Confirmed Y-DNA

[Mortimer]

My SNP EV-13 YDNA Pack was completed and my confirmed Haplogroup is E-PH1246

So is that the haplogroup of the Vasojevici Clan from Montenegro. Can you give me more informations? Thanks.

https://s8.postimg.org/fd3635eid/Orderhistoryftdna.jpg

https://s8.postimg.org/s4hc9q8vp/Haplogroupsftdna.jpg

My most distant known direct paternal ancestor. My great grandfather Ilija. He was fully Serb as far as I know.

[Dick]

Congratulations.

[Carpatz]

Nice man. So the gypsy is from your mother's side?

[Mortimer]

Nice man. So the gypsy is from your mother's side?

yes.

[Kelmendasi]

Congrats. If you are E-PH1246* your paternal side is most likely from the Vasojevici but if you are E-PH1246>BY14160 your paternal side is most likely from the Rajovici clan, idk if that SNP pack tests for BY14160 but if it does and you are negative for it you are Vasojevic not Rajovic

[Bosniensis]

Congrats. If you are E-PH1246* your paternal side is most likely from the Vasojevici but if you are E-PH1246>BY14160 your paternal side is most likely from the Rajovici clan, idk if that SNP pack tests for BY14160 but if it does and you are negative for it you are Vasojevic not Rajovic

What do you think about Big Y?

Is it worth for South Slavs to go after it?

What does it shows? What can it Reveal?

[Kelmendasi]

What do you think about Big Y?

Is it worth for South Slavs to go after it?

What does it shows? What can it Reveal?
If you have a typical South Slavic Ydna which can be distinguished via markers easily then there is no point in doing Big Y but if you belong to a rare or basal group which cannot be distinguished via markers then they should do Big Y, also Big Y gives really accurate matches afaik

[Mortimer]

Congrats. If you are E-PH1246* your paternal side is most likely from the Vasojevici but if you are E-PH1246>BY14160 your paternal side is most likely from the Rajovici clan, idk if that SNP pack tests for BY14160 but if it does and you are negative for it you are Vasojevic not Rajovic

Thanks. Interesting. Whats the difference between the Vasojevici and the Rajovici? Are the Rajovici also from Montenegro?

It says this BY14149 if i click on more
PH1246More...BY14149

[jingorex]

My SNP EV-13 YDNA Pack was completed and my confirmed Haplogroup is E-PH1246

So is that the haplogroup of the Vasojevici Clan from Montenegro. Can you give me more informations? Thanks.


your grand pappy looks pimp, like you!

[Kelmendasi]

Thanks. Interesting. Whats the difference between the Vasojevici and the Rajovici? Are the Rajovici also from Montenegro?

It says this BY14149 if i click on more
PH1246More...BY14149
The Rajovic iirc are believed to be a brotherhood of Vasojevici but they are more likely to have been natives who got assimilated into the clan, yes they are from Montenegro around the same area as Vasojevic. Could you send a screen shot of the SNPs so that I can see for which you are positive as I can’t find much on BY14149?

[Mortimer]

The Rajovic iirc are believed to be a brotherhood of Vasojevici but they are more likely to have been natives who got assimilated into the clan, yes they are from Montenegro around the same area as Vasojevic. Could you send a screen shot of the SNPs so that I can see for which you are positive as I can’t find much on BY14149?

I see it like this when I click on YDNA Snps. I dont know how this works though.

https://s18.postimg.org/yfs0j5ieh/YDNASNPTree.jpg

[Mortimer]

I think the one you mentioned is in black letters, and i think that means presumed negative.

[Bobby Martnen]

Any plans to do Big Y?

(I'll do it after I graduate college and earn enough money)

[Kelmendasi]

I see it like this when I click on YDNA Snps. I dont know how this works though.

[IM]https://s18.postimg.org/yfs0j5ieh/YDNASNPTree.jpg[/IMG]
Seems like BY14149 is just a snp linked to PH1246. It looks like BY14160(Rajovic) wasn’t tested but its downstream was and you’re negative for it so I would assume that you are negative for BY14160 as well. Looks like you are probably Vasojevic although you need to test the downstream of PH1246 to be sure(test BY14151 and BY14160 if you can)

[Kelmendasi]

I think the one you mentioned is in black letters, and i think that means presumed negative.
I think it just means that they weren’t tested so they are automatically presumed negative

[Bosniensis]

I think it just means that they weren’t tested so they are automatically presumed negative

Can't wait to get my FTDNA results then I will be reposting all my results and gedmatch all over again, that's at least 20 threads xD xD xD

[Mortimer]

Any plans to do Big Y?

(I'll do it after I graduate college and earn enough money)

No plans so far maybe later

[Rethel]

Eeee... I thought, you really had confirmed it.
Just a testing a subclade is not a real confirmation,
as you allready knew it before basically.

First, you should confirm if you have the right hg at all,
and of, then to check, if you have real ties to that clan.

Hg is not enaugh, especially one single person.

[Fustan]

Grats bro, ignore the literal inbred guy above ^

[cosmoo]

OJ VASOVA ČISTA KRVI
ĐE JE PLJAČKA TU SMO PRVI

[Mortimer]

Eeee... I thought, you really had confirmed it.
Just a testing a subclade is not a real confirmation,
as you allready knew it before basically.

First, you should confirm if you have the right hg at all,
and of, then to check, if you have real ties to that clan.

Hg is not enaugh, especially one single person.

I tested my hg 3 times first with 23andme second with national genographic and third with ftdna it must be right

[Rethel]

I tested my hg 3 times first with 23andme second with national genographic and third with ftdna it must be right

It is right, that you have it.
But you do not know, if it it right hg which you have.
To establish it, you have to test the most distant relatives possible.
The best, those who are related with you at the very origin of the family.
And genealogically/historically check, if your family is the part of mentioned clan at all.

One hg is meaningless. It only bind's you to the original tribe and forefather, Kasluch most probably.

[Mortimer]

It is right, that you have it.
But you do not know, if it it right hg which you have.
To establish it, you have to test the most distant relatives possible.
The best, those who are related with you at the very origin of the family.
And genealogically/historically check, if your family is the part of mentioned clan at all.

One hg is meaningless. It only bind's you to the original tribe and forefather, Kasluch most probably.

Europanazione once wrote me pm that i might be based on my surname before i tested even. And if i have all my direct paternal relatives and ancestors will have it too like my father his father his father etc

[Rethel]

Europanazione once wrote me pm that i might be based on my surname before i tested even. And if i have all my direct paternal relatives and ancestors will have it too like my father his father his father etc

But probability is not certaintity.

[Jackson78]

Koja je krsna slava tvoje familije po ocu?

[Mortimer]

Koja je krsna slava tvoje familije po ocu?

Sveti Nikola

[Mortimer]

But probability is not certaintity.

yes. but i dont need certainity, because even if i go back to them it is a old or distant connection only on the paternal line, it doesnt mean much in real life who i am.

[MercifulServant]

Looks badass

[Mortimer]

Looks badass

Thanks bro but please delete the picture. Dont quote it thanks.

[MercifulServant]

Thanks bro but please delete the picture. Dont quote it thanks.

Alright, Sorry about that just curious though why are you concerned with people quoting his picture as hes not a living person.

[Rethel]

it doesnt mean much in real life who i am.

:picard2:

[Slavic Italian]

yes. but i dont need certainity, because even if i go back to them it is a old or distant connection only on the paternal line, it doesnt mean much in real life who i am.

This is true.

[Mortimer]

This is true.

I told my mum about it, and she doesnt even know who the Vasojevici are. Im now from Vojvodina not from Montenegro. It really has little relevance. I also dont know any Vasojevic from Montenegro.

Edit: But its good for anthronerd talk.

[Kelmendasi]

I told my mum about it, and she doesnt even know who the Vasojevici are. Im now from Vojvodina not from Montenegro. It really has little relevance. I also dont know any Vasojevic from Montenegro.

Edit: But its good for anthronerd talk.
The hell lol, Montenegro makes perfect sense but Vojvodina not really unless some Brda Clansmen from Montenegro migrated there

[rajo]

The Rajovic iirc are believed to be a brotherhood of Vasojevici but they are more likely to have been natives who got assimilated into the clan, yes they are from Montenegro around the same area as Vasojevic. Could you send a screen shot of the SNPs so that I can see for which you are positive as I can’t find much on BY14149?

Rajovici by14160 are not a brotherhood of Vasojevici. There is a brotherhood of Vasojevici called Rajovici though.
Rajovici by14160 are from the Kuči tribe, although they do not share the terminal snp with other Kuči. They migrated to Serbia in late xvii century. Their family patron is st. Nicholas.

[Kelmendasi]

Rajovici by14160 are not a brotherhood of Vasojevici. There is a brotherhood of Vasojevici called Rajovici though.
Rajovici by14160 are from the Kuči tribe, although they do not share the terminal snp with other Kuči. They migrated to Serbia in late xvii century. Their family patron is st. Nicholas.
Interesting, they may be descended from the Vasojevici though as their Ydna descends from the Vasojevici Ydna and perhaps were absorbed by Kuqi. Kuqi belongs to a completely different haplogroup, they are E-V13>Z16661 which is from a whole different branch of V13 than BY14160

[Kriptc06]

Congrats bro, I want to do that SNP pack too, but now im testing other relatives, including my uncle to know my maternal grandpa Ydna. cheers!

\As for me, I have two possibilities E-S7461 or E-Y3183 both predicted by Nevgen

[Kelmendasi]

Congrats bro, I want to do that SNP pack too, but now im testing other relatives, including my uncle to know my maternal grandpa Ydna. cheers!

\As for me, I have two possibilities E-S7461 or E-Y3183 both predicted by Nevgen
Same I too have just tested my maternal Ydna and am waiting for the results, one of the admins at the Albanian bloodlines project believes them to be E-V13. S7461 is linked to Western Europe iirc

[Skerdilaid]

Interesting, they may be descended from the Vasojevici though as their Ydna descends from the Vasojevici Ydna and perhaps were absorbed by Kuqi. Kuqi belongs to a completely different haplogroup, they are E-V13>Z16661 which is from a whole different branch of V13 than BY14160
They are not closely related bro. They belong to different subclades under PH1246.

[digital_noise]

Congrats. If you are E-PH1246* your paternal side is most likely from the Vasojevici but if you are E-PH1246>BY14160 your paternal side is most likely from the Rajovici clan, idk if that SNP pack tests for BY14160 but if it does and you are negative for it you are Vasojevic not Rajovic

Hey, I know this is an old thread but it is relevant here.
I just got my Big Y results and it seems my terminal haplogroup at this point is E-BY14160. Before, using the E-V13 pack it stopped at E-PH1246.

Paternal side is Calabrese since 1700's, probably before as well. Not sure how to use the Big Y info to figure things out further back and unfortunately I have no matches..

[Kelmendasi]

Hey, I know this is an old thread but it is relevant here.
I just got my Big Y results and it seems my terminal haplogroup at this point is E-BY14160. Before, using the E-V13 pack it stopped at E-PH1246.

Paternal side is Calabrese since 1700's, probably before as well. Not sure how to use the Big Y info to figure things out further back and unfortunately I have no matches..
Perhaps it's possible that you may have Arbereshe ancestry considering that there is a E-PH1246 Arbereshe, though I don't know if he is positive for BY14160 and you have no matches making things harder.

[Pubiczar]

Hey, I know this is an old thread but it is relevant here.
I just got my Big Y results and it seems my terminal haplogroup at this point is E-BY14160. Before, using the E-V13 pack it stopped at E-PH1246.

Paternal side is Calabrese since 1700's, probably before as well. Not sure how to use the Big Y info to figure things out further back and unfortunately I have no matches..

There is one Bulgarian from Macedonia confirmed as E-BY14160 although he is also positive for the SNP downstream BY14150!
E-BY14160 is old around 4600 years according to YFULL: https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY14160/
It has interesting distribution as my own subclade, as it is found in the British isles, the eastern coast of Saudi Arabia and the Balkans!
I can argue that mine and your subclade were part of a same ancient group of people(although I have no idea who they were) because of the similar distribution.
Have you done Y-STR test?
If not, you may consider doing that and you might find some close matches and other clues for your paternal origin!

[Ayetooey]

There is one Bulgarian from Macedonia confirmed as E-BY14160 although he is also positive for the SNP downstream BY14150!
E-BY14160 is old around 4600 years according to YFULL: https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY14160/
It has interesting distribution as my own subclade, as it is found in the British isles, the eastern coast of Saudi Arabia and the Balkans!
I can argue that mine and your subclade were part of a same ancient group of people(although I have no idea who they were) because of the similar distribution.
Have you done Y-STR test?
If not, you may consider doing that and you might find some close matches and other clues for your paternal origin!

What's the best one to order btw? I'm thinking y-67 or y-111?

[Kelmendasi]

There is one Bulgarian from Macedonia confirmed as E-BY14160 although he is also positive for the SNP downstream BY14150!
E-BY14160 is old around 4600 years according to YFULL: https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY14160/
It has interesting distribution as my own subclade, as it is found in the British isles, the eastern coast of Saudi Arabia and the Balkans!
I can argue that mine and your subclade were part of a same ancient group of people(although I have no idea who they were) because of the similar distribution.
Have you done Y-STR test?
If not, you may consider doing that and you might find some close matches and other clues for your paternal origin!
He did BigY so he has tested STR as when you do BigY it upgrades you to Y-111 from what I understand.

[Kelmendasi]

What's the best one to order btw? I'm thinking y-67 or y-111?
When it comes to STRs the more the merrier, so Y-111 would be best. Though Y-67 is still good and cheaper

[Ayetooey]

When it comes to STRs the more the merrier, so Y-111 would be best. Though Y-67 is still good and cheaper

Can you go for the cheaper one first, then pay the difference later on if you wish to upgrade?

[Kelmendasi]

Can you go for the cheaper one first, then pay the difference later on if you wish to upgrade?
Yh you can go with Y-67 first and if you feel like you want to upgrade to Y-111 you can at a cheaper cost. Y-67 should be enough though imo, Y-37 is usually enough imo.

[Ayetooey]

Yh you can go with Y-67 first and if you feel like you want to upgrade to Y-111 you can at a cheaper cost. Y-67 should be enough though imo, Y-37 is usually enough imo.

I've been told considering I'm I2 that y-37 is almost pointless, I'm leaning towards Y-67 and then upgrading to Y-111 if I want more precision. Big Y seems out of my budget right now, over 500 which is a lot of money for a Y dna test.

[Kelmendasi]

There is one Bulgarian from Macedonia confirmed as E-BY14160 although he is also positive for the SNP downstream BY14150!
E-BY14160 is old around 4600 years according to YFULL: https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY14160/
It has interesting distribution as my own subclade, as it is found in the British isles, the eastern coast of Saudi Arabia and the Balkans!
I can argue that mine and your subclade were part of a same ancient group of people(although I have no idea who they were) because of the similar distribution.
Have you done Y-STR test?
If not, you may consider doing that and you might find some close matches and other clues for your paternal origin!
Your clade seems to be confined to the Balkans so far. Though the downstreams do have an interesting distribution. One downstream had clade that are found in Arab countries, whilst the other downstream has clades found in people of western European/British origin. The Arab clades are really interesting, they must be from European input in the area.

[Kelmendasi]

I've been told considering I'm I2 that y-37 is almost pointless, I'm leaning towards Y-67 and then upgrading to Y-111 if I want more precision. Big Y seems out of my budget right now, over 500 which is a lot of money for a Y dna test.
I don't think it is, with Y37 you could predict most haplogroup subclades. Y-12 and Y-25 on the other hand are difficult and kinda useless. Y-67 would be a good option, and it is better to be safe than sorry. Yeah BigY is expensive

[Pubiczar]

Your clade seems to be confined to the Balkans so far. Though the downstreams do have an interesting distribution. One downstream had clade that are found in Arab countries, whilst the other downstream has clades found in people of western European/British origin. The Arab clades are really interesting, they must be from European input in the area.

Yeah, definitely.
The Arab cluster is confined only to the eastern Arabian coast so far!
That area historically was heavily Persian influenced!
The Arab cluster is only 1650 years old according to YFULL, although they may find some other people in future positive and the age my go up!
If not, we may assume that there were some migrations to that area around 1650 years ago that gave birth to the Arabian branch!
I don't think that it is a Roman influenced migration because the Roman Empire never ruled those territories and only briefly ruled the southern coast of Iraq before losing it very quickly to the Persians!
So I think it might be Persian input but from who did the Persians acquired it, it's a different question!

[digital_noise]

I just uploaded the BAM file to YFull, we will see what they say...

[digital_noise]

Still at E-BY14160. Have a couple close matches, many distant at Y-Full.

So, can anyone shed any light on E-BY14160? Previous statements indicate that it could possibly be Rajovici, but I have only been able to locate internet discussions about this, no concrete facts. On Yfull there is one other guy who is E-BY14160 and he is from Sweden. My paternal side is Calabria...Is this a 3000 year old fork in the road, one set went North, the other hopped in a boat and sailed to Southern Italy?

[Dasbootu96]

Hello ,

I m new on this forum, I m a belgian guy identified EV-13 (90% germanic,10% iberic)

I m new in this area and I would like to know how to find cousins and my origines

Thank
You for your help

Fabrice


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[digital_noise]

There is a Rajovici in the FTDNA E-M35 group who just received Big Y results...E-BY14160, same as me.

Im a super novice at deciphering any of this type of thing, so if anyone cares to look there at the results, feel free (My Kit is B339709, they are the only other BY14160)