My Y-DNA haplogroup is.....

[Salem523]

J-M267 what does it implying ?

[Dick]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M267

[Rethel]

Semite.

[Kelmendasi]

Semite.
J1-M267 is older than the Semites and originates in the CHG. Some J1 clades have nothing to do with Semites

[Rethel]

J1-M267 is older than the Semites

1. Proof for the age please...
2. Do you want to say, that semites just at one moment came from the vacuum? :)


and originates in the CHG.

And what?
do you want to vorbid Semites to be frome CHG?
Btw, there is too few resutlts to say it for certain.


Some J1 clades have nothing to do with Semites

Which ones, and who they are, if they are not Semites?

[Kelmendasi]

1. Proof for the age please...
2. Do you want to say, that semites just at one moment came from the vacuum? :)



And what?
do you want to vorbid Semites to be frome CHG?
Btw, there is too few resutlts to say it for certain.



Which ones, and who they are, if they are not Semites?
Age is irrelevant as you don't believe any of the ages since they don't coincide with the Bible, but I will say anyways, 31600ybp. Semites themselves come from Afro-Asiatic people but picked up CHG admix. The J1 clades that have nothing to do with Semites are J1-Z1828(Caucasian), J1-M365.1(Found in Anatolia and northern Iran iirc), J1b(found in Europe, Anatolia and Iran) etc

[Rethel]

Age is irrelevant

So, why do you talk about it :)


I will say anyways, 31600ybp.

Ok, but I asked for the proof. What the proof do you have for it?


Semites themselves come from Afro-Asiatic people but picked up CHG admix.

And here you are wrong at the basic.
Semitic language (if you want so strongly) can be from
AfroAsiatic people, but not people, who are Semites.
If Albanians one day start to speak French, it doeasnt mean,
that they are French or that they are from France, are they?
According to your logic, would be.


The J1 clades that have nothing to do with Semites are J1-Z1828(Caucasian), J1-M365.1(Found in Anatolia and northern Iran iirc), J1b(found in Europe, Anatolia and Iran) etc

And how do you know, that they have nothing to do with Semites?
Present day location doesn;t exclude their common origin.
And btw, I asked, if they are not Semites, who they are?

[Kelmendasi]

^^
Oh lord you really are thick

[Rethel]

^^
Oh lord you really are thick

As usuall, no arguments...

[Bosniensis]

Only autosomal is important YDNA well not much


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[Rethel]

Only autosomal is important YDNA well not much

Only in TA'tardland...

[Bosniensis]

Only in TA'tardland...

So a German soldiers that came 2200 years ago in Greece and mixed with Greeks for 100's of Generations are still German?

I wonder what % of Modern Germanic DNA he have? 0?

[Gangrel]

Only in TA'tardland...

The J2 Siberian who has my exact same subclade is Anatolian I guess

[Pahli]

The J2 Siberian who has my exact same subclade is Anatolian I guess

Caucasians banged many people back in the days

[Rethel]

So a German soldiers that came 2200 years ago in Greece and mixed with Greeks for 100's of Generations are still German?

1. He is certainly not ancient Greek.
2. He is ancient German (not modern) or at least of such provanence.
3. But there is no single person in whole Greece, who would be such guy, so irrelevant anyway.

Btw, why anybody who lives in Greece, or marry a greek woman has to be a Greek? :picard2:


I wonder what % of Modern Germanic DNA he have? 0?

It doesn;t matter, as Greek is not a race.
Maybe you do not know this, but it is a fact.
Greeks themselves are a mix of many different people,
so according to your logic, they are nobodys...

[Vlatko Vukovic]

So a German soldiers that came 2200 years ago in Greece and mixed with Greeks for 100's of Generations are still German?

I wonder what % of Modern Germanic DNA he have? 0?

Germanic soldiers didn't know what is Greece before 2200 years xD xD

[Rethel]

Germanic soldiers didn't know what is Greece before 2200 years xD xD

Yes, but regardless such details, why on earth I cannot settle in
Greece, and be left alone with who I am? Why I have to be made
a Greek, ancient in addition? WHY? I cannot even marry a greek
chick, becasue they like borgs will want to absorb me, and strip
me of my identity and my ancestors... They surely have to be a
freaky people if they think like that... Maybe the sun hits their
heads so much... too much... if they think, that everybody can
be an ancient Greek, conqueror of Troya, when he comes there... :laugh:

[Rethel]

Btw, such freaky claims, only proof, that modern Greeks probably are not the ancient Greeks.
They can speak similar tounge, they can look similarly, but they can be not the same people,
as they are absorbing anybody who will buy a greek concubine from them or settle there...

[Vlatko Vukovic]

yes, but regardless tsuch details, why on earth I cannot settle in
Greece, and be laft alone, with wo I am? Why I have to be made
a Greek, ancient in addition? WHY? I cannot even merry a greek
chick, becasue they like borgs will want to absorb me, and strip
me of my identity and my ancestors... They surely have to be a
freaky people if they think like that... Maybe the sun hits their
heads so much... too much... if they think, that everybody can
be an ancient Greek, conqueror of Troya, when he comes there... :laugh:

I agree.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Btw, such freaky claims, only proof, that modern Greeks probably are not the ancient Greeks.
They can speak similar tounge, they can look similarly, but they can be not the same people,
as they are absorbing anybody who will buy a greek concubine from them or settle there...

But they were doing it in the ancient times too. (assimilation) :D

That's the kind of democracy, from ancient Greece.

[Voskos]

I like how a debate on an Arabian person's haplogroup ends up with Rethel acting his Greek tragedy monologue using exclusively strawman arguments.

Go fix some toliets brother..

http://www.jhubc.it/RIVISTA/SPRING2011/ARTICLE-PHOTOSWS2011/1-C.jpg

[Vožd]

Arab by origin? Unlike Egyptian native arabized people with E1b mostly?

[Danaan]

Yes, but regardless such details, why on earth I cannot settle in
Greece, and be left alone with who I am? Why I have to be made
a Greek, ancient in addition? WHY? I cannot even marry a greek
chick, becasue they like borgs will want to absorb me, and strip
me of my identity and my ancestors... They surely have to be a
freaky people if they think like that... Maybe the sun hits their
heads so much... too much... if they think, that everybody can
be an ancient Greek, conqueror of Troya, when he comes there... :laugh:

If it's the sun's fault in that case who is to blame for your case? Maybe the North Wind?

[Rethel]

But they were doing it in the ancient times too. (assimilation) :D

But:
1. Hellenization it is not the same as being original Greek from achean period.
2. This process ended at some point of time... as for example, being colonial American
eneded finally in 1776. You can;t claim to be one, if your ancestor came in 1850 to America.
3. Nobody today knows his ancent ancestor, and if he would know, that his grandpa was
hellenized in 100 BC and was let say a fryg, he allready would disproof his ancentgreekness,
becasue earlier were Greeks, and he was not one of them. If somebody don;t know, his gain,
but it doesn;t mean, that you can today become ancient Greek. It would be just silly. The
same was in XVth century and in X and so on... some people certainly are real original Greeks,
but not all in Greece, even if they are allowed to think like that. It is just logicly obvious.


That's the kind of democracy, from ancient Greece.

Yes, so firstly you would have to proof it, that you has an ancestor in
ancient Greece (regardless original Achean or helenized barbarian). But
as you see here, the very obvious using of two terms, shows, that it is
not the same, and that not every period can be define the same as the
another. For example, being byzantian Greek, absolutly doesn;t mean to
be ancient one and everyone is fine with that. The same is with other
periods, so I can;t understand why some have so hard time to absorb
such information which is obvioous and very clear. Especially, that has
clear historical context.

[Lavrentis]

Btw, such freaky claims, only proof, that modern Greeks probably are not the ancient Greeks.
They can speak similar tounge, they can look similarly, but they can be not the same people,
as they are absorbing anybody who will buy a greek concubine from them or settle there...

Do you really think that most Greeks are descendants of Hellenized people? Greeks have assimilated a lot of people but the core of the population has remained the same for thousands of years


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[Gangrel]

Poor guy just wanted info on his Y DNA and the retarded Polack fucked up the thread. Wonder how many times this has happened

[Lavrentis]

Yes, but regardless such details, why on earth I cannot settle in
Greece, and be left alone with who I am? Why I have to be made
a Greek, ancient in addition? WHY? I cannot even marry a greek
chick, becasue they like borgs will want to absorb me, and strip
me of my identity and my ancestors... They surely have to be a
freaky people if they think like that... Maybe the sun hits their
heads so much... too much... if they think, that everybody can
be an ancient Greek, conqueror of Troya, when he comes there... :laugh:

I get and agree with what you're trying to say, I think assimilating tons of people and trying to make them not only Greeks out of nowhere, but descendants of the ancient Greeks has had negative consequences. We see it with Arvanites, who are extremely nationalistic because someone told them that they descend from Alexander instead of Medieval Balkan migrants :D


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[Lavrentis]

If it's the sun's fault in that case who is to blame for your case? Maybe the North Wind?

Εσυ εισαι και πιο καθυστερημενος απο αυτον, αλλα τουλαχιστον καποια πραγματα που ειπε τωρα εχουν λογικη


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[Rethel]

Do you really think that most Greeks are descendants of Hellenized people?

It is a probability, which such claimers as I mentioned about, support anyway.
And I don;t know how many, the same as you. Nobody never checked it, and
cannot do that. But knowing how many Slavs, Jews, Romans, Albanians, and
Anatolians were there, it can be estimated, but it also will be not final or sure.


Greeks have assimilated a lot of people but the core of the population has remained the same for thousands of years

Look at Europe and Scandia. One guy, I1man, living in 1165 BC,
now is 8-9% of Europe, 30% of Scandinavia, in some regions 40%+.
N1something guy, living in similar period (or plus some centuries)
now is 65% in Finland, and this region is speaking his language.

If it is not changed population, then Idk what is.
And I remind you, that we speak about people, not about the race.
Race can be unchanged, but people and ancestors can be different.

[Bosniensis]

Btw, such freaky claims, only proof, that modern Greeks probably are not the ancient Greeks.
They can speak similar tounge, they can look similarly, but they can be not the same people,
as they are absorbing anybody who will buy a greek concubine from them or settle there...

They are Romans who once controlled Italy before barbarians conquered it multiple times, they call themselves Greeks for Roman Empire is no more. They have right to do so cause Old Europe had Greek origin not Germanic


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[Kelmendasi]

As usuall, no arguments...
I can't argue with people who believe the earth is 6,000 years old

[Kelmendasi]

Btw op, you need to test your subclade to know for sure which ethnic group your haplogroup expanded with. I think you are from the FGC11 group which is common among Arabs

[Rethel]

I can't argue with people who believe the earth is 6,000 years old

Why do you belive then, that is older?


Btw op, you need to test your subclade to know for sure which ethnic group your haplogroup expanded with. I think you are from the FGC11 group which is common among Arabs

So, you see, even you are saying that he is Semite. And for what was to argue?

[Kelmendasi]

Why do you belive then, that is older?



So, you see, even you are saying that he is Semite. And for what was to argue?
Mate, Earth is over 4 billion years old. I said that J1-FGC11 is linked to Semites/Arabs whilst you are saying that all J1 is linked to Semites

[Danaan]

Εσυ εισαι και πιο καθυστερημενος απο αυτον, αλλα τουλαχιστον καποια πραγματα που ειπε τωρα εχουν λογικη


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Δεν θα γίνει άνθρωπος ποτέ, γυφτόπουστα.

Τώρα δεν ξέρω για ποιο λόγο έκανες quote το ποστ μου. Δεν σε αφορά.

Επειδή έχω καταλάβει ότι είσαι στόκος, δεν ασχολούμαι. Κάνε το ίδιο.

[Salem523]

Btw op, you need to test your subclade to know for sure which ethnic group your haplogroup expanded with. I think you are from the FGC11 group which is common among Arabs

How to test my subclade ? I have done Y-111.

[Kelmendasi]

How to test my subclade ? I have done Y-111.
Paste your markers into this predictor http://www.nevgen.org/, go to the "J subclade" predictor

[Kelmendasi]

Arab by origin? Unlike Egyptian native arabized people with E1b mostly?
J1 was found in samples from ancient Egypt

[MagnusAurelius]

https://www.haplogroups.org/haplogroup-j1-is-not-semitic

Haplogroup J1 is Definitely Not Semitic in Origin!

It is associated with Semites now because of J expansion into the MiddleEast which created the first advanced Civilization post-Atlantis, Sumeria, it greatly pre-dates Semetic languages, J2 and J1 are also present in Europe (counting ethnic Europeans). I don't believe E1b1 originates in Africa, it came from West Asia, J1's initial expansion most likely pushed most E1b1 out of the MiddleEast into Africa but E1b1 elites created the Akkadian Empire and Assyrian Empires which conquered Sumeria/Mesopotamia.

My Subclade corresponds with Phoenician expansion into the Mediterranean so I know my first male ancestor was Phoenician but I am not certain, it could be the Sea peoples who are thought to be remnants from Atlantis and they had an underwater city state on the ocean floor going by Esoteric/Alternative history.

[Lavrentis]

Δεν θα γίνει άνθρωπος ποτέ, γυφτόπουστα.

Τώρα δεν ξέρω για ποιο λόγο έκανες quote το ποστ μου. Δεν σε αφορά.

Επειδή έχω καταλάβει ότι είσαι στόκος, δεν ασχολούμαι. Κάνε το ίδιο.

Τραβα γαμησου ρε μουλε που θα μου πεις και τι θα κανω. Θα σε γλενταω οσο γουσταρω

[Salem523]

Paste your markers into this predictor http://www.nevgen.org/, go to the "J subclade" predictor

I think my subclade is FGC11

[Rethel]

Mate, Earth is over 4 billion years old.

How do you know this?


I said that J1-FGC11 is linked to Semites/Arabs whilst you are saying that all J1 is linked to Semites

If you have proofs that is not show me.
I asked you, who are thsese other J1 - you didn't say.

J1, if not all J, did spread quite recently - especially
for your fictional thousands and billions of years. You
are not familiar with the newest informations I see,
insted you belive in fairy tales.

[Rethel]

J1 was found in samples from ancient Egypt

Semites were wandering to Egypt in ancient times, so nothing strange.

[Kelmendasi]

How do you know this?



If you have proofs that is not show me.
I asked you, who are thsese other J1 - you didn't say.

J1, if not all J, did spread quite recently - especially
for your fictional thousands and billions of years. You
are not familiar with the newest informations I see,
insted you belive in fairy tales.
Are you actually that brain-dead? https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml. And how is the earth not 4.5 billion years old? Those J1 peoples were CHG and not Afro-Asiatic peoples, just deal with the fact that the Bible isn't accurate. The only one believing in fairy tales is you

[Kelmendasi]

I think my subclade is FGC11

[IG]https://i.imgur.com/AgZFxU4.png[/IMG]
Yh you are FGC11, and probably the FGC8806 clade. FGC8806 is an Arab clade found in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen, Oman etc

[Rethel]

Are you actually that brain-dead?

Just see, how you are, being unable to answer simple questions.


https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml.

Why are you giving me the link to main article about J1 on Leftpedia?


And how is the earth not 4.5 billion years old?

You supposed high inteligence doesn;t suggest you, that it is not inteligent to answer opposite quetion on question?

I asked first, and wait for the answer. You was the one who claimed
that Earth is billions of years old, and was contadicting my not even
verbelized statement. So, how do you know this?


Those J1 peoples were CHG and not Afro-Asiatic peoples,

Ok, so I understand, that, if Albanians will turn into french language, they will be original French people.
This is what you wanted to say?

You are pretend to be so clever, and you even not know, that modern
linguistics errised in XIXth century, and that name of Semites does not
comes form the langue which suposedly AAs brought there... :picard2:

Where is this high IQ, becasue I do not see it...


just deal with the fact that the Bible isn't accurate.

so, how many verses did you checked, that you know this?


The only one believing in fairy tales is you

If you really think, that you do not belive in fairy tales, please answer the questions.

[Kelmendasi]

How retarded can a person get....

[Babak]

Rethel you're retardedness is starting to turn into a virus that spreads like the bird flu. Geneticists and anthropologists agree that J haplogroup originated in the Caucasus and dispersed from there. It's E1b1 that's Semitic origin.

Get the fuck over it and drink some cold water.

[Kelmendasi]

Rethel you're retardedness is starting to turn into a virus that spreads like the bird flu. Geneticists and anthropologists agree that J haplogroup originated in the Caucasus and dispersed from there. It's E1b1 that's Semitic origin.

Get the fuck over it and drink some cold water.
Not all E1b1b is Semitic in origin only certain clades are but yh, Rethel's retardation is OVERPOWERED according to him Earth is only 6,000 years old

[Mingle]

Not all E1b1b is Semitic in origin only certain clades are but yh, Rethel's retardation is OVERPOWERED according to him Earth is only 6,000 years old

Where did E1b1b initially originate before splitting into different clades?

[Kelmendasi]

Where did E1b1b initially originate before splitting into different clades?
The most accepted theory is north Africa iirc.

[Pahli]

Lets spread IJ in Poland so Rethel can have a good time