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Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 01:22 AM

This is from far western Crete where people are supposedly lighter -- this person is closer to mainland Greeks than to Sicilians, and has high northern affinities for being an islander.

They shift 25% north of average Sicilians and whoever makes up the Crete average.

Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 33.86
2 Atlantic_Med 23.97
3 North_European 18.35
4 Southwest_Asian 12.04
5 Gedrosia 7
6 Northwest_African 3.41
7 Siberian 0.7
8 Southeast_Asian 0.46
9 East_Asian 0.17
10 East_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 6.99
2 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 7.89
3 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.28
4 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.73
5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.91
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 11.05
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11.61
8 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 13.04
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 14.6
10 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 15.33
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.58
12 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 16.93
13 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 17.6
14 Romanians (Behar) 18.58
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 18.76
16 Cypriots (Behar) 19.8
17 N_Italian (Dodecad) 20.55
18 Turks (Behar) 21.01
19 Lebanese (Behar) 22.19
20 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 29.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.56
2 56.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 43.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.72
3 79.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.77
4 70.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 29.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.81
5 79.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.1% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.92
6 79.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.2% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.97
7 59.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 40.9% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.98
8 65.4% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.6% German (Dodecad) @ 3.05
9 79% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 3.06
10 78% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 22% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.09
11 80.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 19.9% Belorussian (Behar) @ 3.18
12 81.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.27
13 82.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 17.2% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 3.29
14 80.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 19.8% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.32
15 67.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 3.32
16 66.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 3.35
17 78.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.2% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.46
18 57.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 42.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.56
19 72.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 27.5% Hungarians (Behar) @ 3.68
20 69.6% Cypriots (Behar) + 30.4% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 3.69

Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.82
2 West_Med 16.12
3 West_Asian 13.69
4 Atlantic 9.82
5 North_Sea 9.82
6 Baltic 9.51
7 Eastern_Euro 4.95
8 Red_Sea 4.3
9 Oceanian 0.76
10 Southeast_Asian 0.64
11 Northeast_African 0.55
12 Siberian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 5.03
2 Ashkenazi 5.64
3 East_Sicilian 6.07
4 South_Italian 6.81
5 Greek 8
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.06
7 Italian_Abruzzo 8.68
8 West_Sicilian 9.55
9 Italian_Jewish 9.58
10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.78
11 Algerian_Jewish 10.94
12 Tuscan 13.49
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.88
14 Cyprian 14.31
15 Libyan_Jewish 14.49
16 Bulgarian 15.03
17 Romanian 17.33
18 Lebanese_Muslim 17.55
19 Turkish 18.38
20 Syrian 18.49

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.5% Greek_Thessaly + 25.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.61
2 64.9% Greek_Thessaly + 35.1% Cyprian @ 2.67
3 74.2% Greek_Thessaly + 25.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.83
4 73.3% Greek_Thessaly + 26.7% Samaritan @ 3.19
5 66.5% Cyprian + 33.5% Hungarian @ 3.3
6 75.6% Greek + 24.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.58
7 70.4% Greek_Thessaly + 29.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.59
8 75.1% Greek + 24.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.6
9 59.6% Cyprian + 40.4% Serbian @ 3.71
10 55% Cyprian + 45% Romanian @ 3.72
11 74.2% Greek + 25.8% Samaritan @ 3.76
12 51.3% Cyprian + 48.7% Bulgarian @ 3.76
13 69.7% Cyprian + 30.3% East_German @ 3.8
14 66.7% Cyprian + 33.3% Croatian @ 3.93
15 64.7% Cyprian + 35.3% Moldavian @ 3.93
16 77% Greek_Thessaly + 23% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.93
17 75.6% Greek_Thessaly + 24.4% Palestinian @ 3.96
18 71.2% Cyprian + 28.8% Ukrainian @ 3.99
19 66.9% Greek + 33.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.06
20 70.6% Cyprian + 29.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.1

MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.03
2 European_Early_Farmers 19.64
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 18.32
4 Near_East 9.58
5 South_Central_Asian 6.11
6 North_African 4.90
7 East_Siberian 1.23

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 5.272933
2 Greek_ @ 5.510732
3 Central_Greek_ @ 6.074970
4 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 6.208191
5 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 6.212820
6 Ashkenazi_ @ 6.427843
7 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 6.807320
8 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.884346
9 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 7.259515
10 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 7.481290
11 Greek_Northwest_ @ 7.621838
12 Romanian_Jew_ @ 7.815029
13 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 8.013819
14 Italian_South_ @ 8.538260
15 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.698123
16 Sicilian_West_ @ 8.907128
17 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.933163
18 Cretan_ @ 9.074444
19 Sicilian_East_ @ 9.195032
20 Kosovar_ @ 9.641821

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Jew_ +50% Gagauz_ @ 2.889431

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cretan_ +25% Hungarian_Budapest_ +25% Sicilian_East_ @ 1.883723

PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 35.7
2 West_Asia 24.29
3 NE_Europe 19.95
4 SW_Asia 15.92
5 Siberia 1.28
6 East_Africa 1.18
7 Oceania 0.87
8 NE_Asia 0.8

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 4.16
2 Ashkenazy_Jew 4.2
3 Italian_Abruzzo 5.36
4 Italian_Sicilian 5.54
5 Sephardic_Jew 8.02
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.84
7 Albanian 9.38
8 Kosovar 10.54
9 Italian_Tuscan 11.47
10 Turkish 14.36
11 Bulgarian 14.91
12 Macedonian 15.3
13 Cypriot 16.04
14 Turkish_Aydin 16.05
15 Romanian 16.72
16 Turkish_Kayseri 17.04
17 Italian_Bergamo 17.65
18 Montenegrin 17.69
19 Syrian 19.6
20 Lebanese_Christian 20.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.4% Chuvash @ 1.84
2 90.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 9.8% Tatar @ 1.92
3 92.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 7.6% Aluet @ 2.1
4 89.2% Greek_Central + 10.8% Egyptian_Copts @ 2.17
5 74.2% Albanian + 25.8% Samaritan_Jew @ 2.22
6 70% Albanian + 30% Jordanian @ 2.22
7 68.7% Albanian + 31.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.24
8 94.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 5.9% Finnish @ 2.26
9 63.4% Italian_Tuscan + 36.6% Syrian @ 2.28
10 71.3% Greek_Thessaly + 28.7% Jordanian @ 2.3
11 89.2% Italian_Sicilian + 10.8% Chuvash @ 2.37
12 87.3% Italian_Sicilian + 12.7% Tatar @ 2.38
13 67.4% Kosovar + 32.6% Jordanian @ 2.39
14 92.5% Ashkenazy_Jew + 7.5% Mordovian @ 2.39
15 68.2% Albanian + 31.8% Syrian @ 2.4
16 65.3% Italian_Tuscan + 34.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.42
17 73.6% Greek_Thessaly + 26.4% Palestinian @ 2.44
18 72.4% Albanian + 27.6% Palestinian @ 2.45
19 75.6% Greek_Thessaly + 24.4% Samaritan_Jew @ 2.46
20 76.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.1% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.46

Eurasia K9 ASI:

# Population Percent
1 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 27.95
2 WHG 23.89
3 SW_Asian 18.74
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 18.69
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 9.2
6 W_African 0.85
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 4.95
2 Albanian 6
3 Sicilian 7.02
4 Tuscan 7.75
5 Maltese 8.43
6 Bulgarian 10.41
7 Spanish 16.49
8 Turkish 17.92
9 Croatian 19.03
10 Cypriot 19.88
11 French 20.15
12 Kumyk 20.97
13 Adygei 21.62
14 Hungarian 21.9
15 French_South 22.58
16 Chechen 22.91
17 Lebanese 24.11
18 English 25.07
19 Druze 25.37
20 Syrian 25.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85% Sicilian + 15% Srubnaya @ 1.81
2 86.4% Sicilian + 13.6% RISE_baMezh @ 1.88
3 86.1% Sicilian + 13.9% RISE_baAndrov @ 2.04
4 85.7% Sicilian + 14.3% RISE_baSin @ 2.18
5 84.7% Sicilian + 15.3% Scythian_IA @ 2.32
6 83.7% Sicilian + 16.3% RISE_baUne @ 2.41
7 82.8% Maltese + 17.2% Srubnaya @ 2.68
8 70.5% Bulgarian + 29.5% Lebanese @ 2.81
9 71.6% Bulgarian + 28.4% Druze @ 2.96
10 72.3% Bulgarian + 27.7% Jordanian @ 3.03
11 83.3% Albanian + 16.7% Lezgin @ 3.16
12 84.2% Maltese + 15.8% RISE_baAndrov @ 3.18
13 80.3% Albanian + 19.7% Kumyk @ 3.19
14 56.4% Cypriot + 43.6% Scottish @ 3.2
15 83.7% Albanian + 16.3% Azeri_Dagestan @ 3.21
16 59% Cypriot + 41% Norwegian @ 3.23
17 81.8% Albanian + 18.2% Chechen @ 3.23
18 74.1% Bulgarian + 25.9% Iraqi_Jew @ 3.24
19 82.5% Maltese + 17.5% Scythian_IA @ 3.27
20 66.5% Bulgarian + 33.5% Cypriot @ 3.31

Near East Neolithic K13:
# Population Percent
1 CHG_EEF 34.97
2 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 20.02
3 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 14.15
4 NATUFIAN 13
5 EHG 9.02
6 SHG_WHG 5.77
7 SE_ASIAN 1.53
8 SIBERIAN 1.05
9 SUB_SAHARAN 0.47
10 PAPUAN 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 4.37
2 Sicilian 5.07
3 Albanian 6.41
4 Jew_Ashkenazi 7
5 Italian_South 7.46
6 Bulgarian 10.45
7 Turkish_Istanbul 11.06
8 Turkish 12.09
9 Romanian 13.58
10 Jew_Moroccan 13.75
11 Turkish_Balekesir 14.39
12 Turkish_Aydin 16.04
13 Cypriot 16.34
14 Turkish_Adana 17.07
15 Turkish_Kayseri 17.55
16 Croatian 18.79
17 Jew_Tunisian 19
18 Balkar 19.3
19 Jew_Libyan 19.38
20 Kumyk 20.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Italian_South + 14.7% Steppe_IA @ 2.17
2 74.5% Albanian + 25.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.37
3 74% Albanian + 26% Turkish_Adana @ 2.41
4 81.4% Albanian + 18.6% Jew_Iranian @ 2.43
5 81.4% Albanian + 18.6% Jew_iraqi @ 2.47
6 61.4% Bulgarian + 38.6% Cypriot @ 2.58
7 80.7% Albanian + 19.3% Syrian @ 2.59
8 81.4% Albanian + 18.6% Assyrian @ 2.6
9 78.7% Albanian + 21.3% Lebanese @ 2.68
10 79.7% Albanian + 20.3% Azeri @ 2.71
11 80.3% Albanian + 19.7% Druze @ 2.73
12 83.8% Albanian + 16.2% Iranian_Lori @ 2.79
13 92.9% Italian_South + 7.1% Steppe_EMBA @ 2.83
14 81.4% Albanian + 18.6% Jordanian @ 2.84
15 92.3% Italian_South + 7.7% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 2.85
16 83% Albanian + 17% Iranian @ 2.92
17 93.2% Italian_South + 6.8% EHG @ 2.94
18 67.3% Albanian + 32.7% Turkish @ 2.95
19 84% Albanian + 16% Iranian_Shirazi @ 2.99
20 65.4% Albanian + 34.6% Turkish_Istanbul @ 3.1

Coolguy1

12-10-2017, 01:43 AM

Please post eurogenes k13 and mdlp world 22 as well

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 02:05 AM

Please post eurogenes k13 and mdlp world 22 as well

MDLP World:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 31.95
2 West-Asian 25.77
3 North-East-European 21.73
4 Near_East 17.78
5 East-Siberean 0.81
6 Indo-Tibetan 0.59
7 Sub-Saharian 0.49
8 Austronesian 0.43
9 Paleo-Siberian 0.29
10 Melanesian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Romania (derived) 4.86
2 Greek_East (derived) 5.23
3 Greek_North (derived) 5.99
4 Greek_Center (derived) 6.23
5 Greek_South (derived) 6.48
6 Italian-Center (derived) 8.82
7 Greek_Cretan (derived) 9.04
8 Ashkenazim_V (derived) 9.19
9 Greek_Azov (derived) 9.55
10 Italian-South (derived) 9.57
11 Sicilian (derived) 10.49
12 Tatar_Crim (derived) 11.68
13 Ashkenazim (derived) 13.81
14 Jew_Francestrale (derived) 14.63
15 Jew_Italia (derived) 14.82
16 Gagauz (derived) 15.74
17 Italian-North (derived) 16.95
18 Jew_Morocco (derived) 17.06
19 Sephardim (derived) 17.29
20 Romania (derived) 17.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.4% Greek_North (derived) + 15.6% Jew-Iran (derived) @ 1.3
2 81% Greek_Cretan (derived) + 19% Latvian_V (derived) @ 1.31
3 83.7% Greek_North (derived) + 16.3% Jew-Iraqi (derived) @ 1.33
4 84% Greek_North (derived) + 16% Jew_Kurd (derived) @ 1.45
5 83.7% Greek_North (derived) + 16.3% Jew_Iraqi (derived) @ 1.49
6 82.6% Greek_North (derived) + 17.4% Jew_Georgia (derived) @ 1.51
7 82.3% Greek_North (derived) + 17.7% Iraqi (derived) @ 1.55
8 81.4% Greek_North (derived) + 18.6% Syrian (derived) @ 1.6
9 84.4% Greek_Cretan (derived) + 15.6% Russian_South (derived) @ 1.61
10 84.1% Greek_Cretan (derived) + 15.9% Ukrainian-East (derived) @ 1.63
11 83.3% Greek_North (derived) + 16.7% Jew-Uzbekistan (derived) @ 1.65
12 82.8% Greek_Cretan (derived) + 17.2% Mordovian_V (derived) @ 1.66
13 83.2% Greek_Cretan (derived) + 16.8% Ukrainian-Center (derived) @ 1.68
14 82.9% Greek_Cretan (derived) + 17.1% Ukrainian_V (derived) @ 1.7
15 80.1% Greek_North (derived) + 19.9% Lebanese (derived) @ 1.7
16 84.1% Greek_North (derived) + 15.9% Jew_Tat (derived) @ 1.72
17 84.3% Greek_Cretan (derived) + 15.7% Ukrainian (derived) @ 1.73
18 84.3% Greek_Cretan (derived) + 15.7% Russian_cossack (derived) @ 1.73
19 54.7% Gagauz (derived) + 45.3% Cypriot (derived) @ 1.73
20 85.9% Greek_Cretan (derived) + 14.1% Russian (derived) @ 1.75

Eurogenes K13:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32
2 West_Med 19.61
3 North_Atlantic 15.08
4 West_Asian 13.82
5 Baltic 12.85
6 Red_Sea 3.98
7 Oceanian 0.95
8 East_Asian 0.85
9 Northeast_African 0.5
10 Siberian 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 4.43
2 East_Sicilian 5.07
3 Ashkenazi 5.25
4 South_Italian 7.26
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.79
6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.4
7 West_Sicilian 8.66
8 Italian_Jewish 11.33
9 Algerian_Jewish 11.42
10 Sephardic_Jewish 11.72
11 Tuscan 13.8
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.81
13 Libyan_Jewish 15.5
14 Bulgarian 15.65
15 Cyprian 15.93
16 Romanian 18.13
17 Lebanese_Muslim 19.27
18 North_Italian 19.74
19 Turkish 20.05
20 Syrian 20.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.5% Greek_Thessaly + 24.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.66
2 68.2% Greek_Thessaly + 31.8% Cyprian @ 2.69
3 76.1% Greek_Thessaly + 23.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.74
4 50.5% Bulgarian + 49.5% Cyprian @ 3.1
5 57.3% Central_Greek + 42.7% Ashkenazi @ 3.13
6 75.7% Greek_Thessaly + 24.3% Samaritan @ 3.15
7 58.6% Cyprian + 41.4% Serbian @ 3.22
8 53.3% Cyprian + 46.7% Romanian @ 3.23
9 64.4% Ashkenazi + 35.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.6
10 69.1% Cyprian + 30.9% East_German @ 3.62
11 66.1% Cyprian + 33.9% Hungarian @ 3.64
12 73.3% Greek_Thessaly + 26.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.67
13 80.6% Ashkenazi + 19.4% Bulgarian @ 3.78
14 67.7% Cyprian + 32.3% Austrian @ 3.81
15 90.8% Ashkenazi + 9.2% Chechen @ 3.83
16 90.5% Ashkenazi + 9.5% Kabardin @ 3.85
17 90.5% Ashkenazi + 9.5% Balkar @ 3.9
18 91.2% Ashkenazi + 8.8% North_Ossetian @ 3.92
19 90.7% Ashkenazi + 9.3% Adygei @ 3.93
20 58.8% Italian_Jewish + 41.2% Bulgarian @ 3.93

kingjohn

12-10-2017, 02:53 AM

can you post his eurogenes k36 ?
kind regards
adam

Böri

12-10-2017, 07:20 AM

Leto

12-10-2017, 09:20 AM

3 Ashkenazi 5.25
That's pretty juicy.

Sikeliot, use MDLP K16 too, it has a shitload of various regional samples.

kleenex

12-10-2017, 12:27 PM

Curious about "Greek East" wondering if it's Cyclades?

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 01:03 PM

Curious about "Greek East" wondering if it's Cyclades?

Ionian islands.

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 01:04 PM

Strong Arabian (SW Asian) and Ethiopian (Red Sea) connections with touch of Nordic obviously.
It shows the history of the island occupied by Moors first and many centuries later by Venetians who are very likely for the Nordic job there.

This person is close to mainland Greeks (even closer than to southern Italians), there is nothing exotic in the result.

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 01:06 PM

That's pretty juicy.

Sikeliot, use MDLP K16 too, it has a shitload of various regional samples.

They are halfway between North Greeks and Abruzzese.

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.19
2 Neolithic 25.34
3 Steppe 14.25
4 NorthEastEuropean 11.83
5 NearEast 6.76
6 NorthAfrican 2.16
7 Siberian 0.51
8 SouthEastAsian 0.38
9 EastAfrican 0.33
10 Amerindian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Macedonia) 3.18
2 Italian (Abruzzo) 3.23
3 Greek (Greece) 3.64
4 Greek (Peloponnes) 3.71
5 Italian (SouthItaly) 4.4
6 Greek (Athens) 4.5
7 Sicilian (Sicily) 4.78
8 Albanian (Albania) 4.86
9 Jew (Ashkenazi) 4.99
10 Greek (Thessaloniki) 5.01
11 Jew (Ashkenazim) 5.51
12 Greek (Greece) 6.16
13 Maltese (Malta) 6.7
14 Kosovar (Kosovo) 7.15
15 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 7.28
16 Jew (Ashkenazi) 7.62
17 Jew (Bulgaria) 8.23
18 Italian (Tuscany) 8.77
19 Jew (Italian) 9.18
20 Italian (NorthIitaly) 9.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.6% Greek (Macedonia) + 49.4% Italian (Abruzzo) @ 1.68
2 61% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 39% English (Kent) @ 1.98
3 84.8% Greek (Greece) + 15.2% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 2.07
4 55.8% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 44.2% German (Germany) @ 2.12
5 90.2% Greek (Greece) + 9.8% Jew (Georgia) @ 2.13
6 88.4% Greek (Greece) + 11.6% Assyrian (Armenia) @ 2.13
7 90% Greek (Greece) + 10% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.15
8 64.7% Greek (Macedonia) + 35.3% Sicilian (Sicily) @ 2.16
9 91.8% Italian (Abruzzo) + 8.2% Adygei (Adygea) @ 2.19
10 62.6% Greek (Macedonia) + 37.4% Italian (SouthItaly) @ 2.22
11 92.2% Italian (Abruzzo) + 7.8% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.23
12 90.2% Greek (Greece) + 9.8% Jew (Iraqi) @ 2.24
13 86% Greek (Greece) + 14% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) @ 2.25
14 89.9% Greek (Greece) + 10.1% Georgian (Kakheti) @ 2.26
15 59.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 40.1% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.26
16 66.8% Greek (Greece) + 33.2% Greek (Greece) @ 2.28
17 91.8% Italian (Abruzzo) + 8.2% Balkar (Kabardino-Balkaria) @ 2.28
18 91.4% Italian (Abruzzo) + 8.6% Kumyk (Dagestan) @ 2.29
19 88.6% Greek (Greece) + 11.4% Druze (Mount_Carmel) @ 2.29
20 87.1% Greek (Greece) + 12.9% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) @ 2.29

kingjohn

12-10-2017, 01:09 PM

what about this dude eurogenes k36 ?:confused:

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 01:11 PM

what about this dude eurogenes k36 ?:confused:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 3.07
Armenian 3.25
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.58
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.49
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 7.75
East_Med 22.86
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 3.74
Iberian 2.42
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.26
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 8.82
North_African 1.40
North_Atlantic 3.50
North_Caucasian 7.60
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.63
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.22
West_Med 7.42

kingjohn

12-10-2017, 01:17 PM

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 01:26 PM

7.75% east central euro wow :)
there are some northen greeks that score lower than him in this component
3.50 % north atlantic
he got european elments no doubt about it :)
siceliot
was there any slav invasion to crete sometime in history ?

No. But Slavic DNA could have been carried there, and to other islands, indirectly if mainland Greeks settled.

Western Crete was Doric land, and Dorians carried BaltoSlavic components too.

Tauromachos

12-10-2017, 01:55 PM

No. But Slavic DNA could have been carried there, and to other islands, indirectly if mainland Greeks settled.

Western Crete was Doric land, and Dorians carried BaltoSlavic components too.

Sorry but from where do you know what Dorians carried or what there components were?

This guy might have Venetian ancestry or it could be from Balkanites like Montenegrins who came as mercenaries to Crete
and assimilated there.

Crete never had a Slavic invasion.

And i doubt that Mainland Greeks would bring so much Slavic with their settlement.

Also R1a is in Crete 2,2% by the way.

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 01:57 PM

Sorry but from where do you know what Dorians carried or what there components were?

This guy might have Venetian ancestry or it could be from Balkanites like Montenegrins who came as mercenaries to Crete
and assimilated there.

Crete never had a Slavic invasion.

And i doubt that Mainland Greeks would bring so much Slavic with their settlement.

Also R1a is in Crete 2,2% by the way.

Well something happened in western Crete because the population there, from the results I have seen and just by looking at their features, should be more European than those on the eastern side of the island.

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 02:04 PM

WAIT sorry "Greek East" is NORTH AEGEAN not Ionian. I mean Chios, Samos, Lesbos etc

Tauromachos

12-10-2017, 02:05 PM

Well something happened in western Crete because the population there, from the results I have seen and just by looking at their features, should be more European than those on the eastern side of the island.

I know alot of West Cretans who don't look different from other Cretans at all and they can also
be very dark types believe me.

Lavrentis is also from West Crete thats what he said at least.

Well you have to know also during the time of the revoloutions against the Ottomans there were alot
of people from other regions to support the Cretans not only Greeks but even Russians.

Also there were Venetians in Crete.

The features you are refering to as more European you can find among other parts of Aegean Islanders as well.

For example in Cyclades you can find people with the same looks among other types that looks different.

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 02:08 PM

I know alot of West Cretans who don't look different from other Cretans at all and they can also
be very dark types believe me.

Lavrentis is also from West Crete thats what he said at least.

Well you have to know also during the time of the revoloutions against the Ottomans there were alot
of people from other regions to support the Cretans not only Greeks but even Russians.

Also there were Venetians in Crete.

The features you are refering to as more European you can find among other parts of Aegean Islanders as well.

For example in Cyclades you can find people with the same looks among other types that looks different.

My impression of all the results is western Crete, Cyclades, and some North Aegeans are closer to the mainland than are the Dodecanese or eastern Crete. The latter are the ones more like Calabria or Sicily.

The Cretan result I posted in this thread can be modeled as half Abruzzese, half Macedonian Greek.

kleenex

12-10-2017, 02:12 PM

They are halfway between North Greeks and Abruzzese.

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.19
2 Neolithic 25.34
3 Steppe 14.25
4 NorthEastEuropean 11.83
5 NearEast 6.76
6 NorthAfrican 2.16
7 Siberian 0.51
8 SouthEastAsian 0.38
9 EastAfrican 0.33
10 Amerindian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Macedonia) 3.18
2 Italian (Abruzzo) 3.23
3 Greek (Greece) 3.64
4 Greek (Peloponnes) 3.71
5 Italian (SouthItaly) 4.4
6 Greek (Athens) 4.5
7 Sicilian (Sicily) 4.78
8 Albanian (Albania) 4.86
9 Jew (Ashkenazi) 4.99
10 Greek (Thessaloniki) 5.01
11 Jew (Ashkenazim) 5.51
12 Greek (Greece) 6.16
13 Maltese (Malta) 6.7
14 Kosovar (Kosovo) 7.15
15 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 7.28
16 Jew (Ashkenazi) 7.62
17 Jew (Bulgaria) 8.23
18 Italian (Tuscany) 8.77
19 Jew (Italian) 9.18
20 Italian (NorthIitaly) 9.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.6% Greek (Macedonia) + 49.4% Italian (Abruzzo) @ 1.68
2 61% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 39% English (Kent) @ 1.98
3 84.8% Greek (Greece) + 15.2% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 2.07
4 55.8% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 44.2% German (Germany) @ 2.12
5 90.2% Greek (Greece) + 9.8% Jew (Georgia) @ 2.13
6 88.4% Greek (Greece) + 11.6% Assyrian (Armenia) @ 2.13
7 90% Greek (Greece) + 10% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.15
8 64.7% Greek (Macedonia) + 35.3% Sicilian (Sicily) @ 2.16
9 91.8% Italian (Abruzzo) + 8.2% Adygei (Adygea) @ 2.19
10 62.6% Greek (Macedonia) + 37.4% Italian (SouthItaly) @ 2.22
11 92.2% Italian (Abruzzo) + 7.8% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.23
12 90.2% Greek (Greece) + 9.8% Jew (Iraqi) @ 2.24
13 86% Greek (Greece) + 14% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) @ 2.25
14 89.9% Greek (Greece) + 10.1% Georgian (Kakheti) @ 2.26
15 59.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 40.1% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.26
16 66.8% Greek (Greece) + 33.2% Greek (Greece) @ 2.28
17 91.8% Italian (Abruzzo) + 8.2% Balkar (Kabardino-Balkaria) @ 2.28
18 91.4% Italian (Abruzzo) + 8.6% Kumyk (Dagestan) @ 2.29
19 88.6% Greek (Greece) + 11.4% Druze (Mount_Carmel) @ 2.29
20 87.1% Greek (Greece) + 12.9% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) @ 2.29

(K 16)In comparison to a mainlander: slightly higher Caucusus, slightly lower Neolithic, pretty even Steppe, but lower NE Euro (Slavic input?) but overall close. A mainlander may be 60% Macedonia-40% Bergamo. I think I understand all components except lower Neolithic in Cretan sample.

Tauromachos

12-10-2017, 02:12 PM

My impression of all the results is western Crete, Cyclades, and some North Aegeans are closer to the mainland than are the Dodecanese or eastern Crete. The latter are the ones more like Calabria or Sicily.

The Cretan result I posted in this thread can be modeled as half Abruzzese, half Macedonian Greek.

Ok but i pointed that out several times.
And you always ignored it

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 02:13 PM

(K 16)From a mainlander slightly higher Caucusus, slightly lower Neolithic, pretty even Steppe, but lower NE Euro (Slavic input?) but overall close. A mainlander may be 60% Macedonia-40% Bergamo. I think I understand all components except lower Neolithic in Cretan sample.

I am surprised to see this but apparently the lighter looks in western Crete do in fact correspond to elevated Northern ancestry.

Voskos

12-10-2017, 02:35 PM

North crete(sikeliot's example) vs South crete(me):

North:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.19
2 Neolithic 25.34
3 Steppe 14.25
4 NorthEastEuropean 11.83
5 NearEast 6.76
6 NorthAfrican 2.16
7 Siberian 0.51
8 SouthEastAsian 0.38
9 EastAfrican 0.33
10 Amerindian 0.25

South:
Amerindian -
Ancestor -
Steppe 11.50
Indian 0.10
Arctic -
Australian 0.30
Caucasian 41.33
EastAfrican 0.47
NorthEastEuropean 9.59
NearEast 8.30
Neolithic 25.08
NorthAfrican 2.66
Oceanic 0.16
Siberian 0.36
SouthEastAsian -
Subsaharian 0.15

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 02:36 PM

Voskos

12-10-2017, 03:45 PM

Can you show me your top populations?

If I remember correctly, you are closer to Sicilians than to anyone else, no?

depends on the calc. on this calc not so much.

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew (Ashkenazi) 3.94
2 Greek (Athens) 4.04
3 Greek (Greece) 4.05
4 Italian (SouthItaly) 4.23
5 Jew (Ashkenazim) 4.24
6 Sicilian (Sicily) 4.72
7 Greek (Macedonia) 5.47
8 Jew (Bulgaria) 5.65
9 Italian (Abruzzo) 5.85
10 Maltese (Malta) 6.2
11 Jew (Italian) 6.36
12 Greek (Peloponnes) 6.82
13 Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) 7.3
14 Greek (Greece) 7.39
15 Jew (Sephardim) 7.39
16 Jew (Ashkenazi) 7.47
17 Jew (Turkey) 7.55
18 Albanian (Albania) 8.23
19 Greek (Thessaloniki) 8.38
20 Jew (Algeria) 9.06

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 03:48 PM

depends on the calc. on this calc not so much.

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew (Ashkenazi) 3.94
2 Greek (Athens) 4.04
3 Greek (Greece) 4.05
4 Italian (SouthItaly) 4.23
5 Jew (Ashkenazim) 4.24
6 Sicilian (Sicily) 4.72
7 Greek (Macedonia) 5.47
8 Jew (Bulgaria) 5.65
9 Italian (Abruzzo) 5.85
10 Maltese (Malta) 6.2
11 Jew (Italian) 6.36
12 Greek (Peloponnes) 6.82
13 Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) 7.3
14 Greek (Greece) 7.39
15 Jew (Sephardim) 7.39
16 Jew (Ashkenazi) 7.47
17 Jew (Turkey) 7.55
18 Albanian (Albania) 8.23
19 Greek (Thessaloniki) 8.38
20 Jew (Algeria) 9.06

For comparison this is what my Sicilian cousin scores. She seems a bit more Near Eastern than you, but not too much.

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.7
2 Neolithic 25.1
3 Steppe 12.38
4 NearEast 8.1
5 NorthEastEuropean 7.3
6 NorthAfrican 4.97
7 Arctic 0.78
8 EastAfrican 0.76
9 Australian 0.57
10 Oceanic 0.16
11 Subsaharian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew (Ashkenazi) 2.72
2 Italian (SouthItaly) 3.24
3 Jew (Ashkenazim) 3.66
4 Sicilian (Sicily) 3.97
5 Jew (Bulgaria) 4.03
6 Jew (Italian) 4.71
7 Maltese (Malta) 4.89
8 Greek (Athens) 5.6
9 Italian (Abruzzo) 5.62
10 Jew (Turkey) 5.66
11 Jew (Sephardim) 5.85
12 Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) 6.06
13 Greek (Greece) 6.31
14 Jew (Algeria) 6.73
15 Jew (Ashkenazi) 6.74
16 Greek (Macedonia) 7.13
17 Jew (Morocco) 7.76
18 Greek (Peloponnes) 7.93
19 Greek (Greece) 8.25
20 Albanian (Albania) 9.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Italian (SouthItaly) + 30.4% Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) @ 2.08
2 55.2% Greek (Athens) + 44.8% Jew (Algeria) @ 2.08
3 84.6% Italian (SouthItaly) + 15.4% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) @ 2.14
4 85.9% Italian (SouthItaly) + 14.1% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) @ 2.15
5 86.2% Italian (SouthItaly) + 13.8% Samaritan (Israel) @ 2.16
6 84.5% Italian (SouthItaly) + 15.5% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 2.22
7 87.9% Sicilian (Sicily) + 12.1% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.3
8 59.2% Italian (SouthItaly) + 40.8% Jew (Bulgaria) @ 2.31
9 89.4% Italian (SouthItaly) + 10.6% Palestinian (Israel) @ 2.32
10 86.3% Italian (SouthItaly) + 13.7% Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon) @ 2.35
11 89.4% Italian (SouthItaly) + 10.6% Druze (Mount_Carmel) @ 2.35
12 55.5% Jew (Italian) + 44.5% Greek (Athens) @ 2.36
13 89.8% Italian (SouthItaly) + 10.2% Assyrian (Armenia) @ 2.38
14 86% Sicilian (Sicily) + 14% Assyrian (Armenia) @ 2.41
15 89.3% Italian (SouthItaly) + 10.7% Syrian (Syria) @ 2.42
16 90.3% Italian (SouthItaly) + 9.7% Armenian (Vardnis) @ 2.42
17 89.3% Italian (SouthItaly) + 10.7% Lebanese (Lebanon) @ 2.44
18 84.6% Sicilian (Sicily) + 15.4% Armenian (Lebanon) @ 2.44
19 88.9% Italian (SouthItaly) + 11.1% Jordanian (Jordanian) @ 2.46
20 90.4% Italian (SouthItaly) + 9.6% Assyrian (Turkey) @ 2.48

Raizen

12-10-2017, 03:49 PM

Tauromachos

12-10-2017, 06:29 PM

Danaan

12-10-2017, 06:33 PM

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 06:35 PM

Apparently, southern Crete should be more similar to Sicily than the northern coast is.

Tauromachos

12-10-2017, 06:38 PM

Who have said that exactly?

Dorians Balto-Slavic:confused: pfffff

DarknessWin

12-10-2017, 07:03 PM

7.75% east central euro wow :)
there are some northen greeks that score lower than him in this component
3.50 % north atlantic
he got european elments no doubt about it :)
siceliot
was there any slav invasion to crete sometime in history ?
regards
and thanks for sharing
adam

Whole of Greece included Crete have the same Slavic influence as R1a-M458 show

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-M458.png

Voskos

12-10-2017, 07:05 PM

You are from West Crete?

notiodytiki kriti

Tauromachos

12-10-2017, 07:06 PM

notiodytiki kriti

E loipon ti lei autos o vlakas o Sikelianos?

Voskos

12-10-2017, 07:12 PM

E loipon ti lei autos o vlakas o Sikelianos?

ki autos apo allous ta exei akousei logika.

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 07:15 PM

ki autos apo allous ta exei akousei logika.

what is being said above between you and cybernetic? It is in my thread and I should be able to read everything in here after all...

Tauromachos

12-10-2017, 07:16 PM

what is being said above between you and cybernetic? It is in my thread and I should be able to read everything in here after all...

Nothing to worry about.

Anyway you see mongrel is from West Crete as he told me.

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 07:17 PM

Nothing to worry about.

Anyway you see mongrel is from West Crete as he told me.

It is very disrespectful to come into my thread and try to communicate such that I cannot understand it.

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 07:19 PM

Dorians Balto-Slavic:confused: pfffff

Then explain the elevated Northern elements relative to Sicilians, other Cretans.

Tauromachos

12-10-2017, 07:21 PM

It is very disrespectful to come into my thread and try to communicate such that I cannot understand it.

You could learn Greek so that you understand everything.

I mean since you are interested in Ancient Greece,Italy and the Levante and have some relations to these places
why not learn three languages like Greek,Italian and Hebrew

Voskos

12-10-2017, 07:24 PM

what is being said above between you and cybernetic? It is in my thread and I should be able to read everything in here after all...

he asked where i'm from, I told him and then he asked what made you think west crete is slavic shifted. I replied that you probably made this assumption due to other members/trolls and anthro bloggers repeating the same old stuff about Greeks having been replaced by Slavs.

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 07:26 PM

he asked where i'm from, I told him and then he asked what made you think west crete is slavic shifted. I replied that you probably made this assumption due to other members/trolls and anthro bloggers repeating the same old stuff about Greeks having been replaced by Slavs.

Well there has to be some explanation for western Crete shifting north. It has to either be Venetians, Doric, or indirect Slavic input from the mainland.

When you see this person can be modeled as 85% Sicilian and 15% "Steppe" (RE: Balto-Slavic) it implies to me that it is from a northeastern source.

Tauromachos

12-10-2017, 07:39 PM

Well there has to be some explanation for western Crete shifting north. It has to either be Venetians, Doric, or indirect Slavic input from the mainland.

When you see this person can be modeled as 85% Sicilian and 15% "Steppe" (RE: Balto-Slavic) it implies to me that it is from a northeastern source.

As you can see with mongrel's example not all West Cretans shift that way

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 07:40 PM

As you can see with mongrel's example not all West Cretans shift that way

He's from the south. He is still slightly "north" of my Sicilian cousin, but not as much as the person I posted.

Tauromachos

12-10-2017, 07:42 PM

He's from the south. He is still slightly "north" of my Sicilian cousin, but not as much as the person I posted.

Sfakia is also located in South West Crete.

Sikeliot

12-10-2017, 07:43 PM

Sfakia is also located in South West Crete.

I don't know. I just know some people in western Crete shift north.

Tauromachos

12-10-2017, 08:03 PM

I don't know. I just know some people in western Crete shift north.

Ok thats fair and legit

Danaan

12-10-2017, 09:01 PM

It is very disrespectful to come into my thread and try to communicate such that I cannot understand it.

Τιλερεγύφτο;