Differentiating British ancestry

[Profileid]

Is there any way to do this aside from shelling out for ancestrydna? It's my biggest component on 23andme but it lumps all British islanders together. I am closer to Irish on most gedmatch calculators but I assume that means nothing

[Smitty]

If you're after anything really trustworthy, I don't think there's any way to know. I've seen enough test results to know they have no clue what they're talking about. And if you're anything like me, I'm sure your roots are too distant to tell genealogically. Surnames are the best bet, and they don't offer much.

[Dick]

Is there any way to do this aside from shelling out for ancestrydna? It's my biggest component on 23andme but it lumps all British islanders together. I am closer to Irish on most gedmatch calculators but I assume that means nothing

LivingDna has twice the detail of other ancestry tests. They give you dna mix across 80 world regions, including 21 in Britain and Ireland but I think it's more money than ancestrydna.

[SvartVarg]

Not easily, if at all very accurately.

Ancestry is okay. Dick has a decent suggestion with LivingDNA. But like all of these genetic ethnicity tests the accuracy depends. Some people say it is fantastic. Others not so much. Personally, I wasn't impressed with LivingDNA


Regarding the Irish on gedmatch > do you have any Irish ancestry?

[spik]

No.

[de Burgh II]

Eurogenes k13 and k15 seem decent enough to give a rough composition of what you are more of:

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Orcadian +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.958201

Nevertheless, they are all close genetically so I would consider all British Isles/Ireland one and the same.

[de Burgh II]

Here is a study that looks in this phenomenon:


In order to identify evidence of gene flow barriers within Ireland and Britain, we performed EEMS25 analysis on the Atlas and PoBI datasets. We did not include individuals from the Trinity dataset as they lack geocoding. For more details on the analysis see Methods and Supplementary Data 2.2. We observe a number of gene flow barriers within Ireland and the British Isles (Fig. 2). The strongest barrier is found around Wales between both Ireland and England, with a separate barrier observed between Scotland and Orkney. These barriers mirror the greatest divisions in our fineStructure and Fst analyses. We also observe several gene flow barriers within England. The first is in the south-west, and appears to separate out Devon/Cornwall from neighbouring English counties and Wales. The second is a region in the north of England – in the Pennine Hills – that is associated with the distribution of the fineStructure cluster N England I, with the third boundary following with the English-Scottish border. In addition to the general region of gene flow identified in south and central England, two notable corridors of gene flow are observed; the first runs along the Welsh-English border which represents the two clusters N England II and Marches I, and the second is in the north of England and represents the link between the two clusters N England III and N England IV. Within Scotland, a corridor of gene flow connects the two sampled regions, and there are two regions of gene flow in Wales that correspond to the areas where the majority of the north and south Welsh samples derive their ancestry from. The Western Isles and Highlands of Scotland present a large region of low gene flow, and could represent the relative isolation of the small number of samples from that region, which belong to the W Scotland I cluster.

In Ireland we detect a general trend of gene flow across the island, with three areas of low migration. The first is to the west of the island, including the coast of Connacht. The second is a region of relatively low genetic migration near the Leinster – Munster border. The final region of low genetic migration is found within Ulster, extending into Scotland, and seems to reflect the genetic differentiation of ‘Gaelic’ Ireland and Britain, specifically Scotland. This pattern of Ireland’s isolation is also seen in the gene flow barrier between Wales and Ireland. Interestingly we observe a corridor of relatively high genetic migration between the north-east of Ulster and the south-west of Scotland. This corridor appears to reflect the link between individuals of shared Irish and British ancestry (i.e. N Ireland I, II, and III), and indeed the authors of EEMS expect that under some circumstances EEMS could represent recent genetic migrants this way25.

We report the total levels of ancestry proportions best represented by each group of European clusters grouped by broad country membership (Fig. 3a), and the ancestry proportions of the 19 individual European clusters that contribute at least 2.5% ancestry to any Irish or British cluster (Fig. 3b). The raw ancestry proportions are reported in Supplementary Table 5, and the 95% confidence intervals in Supplementary Table 6. For the seven ‘Gaelic’ Irish clusters, we observe that 80% of ancestry is best explained by clusters of French, Belgian, Danish, and Norwegian membership, with clusters from the other six reference European populations making up the remaining ~20% (Fig. 3a). French clusters are the best fit for about half of the ancestry within these Irish clusters, which is the highest proportion across all the Irish or British clusters. This French proportion is being driven primarily by the European cluster FRA1 which by itself represents an average of 30% ancestry in the ‘Gaelic’ Irish clusters (Fig. 3b). Cluster FRA1 is predominantly (80.0%) made up of individuals from the north-west region of France, an area with genetic affinity to other, British, ‘Celtic’ populations23. This pattern of French ancestry continues in other Irish and British clusters associated with Celtic ancestry; specifically the N Ireland, Scottish, Orcadian, Welsh, and Cornish clusters. The ‘Gaelic’ Irish clusters show the lowest ancestry proportions of German clusters, which in turn are thought to reflect Germanic/Saxon influence21. Orkney shows the second-least ‘Germanic’ proportion, with English clusters showing the most. We also observe a low amount of Belgian-like ancestry within Ireland, compared to groups within Britain, further illustrating Ireland’s relative isolation from mainland Europe.

https://media.springernature.com/lw900/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41598-017-17124-4/MediaObjects/41598_2017_17124_Fig3_HTML.jpg

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17124-4

Irish/Gaels being more French/Breton and Scandinavian like whereas English being more Belgian and Danish/German-like.

[RN97]

It's not really possible broski. There is a reason 23andme doesn't really do it. Not because they can't, it just ends up a whole lot less accurate. Look at me for example I'm of mixed European background and they also don't have a sample for Romanians. My DNA totally got 23andme calculator to get it's dick stuck in a fan bruh. They claim to only test for ancestry 500 years or earlier(a quite dubious claim). According to their estimation I'm somehow 4.9% British/ Irish. No way that's actual British/ Irish ancestry. LivingDNA or the likes will just feed you some bullshit and try to make it believable. The genetic difference between Brits is small enough that detecting anything but 100% ancestry will be all over the place.

[Profileid]

Not easily, if at all very accurately.

Ancestry is okay. But Dick has a decent suggestion with LivingDNA. But like all of these genetic ethnicity tests the accuracy depends. Some people say it is fantastic. Others not so much. Personally, I wasn't impressed with LivingDNA


Regarding the Irish on gedmatch > do you have any Irish ancestry?

I've been told we do. Most of my ancestry is British Isles,including Virginia and Appalachia so it's very likely. Not to mention many English have Irish ancestry somewhere down the line.
Here is my K13 Oracle. I don't know how significant this is but I am a bit closer to Irish than any English populations.
# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 3.29
2 North_Dutch 3.55
3 North_German 4.13
4 Orcadian 4.18
5 Irish 4.44
6 West_Scottish 4.92
7 Southeast_English 5.26
8 Norwegian 5.26
9 Southwest_English 6.38
10 Swedish 7.04
11 South_Dutch 8.26
12 West_German 8.7
13 North_Swedish 12.87
14 Austrian 13.51
15 East_German 13.94
16 French 14.06
17 Hungarian 17.66
18 Southwest_Finnish 20.93
19 Spanish_Cataluna 21.49
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 22.76

Eurogenes k13 and k15 seem decent enough to give a rough composition of what you are more of:

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Orcadian +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.958201

Nevertheless, they are all close genetically so I would consider all British Isles/Ireland one and the same.
K13 results above. Considering we're mixed, do you really think it's accurate? I mean it tells me I'm closest to being fkn Danish.

[de Burgh II]

I've been told we do. Most of my ancestry is British Isles,including Virginia and Appalachia so it's very likely. Not to mention many English have Irish ancestry somewhere down the line.
Here is my K13 Oracle. I don't know how significant this is but I am a bit closer to Irish than any English populations.
# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 3.29
2 North_Dutch 3.55
3 North_German 4.13
4 Orcadian 4.18
5 Irish 4.44
6 West_Scottish 4.92
7 Southeast_English 5.26
8 Norwegian 5.26
9 Southwest_English 6.38
10 Swedish 7.04
11 South_Dutch 8.26
12 West_German 8.7
13 North_Swedish 12.87
14 Austrian 13.51
15 East_German 13.94
16 French 14.06
17 Hungarian 17.66
18 Southwest_Finnish 20.93
19 Spanish_Cataluna 21.49
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 22.76

K13 results above. Considering we're mixed, do you really think it's accurate? I mean it tells me I'm closest to being fkn Danish.

From colonial results I've seen for Anglos, they have a tendency to be mixed with German, Scandinavia or some other European ethnicity along the family line at some point. Which is understandable since their family line especially for Anglos has been here for 200 to 400 years since the country's creation. Nevertheless, this may mean you may have some slight Germanic, continental admixture that pulls in that direction. Nevertheless, I feel the oracles would give a better breakdown of your autosomal dna that may give a rough estimate of your heritage(s) that seems to be the norm for a colonial Anglo such as yourself.

[Grace O'Malley]

I've been told we do. Most of my ancestry is British Isles,including Virginia and Appalachia so it's very likely. Not to mention many English have Irish ancestry somewhere down the line.
Here is my K13 Oracle. I don't know how significant this is but I am a bit closer to Irish than any English populations.
# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 3.29
2 North_Dutch 3.55
3 North_German 4.13
4 Orcadian 4.18
5 Irish 4.44
6 West_Scottish 4.92
7 Southeast_English 5.26
8 Norwegian 5.26
9 Southwest_English 6.38
10 Swedish 7.04
11 South_Dutch 8.26
12 West_German 8.7
13 North_Swedish 12.87
14 Austrian 13.51
15 East_German 13.94
16 French 14.06
17 Hungarian 17.66
18 Southwest_Finnish 20.93
19 Spanish_Cataluna 21.49
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 22.76

K13 results above. Considering we're mixed, do you really think it's accurate? I mean it tells me I'm closest to being fkn Danish.

Profileid here is my K13 to compare. All my ancestry is Irish.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.04
2 Baltic 25.27
3 West_Med 9.81
4 West_Asian 7.25
5 East_Med 1.77
6 Red_Sea 1.5
7 Amerindian 1.38
8 Siberian 0.75
9 Oceanian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 3.04
2 Irish 3.1
3 Norwegian 3.6
4 West_Scottish 3.61
5 Orcadian 3.82
6 Danish 3.86
7 North_German 5.45
8 Southeast_English 6.09
9 Southwest_English 6.26
10 Swedish 6.5
11 South_Dutch 10.22
12 West_German 11.04
13 North_Swedish 12.82
14 Austrian 15.29
15 East_German 15.45
16 French 15.89
17 Hungarian 19.56
18 Southwest_Finnish 21.09
19 Spanish_Cataluna 23.25
20 South_Polish 24.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.1% Irish + 42.9% Norwegian @ 2.28
2 50.1% Norwegian + 49.9% West_Scottish @ 2.33
3 77.2% Irish + 22.8% Swedish @ 2.54
4 51.6% North_Dutch + 48.4% Irish @ 2.56
5 70.2% West_Scottish + 29.8% Swedish @ 2.58
6 61.6% North_Dutch + 38.4% West_Scottish @ 2.6
7 88.2% Irish + 11.8% North_Swedish @ 2.61
8 94.4% Irish + 5.6% Finnish @ 2.67
9 94.5% Irish + 5.5% La_Brana-1 @ 2.68
10 93.4% Irish + 6.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.72
11 95.3% Irish + 4.7% East_Finnish @ 2.72
12 76.2% Irish + 23.8% North_German @ 2.72
13 66.7% West_Scottish + 33.3% North_German @ 2.74
14 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Chuvash @ 2.74
15 84.2% West_Scottish + 15.8% North_Swedish @ 2.75
16 65.5% Irish + 34.5% Danish @ 2.75
17 92% West_Scottish + 8% Finnish @ 2.77
18 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Mari @ 2.78
19 95.4% Irish + 4.6% Estonian @ 2.79
20 96.4% Irish + 3.6% Erzya @ 2.8

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Norwegian @ 2.522953


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% Norwegian @ 2.522953


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.519424
2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.522953
3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.540311
4 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.548502
5 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.564251
6 North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.622005
7 North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.648387
8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.664680
9 Irish + North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.680890
10 Danish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.683445
11 Danish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.695799
12 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.721051
13 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.729033
14 Danish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.747781
15 Irish + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.753577
16 Irish + Irish + North_German + Norwegian @ 2.764748
17 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.766720
18 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.767802
19 Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.767981
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 2.775764

To be honest all Northwest Europeans are close and the Oracles can give different no 1 pops. I usually get either Orcadian or Irish as my no 1 pops. There is no way to differentiate whether you have more Irish or British especially if you have mixed ancestry. The only way is a paper trail.

[SvartVarg]

I've been told we do. Most of my ancestry is British Isles,including Virginia and Appalachia so it's very likely. Not to mention many English have Irish ancestry somewhere down the line.
Here is my K13 Oracle. I don't know how significant this is but I am a bit closer to Irish than any English populations.
# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 3.29
2 North_Dutch 3.55
3 North_German 4.13
4 Orcadian 4.18
5 Irish 4.44
6 West_Scottish 4.92
7 Southeast_English 5.26
8 Norwegian 5.26
9 Southwest_English 6.38
10 Swedish 7.04
11 South_Dutch 8.26
12 West_German 8.7
13 North_Swedish 12.87
14 Austrian 13.51
15 East_German 13.94
16 French 14.06
17 Hungarian 17.66
18 Southwest_Finnish 20.93
19 Spanish_Cataluna 21.49
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 22.76

K13 results above. Considering we're mixed, do you really think it's accurate? I mean it tells me I'm closest to being fkn Danish.

What does the rest look like? You are similar to myself & I rarely 'score' Irish on gedmatch.

[firemonkey]

My K 13 single population. I'm about 50% English 31% Scottish 19% Irish and maybe a smidgin of Welsh.


# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 2.28
2 Orcadian 2.61
3 Irish 2.78
4 Southwest_English 3.79
5 North_Dutch 4.01
6 Southeast_English 4.12
7 Danish 4.77
8 Norwegian 5.45
9 North_German 6.99
10 Swedish 8.26
11 South_Dutch 9.3
12 West_German 10.53
13 French 14.25
14 North_Swedish 14.36
15 Austrian 15.88
16 East_German 16.14
17 Hungarian 20.41
18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.05
19 Southwest_French 21.92
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.94

My father-English with maybe a smidgin of Welsh


1 Orcadian 2.38
2 Southeast_English 2.76
3 West_Scottish 2.85
4 Southwest_English 2.88
5 Irish 3.03
6 North_Dutch 3.65
7 Danish 4.45
8 Norwegian 5.96
9 North_German 6.06
10 South_Dutch 7.26
11 Swedish 8.48
12 West_German 8.62
13 French 12.41
14 Austrian 14.32
15 North_Swedish 14.5
16 East_German 14.86
17 Hungarian 19.01
18 Spanish_Cataluna 19.45
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 20.53
20 Southwest_French 20.54

[Profileid]

My K 13 single population. I'm about 50% English 31% Scottish 19% Irish and maybe a smidgin of Welsh.


# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 2.28
2 Orcadian 2.61
3 Irish 2.78
4 Southwest_English 3.79
5 North_Dutch 4.01
6 Southeast_English 4.12
7 Danish 4.77
8 Norwegian 5.45
9 North_German 6.99
10 Swedish 8.26
11 South_Dutch 9.3
12 West_German 10.53
13 French 14.25
14 North_Swedish 14.36
15 Austrian 15.88
16 East_German 16.14
17 Hungarian 20.41
18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.05
19 Southwest_French 21.92
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.94

My father-English with maybe a smidgin of Welsh


1 Orcadian 2.38
2 Southeast_English 2.76
3 West_Scottish 2.85
4 Southwest_English 2.88
5 Irish 3.03
6 North_Dutch 3.65
7 Danish 4.45
8 Norwegian 5.96
9 North_German 6.06
10 South_Dutch 7.26
11 Swedish 8.48
12 West_German 8.62
13 French 12.41
14 Austrian 14.32
15 North_Swedish 14.5
16 East_German 14.86
17 Hungarian 19.01
18 Spanish_Cataluna 19.45
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 20.53
20 Southwest_French 20.54

Interesting. Your results are very similar to mine and Grace's, but I'm somewhat closer to Germanics. I guess we're all pretty closely related.

What does the rest look like? You are similar to myself & I rarely 'score' Irish on gedmatch.
The rest? You want to see other calculators? Everyone of pred NW Euro origin I've seen score very similar.

[SvartVarg]

The rest? You want to see other calculators? Everyone of pred NW Euro origin I've seen score very similar.

No, what are the 2 to 4th populations for k13 like what Grace did.

[Profileid]

No, what are the 2 to 4th populations for k13 like what Grace did.

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.6% North_Dutch + 5.4% Tadjik @ 2.34
2 95.2% North_Dutch + 4.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.37
3 96.2% North_Dutch + 3.8% Brahui @ 2.38
4 96.1% North_Dutch + 3.9% Makrani @ 2.39
5 96.1% North_Dutch + 3.9% Sindhi @ 2.39
6 96.1% North_Dutch + 3.9% Balochi @ 2.4
7 95.1% North_Dutch + 4.9% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.41
8 95.9% North_Dutch + 4.1% Burusho @ 2.44
9 95.1% North_Dutch + 4.9% Turkmen @ 2.46
10 93.4% Orcadian + 6.6% Tabassaran @ 2.47
11 95.8% North_Dutch + 4.2% Kalash @ 2.47
12 95.9% North_Dutch + 4.1% Pathan @ 2.48
13 95.9% North_Dutch + 4.1% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.51
14 96.2% Danish + 3.8% Ossetian @ 2.51
15 93.7% Orcadian + 6.3% Lezgin @ 2.52
16 96.9% Danish + 3.1% Brahui @ 2.53
17 95.7% Danish + 4.3% Tadjik @ 2.54
18 96.9% Danish + 3.1% Balochi @ 2.55
19 96.9% Danish + 3.1% Makrani @ 2.55
20 96.1% Danish + 3.9% Turkmen @ 2.57


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_German + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.023415
2 Irish + North_German + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.053601
3 Danish + North_German + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.095166
4 North_German + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.104312
5 Irish + Irish + North_German + North_German @ 3.133329
6 Danish + Danish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.150531
7 Irish + North_German + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.163358
8 Danish + Danish + Irish + North_German @ 3.171443
9 North_Dutch + North_German + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.191517
10 Danish + Irish + North_German + North_German @ 3.213282
11 Danish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.249858
12 Danish + North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.252458
13 North_German + North_German + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.253077
14 Danish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.254638
15 Danish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.255688
16 Danish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.286454
17 Danish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 3.288761
18 North_German + North_German + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.295101
19 Irish + North_German + North_German + Southeast_English @ 3.296331
20 North_German + North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.302830

[firemonkey]

My oracle 4.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 2.445381
2 Orcadian @ 2.801820
3 Irish @ 3.090581
4 Southwest_English @ 4.079818
5 North_Dutch @ 4.470723
6 Southeast_English @ 4.585011
7 Danish @ 5.333041
8 Norwegian @ 6.092976
9 North_German @ 7.964433
10 Swedish @ 9.309278
11 South_Dutch @ 10.631128
12 West_German @ 12.132713
13 North_Swedish @ 16.188072
14 French @ 16.250372
15 Austrian @ 18.245956
16 East_German @ 18.490625
17 Hungarian @ 23.504978
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.857307
19 Southwest_French @ 24.606785
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.847672

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
2 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.301936
3 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.309369
4 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.324097
5 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.330362
6 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.339781
7 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.404918
8 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.408655
9 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.417958
10 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.427908
11 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.444764
12 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.445381
13 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.451610
14 Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459154
15 Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459786
16 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.472844
17 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.474714
18 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.482153
19 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.483617
20 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.488283


My father

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 2.540393
2 Southeast_English @ 2.992991
3 Southwest_English @ 3.154226
4 West_Scottish @ 3.188760
5 Irish @ 3.331554
6 North_Dutch @ 4.046317
7 Danish @ 4.932960
8 Norwegian @ 6.635683
9 North_German @ 6.853665
10 South_Dutch @ 8.326958
11 Swedish @ 9.547820
12 West_German @ 9.923571
13 French @ 14.147449
14 North_Swedish @ 16.336115
15 Austrian @ 16.457874
16 East_German @ 17.018524
17 Hungarian @ 21.862171
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.033287
19 Southwest_French @ 23.044683
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 23.205284

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 1.821584


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 1.821584


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++
1 South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.565104
2 Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.693713
3 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.719593
4 West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.723765
5 Irish + South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.753041
6 North_Dutch + South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.757448
7 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.818803
8 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.821584
9 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.842688
10 South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.843656
11 Irish + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 1.844107
12 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.860898
13 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 1.864541
14 Irish + Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 1.887038
15 North_Dutch + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.893324
16 South_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.897780
17 Orcadian + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.909300
18 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 1.915832
19 French + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.919715
20 North_German + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.919940

[TEUTORIGOS]

These genetic calculators are a joke at differentiating different British Isles populations. K13 says my number 1 population is Irish but K15 says SouthWest English.

[CertifiedCracker]

I forget what calculator I used, but it got my ancestry down to pretty specific region, southwest England, which is true.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.81
2 Baltic 23.36
3 West_Med 13.17
4 West_Asian 8.10
5 Siberian 1.37
6 Oceanian 1.15


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.849845
2 Orcadian @ 4.409239
3 West_Scottish @ 4.822096
4 Southwest_English @ 5.392644
5 North_Dutch @ 5.458716
6 Danish @ 6.237111
7 Southeast_English @ 6.289751
8 Norwegian @ 7.103336
9 North_German @ 7.159628
10 Swedish @ 9.326280
11 South_Dutch @ 9.617223
12 West_German @ 10.864100
13 French @ 15.661118
14 North_Swedish @ 16.115871
15 Austrian @ 16.463173
16 East_German @ 16.744297
17 Hungarian @ 21.767044
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.409361
19 Southwest_French @ 23.981400
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 24.653765

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 3.849845


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% South_Dutch @ 3.692252


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + South_Dutch @ 3.692252
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 3.733742
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_English @ 3.769586
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.815752
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.849845
6 Irish + Irish + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.856632
7 Irish + Irish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.857928
8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.873938
9 Irish + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.916509
10 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.924094

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.89
2 Atlantic 27.28
3 Baltic 9.99
4 Eastern_Euro 9.52
5 West_Med 8.99
6 West_Asian 4.70


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.214358
2 Southeast_English @ 4.294276
3 North_Dutch @ 4.408605
4 Danish @ 4.771735
5 West_Scottish @ 4.953473
6 Irish @ 5.014568
7 Orcadian @ 5.134441
8 North_German @ 6.141170
9 Norwegian @ 7.694504
10 South_Dutch @ 8.158228
11 West_Norwegian @ 8.668773
12 West_German @ 9.131309
13 Swedish @ 9.378192
14 North_Swedish @ 12.155580
15 French @ 13.101006
16 East_German @ 14.484367
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.622101
18 Austrian @ 19.812147
19 Hungarian @ 20.138453
20 Finnish @ 21.126108

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.064974


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 3.064974


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.377470
2 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.603018
3 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.744400
4 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.762994
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.777089
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.829644
7 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.862946
8 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.889061
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.926053
10 North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.937662

[CertifiedCracker]

My k 13 oracle results

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.93
2 Southwest_English 4.23
3 Orcadian 5
4 Irish 5.22
5 West_Scottish 5.23
6 North_Dutch 5.91
7 South_Dutch 5.91
8 Danish 6.57
9 North_German 7.19
10 West_German 7.26
11 Norwegian 8.34
12 French 10.15
13 Swedish 10.51
14 Austrian 13.86
15 East_German 14.83
16 North_Swedish 16.21
17 Spanish_Cataluna 17.35
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.27
19 Hungarian 18.47
20 Spanish_Galicia 18.62

[TEUTORIGOS]

I forget what calculator I used, but it got my ancestry down to pretty specific region, southwest England, which is true.

Eurogenes K13 says I am Irish and Eurogenes K15 SouthWest English. Mistaking the Irish and Scottish is understandable but not Irish and SouthWest English. These calculators are a sad joke --I do not see how one can take them seriously.

[CertifiedCracker]

Eurogenes K13 says I am Irish and Eurogenes K15 SouthWest English. Mistaking the Irish and Scottish is understandable but not Irish and SouthWest English. These calculators are a sad joke --I do not see how one can take them seriously.

Who knows, maybe some of the sample populations were Anglo-Irish? Im of partial Scotch-Irish descent, but every DNA test says English, which is understandable. Both are related and intermarried in Northern Ireland.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Who knows, maybe some of the sample populations were Anglo-Irish? Im of partial Scotch-Irish descent, but every DNA test says English, which is understandable. Both are related and intermarried in Northern Ireland.

On paper I am Irish, German, English and Scottish but most DNA tests says the German is Anglo-Saxon and since I am half Irish AncestryDNA says I am Ulster Irish since the average for Ulster is only 52% Irish, Scottish and Welsh.

Thing is there was too much mixing in Ulster and the Dublin area to differentiate with genetic tests. Also, Ulster Irish and West Scottish are basically the same tribe.

There should not be Anglo-Irish in SouthWest English samples compared to Liverpool. The only DNA testing service that is honest is 23andme they basically admit they can not reliably tell the difference between the Irish and British.

All these other DNA tests and calculators are lying innacurate trash currently. Things may improve in the future, though.