West Slavs vs. East Germans: genetic comparison

[Bosniensis]

Not very Turkic, but Finno-Ugric in northern parts. Slavic Russians are in Smolensk, Oryol, Voronezh, Volgograd, etc.. in this "smaller" towns you can find pure Slavic Russians.

Finno-Ugric = a nice way to say Turkic xD

[Stears]

Finno-Ugric = a nice way to say Turkic xD

Wrong. There is no relation.

[Bosniensis]

Wrong. There is no relation.

Ok.

xD

[Stears]

Ok.

xD

I know, you never read serious scientific book in your life, so you are easy pray for pseudo-scientific propaganda.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Finno-Ugric = a nice way to say Turkic xD

??? It's not the same.

[Bosniensis]

I know, you never read serious scientific book in your life, so you are easy pray for pseudo-scientific propaganda.

:bored::picard2: ok...

[Leto]

Russians have strong Turkic admixture as well.
Volga Tatars (the biggest Turkic autochthonous minority in Russia) are around 80% West Eurasian genetically and who can prove that the remaining 20% is predominantly of Turkic origin when you have Volgaic/Permic groups like Mari, Udmurts, Komi with roughly the same amount of East Eurasian DNA (even a bit more in the case of Mari and Udmurts). So the actual Turkic admixture is very small in Russians, in many cases non-existant.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Volga Tatars (the biggest Turkic autochthonous minority in Russia) are around 80% West Eurasian genetically and who can prove that the remaining 20% is predominantly of Turkic origin when you have Volgaic/Permic groups like Mari, Udmurts, Komi with roughly the same amount of East Eurasian DNA (even a bit more in the case of Mari and Udmurts). So the actual Turkic admixture is very small in Russians, in many cases non-existant.

How existant is Q in the European part of Russia?

[spik]

Volga Tatars (the biggest Turkic autochthonous minority in Russia) are around 80% West Eurasian genetically and who can prove that the remaining 20% is predominantly of Turkic origin when you have Volgaic/Permic groups like Mari, Udmurts, Komi with roughly the same amount of East Eurasian DNA (even a bit more in the case of Mari and Udmurts). So the actual Turkic admixture is very small in Russians, in many cases non-existant.
In that case, East Eurasian genes are very strong in some Russians.

[MercifulServant]

In that case, East Eurasian genes are very strong in some Russians.

Not Among ethnic Russians

[spik]

Poles and Belarussians are the purest Slavs genetically. In Russia, a lot of towns and regions are not Slavic.. but their identity is, of course.

Next thing scientists will say there were never any genetic Russians.

[spik]

Not Among ethnic Russians

What are those exactly?

[MercifulServant]

What are those exactly?

Slavic ethnic Russians what else? the dominant group in Russia

[spik]

Wrong. There is no relation.

Embrace Hungarian Turanism.

[MercifulServant]

Embrace Hungarian Turanism.

Hungarians are European genetically so turanism wouldn't make any sense at all

[spik]

Slavic Russians what else the dominant group in Russia

What are Slavic Russians exactly? Does it have something to do with their identity? Or do the looks make a Russian? Or is it genetics and a family tree consisting of only ‘Russians’ stretching hundreds of years ago?

[MercifulServant]

What are Slavic Russians exactly? Does it have something to do with their identity? Or do the looks make a Russian? Or is it genetics and a family tree consisting of only ‘Russians’ stretching hundreds of years ago?

If you're family is of Russian descent then you are Russian Russian is an East Slavic ethnic group just like how poles are an ethnic group

[Leto]

In that case, East Eurasian genes are very strong in some Russians.
The average Russian is around 5% East Eurasian, some Northern Russians are like 10-12%, but they are a minority. Of course, there's quite a few people with recently mixed ancestry (part Tatar, part Buryat, etc.).

[spik]

If you're family is of Russian descent then you are Russian Russian is an East Slavic ethnic group just like how poles are an ethnic group

All I was saying that some Russians have some Asiatic features, possibly due to unknown historical mixture in the bloodline.

[Leto]

How existant is Q in the European part of Russia?
Pretty rare. I guess even rarer than C. Less than 1%.

[MercifulServant]

All I was saying that some Russians have some Asiatic features, possibly due to unknown historical mixture in the bloodline.

Ethnic Russians typically don't have asiatic features if they do it's not because of mongoloid dna it is usually just a look that they got from adaptations to the extreme cold

[Leto]

All I was saying that some Russians have some Asiatic features, possibly due to unknown historical mixture in the bloodline.
So what? Peripheral or transcontinental places usually have some 'transitional' genetic groups, there's nothing spectacular about that. Just like the southernmost places of Europe are not particularly 'pan-European' (Sicily, Greek islands, Malta, etc.).

[spik]

Ethnic Russians typically don't have asiatic features if they do it's not because of mongoloid dna or is usually just a look that they got from adaptations to the extreme cold

I agree with you, they typically don’t, but a significant minority does. Anyways, what purpose would high wide cheekbones would serve in cold adaptation.

[spik]

So what? Peripheral or transcontinental places usually have some 'transitional' genetic groups, there's nothing spectacular about that. Just like the southernmost places of Europe are not particularly 'pan-European' (Sicily, Greek islands, Malta, etc.).

So what? He was the one saying Russians don’t have those features.

[MercifulServant]

I agree with you, they typically don’t, but a significant minority does. Anyways, what purpose would high wide cheekbones would serve in cold adaptation.

Its a process called balticization cromagnids developed softer features. But there is also a opinion that baltids are a Nordic Alpine and Lapp cross still they have minimal to no mongoloid admix and show no true mongoloid features there are some asiatic types but usually are finno ugric like Uralid but Baltid is not mongoloid

[Leto]

As someone who has seen several hundreds (!) of Russian GEDmatch results, I think I can be more or less objective. Anyway, this topic is not about Russians, but West Slavs and East Germans.

[Peterski]

Thomas Gottschalk's DNA results:

https://twitter.com/herbstblond/status/957276365195284480/photo/1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gottschalk

https://i.imgur.com/mxHFGdu.jpg

^^^
Is he actually descended from Gottschalk?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottschalk_(Obotrite_prince)


Saint Gottschalk (or Godescalc) (Latin: Godescalcus) (died 6 June 1066) was a prince of the Obotrite confederacy from 1043 to 1066. He established a Slavic kingdom on the Elbe (in the area of present-day northeastern Germany) in the mid-11th century. His object in life seems to have been to collect the scattered tribes of the Slavs into one kingdom, and to make that kingdom Christian.[1]

"A pious and god-fearing man",[2] Gottschalk effected the Christianisation of the Slavic tribes of the Elbe. He organised missions of German priests and founded monasteries at Oldenburg, Mecklenburg, Ratzeburg, Lübeck, and Lenzen, erecting the first three into dioceses. He himself often accompanied the missionaries on their work and augmented their message with his own explanations and instructions.

In all this, he was supported by the efforts of Adalbert, Archbishop of Hamburg. However, the Obotrite nobility and peasantry largely remained pagan. (...)