lavrentis]

Lol, the Hungarians are up to 50% Yamnaya genetically, which was the proto-IE culture. Please stop repeating that bullshit. The Gypsies came to Europe from Northern India via the Middle East. Their ancestors were low-caste Indians with little steppe ancestry. :picard1:

Noob question, what's the difference between Yamnaya and Steppe?


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[Hadouken]

hello ? hudayar and Leto which components ?

[Hudayar]

hello ? hudayar and Leto which components ?

huh? I didn't ask anyone to post their components here. But if you want to you can post your Dodecad k12b, MDLP K23b and puntDNAL K12 results (to compare with other samples that i posted in the first post itt)

[Hadouken]

huh? I didn't ask anyone to post their components here. But if you want to you can post your Dodecad k12b, MDLP K23b and puntDNAL K12 results (to compare with other samples that i posted in the first post itt)

I mean which components do you mean with steppe etc

I am confused

[Leto]

Noob question, what's the difference between Yamnaya and Steppe?
Um, I think that's the same thing. Yamnaya is the name of the culture that lived in the Pontic-Caspian steppe.

[Hudayar]

I mean which components do you mean with steppe etc

I am confused

For Dodecad K12b and puntDNAL it's European_HG

[Leto]

hello ? hudayar and Leto which components ?
I usually refer to the Baltic, NE Euro and similar component as 'Aryan blood' (half-jokingly). Post your WHG score from Gedrosia K6 for example.

[Böri]

I think Turks mainly came from Azerbaijan and Northeastern Iran and Turkmenistan during Mongol invasion. Some Turks could have come from Kazakhstan after Battle of Manzikert but majority of Turks' ancestors probably came from Azerbaijan North Eastern Iran and Turkmenistan etc. Karamanid family for example came from Azerbaijan and settled in Anatolia during Mongol invasion

These who came during the second wave during the 13th century were genetically already more South Central Asian yes. First wave who came with 1071 Manzikert were, I guess, more Mongoloid and North Euro than second wave which were pushed westwards by Genghis Khan terror.
First wave must have been 60-70% Caucasoid (mostly N. Euro like) and rest East Eurasian.

[Hadouken]

For Dodecad K12b and puntDNAL it's European_HG

dodecad k12b has no european_hg component

on putndnal I get European_HG 7.55

sorry @everybody if I annoy you with the question btw. . I just dont get the thread

[wvwvw]

https://s8.postimg.org/uiizijynp/for-idiot-greeks.png (https://postimg.org/image/eka9sf4fl/)

Turkish citizen and deputy of Turkey fucktard. He lives in Turkey and he is a Turk. Iranian, Kurds, Armenians and Syrians make up the make up of "Turk" since they are your direct descendants along with mongoloid tribes.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpSNJuIVxWTanvrgW175w1_0W1INKD0 qk4jaBloMq50gyJrfu6

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_vfps4W0D43_-dqCMGbRvf0HSp1jlKOnDi7o0F1ACo3AEj98Q-g
Here you gypo people making the sign of the grey wolves protesting the recognition of the Armenian genocide by Gremany

[Hadouken]

I usually refer to the Baltic, NE Euro and similar component as 'Aryan blood' (half-jokingly). Post your WHG score from Gedrosia K6 for example.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 48.22
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 29.52
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 14.16
4 East_Asian 5.4
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.09
6 Sub_Saharan 0.62

[Hudayar]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 48.22
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 29.52
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 14.16
4 East_Asian 5.4
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.09
6 Sub_Saharan 0.62

Oh sorry i mixed 2 calculators up
Dodecad K12b European is North_European

[Hadouken]

Oh sorry i mixed 2 calculators up
Dodecad K12b European is North_European

ah ok . I get 6.12

[wvwvw]

Kurds are partly native to anatolia . zazas came from northwest iran but it is a looong time ago and likely mixed with native anatolian too

btw. bozdag is atypical for a kurd imo . something is odd about him but we have other oddoids too so yeah lol

which components do you mean btw. ? I would like to check my own how much I have . I havent read the thread well too lazy :p

btw. here Kurdish politicians from turkey : bozdag looks different as you see

http://up.picr.de/27694843hx.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694844hk.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694845vb.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694846yf.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694847iu.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694848gn.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694849rk.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694850jp.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694878qx.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694851tc.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694852wp.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694853rf.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694854kw.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694855kg.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694856yu.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694857on.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694858pe.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694864nz.jpg

http://up.picr.de/27694860sr.jpg

Having been in Turkey myself I say it's extreme cherry picking of the the average Turk and Kurd, who pretty much looked indistinguishable to me when I visied Istanbul.

[Böri]

Turkish citizen and deputy of Turkey fucktard. He lives in Turkey and he is a Turk. Iranian, Kurds, Armenians and Syrians make up the make up of "Turk" since they are your direct descendants along with mongoloid tribes.
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Here you gypo people making the sign of the grey wolves protest the recognition of the Armenian genocide by Gremany

Funny coming from a Cretan ape who posts gedmatch results of extreme north Greeks (Arvanite-Slav) as her own results, being ashamed of own high Red Sea, Levantine components...

[Leto]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 48.22
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 29.52
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 14.16
4 East_Asian 5.4
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.09
6 Sub_Saharan 0.62
5+% mong is quite a lot for a Kurd.

[Stears]

Swarthy Gypsy-like people lived in the Russian Steppe? :confused:

Yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture

Physical characteristics[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yamna_culture&action=edit&section=8)]The genetic basis of a number of physical features of the Yamnaya people were ascertained by the ancient DNA study conducted by Haak et al. (2015), Wilde et al. (2014), Mathieson et al. (2015): they were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown), dark-haired and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture#cite_note-Wilde-26)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture#cite_note-FOOTNOTEMathieson2015-5)

[Hadouken]

Having been in Turkey myself I say it's extreme cherry picking of the the average Turk and Kurd, who pretty much looked indistinguishable to me.

no . those are all kurdish politicians

I would have added bozdag too but I didnt know he is kurdish until recently . and he has something off about him too but of course there will be people like that

dont take your anger to discredit me . I dont cherrypick . these are normal faces for my people . there are enough included which you would call ugly armenoid or whatever the fuck . so its all good

go and post greeks in the greek thread if you want to prove a point

or better post your own face for once

[Böri]

5+% mong is quite a lot for a Kurd.

Mong and West-Euro HG show parallel rise and decrease in Asia Minor. West Euro HG components in Anatolia is mostly Turkic job.

[Thracian]

According to MDLP-23b they have too much African ancestry. Interesting.

[Stears]

Lol, the Hungarians are up to 50% Yamnaya genetically, which was the proto-IE culture. Please stop repeating that bullshit. The Gypsies came to Europe from Northern India via the Middle East. Their ancestors were low-caste Indians with little steppe ancestry. :picard1:

Wrong. My Yamnaya admixture is 15%. we are not russians

don't forget the Gypsy language is closest to the ancient Sanskrit.

[Hadouken]

West Euro HG components in Anatolia is mostly Turkic job.

no lol :D wtf

[Leto]

Oh sorry i mixed 2 calculators up
Dodecad K12b European is North_European
K7b combines Baltic and Atlantic.

[Hudayar]

5+% mong is quite a lot for a Kurd.

Some Turkmen tribes were absorbed by Kurdish tribes in the East. So some Kurds usually score more than 0% mongoloid

[Marmara]

Having been in Turkey myself I say it's extreme cherry picking of the the average Turk and Kurd, who pretty much looked indistinguishable to me when I visied Istanbul.

How do you even know how a Kurd, Turk, Syrian Refugee, Afghan Refugee, Pakistani Refugee look like? You probably thought arab tourists as local Turks and Turks as European tourists, lol (if you ever visited Turkey and not lying)

[Leto]

Wrong. My Yamnaya admixture is 15%. we are not russians

don't forget the Gypsy language is closest to the ancient Sanskrit.
<a href="https://ibb.co/fyoakG"><img src="https://image.ibb.co/dAm6sw/nihms801601f7.jpg" alt="nihms801601f7" border="0"></a>

[lameduck]

Turks should be thankful to Kurds for that who in turn should be thankful to their indo iranic connection in South Central Asia(pashtuns, pamiri Tajiks) etc

[wvwvw]

Funny coming from a Cretan ape who posts gedmatch results of extreme north Greeks (Arvanite-Slav) as her own results, being ashamed of own high Red Sea, Levantine components...

I posted my own results and I share with several members from the Apricity at 23andme, as well with other Peloponnesians who's results are almost identical to mine, you retarded armenomongoild piece of trash.

[Lavrentis]

Um, I think that's the same thing. Yamnaya is the name of the culture that lived in the Pontic-Caspian steppe.

Thanks


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[Hadouken]

Turks should be thankful to Kurds for that who in turn should be thankful to their indo iranic connection in South Central Asia(pashtuns, pamiri Tajiks) etc

the pamiri/tajik/pashtunit is 25% or so in us . so you are saying we got all the european components from those people ? :p yeah right lol

[Böri]

I posted my own results and I share with several members from the Apricity at 23andme, as well with other Peloponnesians who's results are almost identical to mine, you retarded armenomongoild piece of trash.

Sure the results you posted clustered almost with Central Italians before mainland Greeks, let aside 9% Red Sea scoring Cretans :rolleyes:
OWD detected....

[Stears]

https://image.ibb.co/dAm6sw/nihms801601f7.jpg (https://ibb.co/fyoakG)

who was tested, assimilated Rusyns from northeastern Hungary ?

My Yamnaya (proto-indo-european) score:


<tbody>
Afansievo_Yamnaya
15.73

</tbody>

Deal with it.

[Hadouken]

btw. it is clear that greeks have more european components than turks . I doubt anybody will think otherwise

at least this is true for greece (country) . I would have thought this is also the case for anatolian greeks

[lameduck]

the pamiri/tajik/pashtunit is 25% or so in us . so you are saying we got all the european components from those people ? :p yeah right lol

but its definitely because of Indo Iranic migrations from steppe.

[Hadouken]

but its definitely because of Indo Iranic migrations from steppe.

partly maybe . as I said that kind of heritage is 25% . but as you saw I scored 14% whg on the K6 calc . you want to tell me that pamiris etc. have 56% whg or what ? lol

[wvwvw]

Turks who came to Anatolia 1000 years ago were genetically more northern Euro-like than both Armenians and Asia minor Greeks. There is nothing surprising regarding this.
Turks came from north parts of central Asia and Siberia.

Is that why EVERY piece of literature from Greek, Albanian, Slavic as well as other European sourches depict Turks as hooked nosed armenoid asiatics, who would often abduct and kidnap women to rape them and upgrade their ugly race. Must be why you imported Circassian women as slaves who even to this day don't consider themselves Turks although they have been living in Turkey for generations. The vast majority of you look no different than your semitic neighbours in the south.

[lameduck]

partly maybe . as I said that kind of heritage is 25% . but as you saw I scored 14% whg on the K6 calc . you want to tell me that pamiris etc. have 56% whg or what ? lol
original indo iranics had much highter NE Euro.
how much NE Euro, you score in this calculator?

https://i.gyazo.com/8ffc9d3e73b0a4964794a271598cabe5.png

[Gangrel]

5+% mong is quite a lot for a Kurd.

all-in might have descended from one of the tribes which absorbed some turkmen

[Leto]

who was tested, assimilated Rusyns from northeastern Hungary ?

My Yamnaya (proto-indo-european) score:


<tbody>
Afansievo_Yamnaya
15.73

</tbody>

Deal with it.
Lol. C'mon, man, that chart I posted is froma serious study. Are Norwegians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Scotsmen, etc. 'swarthy Gypsy-like' people? :picard1:

[Hadouken]

original indo iranics had much highter NE Euro.
how much NE Euro, you score in this calculator?

https://i.gyazo.com/8ffc9d3e73b0a4964794a271598cabe5.png


# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 43.21
2 SW_Europe 20.72
3 SW_Asia 16.66
4 NE_Europe 8.29
5 South_Asia 5.24
6 Siberia 1.5
7 West_Africa 1.27
8 Americas 1.13
9 NE_Asia 0.77
10 SE_Asia 0.62
11 South_Africa 0.58


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is the SW_Europe also from tajiks etc. ? :lol: ;)

[Sikeliot]

btw. it is clear that greeks have more european components than turks . I doubt anybody will think otherwise

at least this is true for greece (country) . I would have thought this is also the case for anatolian greeks

It isn't because Anatolian Greeks are Hellenized.

[Sikeliot]

Sure the results you posted clustered almost with Central Italians before mainland Greeks, let aside 9% Red Sea scoring Cretans :rolleyes:
OWD detected....

Mainland Greeks plot north of central Italy just so you know.

[Stears]

Lol. C'mon, man, that chart I posted is froma serious study. Are Norwegians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Scotsmen, etc. 'swarthy Gypsy-like' people? :picard1:

I proved Yamnaya people were swarthy and darker than even the medo europeans.
The light pigmentation of these groups come from another source.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I proved Yamnaya people were swarthy and darker than even the medo europeans.

and what's the point with that?

[wvwvw]

Sure the results you posted clustered almost with Central Italians before mainland Greeks, let aside 9% Red Sea scoring Cretans :rolleyes:
OWD detected....

It depends on the calculator you dumb Turk but you are too dumb to know that. My top matches are always Greek. Now go cry about your armenoid results. In Crete you'd be considered gypsy I can assure you of that.

[Stears]

and what's the point with that?

They want to prove primitive steppe WOGs were white nordic looking people, like in Hitler and nazi fantasies. It come from 19th century romantic nationalism, when believed indo-european people were white.

But science put end to these lunatic tales.

[Stears]

here are your Aryans :)))))
http://www.indigenouspeople.net/Gypsies/images1/14.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

They want to prove primitive steppe WOGs were white nordic looking people, like in Hitler and nazi fantasies. It come from 19th century romantic nationalism, when believed indo-european people were white.

But science put end to these lunatic tales.

They were not Nordic, and this is impossible who lived in the Steppe areas to be Nordic.

Nordic types are mostly a result of cold areas, which steppes are not for sure.

However, Indo-Europeans from the "Corded Ware" for sure had a lot of Nordic examples.

[Lavrentis]

Mainland Greeks plot north of central Italy just so you know.

He also keeps spreading lies about how much of Red Sea Cretans score


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[Sikeliot]

He also keeps spreading lies about how much of Red Sea Cretans score


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4-6% is what is normal. There was one person who scored more, that was it.

[Lavrentis]

West Euro HG components in Anatolia is mostly Turkic job.

People are making fun of you dude. Just stop it, no need to ridicule yourself more.

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[Lavrentis]

4-6% is what is normal. There was one person who scored more, that was it.

He says that it exceeds 15%


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[Stears]

They were not Nordic, and this is impossible who lived in the Steppe areas to be Nordic.

Nordic types are mostly a result of cold areas, which steppes are not for sure.

However, Indo-Europeans from the "Corded Ware" for sure had a lot of Nordic examples.

I think they have mixed with the native Europeans.

[Gangrel]

He also keeps spreading lies about how much of Red Sea Cretans score


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A Cretan member here which I will not name (because you will abuse him and probably send him death threats) scores comparable or higher Red Sea to All-In. It isn't a 'myth'

[Lavrentis]

A Cretan member here which I will not name (because you will abuse him and probably send him death threats) scores comparable or higher Red Sea to All-In. It isn't a 'myth'

Retard, I have never abused anyone, nor sent death threats.


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[Marmara]

Is that why EVERY piece of literature from Greek, Albanian, Slavic as well as other European sourches depict Turks as hooked nosed armenoid asiatics, who would often abduct and kidnap women to rape them and upgrade their ugly race. Must be why you imported Circassian women as slaves who even to this day don't consider themselves Turks although they have been living in Turkey for generations. The vast majority of you look no different than your semitic neighbours in the south.

Armenoid? Lol. Turkic people have always been a mix of mongoloid and caucasoids, not armenoid. Armenoid was an Anatolian/Greek trait and was unknown by Turks before arrival to Anatolia. Both Khazars and Kipchaks are said to have white complexions with small mongoloid admixture by Arab sources.

[Hadouken]

A Cretan member here which I will not name (because you will abuse him and probably send him death threats) scores comparable or higher Red Sea to All-In. It isn't a 'myth'

why do you give me as example though ? I score only like 6%

[Lavrentis]

A Cretan member here which I will not name (because you will abuse him and probably send him death threats) scores comparable or higher Red Sea to All-In. It isn't a 'myth'

Also, Sikeliot says that it's way lower than what some of you pretend.


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[Gangrel]

Retard, I have never abused anyone.


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There is a first for everything

[Gangrel]

Also, Sikeliot says that it's way lower than what some of you pretend.


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I'm not the one saying it's Levantine level, but it is West Asian level

[Babak]

Probably more than armenians, but not more than greeks.

[Gangrel]

why do you give me as example though ? I score only like 6%

You are the most West Asian member I know lol

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I think they have mixed with the native Europeans.

Possible, but they lived northern from Yamnaya as well.

[Lavrentis]

I'm not the one saying it's Levantine level, but it is West Asian level

You simply gave one example. I remember Sikeliot posting two Greeks who clustered with Germans, so what? That doesn't make it common for all Greeks.


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[Hadouken]

You are the most West Asian member I know lol

hehe

but I score only 6% red sea . so if you have seen a cretan scoring similar he doesnt score much then because 6% is not much really

[Stears]

You simply gave one example. I remember Sikeliot posting two Greeks who clustered with Germans, so what? That doesn't make it common for all Greeks.


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It means the posted people weren't Greeks. It is impossible for ethnic Greek to be similar genetically to Germans...

[Gangrel]

You simply gave one example. I remember Sikeliot posting two Greeks who clustered with Germans, so what? That doesn't make it common for all Greeks.


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were those greeks cretans? stay on topic

and any greek who clusters with germans is obviously not fully greek lmao

[Lavrentis]

It means the posted people weren't Greeks. It is impossible for ethnic Greek to be similar genetically to Germans...

Ask Sikeliot, these people could be modeled as partly German


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[Lavrentis]

were those greeks cretans? stay on topic

and any greek who clusters with germans is obviously not fully greek lmao

It's not that they clustered with Germans, but they could be modeled as partly German. Ask Sikeliot for the thread


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[Sikeliot]

These are all of the Cretans I have results for on MDLP K15, and their top 20 populations. The Red Sea is nowhere near 10%.

#1:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.48
2 West_Med 17.4
3 West_Asian 16.1
4 Atlantic 14.2
5 Baltic 10.19
6 North_Sea 6.16
7 Eastern_Euro 4.54
8 Red_Sea 2.8
9 Northeast_African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 5.21
2 South_Italian 6.21
3 Greek 6.21
4 East_Sicilian 6.75
5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.93
6 Ashkenazi 8.55
7 West_Sicilian 8.9
8 Greek_Thessaly 9.69
9 Italian_Jewish 11.27
10 Sephardic_Jewish 11.29
11 Algerian_Jewish 11.92
12 Tuscan 12.78
13 Bulgarian 14.53
14 Tunisian_Jewish 14.95
15 Cyprian 15.13
16 Romanian 17.37
17 Libyan_Jewish 17.59
18 Turkish 18.04
19 North_Italian 18.66
20 Lebanese_Muslim 18.87



#2:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.88
2 West_Asian 18.24
3 West_Med 17.38
4 Atlantic 10.98
5 North_Sea 9.49
6 Baltic 7.9
7 Red_Sea 4.73
8 Oceanian 0.84
9 Sub-Saharan 0.4
10 Amerindian 0.11
11 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.5
2 Central_Greek 4.86
3 East_Sicilian 5.78
4 Ashkenazi 8.28
5 Italian_Abruzzo 8.36
6 Italian_Jewish 9.23
7 Sephardic_Jewish 9.97
8 West_Sicilian 10.34
9 Greek 10.79
10 Greek_Thessaly 10.79
11 Algerian_Jewish 10.9
12 Cyprian 12.71
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.28
14 Tuscan 14.1
15 Libyan_Jewish 14.66
16 Lebanese_Muslim 15.99
17 Turkish 16.4
18 Syrian 17.33
19 Bulgarian 17.95
20 Samaritan 19.83


#3:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.53
2 West_Asian 16.88
3 West_Med 15.32
4 Atlantic 11.64
5 North_Sea 8.51
6 Baltic 7.35
7 Eastern_Euro 5.54
8 Red_Sea 4.33
9 Oceanian 0.49
10 Amerindian 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 4.06
2 East_Sicilian 5.74
3 South_Italian 5.81
4 Ashkenazi 6.1
5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.38
6 Greek 8.42
7 West_Sicilian 9.26
8 Italian_Jewish 9.49
9 Sephardic_Jewish 9.75
10 Greek_Thessaly 9.77
11 Algerian_Jewish 10.98
12 Cyprian 13.06
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.4
14 Tuscan 13.7
15 Libyan_Jewish 15.16
16 Turkish 15.65
17 Bulgarian 15.8
18 Lebanese_Muslim 16.04
19 Syrian 17.44
20 Romanian 18.08



#4:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33
2 West_Asian 15.3
3 West_Med 14.05
4 Atlantic 13.85
5 Baltic 8.71
6 North_Sea 6.24
7 Red_Sea 3.53
8 Eastern_Euro 3.04
9 Southeast_Asian 0.98
10 Oceanian 0.89
11 Northeast_African 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 6.52
2 Central_Greek 7.17
3 East_Sicilian 7.9
4 Sephardic_Jewish 8.83
5 Ashkenazi 8.91
6 Italian_Jewish 9.06
7 Italian_Abruzzo 9.51
8 West_Sicilian 9.84
9 Algerian_Jewish 9.9
10 Greek 10.19
11 Tunisian_Jewish 11.65
12 Cyprian 12.14
13 Greek_Thessaly 12.65
14 Libyan_Jewish 14.78
15 Lebanese_Muslim 15.36
16 Tuscan 15.37
17 Turkish 16.94
18 Syrian 17.17
19 Bulgarian 17.87
20 Samaritan 18.99


#5:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.86
2 West_Asian 17.79
3 West_Med 17.12
4 Atlantic 10.14
5 Red_Sea 7.17
6 North_Sea 7.08
7 Baltic 6.46
8 Eastern_Euro 2.97
9 Oceanian 0.26
10 Siberian 0.14
11 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 5.12
2 Central_Greek 5.56
3 East_Sicilian 5.95
4 Ashkenazi 7
5 Sephardic_Jewish 7.6
6 Italian_Jewish 7.7
7 Algerian_Jewish 9.1
8 Italian_Abruzzo 9.28
9 Cyprian 10.06
10 West_Sicilian 10.59
11 Tunisian_Jewish 11.02
12 Greek 11.43
13 Greek_Thessaly 12.12
14 Libyan_Jewish 12.83
15 Lebanese_Muslim 13.63
16 Syrian 14.71
17 Turkish 15.26
18 Tuscan 15.41
19 Samaritan 17.12
20 Lebanese_Christian 18.27



#6:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.82
2 West_Med 16.12
3 West_Asian 13.69
4 Atlantic 9.82
5 North_Sea 9.82
6 Baltic 9.51
7 Eastern_Euro 4.95
8 Red_Sea 4.3
9 Oceanian 0.76
10 Southeast_Asian 0.64
11 Northeast_African 0.55
12 Siberian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 5.03
2 Ashkenazi 5.64
3 East_Sicilian 6.07
4 South_Italian 6.81
5 Greek 8
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.06
7 Italian_Abruzzo 8.68
8 West_Sicilian 9.55
9 Italian_Jewish 9.58
10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.78
11 Algerian_Jewish 10.94
12 Tuscan 13.49
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.88
14 Cyprian 14.31
15 Libyan_Jewish 14.49
16 Bulgarian 15.03
17 Romanian 17.33
18 Lebanese_Muslim 17.55
19 Turkish 18.38
20 Syrian 18.49



#7:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.96
2 West_Med 17.97
3 West_Asian 17.82
4 North_Sea 9.65
5 Atlantic 7.25
6 Baltic 4.76
7 Eastern_Euro 4.3
8 Red_Sea 3.7
9 Siberian 0.75
10 Oceanian 0.48
11 Northeast_African 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 7.63
2 Central_Greek 7.91
3 East_Sicilian 8.79
4 Italian_Jewish 9.09
5 Ashkenazi 9.31
6 Sephardic_Jewish 10.44
7 Cyprian 10.53
8 Algerian_Jewish 10.63
9 Italian_Abruzzo 11.48
10 West_Sicilian 12.66
11 Libyan_Jewish 12.8
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.89
13 Greek_Thessaly 13.1
14 Greek 13.31
15 Lebanese_Muslim 14.45
16 Syrian 15.96
17 Turkish 16.05
18 Tuscan 17.13
19 Samaritan 17.59
20 Lebanese_Christian 18.25


#8:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.55
2 West_Asian 17.55
3 West_Med 14.3
4 Atlantic 12
5 Red_Sea 8.54
6 Baltic 6.61
7 North_Sea 5.95
8 Eastern_Euro 1.48
9 Northeast_African 0.64
10 Oceanian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 6.04
2 South_Italian 6.39
3 East_Sicilian 7.31
4 Italian_Jewish 7.43
5 Central_Greek 7.63
6 Ashkenazi 8.12
7 Algerian_Jewish 8.71
8 Tunisian_Jewish 8.91
9 Cyprian 9.22
10 Italian_Abruzzo 10.21
11 West_Sicilian 11.12
12 Lebanese_Muslim 11.72
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.16
14 Syrian 12.93
15 Greek 12.99
16 Greek_Thessaly 14.2
17 Turkish 14.96
18 Samaritan 15.55
19 Jordanian 16.45
20 Tuscan 16.65

[Maintenance]

What counts as steppe?

[Hudayar]

even Turkmens are more "European" than Anatolian Greeks
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Turkmen-genetic-admixture.png

Mongoloid dna of each Turkmen
26.15%
27.78%
28.54%
16.64%
13.84%
14.22%
13.44%
12.61%
16.03%

[Gangrel]

Mongoloid dna of each Turkmen
26.15%
26%
28.54%
16.64%
13.84%
14.22%
13.44%
12.61%
16.03%

It's higher, you missed some components I think

I got 27.78 for Turkmen #2

[Hudayar]

It's higher, you missed some components I think

I got 27.78 for Turkmen #2

Oh yeah thank you very much

I think ancestral_altaic is not a mongoloid component so i didn't count it.

[Damião de Góis]

What counts as steppe?

Steppe means ancestry from Kazakhstan:

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/45/4445-004-B28F8D1A.jpg

[Maintenance]

Steppe means ancestry from Kazakhstan:

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/45/4445-004-B28F8D1A.jpg

I will see when i get home

[Gangrel]

Oh yeah thank you very much

I think ancestral_altaic is not a mongoloid component so i didn't count it.

its weird, im not sure if it is mongoloid or not

it might be a mixed component

[Hudayar]

even Turkmens are more "European" than Anatolian Greeks
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Turkmen-genetic-admixture.png

I combined Turkmen2's results with Rum_OA results and divided the combined results by 2
here are the results:
Amerindian: 0.39
Ancestral Altaic: 4.28
South Central Asian: 16.78
Arctic: 0.1
South Indian: 3.16
Australoid: 0.21
Austronesian: 0.46
Caucasian: 35.35
Archaic Human: 0.045
East African: 0.13
East Siberian: 3.01
European Early Farmers: 10.48
Khoisan: 0.39
Melano Polynesian: 0.45
Archaic African: 0.27
Near East: 8.99
North African: 2.19
Paleo Siberian: 0.09
african pygmy: 0.03
South East Asian: 2.32
Subsaharian: 0.025
Tungus Altaic: 4.78
European Hunter Gatherers: 6.03

[RN97]

even Turkmens are more "European" than Anatolian Greeks
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By what sort of measure? Greeks are far more European than Turks.

[Babak]

I combined Turkmen2's results with Rum_OA results and divided the combined results by 2
here are the results:
Amerindian: 0.39
Ancestral Altaic: 4.28
South Central Asian: 16.78
Arctic: 0.1
South Indian: 3.16
Australoid: 0.21
Austronesian: 0.46
Caucasian: 35.35
Archaic Human: 0.045
East African: 0.13
East Siberian: 3.01
European Early Farmers: 10.48
Khoisan: 0.39
Melano Polynesian: 0.45
Archaic African: 0.27
Near East: 8.99
North African: 2.19
Paleo Siberian: 0.09
african pygmy: 0.03
South East Asian: 2.32
Subsaharian: 0.025
Tungus Altaic: 4.78
European Hunter Gatherers: 6.03

Turkmens historically mixed with Indo-iranic nomads

[Hudayar]

By what sort of measure? Greeks are far more European than Turks.

Yamnaya

[RN97]

Yamnaya

I don't really think that's "European" because there are lots of Europeans that don't really have so much of it, but IDK really if Turks have more Yamnaya like ancestry since Yamnaya had significant amount of WHG that Greeks don't have a shitton of, but far more than Turks. Turks have virtually around double as little as Greeks.
Just look at this calc. that's better than most
Villabruna related= WHG and it also has ran some Yamnaya samples so you can compare. It has both Turkish and Greek samples;
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tFAa7oxWpcNN-OdMMjBdb4NeWKG7EkpKMzZJVW2_MME/edit#gid=1829029512

To me WHG is far more European than Yamnaya-like, but both are European to me. WHG would be more like this;
https://i.imgur.com/A7y3rF4.jpg
Yamnaya like this;
https://i.imgur.com/g6CvHuz.jpg
I guess if you think that alpine, borreby, brunn etc. is European you'd go for WHG. Yamnaya is more responsible for more gracile Nordish types.

[Hadouken]

so what is yamnaya signal on calculators

[Lavrentis]

I don't really think that's "European" because there are lots of Europeans that don't really have so much of it, but IDK really if Turks have more Yamnaya like ancestry since Yamnaya had significant amount of WHG that Greeks don't have a shitton of, but far more than Turks. Turks have virtually around double as little as Greeks.
Just look at this calc. that's better than most
Villabruna related= WHG and it also has ran some Yamnaya samples so you can compare. It has both Turkish and Greek samples;
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tFAa7oxWpcNN-OdMMjBdb4NeWKG7EkpKMzZJVW2_MME/edit#gid=1829029512

To me WHG is far more European than Yamnaya-like, but both are European to me. WHG would be more like this;
https://i.imgur.com/A7y3rF4.jpg
Yamnaya like this;
https://i.imgur.com/g6CvHuz.jpg
I guess if you think that alpine, borreby, brunn etc. is European you'd go for WHG. Yamnaya is more responsible for more gracile Nordish types.

Which Europeans have the most Yamnaya? And what is Yamnaya exactly?


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[Maintenance]

Whats near east?

[Hadouken]

lol everybody is confused

[Sikeliot]

I posted results showing Cretans have around 2-5% Red Sea on average, not the 10%+ claimed to be typical when it is not, and no one even responds or acknowledges it.

[Gangrel]

I posted results showing Cretans have around 2-5% Red Sea on average, not the 10%+ claimed to be typical when it is not, and no one even responds or acknowledges it.

'boo hoo give me attention'

[Sikeliot]

'boo hoo give me attention'

I don't want attention, I want people to stop making false claims.

[Babak]

Pamiris and yahgnobis are the most proto-indo european than any of those groups anyway.

[Lavrentis]

'boo hoo give me attention'

He simply said the truth


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[Gangrel]

He simply said the truth


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What is your point?

[Sikeliot]

What is your point?

That people should stop claiming something that is false.

[Lavrentis]

What is your point?

That Cretans don't score the Red Sea that is claimed by a Turkish user here


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[Babak]

Isn't it a bit surprising that Anatolian Greeks who speak an Indo European language score less Steppe European than Turks and Kurds? Steppe IE people brought IE languages to Europe and Iran/Old Central Asia

Dude, these people that migrated to native civilizations weren't that high in number. The Oghuz that migrated into modern day turkey were probably double than the proto-IE people that migrated to the near-east.

[gültekin]

By what sort of measure? Greeks are far more European than Turks.

The guy is talking about Anatolian Greeks. Is it really that difficult to understand? The averages labelled as Rum_OA and Rum_DK are Central Anatolian and Pontian Greeks, respectively. Anatolian Greeks have more Caucasus, Atlantic_Med and SW_Asian than Anatolian Turks, Anatolian Turks on the other hand have more Gedrosia, North European and of course East Eurasian (Siberian, East_Asian, SE_Asian).

I know one of those Central Anatolian Greeks from Anthrogenica.

[Danaan]

I don't believe IE languages expanded from the steppes in the Bronze Age and for me Yamnaya is largely irrelevant but apart from that

Yamnaya appears in calculators as NE European + Baloch / Gedrosian.
That is roughly equivalent to EHG and Iran Neolithic.

Some populations may have EHG and Iran Neolithic admixture from other sources and that makes Yamnaya admixture appear larger than what it actually is. (that's not about that thread in particular)

But concerning the first post, the Turks apart from the Siberian & East Asian admixture could have brought some extra Northern European & South Asian etc admixture (and in general whatever existed in the steppes at that time ).

So, I don't see any major problem with what he reports. (We should take into account movements from Balkans or elsewhere in Europe that post-date the arrival of Turks too though)

[gültekin]

By the way, Cretans have more Southwest_Asian and Northwest_African admixture than Anatolian Greeks.

Cretan:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.34
2 Atlantic_Med 22.09
3 Southwest_Asian 16.77
4 North_European 9.80
5 Gedrosia 8.20
6 Northwest_African 3.23

versus Central Anatolian Greeks (Rum_OA)
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0dUMNdy3zqc/WifxX-eiaNI/AAAAAAAAANo/yK08KAO3vm4_o3qz-NUOse7rS7o0JW81ACLcBGAs/s1600/dodok12b.png

[wvwvw]

By the way, Cretans have more Southwest_Asian and Northwest_African admixture than Anatolian Greeks.

Cretan:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.34
2 Atlantic_Med 22.09
3 Southwest_Asian 16.77
4 North_European 9.80
5 Gedrosia 8.20
6 Northwest_African 3.23

versus Central Anatolian Greeks (Rum_OA)
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0dUMNdy3zqc/WifxX-eiaNI/AAAAAAAAANo/yK08KAO3vm4_o3qz-NUOse7rS7o0JW81ACLcBGAs/s1600/dodok12b.png

The gypsy guy you have in your signature is what a VAST majority of Turks look like

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJaMICkW4AARF8E.jpg
common turkish phenotype

[gültekin]

This is how Yamnaya looks like on Dodecad K12b by the way.

https://i.hizliresim.com/1GANgN.png (https://hizliresim.com/1GANgN)

[gültekin]

Raine, you can shit blood as much as you want, I don't care. Cretans have 17% SW_Asian and 4% NW_African admixture, that's fucking huge considering their location.

[RN97]

The guy is talking about Anatolian Greeks. Is it really that difficult to understand? The averages labelled as Rum_OA and Rum_DK are Central Anatolian and Pontian Greeks, respectively. Anatolian Greeks have more Caucasus, Atlantic_Med and SW_Asian than Anatolian Turks, Anatolian Turks on the other hand have more Gedrosia, North European and of course East Eurasian (Siberian, East_Asian, SE_Asian).

I know one of those Central Anatolian Greeks from Anthrogenica.

I understand that dickhead, but even they should be closer to Europeans than Turks. A lot of you guys have this retarded standard that only Scandinavians and especially Finns are Europeans. Post Eurogenes K15, that's the golden standard calc. for Europe and also atlantic_med is actually European, Gedrosia is not. Caucasus is also something Yanmaya would probably score a bit of if that's the standard for Europeaness somehow.

[Stears]

I guess if you think that alpine, borreby, brunn etc. is European you'd go for WHG. Yamnaya is more responsible for more gracile Nordish types.

Hahahaha, idiot Romani-an!

Yamnaya were swarthy as hell. what nordic types are your fantasizing about ?

[Stears]

Physical characteristics[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yamna_culture&action=edit&section=8)]The genetic basis of a number of physical features of the Yamnaya people were ascertained by the ancient DNA study conducted by Haak et al. (2015), Wilde et al. (2014), Mathieson et al. (2015): they were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown), dark-haired and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture#cite_note-Wilde-26)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture#cite_note-FOOTNOTEMathieson2015-5)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture

[Stears]

Stop connecting Indo-European Gypos with european look, ok ?

[gültekin]

I understand that dickhead, but even they should be closer to Europeans than Turks. A lot of you guys have this retarded standard that only Scandinavians and especially Finns are Europeans. Post Eurogenes K15, that's the golden standard calc. for Europe and also atlantic_med is actually European, Gedrosia is not. Caucasus is also something Yanmaya would probably score a bit of if that's the standard for Europeaness somehow.

Ugly piece of shit, who the fuck cares if they are more "European," can you even read? What we call "steppe" is not European, it's a mix of CHG/Iran_Neolithic like people and Eastern_Hunter_Gatherers. Europeans mostly descend from pre-Yamnaya people. So shut the fuck up. No one gives a fuck about being "European" here.

[gültekin]

This fucking ginger is annoying.

[RN97]

Hahahaha, idiot Romani-an!

Yamnaya were swarthy as hell. what nordic types are your fantasizing about ?

You're the idiot. Most Yamanya are believed to be darker-ish or equal to modern Europeans, but their predecessors such as Andronovo were majority light haired. It's still unclear as science has not come so far as to fully determine this.

[Token]

You can't measure Steppe ancestry accurately using these amateur calculators.

[Stears]

You're the idiot. Most Yamanya are believed to be darker-ish or equal to modern Europeans, but their predecessors such as Andronovo were majority light haired. It's still unclear as science has not come so far as to fully determine this.

and you forget to mention the ''light'' andronovo culture was brutally mongoloid admixed . they were not white.

[RN97]

Ugly piece of shit, who the fuck cares if they are more "European," can you even read? What we call "steppe" is not European, it's mix of CHG/Iran_Neolithic like people and Eastern_Hunter_Gatherers. Europeans mostly descend from pre-Yamnaya people. So shut the fuck up. No one gives a fuck about being "European" here.

I wouldn't call anyone ugly being a middle aged fat, short and stumpy swarthoid with a downie look, but I don't think you should be getting so mad. The thread is about "steppe European" DNA so yeah, it is about being more European.
Firstly you're wrong because Europeans are on average equidistant or likely closer genetically to Yamnaya than we're to WHG. What people call "steppe" varies, but clearly your definition is Yamnya like;

it's mix of CHG/Iran_Neolithic like people and Eastern_Hunter_Gatherers.
The common link with Turks and Yamnaya is south Asian and west-Asian or CHG (if you wish) admixture. No one today is like the Yamnaya, but if anyone would be close it would be northeastern Europeans and north Caucasus people. The average Turk is not closer to the average Yamnya compared to the average Greek. None of those two ethnic groups are anywhere near it's even hard to quantify exactly who would be closer. Either way the link is clearly different. West Asian/ CHG which is more like Turks and EHG which is more like Greeks.

[RN97]

and you forget to mention the ''light'' andronovo culture was brutally mongoloid admixed . they were not white.

What source claims they're "brutally" mongoloid admixed? Not even Yamnaya had significant mongoloid admixture.

[RN97]

Can any women here tell me how beautiful this Turkish Yamnnaya steppe warrior is??
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?42706-Members-Pictures-Thread-II&p=4275456#post4275456

[Leto]

What source claims they're "brutally" mongoloid admixed? Not even Yamnaya had significant mongoloid admixture.
The Bronze age Eurasian cultures were fully caucasoid. The Indo-Iranians were white, I think.

[Oko Sokolovo]

From which we know, Andronovo culture was mongoloid admixed, but the question would be; "How much?"

[Stears]

What source claims they're "brutally" mongoloid admixed? Not even Yamnaya had significant mongoloid admixture.

so the culture on border with China was pure european ? hahaha :))))))

[Danaan]

Imo, Andronovo people spoke Turkic. Yamnaya a language related to Hurrian & Urartian or even Elamite.

[Stears]

Imo, Andronovo people spoke Turkic. Yamnaya a language related to Hurrian & Urartian or even Elamite.

Blogen claims they were Hungarians ancestors....I think, he has eastern European R1a haplogroup and that is why he try to connect Hungarian people to this weird ancient culture

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Blogen claims they were Hungarians ancestors....I think, he has eastern European R1a haplogroup and that is why he try to connect Hungarian people to this weird ancient culture

What's wrong with the eastern branch R1a-Z280 (Balto-Slavic) ??

[Stears]

What's wrong with the eastern branch R1a-Z280 (Balto-Slavic) ??

It is not only ''balto-slavic''. most Hungarian scientists believe majority of ancient Hungarians belong to this haplogroup, and Blogen support this hypotesis too.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

What Steras wants to say now? That Balto-Slavs are related to Andronovo culture, or what?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

It is not only ''balto-slavic''. most Hungarian scientist believe majority of anicent Hungarians belong to this haplogroup, and Blogen support this hypotesis too.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2cp9311.png

[Stears]

What Steras wants to say now? That Balto-Slavs are related to Andronovo culture, or what?

No. Blogen claims Hungarians related to that.
he doesn't believe in IE Kurgan theory

[Vlatko Vukovic]

No. Blogen claims Hungarians related to that.
he doesn't believe in IE Kurgan theory

His opinion is not very relevant here, he is not in discussion, at least for now.

[RN97]

so the culture on border with China was pure european ? hahaha :))))))

That proves nothing and what is your standard of "pure European" . They've been classified by anthropoloigsts of displaying caucasoid features. The mongs actually pushed the caucasoids out of central Asia or mixed with them. At a point it was not ridiculous to have a Euro-like population bordering modern China. Likely the population of present-day Kazakhstan was Caucasoid during the Bronze/Iron Age period. They also look European, just google "Yamnaya reconstruction". They might look a bit more eastern than the average European today, but still.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I posted map, which can explain some things.

[gültekin]

I wouldn't call anyone ugly being a middle aged fat, short and stumpy swarthoid with a downie look, but I don't think you should be getting so mad. The thread is about "steppe European" DNA so yeah, it is about being more European.
Firstly you're wrong because Europeans are on average equidistant or likely closer genetically to Yamnaya than we're to WHG. What people call "steppe" varies, but clearly your definition is Yamnya like;

Stop fapping to two dimensional PCAs you ginger orangutan, they are extremely misleading. Not even the 3D ones are 100% accurate. Yamnaya was 50% EHG %50 CHG which means modern Europeans are mostly neolithic + mesolithic, "Steppe European" here stands for Yamnaya, so get the fuck out of here already. LOL at the word "swarthoid", I would rather be swarthy than a ginger orangutan with pinkish skin.

[gültekin]

Likely the population of present-day Kazakhstan was Caucasoid during the Bronze/Iron Age period
No it was not, have you not seen the Scythian samples from Kazakhstan? They were Eurasians.

Zevakino-Chilikta, Kazakhstan, Ismailovo [Is2], M, 900-700 BC

http://i.hizliresim.com/X0obgO.png

[Vlatko Vukovic]

No it was not, have you not seen the Scythian samples from Kazakhstan? They were Eurasians.

Zevakino-Chilikta, Kazakhstan, Ismailovo [Is2], M, 900-700 BC

http://i.hizliresim.com/X0obgO.png

They were Iranian Eurasians. But it's just wrong to say that they are related exclusively to Turkics.

[gültekin]

I can't believe there are still those who think Scythians were Caucasoid LOL. No they were NOT. They were Eurasians.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I can't believe there are still those who think Scythians were Caucasoid LOL. No they were NOT. They were Eurasians.

I didn't say that Scythians were Caucasoid. I said that they were not exclusively related to modern Turkic people.

Sarmatians were mostly Caucasoid. (as a western branch of Scythians).

[Hadouken]

I can't believe there are still those who think Scythians were Caucasoid LOL. No they were NOT. They were Eurasians.

what do you think of the we wuz scythianz n shiet calculator I made a thread about ? do you think the scythian sample there is legit and do you think I wuz scythianz n shiet as it says ? lol

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?209294-Post-Iran-Neolithic-K6-Calculator-results

[gültekin]

They were Iranian Eurasians. But it's just wrong to say that they are related exclusively to Turkics.

There is still no linguistic info about most of those Scythian tribes, "Scythian" was likely a generic term for Eurasian Steppe Nomads. Many of them were probably not related to each other. For years Euro-centrists depicted Pazyryk culture as "Europid" but turned out they were predominantly East Eurasian with Y-DNA haplogroup N1b.

https://i.hizliresim.com/jQ7X9n.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/jQ7X9n)

[gültekin]

what do you think of the we wuz scythianz n shiet calculator I made a thread about ? do you think the scythian sample there is legit and do you think I wuz scythianz n shiet as it says ? lol

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?209294-Post-Iran-Neolithic-K6-Calculator-results

Extremely accurate bro.

[Hadouken]

Extremely accurate bro.

do I smell sarcasm ? :D

be serious please

[Vlatko Vukovic]

There is still no linguistic info about most of those Scythian tribes, "Scythian" was likely a generic term for Eurasian Steppe Nomads. Many of them were probably not related to each other. For years Euro-centrists depicted Pazyryk culture as "Europid" but turned out they were predominantly East Eurasian with Y-DNA haplogroup N1b.

https://i.hizliresim.com/jQ7X9n.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/jQ7X9n)

Pazyryk culture also is mostly probably just one of the cultures of Scythians. They were different between each others. But Sarmatians were especially different from the other Scythians.

[RN97]

Stop fapping to two dimensional PCAs you ginger orangutan, they are extremely misleading. Not even the 3D ones are 100% accurate. Yamnaya was 50% EHG %50 CHG which means modern Europeans are mostly neolithic + mesolithic, "Steppe European" here stands for Yamnaya, so get the fuck out of here already. LOL at the word "swarthoid", I would rather be swarthy than a ginger orangutan with pinkish skin.

lol, dude you look like a friggin' toad just stop talking about looks seriously. Firstly you claim that 2d PCA plots are somehow extremely misleading which might be true (I doubt they are extremely misleading, even if they might be somewhat lacking), however you provide no reason or source so I might as well have heard it for a toddler. You neither elaborate on what "misleading" means in this context.

modern Europeans are mostly neolithic + mesolithic
means jack shit since you didn't specify what you mean by "neolithic" or what you mean by "Mesolithic" SHG is believe to have been half EHG and eastern Europeans are highly related to EHG, so how is there "no relation" or whatever you're trying to convey. Yamnaya is a lot more related to Europeans than Turks the only other people that can stake a claim on Yamnya as much as Europeans are probably some north caucasians because as you said yourself dumbass;

Yamnaya was 50% EHG %50 CHG
EHG was European, they probably looked similar to Europeans etc.
Also not relevant, but what's with you retards not being able to tell the difference between light brown and ginger hair. Are you damn blind?

[Babak]

lol, dude you look like a friggin' toad just stop talking about looks seriously. Firstly you claim that 2d PCA plots are somehow extremely misleading which might be true (I doubt they are extremely misleading, even if they might be somewhat lacking), however you provide no reason or source so I might as well have heard it for a toddler. You neither elaborate on what "misleading" means in this context.

means jack shit since you didn't specify what you mean by "neolithic" or what you mean by "Mesolithic" SHG is believe to have been half EHG and eastern Europeans are highly related to EHG, so how is there "no relation" or whatever you're trying to convey. Yamnaya is a lot more related to Europeans than Turks the only other people that can stake a claim on Yamnya as much as Europeans are probably some north caucasians because as you said yourself dumbass;

EHG was European, they probably looked similar to Europeans etc.
Also not relevant, but what's with you retards not being able to tell the difference between light brown and ginger hair. Are you damn blind?

Turks have more direct Proto-IE blood than modern day euros however tbh

[Nilotik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyFQVZ2h0V8

[Hudayar]

Lol'd at Greeks who downvoted my comments

[Lavrentis]

By the way, Cretans have more Southwest_Asian and Northwest_African admixture than Anatolian Greeks.

Cretan:

#PopulationPercent
1Caucasus39.34
2Atlantic_Med22.09
3Southwest_Asian16.77
4North_European9.80
5Gedrosia8.20
6Northwest_African3.23

versus Central Anatolian Greeks (Rum_OA)
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0dUMNdy3zqc/WifxX-eiaNI/AAAAAAAAANo/yK08KAO3vm4_o3qz-NUOse7rS7o0JW81ACLcBGAs/s1600/dodok12b.png

That's just one example. I remember a Turk trying to demonstrate something similar but the 'Cretan' he had posted was half Cypriot.


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[Voskos]

Turks still trolling us Cretans, interesting. I hope my oracle will not trigger you then:

1 Sicilian 5.29
2 Jew_Ashkenazi 6.61
3 Jew_Moroccan 7.94
4 Italian_South 8.88
5 Greek 9.53
6 Cypriot 10.37
7 Turkish 12.14
8 Albanian 12.17
9 Turkish_Istanbul 12.27
10 Jew_Tunisian 13.38
11 Jew_Libyan 13.79
12 Turkish_Adana 14.61
13 Turkish_Balekesir 14.82
14 Turkish_Kayseri 15.05
15 Turkish_Aydin 15.38
16 Lebanese 16.32
17 Bulgarian 17.02
18 Turkish_Trabzon 18.4
19 Druze 18.89
20 Armenian 19.76

[Hamlet]

Turks still trolling us Cretans, interesting. I hope my oracle will not trigger you then:

1 Sicilian 5.29
2 Jew_Ashkenazi 6.61
3 Jew_Moroccan 7.94
4 Italian_South 8.88
5 Greek 9.53
6 Cypriot 10.37
7 Turkish 12.14
8 Albanian 12.17
9 Turkish_Istanbul 12.27
10 Jew_Tunisian 13.38
11 Jew_Libyan 13.79
12 Turkish_Adana 14.61
13 Turkish_Balekesir 14.82
14 Turkish_Kayseri 15.05
15 Turkish_Aydin 15.38
16 Lebanese 16.32
17 Bulgarian 17.02
18 Turkish_Trabzon 18.4
19 Druze 18.89
20 Armenian 19.76

Shalom :jew:

[Voskos]

Shalom :jew:

Shalom brother.

[Kouros]

If I see this pug-faced mongoloid shitstain claim descent from Scythians one more time I will lose it. Turkey and Germany need to be IP-banned from this fucking site.

[Bornoz]

Turks still trolling us Cretans, interesting. I hope my oracle will not trigger you then:

1 Sicilian 5.29
2 Jew_Ashkenazi 6.61
3 Jew_Moroccan 7.94
4 Italian_South 8.88
5 Greek 9.53
6 Cypriot 10.37
7 Turkish 12.14
8 Albanian 12.17
9 Turkish_Istanbul 12.27
10 Jew_Tunisian 13.38
11 Jew_Libyan 13.79
12 Turkish_Adana 14.61
13 Turkish_Balekesir 14.82
14 Turkish_Kayseri 15.05
15 Turkish_Aydin 15.38
16 Lebanese 16.32
17 Bulgarian 17.02
18 Turkish_Trabzon 18.4
19 Druze 18.89
20 Armenian 19.76

Bro mou <3

[gültekin]

If I see this pug-faced mongoloid shitstain claim descent from Scythians one more time I will lose it. Turkey and Germany need to be IP-banned from this fucking site.

Stick this up your ass, afro haired semi-nigger.
http://s18.postimg.org/4411ruzm1/usanin2.png

[Lavrentis]

If I see this pug-faced mongoloid shitstain claim descent from Scythians one more time I will lose it. Turkey and Germany need to be IP-banned from this fucking site.

What is wrong with Germany in this site? There's not even one German member here.


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[Vlatko Vukovic]

What is wrong with Germany in this site? There's not even one German member here.


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Maybe he means Turks from Germany.

[Kouros]

Stick this up your ass, afro haired semi-nigger.
http://s18.postimg.org/4411ruzm1/usanin2.png

If you're serious: hang yourself

If you're joking with this post: hang yourself anyway

[Lavrentis]

If you're serious: hang yourself

If you're joking with this post: hang yourself anyway

Ignore that retard


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[Kouros]

What is wrong with Germany in this site? There's not even one German member here.

These people can't stay in there own countries. I don't blame them, I would become genocidal if I shared a country with subhumans like Bori and Guletkin.

[Pennywise]

If you're serious: hang yourself

If you're joking with this post: hang yourself anyway

Anyone who has IQ above 60 would understood what he has just posted. But as an Afro haired Island nigger, I wouldn't expect from you that. His Y-DNA is matching with the Scythian Pazyryk sample, you can very well stick that result up in your hairy Greek ass.

[Kouros]

His Y-DNA is matching with the Scythian Pazyryk sample, you can very well stick that result up in your hairy Greek ass.

OMG....

UNDENIABLE PROOF THAT OWD TURKS ARE NOT ONLY WHITE BUT SCYTHIAN.

I'M SURE SOON FRACTAL WILL POST HIS R1A HAPLOGROUP AS PROOF THAT HE IS INDEED AN ARYAN...

THANKS DUDE... YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF DNA & POPULATION GENETICS IS IMPECCABLE.

[Lavrentis]

"My Y-DNA matches that of the Scythians you island nigger"

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[gültekin]

"My Y-DNA matches that of the Scythians you island nigger"

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171209/3427abb3df0a3eb04991e9b9f139f85b.png

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I use ethnic Cretan photos to mock your afro haired Hellenized semitic people, you on the other hand have to use non ethnic Turks to mock my people.



How can anyone with such features can be a white supremacist/Nordicist? LOL


Cretans are the result of an orgy between North Africans, Lebanese and Sicilians. Emirate of Crete stronk. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218751-Emirate-of-Crete-and-its-genetic-impact-on-the-island

https://i.hizliresim.com/DdzLb6.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ELRDXmuqtCk/hqdefault.jpg
https://routaki.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Cretan-wedding-photo-by-Tsatsas-Art-Studio.jpg
http://images.tournet.gr/photos/0000/9042094_0.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/1g1D1B.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/1g1D1B)
https://i.hizliresim.com/MvNgz9.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/MvNgz9)
https://i.hizliresim.com/7N9Mpa.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/7N9Mpa)
http://pancretan.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/caption_7060_10791839392-600x400.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/G06oNN.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/G06oNN)
https://i.hizliresim.com/JlR5WE.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/d6/42/f1d64295f29e94694eda46db77f60bb8.jpg
http://www.da-giorgio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/crete-dancers.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/dGQ6JV.png[/QUOTE]

[Pennywise]

OMG....

UNDENIABLE PROOF THAT OWD TURKS ARE NOT ONLY WHITE BUT SCYTHIAN.

I'M SURE SOON FRACTAL WILL POST HIS R1A HAPLOGROUP AS PROOF THAT HE IS INDEED AN ARYAN...

THANKS DUDE... YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF DNA & POPULATION GENETICS IS IMPECCABLE.

Who said Turks are "white" you dumb ass? Eastern Scyhians weren't "white" either as they were %50 East Eurasian genetically and closer to the modern Turkic populations than any other people. Modern Turks have also significant Central/East Asian DNA and Y-DNA of many Turks also proves there is a genetic connection too. You just got your ass burned by the facts and now start shit posting as usual.

[Petalpusher]

It's very possible about the op statement, but depends exactly what is considered "Steppe". Turks likely have more ANE but less western eurasian mesolithic.



Physical characteristics[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yamna_culture&action=edit§ion=8)]The genetic basis of a number of physical features of the Yamnaya people were ascertained by the ancient DNA study conducted by Haak et al. (2015), Wilde et al. (2014), Mathieson et al. (2015): they were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown), dark-haired and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture#cite_note-Wilde-26)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture#cite_note-FOOTNOTEMathieson2015-5)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture




This is known for a long time, Yamnaya didn't particularly have "light features". They had white skin but at the time of the Bronze Age, everybody had it for a few thousands years, it was nothing special at this point, and by white skin they mean, something even more MENA white than Europe white by present standards. Some of the depigmentation was a selection process that happened around the eneolithic/BA, which doesn't mean it's necessarily linked to people we arbitrarly associate with that time era. Not that it says anything really relevant about Yamnaya either, they were still a north Eurasian group, just not looking as Rethel's fairy tales depict them and the constant tornado of misinformations around here.


Eye, hair, and skin pigmentation are highly variable in humans, particularly in western Eurasian populations. This diversity may be explained by population history, the relaxation of selection pressures, or positive selection. To investigate whether positive natural selection is responsible for depigmentation within Europe, we estimated the strength of selection acting on three genes known to have significant effects on human pigmentation. In a direct approach, these estimates were made using ancient DNA from prehistoric Europeans and computer simulations. This allowed us to determine selection coefficients for a precisely bounded period in the deep past. Our results indicate that strong selection has been operating on pigmentation-related genes within western Eurasia for the past 5,000 y.


http://www.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832.full

[Lavrentis]

I use ethnic Cretan photos to mock your afro haired Hellenized semitic people, you on the other hand have to use non ethnic Turks to mock my people.



How can anyone with such features can be a white supremacist/Nordicist? LOL


Cretans are the result of an orgy between North Africans, Lebanese and Sicilians. Emirate of Crete stronk. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218751-Emirate-of-Crete-and-its-genetic-impact-on-the-island

https://i.hizliresim.com/DdzLb6.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ELRDXmuqtCk/hqdefault.jpg
https://routaki.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Cretan-wedding-photo-by-Tsatsas-Art-Studio.jpg
http://images.tournet.gr/photos/0000/9042094_0.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/1g1D1B.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/1g1D1B)
https://i.hizliresim.com/MvNgz9.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/MvNgz9)
https://i.hizliresim.com/7N9Mpa.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/7N9Mpa)
http://pancretan.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/caption_7060_10791839392-600x400.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/G06oNN.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/G06oNN)
https://i.hizliresim.com/JlR5WE.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/d6/42/f1d64295f29e94694eda46db77f60bb8.jpg
http://www.da-giorgio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/crete-dancers.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/dGQ6JV.png[/QUOTE]

Again you use non fully Cretans, the 5th guy is half Afro-Latino and the 7th guy is Anatolian. And where is the guy I posted from? Looks like your average Turk


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[gültekin]

Cretan autosomal DNA. Fucking Semites with nordicist ideologies LOL

Cretan autosomal DNA:

Dodecad K12b

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.34
2 Atlantic_Med 22.09
3 Southwest_Asian 16.77
4 North_European 9.80
5 Gedrosia 8.20
6 Northwest_African 3.23


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 7.135999
2 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 8.332590
3 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 8.660741
4 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 10.004908
5 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 10.682605
6 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 11.635670
7 Cypriots_Behar @ 11.789373
8 Lebanese_Behar @ 14.422299
9 Greek_Dodecad @ 14.919506
10 Turkish_Dodecad @ 15.111314
11 Turks_Behar @ 17.429171
12 Syrians_Behar @ 17.668928
13 Druze_HGDP @ 17.840782
14 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 18.586897
15 Jordanians_Behar @ 19.189835
16 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 20.740993
17 Palestinian_HGDP @ 21.009481
18 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 21.943529
19 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.954473
20 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 22.471941

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Druze_HGDP +50% O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.851327


Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.44
2 West_Asian 19.62
3 West_Med 14.88
4 Atlantic 9.94
5 North_Sea 9.05
6 Red_Sea 6.53
7 Eastern_Euro 1.65
8 Baltic 1.52


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cyprian @ 8.867983
2 Italian_Jewish @ 9.455449
3 Sephardic_Jewish @ 9.509411
4 South_Italian @ 10.538556
5 Tunisian_Jewish @ 11.081727
6 Algerian_Jewish @ 11.493864
7 Lebanese_Muslim @ 11.667982
8 Libyan_Jewish @ 12.384988
9 Central_Greek @ 12.629702
10 East_Sicilian @ 12.730501
11 Ashkenazi @ 13.706054
12 Syrian @ 13.782309
13 Italian_Abruzzo @ 15.242478
14 Samaritan @ 16.090847
15 West_Sicilian @ 16.446417
16 Lebanese_Christian @ 16.548937
17 Turkish @ 16.930298
18 Jordanian @ 17.486563
19 Assyrian @ 17.576880
20 Lebanese_Druze @ 17.679707

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.452662

[gültekin]

Again you use non fully Cretans, the 5th guy is half Afro-Latino and the 7th guy is Anatolian. And where is the guy I posted from? Looks like your average Turk


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All of them are ethnic Cretans, afro haired east mad faggot. Why are you so fucking ashamed of your own people?

[Kouros]

"My Y-DNA matches that of the Scythians you island nigger"

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171209/3427abb3df0a3eb04991e9b9f139f85b.png

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GUYS R1A IS TURKIC HAPLOGROUP... VALHALLA IS TURKISH PAGAN HEAVEN...

GIVE US GERMAN PASSPORT WE ARE ONE OF YOU !

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/D8TP5Y/paris-france-crowd-of-turkish-people-protesting-against-turkish-government-D8TP5Y.jpg

[Lavrentis]

Cretan autosomal DNA. Fucking Semites with nordicist ideologies LOL

Cretan autosomal DNA:

Dodecad K12b

#PopulationPercent
1Caucasus39.34
2Atlantic_Med22.09
3Southwest_Asian16.77
4North_European9.80
5Gedrosia8.20
6Northwest_African3.23


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 7.135999
2 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 8.332590
3 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 8.660741
4 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 10.004908
5 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 10.682605
6 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 11.635670
7 Cypriots_Behar @ 11.789373
8 Lebanese_Behar @ 14.422299
9 Greek_Dodecad @ 14.919506
10 Turkish_Dodecad @ 15.111314
11 Turks_Behar @ 17.429171
12 Syrians_Behar @ 17.668928
13 Druze_HGDP @ 17.840782
14 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 18.586897
15 Jordanians_Behar @ 19.189835
16 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 20.740993
17 Palestinian_HGDP @ 21.009481
18 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 21.943529
19 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.954473
20 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 22.471941

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Druze_HGDP +50% O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.851327


Eurogenes K15:

#PopulationPercent
1East_Med36.44
2West_Asian19.62
3West_Med14.88
4Atlantic9.94
5North_Sea9.05
6Red_Sea6.53
7Eastern_Euro1.65
8Baltic1.52


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cyprian @ 8.867983
2 Italian_Jewish @ 9.455449
3 Sephardic_Jewish @ 9.509411
4 South_Italian @ 10.538556
5 Tunisian_Jewish @ 11.081727
6 Algerian_Jewish @ 11.493864
7 Lebanese_Muslim @ 11.667982
8 Libyan_Jewish @ 12.384988
9 Central_Greek @ 12.629702
10 East_Sicilian @ 12.730501
11 Ashkenazi @ 13.706054
12 Syrian @ 13.782309
13 Italian_Abruzzo @ 15.242478
14 Samaritan @ 16.090847
15 West_Sicilian @ 16.446417
16 Lebanese_Christian @ 16.548937
17 Turkish @ 16.930298
18 Jordanian @ 17.486563
19 Assyrian @ 17.576880
20 Lebanese_Druze @ 17.679707

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.452662

Cretans are not Nordicists and as I have told you, you need to prove that the people you post are native Cretans. Sikeliot has posted a lot of Cretans and most of them got Central Greece and South Italians as their top matches


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[Lavrentis]

All of them are ethnic Cretans you shameless afro haired east mad faggot. Why are you so fucking ashamed of your own people? Disgusting Semitic piece of shit.

Retard, I come from the same city as the 5th guy and the 7th guy has a surname that ends with -dis, which is common among Anatolians. Stop lying


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[Pennywise]

"My Y-DNA matches that of the Scythians you island nigger"



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Nordic Greeks in defence of White Europe as usual

https://i.hizliresim.com/7yGBAN.png

[Kouros]

Why are you so fucking ashamed of your own people?

SAYS THE TURK CLAIMING HE IS SCYTHIAN...

[Lavrentis]

Nordic Greeks in defence of white Europe as usual

https://i.hizliresim.com/7yGBAN.png

Who said that Greeks are Nordic or that we are defending Europe. Btw, the 'ancient Greek' plate is actually an Egyptian you fucking retard


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[Lavrentis]

SAYS THE TURK CLAIMING HE IS SCYTHIAN...

I'm not ashamed of anyone btw, it's just that the people he posts are not native or fully native


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[gültekin]

Cretans are not Nordicists and as I have told you, you need to prove that the people you post are native Cretans. Sikeliot has posted a lot of Cretans and most of them got Central Greece and South Italians as their top matches


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Sikeliot is famous for cherrypicking "north-shifted" Greeks. Your people score %17 SW_Asian for God's sake, you are almost Levantines. You have even JORDANIANS in your top 20 list LOL.


Dodecad K12b

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.34
2 Atlantic_Med 22.09
3 Southwest_Asian 16.77
4 North_European 9.80
5 Gedrosia 8.20
6 Northwest_African 3.23


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 7.135999
2 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 8.332590
3 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 8.660741
4 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 10.004908
5 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 10.682605
6 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 11.635670
7 Cypriots_Behar @ 11.789373
8 Lebanese_Behar @ 14.422299
9 Greek_Dodecad @ 14.919506
10 Turkish_Dodecad @ 15.111314
11 Turks_Behar @ 17.429171
12 Syrians_Behar @ 17.668928
13 Druze_HGDP @ 17.840782
14 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 18.586897
15 Jordanians_Behar @ 19.189835
16 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 20.740993
17 Palestinian_HGDP @ 21.009481
18 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 21.943529
19 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.954473
20 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 22.471941

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Druze_HGDP +50% O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.851327


https://i.hizliresim.com/DdzLb6.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ELRDXmuqtCk/hqdefault.jpg
https://routaki.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Cretan-wedding-photo-by-Tsatsas-Art-Studio.jpg
http://images.tournet.gr/photos/0000/9042094_0.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/1g1D1B.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/1g1D1B)
https://i.hizliresim.com/MvNgz9.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/MvNgz9)
https://i.hizliresim.com/7N9Mpa.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/7N9Mpa)
http://pancretan.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/caption_7060_10791839392-600x400.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/G06oNN.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/G06oNN)
https://i.hizliresim.com/JlR5WE.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/d6/42/f1d64295f29e94694eda46db77f60bb8.jpg
http://www.da-giorgio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/crete-dancers.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/dGQ6JV.png

[Lavrentis]

Sikeliot is famous for cherrypicking "north-shifted" Greeks. Your people score %17 SW_Asian for God's sake, you are almost Levantines. You have even JORDANIANS in your top 20 list LOL.


Dodecad K12b

#PopulationPercent
1Caucasus39.34
2Atlantic_Med22.09
3Southwest_Asian16.77
4North_European9.80
5Gedrosia8.20
6Northwest_African3.23


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 7.135999
2 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 8.332590
3 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 8.660741
4 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 10.004908
5 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 10.682605
6 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 11.635670
7 Cypriots_Behar @ 11.789373
8 Lebanese_Behar @ 14.422299
9 Greek_Dodecad @ 14.919506
10 Turkish_Dodecad @ 15.111314
11 Turks_Behar @ 17.429171
12 Syrians_Behar @ 17.668928
13 Druze_HGDP @ 17.840782
14 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 18.586897
15 Jordanians_Behar @ 19.189835
16 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 20.740993
17 Palestinian_HGDP @ 21.009481
18 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 21.943529
19 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.954473
20 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 22.471941

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Druze_HGDP +50% O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.851327


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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ELRDXmuqtCk/hqdefault.jpg
https://routaki.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Cretan-wedding-photo-by-Tsatsas-Art-Studio.jpg
http://images.tournet.gr/photos/0000/9042094_0.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/1g1D1B.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/1g1D1B)
https://i.hizliresim.com/MvNgz9.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/MvNgz9)
https://i.hizliresim.com/7N9Mpa.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/7N9Mpa)
http://pancretan.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/caption_7060_10791839392-600x400.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/G06oNN.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/G06oNN)
https://i.hizliresim.com/JlR5WE.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/d6/42/f1d64295f29e94694eda46db77f60bb8.jpg
http://www.da-giorgio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/crete-dancers.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/dGQ6JV.png

Again with the lies? Since when do Cretans score 17 SW Asian?

I really need to find the Cretans that Sikeliot posted. At least he proved that they're Cretans, unlike you


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[gültekin]

Again with the lies? Since when do Cretans score 17 SW Asian?

I really need to find the Cretans that Sikeliot posted. At least he proved that they're Cretans, unlike you


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The result I've posted is from Sikeliot's thread, what a clueless faggot ;) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?195442-Cretans-Aegean-islanders-Sicilians-in-terms-of-quot-N-Euro-quot-and-quot-SW-Asian-quot-affinity


You score up to 17% SW Asian, deal with it, you are Hellenized Afro-Semites..

[Lavrentis]

The result I've posted is from Sikeliot's thread, what a clueless faggot ;) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?195442-Cretans-Aegean-islanders-Sicilians-in-terms-of-quot-N-Euro-quot-and-quot-SW-Asian-quot-affinity


You score up to 17% SW Asian, deal with it, you are Hellenized Afro-Semites..

And where are his matches?


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[Lavrentis]

The result I've posted is from Sikeliot's thread, what a clueless faggot ;) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?195442-Cretans-Aegean-islanders-Sicilians-in-terms-of-quot-N-Euro-quot-and-quot-SW-Asian-quot-affinity


You score up to 17% SW Asian, deal with it, you are Hellenized Afro-Semites..

I'm from a cell-phone and his top matches don't appear


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[Kouros]

I'm not ashamed of anyone btw, it's just that the people he posts are not native or fully native



I don't care if they are or aren't. I just want to know if the medieval historical account is true that these people are Egyptians, in which case yeah, castrate them. But they make up like less than 1% of the islands looks anyway from what I've seen. I have Cretan friends here in Canada and they look the same as mainlanders. Full Pontians/Anatolians here can pass in Central Europe even which might surprise you.

[gültekin]

I'm from a cell-phone and his top matches don't appear


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I use a program named "4admix" to estimate the population appoximation. Deal with it and embrace your JORDANIAN brothers.

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[Lavrentis]

There is a program named "4admix" to estimate the population appoximation. Deal with it and embrace your JORDANIAN brothers.

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According to most Cretan results I saw here, Cretans got other Greeks and south Italians as their top matches.

There were no Jordanians in Crete, but there were christian Syrians settled here by the Byzantines at one point.


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[gültekin]

I have Cretan friends here in Canada and they look the same as mainlanders. Full Pontians/Anatolians here can pass in Central Europe even which might surprise you.

With this post you are basically implying that mainlanders are superior to Cretans and Central Europeans are superior to Greeks as a whole.


"some of you Cretans can pass as mainlanders" --> is this a compliment in Greece? "Hey, not all of you are Afro-Semite looking, some of you can even pass as Central European who are even superior than mainlanders."



FUCKING HILARIOUS

[Lavrentis]

With this post you are basically implying that mainlanders are superior to Cretans and Central Europeans are superior to Greeks as a whole.


"some of you Cretans can pass as mainlanders" --> is this a compliment in Greece? "Hey, not all of you are Afro-Semite looking, some of you can even pass as Central European who are even superior than mainlanders".



FUCKING PATHETIC

What the hell are you talking about you hysterical piece of shit




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[Sikeliot]

Again with the lies? Since when do Cretans score 17 SW Asian?

I really need to find the Cretans that Sikeliot posted. At least he proved that they're Cretans, unlike you


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That one result he keeps posting was an outlier. There are outliers in every ethnicity. For all we know he might not be full Cretan. He could be half Cypriot.

[Hamlet]

Could someone just sum it up - is OP correct?

[Kouros]

With this post you are basically implying that mainlanders are superior to Cretans and Central Europeans are superior to Greeks as a whole.


"some of you Cretans can pass as mainlanders" --> is this a compliment in Greece? "Hey, not all of you are Afro-Semite looking, some of you can even pass as Central European who are even superior than mainlanders."



FUCKING HILARIOUS

No I actually never implied that you dumb mongolian fuck. I said that all Greeks look the same here but you can't read with your Turkic subhuman 80IQ. All I said about Central Europe was that Greeks here phenotypically gravitate towards more Central European looks than does your average, it's just an observation.

Can you tell me why you Muslim shitskins are so obsessed with connecting yourselves to Europeans on here? Also why do you love Cretans and Lavrentis so much you cucks? Did one fuck your wife?

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[Lavrentis]

That one result he keeps posting was an outlier. There are outliers in every ethnicity. For all we know he might not be full Cretan. He could be half Cypriot.

There was actually one half-Cypriot half-Cretan posted by a Turk here to demonstrate a similar point


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[Kouros]

Could someone just sum it up - is OP correct?

No he is not. It is just more OWD nonsense from retards.

[gültekin]

That one result he keeps posting was an outlier. There are outliers in every ethnicity. For all we know he might not be full Cretan. He could be half Cypriot.

Outlier my ass. I've seen other Cretans as well, they were all similar. You will not call 90% of the Cretan population "outlier," will you?



"He might not be fullly Cretan" You guys are REALLY pathetic LOL. Nope, he is fully Cretan, deal with it and stop cherrypicking results. You can't escape from the reality.

[gültekin]

There was actually one half-Cypriot half-Cretan posted by a Turk here to demonstrate a similar point


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Don't be ashamed of your own people's results you pathetic piece of shit and stop making up things. Would you expect these people below to cluster with Norwegians? LOL



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[gültekin]

Could someone just sum it up - is OP correct?

Yes, Anatolian Greeks have more Anatolia_Neolithic ancestry and less Hunter-Gatherer ancestry than Anatolian Turks. A bitter fact to swallow for the Nordicist afro-semitic apricity Greek gang. Anyone who does not believe the OP is free to contact with these Anatolian Greek members on anthrogenica. Don'T be ashamed of your own people.

[Lavrentis]

Don't be ashamed of your own people's results you pathetic piece of shit and stop making up things. Would you expect these people below to cluster with Norwegians? LOL

I'm not making up anything. A Turkish user here did actually post a half Cypriot trying to pass him as fully Cretan.

Here are some Cretans:

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[wvwvw]

Pontians: whiter than the average Turkroach:

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Triantafyllides

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[Bornoz]

When will you finish this stupid cherry pick war?

[wvwvw]

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[Bornoz]

Don't call Pontians Greek again you hypocrite piece of shit ^