What Is Your Opinion of the European Union?

[Teucer]

Feel free to vote in the poll and elaborate your opinions!

[Teucer]

Bump.

[Teucer]

Another bump.

[Maintenance]

Fok eu

[Teucer]

Fok eu

Giati?

[Maintenance]

politismenoi anthropoi re

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EQD6GS0nqE0

[Maintenance]

Eu wants to be like usa, fuck that, let countries decide their own faith.
Now its a competition of which country is the most "humane" fuck that and let refugees drown

[Teucer]

Eu wants to be like usa, fuck that, let countries decide their own faith.
Now its a competition of which country is the most "humane" fuck that and let refugees drown

Entaxi, so would it be fair to say you have a negative perception because of their immigration policies?

[Maintenance]

Entaxi, so would it be fair to say you have a negative perception because of their immigration policies?

Immigration, and eu brings unemployment

Monkeys dont intergrate

[Teucer]

Immigration, and eu brings unemployment

Monkeys dont intergrate

If the EU implemented more integration policies (forced to learn the native language, no religious schools at all, etc) for foreigners coming in, would that change your mind?

[Maintenance]

If the EU implemented more integration policies (forced to learn the native language, no religious schools at all, etc) for foreigners coming in, would that change your mind?

Yes but they wont accept or become native in thinking annd behavior.
If they could get a native mindset, behavior and speech, i would welcome immigrants

[Bosniensis]

4th Reich.

[Sarmatian]

Meh

[Teucer]

Would anyone care to elaborate on their opinions?

[SvartVarg]

EU? Organization designed for big companies to profit through the removal of tariffs, access to cheap labour, etc., etc., etc., regardless of how some people actually think it was designed for the 'little guy' in mind. The former is reality as fat cats get fatter, little thought being given to the difficulties of integration or long term repercussions. The latter are like magpies in a way for they're attracted to shiny things & cheap tricks.

[Decius]

Its globalist shit, should be destroyed.

[Graham]

EU? Organization designed for big companies to profit through the removal of tariffs, access to cheap labour, etc., etc., etc., regardless of how some people actually think it was designed for the 'little guy' in mind. The former is reality as fat cats get fatter, little thought being given to the difficulties of integration or long term repercussions. The latter are like magpies in a way for they're attracted to shiny things & cheap tricks.

That's what the anti-EU labour wing of Labour quietly whispers about, protectionism. The EU has been run by the centralist to center right Christian democrats/people's party etc.. for a while, where TTIP( gone for now) was unpopular with socialists and also where competition laws stifling state sector ambitions. Corbyn is of Tony Benn after all and it's amazing how he won over many young pro European Union voters in Britain on back of vote.

[SvartVarg]

nvm

[Teutone]

Undemocratic, soviet like, globalist, money sucking, dividing Union.

[Autrigón]

Is a place who was thinking to be inhabited by pink unicorns :flypig::flypig:

[Freeroostah]

EU is tyranny
Whatever law is passed in Brussels, it must be obeyed by every EU country. Over the last 10 years Greece has been cucked so many times in the industrial and the economy sector while our Western "brothers" enrich us with cultural Marxist anomalies. NO

[JohnSmith]

Feel free to vote in the poll and elaborate your opinions!

Not a fan,, I think it will have great difficulty handling another economic downturn. The debt levels in France and Italy are going to be problems in the future especially for the Bond markets. Politically it will be difficult to reform these countries. The people will resist it. They do not want their standard of living to decrease due to losing employee benefits.

[Graham]

Mixed feelings for the European Union. We have went through a large spell of peace in Western Europe but to the price of losing home rule in places. It's intentions are good but I feel like the system itself is too hidden to know where the votes are going and who is actually leading the thing.

[JohnSmith]

Mixed feelings for the European Union. We have went through a large spell of peace in Western Europe but to the price of losing home rule in places. It's intentions are good but I feel like the system itself is too hidden to know where the votes are going and who is actually leading the thing.

Do you think it is strong enough even get through another economic downturn? The southern states are still so weak and France continues to deficit spend and all lack the needed reforms. I think if the economy goes south again and unemployment and poverty climb you will see populism return and the EU's days are numbered it is not coherent enough to with stand another economic issue. The Germans are politically weak to give another bailout if needed.

[zhaoyun]

Dictatorship under Merkel

[Antimage]

Mixed...I like some things I don't like others. I don't like that some want to turn it to "United states of Europe" where member states have zero sovereignity
EU was created to ensure peace in Europe and that goal was achieved well. Pre-eu European history was full of wars europeans butchering each other.

[Graham]

Do you think it is strong enough even get through another economic downturn? The southern states are still so weak and France continues to deficit spend and all lack the needed reforms. I think if the economy goes south again and unemployment and poverty climb you will see populism return and the EU's days are numbered it is not coherent enough to with stand another economic issue. The Germans are politically weak to give another bailout if needed.

The balance of things seems to work, the Southern Nations weekend the Euro in tougher times pushing up exports of countries like Germany. The European Union is growing ok now and healthier than it has been last decade. Heard things about Poland being a headache politically for the EU.


Dictatorship under Merkel

It is run by an alliance of different parties under the European People's Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party) of which Merkels party and several others form. Its not a dictatorship. ;)

[Senpai]

Cool for travel and immigration,

trash for everything else.

*cue Alex Jones screaming about Globalists"

[Antimage]

The balance of things seems to work, the Southern Nations weekend the Euro in tougher times pushing up exports of countries like Germany. The European Union is growing ok now and healthier than it has been last decade. Heard things about Poland being a headache politically for the EU.



It is run by an alliance of different parties under the European People's Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party) of which Merkels party and several others form. Its not a dictatorship. ;)

There are undemocratic aspects of EU. We've got these anti hate speech laws in some european countries and can get jailed for your online activity. You can't really speak your mind freely, you're expected to be politically correct, leftist etc. New austrian government is bullied from Germany for being nazi and all they want is stopping immigration/less immigration. Being anti immigration is considered nazi... Also a swedish guy told me when someone attends ant anti immigration rally in Sweden the leftists take photographs of them, upload the photos to social media and share them, shaming the protesters and maybe even get them fired from their job.
In Brussels they worry about hungarian democracy when every single German news tv channel is leftist that spread multicultural pro immigration lbgt propaganda(people who lived there told me) in my country we've got both leftist pro multi-culti and rightist tv channels. To me it looks like multiculturalism lbgt and leftist values are shoved down peoples' throats in the EU.

[JohnSmith]

The balance of things seems to work, the Southern Nations weekend the Euro in tougher times pushing up exports of countries like Germany. The European Union is growing ok now and healthier than it has been last decade. Heard things about Poland being a headache politically for the EU.



It is run by an alliance of different parties under the European People's Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party) of which Merkels party and several others form. Its not a dictatorship. ;)

Unemployment for youth is still a problem. If the world has another world wide recession the EU could face issues again. It depends how long and willing the ECB is going to prop up the governments with their quantitative easing also. However, the weaker countries can cause severe issues in a world wide downturn.

[Bobby Martnen]

Pushing immigration, multiculturalism, feminism, and Islam

Not a fan at all

[Es war ein Edelweiß]

The EU is a power elite with a globalist agenda that conspires against European values. I used to call it „ZOG“. It is an Occupation Government anyway.
Merkel das Ferkel has done too much damage to Germany.

[TEUTORIGOS]

I have mixed feelings; on the one hand it unifies countries that used to practice fratricidal wars with each other.

On the other hand poor southern PIGS countries are a drain on the more successful northern countries.

Also, it seems bad that liberal policy makers can dictate unilaterally destructive immigration policies and the like.

Britain left the EU and the National Front in France wants to leave the EU so it can police its borders better among other things.

[TEUTORIGOS]

The EU is a power elite with a globalist agenda that conspires against European values. I used to call it „ZOG“. It is an Occupation Government anyway.
Merkel das Ferkel has done too much damage to Germany.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDS-8wz_4GQ

[JohnSmith]

I have mixed feelings; on the one hand it unifies countries that used to practice fratricidal wars with each other.

On the other hand poor southern PIGS countries are a drain on the more successful northern countries.

Also, it seems bad that liberal policy makers can dictate unilaterally destructive immigration policies and the like.

Britain left the EU and the National Front in France wants to leave the EU so it can police its borders better among other things.

You do not understand economics,, the weaker countries have helped keep the currency devalued which helps Germany and the other Northern countries to export more goods and stay competitive. If the PIGS left the EURO currency would skyrocket and Germany would suffer from a strong currency as they are an export economy.

France has to reform they have been running deficits year after year. They in some ways should be a PIGS country. Italy now has a budget surplus and France continues to break EU rules with their deficit being too large. So it is not fair to just attack the PIGS. Germany wants to have it cake and eat it too.

[Fractal]

I have mixed feelings; on the one hand it unifies countries that used to practice fratricidal wars with each other.

On the other hand poor southern PIGS countries are a drain on the more successful northern countries.

Also, it seems bad that liberal policy makers can dictate unilaterally destructive immigration policies and the like.

Britain left the EU and the National Front in France wants to leave the EU so it can police its borders better among other things.


Agreed.

[JohnSmith]

France on course to break EU budget rules
Deficit at risk of breaching eurozone’s limit, says European Commission

https://www.ft.com/content/ab4f1d98-f1d4-11e6-8758-6876151821a6

[JohnSmith]

Agreed.

You also do not understand economics. In this day and age a weak currency is essential in saying competitive and grabbing markets share. Japan has been doing it for years.

100 Yen = 1 Dollar. Germany needs the weaker countries and they know it. Their currency would be to strong otherwise and they would not be able to export and grab market share.

[JohnSmith]

The British stock market hit all time highs today because their currency weakened. A weak currency is what makes a country competitive.

I think all the countries should go it alone and control their own monetary policy.

[Turul Karom]

Absolute garbage. The EU Army will be used only against the nation states that would want to leave the EU or resist Brussels' encroachment. NATO is large enough to fight any intruder in Europe, and this force includes the USA and other non-EU countries. So the idea of an EU army being a "larger" force is incorrect. The EU already operates closely together in an inter-military fashion, and some regions already band together to fight and train their units under one command structure (exmple: The Nordic Battle Group). There is no reason to have this "EU Army" except as a tool of intimidation.

I have been saying for years, what the argument is between anti-EU and pro-EU peoples boils down to a singular question: do you support removing the sovereignty of the member nations in order to create a Federal United States of Europe, or do you support the independence and sovereignty of European nations?

All other talking points, economics, immigration, etc, are merely secondary to the inevitable end-question of the EU and its goals.

Do you know what surrendering your independence will do? It will allow you far less control over your fate. If you counter with the false argument, "Hungary is already small and has a small voice.", realize, that we make up 1.9% of the EU's population. We will have even less of a say in the EU if we join a federation. We will be pointless in elections, in economics, etc, and our land will be a dumping ground for their failed policies. EU federalism would be the death of the Magyar nation, and many other Eastern countries as well.

The EU will keep on failing as it attempts to garner support of who it sees at "its" people (subject to constant political winds, of course) until the final call for the ultimate decision: to federalize, or not to federalize. If you think that the EU will do more looking outward than inward, you are wrong. Europe is far more diverse than the Anglosphere, and these differences will not go to sleep quietly after the "federalization celebration" ends. The EU army will force itself on anyone who attempts to peacefully leave the country. There is no future for Hungarians in the EU as 1.9% of the population.

[JohnSmith]

Absolute garbage. The EU Army will be used only against the nation states that would want to leave the EU or resist Brussels' encroachment. NATO is large enough to fight any intruder in Europe, and this force includes the USA and other non-EU countries. So the idea of an EU army being a "larger" force is incorrect. The EU already operates closely together in an inter-military fashion, and some regions already band together to fight and train their units under one command structure (exmple: The Nordic Battle Group). There is no reason to have this "EU Army" except as a tool of intimidation.

I have been saying for years, what the argument is between anti-EU and pro-EU peoples boils down to a singular question: do you support removing the sovereignty of the member nations in order to create a Federal United States of Europe, or do you support the independence and sovereignty of European nations?

All other talking points, economics, immigration, etc, are merely secondary to the inevitable end-question of the EU and its goals.

Do you know what surrendering your independence will do? It will allow you far less control over your fate. If you counter with the false argument, "Hungary is already small and has a small voice.", realize, that we make up 1.9% of the EU's population. We will have even less of a say in the EU if we join a federation. We will be pointless in elections, in economics, etc, and our land will be a dumping ground for their failed policies. EU federalism would be the death of the Magyar nation, and many other Eastern countries as well.

The EU will keep on failing as it attempts to garner support of who it sees at "its" people (subject to constant political winds, of course) until the final call for the ultimate decision: to federalize, or not to federalize. If you think that the EU will do more looking outward than inward, you are wrong. Europe is far more diverse than the Anglosphere, and these differences will not go to sleep quietly after the "federalization celebration" ends. The EU army will force itself on anyone who attempts to peacefully leave the country. There is no future for Hungarians in the EU as 1.9% of the population.

The EU will most likely not survive another financial downturn(recession). The government debt of France and Italy will in the future become a major problem. I just do not see the whole thing staying together long term.

[Mingle]

I have mixed views on it but I chose positive. I overall like it because the European countries individually are powerless and too over-reliant on the US. When they all unite, they become somewhat of a significant power. The downside to the EU though is their migration policy, but there are a lot more positives that come from EU funding (e.g. research, infrastructure, etc) in addition to being a power on a comparable scale to Russia, China, or the US.