My GedMatch Autosomal results --- Some Serious German

[CabOOM]

Is the Germanic component real? It seems to 10-20% is all over the place, with most times matching in Germany. Is this Old Europe, Indo-European, or recent admixture?

My heritage comes from the Golloborda region. There is a high possibility of genetic seclusion because I know for a long time the region preferred to marry with other people from the same region.

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 18.24
2 East_Med 16.66
3 Atlantic 15.6
4 West_Med 15.3
5 West_Asian 13.02
6 Baltic 12.16
7 Eastern_Euro 6.15
8 Red_Sea 1.75
9 Oceanian 0.66
10 Siberian 0.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.44
2 Bulgarian 6.76
3 Greek_Thessaly 7.68
4 Serbian 9.06
5 Greek 10.11
6 Tuscan 10.12
7 North_Italian 11.56
8 Italian_Abruzzo 11.71
9 Central_Greek 13.13
10 East_Sicilian 14.11
11 West_Sicilian 14.23
12 Ashkenazi 14.24
13 Moldavian 14.72
14 Hungarian 15.44
15 Austrian 15.62
16 South_Italian 16.51
17 Croatian 16.63
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.72
19 Portuguese 16.82
20 French 16.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.9% Central_Greek + 41.1% East_German @ 3.09
2 76.5% Greek_Thessaly + 23.5% North_German @ 3.1
3 79.2% Greek_Thessaly + 20.8% Irish @ 3.37
4 78.7% Greek_Thessaly + 21.3% North_Dutch @ 3.37
5 73.3% Greek_Thessaly + 26.7% South_Dutch @ 3.4
6 78.7% Greek_Thessaly + 21.3% Danish @ 3.43
7 79.7% Greek_Thessaly + 20.3% West_Scottish @ 3.43
8 78.2% Greek_Thessaly + 21.8% Southeast_English @ 3.44
9 77.7% Greek_Thessaly + 22.3% Southwest_English @ 3.47
10 80.1% Greek_Thessaly + 19.9% Orcadian @ 3.49
11 66.1% Greek + 33.9% West_German @ 3.59
12 53.1% South_Italian + 46.9% East_German @ 3.6
13 72.9% Greek_Thessaly + 27.1% East_German @ 3.65
14 54.3% Central_Greek + 45.7% Hungarian @ 3.66
15 73.2% Greek_Thessaly + 26.8% West_German @ 3.71
16 80% Greek_Thessaly + 20% Norwegian @ 3.74
17 57.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 42.6% Hungarian @ 3.75
18 79.9% Greek_Thessaly + 20.1% Swedish @ 3.75
19 81% Greek_Thessaly + 19% West_Norwegian @ 3.78
20 75.3% Greek + 24.7% West_Norwegian @ 3.8

puntDNAL K13 Global Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 37.47
2 NE_Europe 30.47
3 West_Asia 19.83
4 SW_Asia 9.19
5 Siberia 1.88
6 Oceania 0.86
7 SE_Asia 0.16
8 East_Africa 0.08
9 NE_Asia 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kosovar 3.32
2 Albanian 3.97
3 Macedonian 4.1
4 Bulgarian 4.14
5 Greek_Thessaly 4.76
6 Italian_Tuscan 5.21
7 Montenegrin 6.76
8 Romanian 7.12
9 Italian_Bergamo 8.62
10 Serbian 8.96
11 Greek_Central 10.06
12 Italian_Abruzzo 10.63
13 Bosnian 12.79
14 Spaniard 14.07
15 Croatian 14.43
16 Ashkenazy_Jew 14.85
17 Moldavian 15.12
18 French 15.34
19 Italian_Sicilian 15.98
20 German_South 17.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.5% Kosovar + 7.5% Chuvash @ 1.79
2 90.2% Albanian + 9.8% Mordovian @ 1.84
3 91% Kosovar + 9% Tatar @ 1.9
4 93.3% Kosovar + 6.7% Aluet @ 1.95
5 90.9% Albanian + 9.1% Russian @ 1.99
6 87.8% Albanian + 12.2% Ukrainian @ 2.01
7 87% Albanian + 13% German_North @ 2.02
8 89.9% Albanian + 10.1% Belarusian @ 2.04
9 89.3% Albanian + 10.7% Swedish @ 2.04
10 88.6% Albanian + 11.4% Norwegian @ 2.06
11 85.2% Albanian + 14.8% Slovak @ 2.07
12 85.7% Albanian + 14.3% Scottish @ 2.07
13 84% Albanian + 16% Slovene @ 2.08
14 72.1% Albanian + 27.9% Serbian @ 2.08
15 92.6% Kosovar + 7.4% Mordovian @ 2.08
16 83.4% Albanian + 16.6% Hungarian @ 2.09
17 85.2% Italian_Tuscan + 14.8% Tatar @ 2.09
18 86.4% Albanian + 13.6% Irish @ 2.09
19 80.9% Albanian + 19.1% Croatian @ 2.11
20 91.9% Albanian + 8.1% Estonian @ 2.11


MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.43
2 Neolithic 29.27
3 NorthEastEuropean 16.76
4 Steppe 16.24
5 NearEast 1.35
6 NorthAfrican 1.04
7 Oceanic 0.85
8 Arctic 0.69
9 Siberian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kosovar (Kosovo) 3.53
2 Macedonian (Macedonia) 4.88
3 Greek (Thessaloniki) 5.15
4 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 5.24
5 Albanian (Albania) 5.33
6 Italian (Tuscany) 5.52
7 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 5.77
8 Greek (Greece) 6.21
9 Romanian (Gorj) 6.25
10 Italian (NorthIitaly) 6.27
11 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 6.34
12 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 6.54
13 Italian (Friul) 6.79
14 Romanian (Romania) 7.07
15 Romanian (Apuseni) 7.28
16 Serbian (Serbia) 7.43
17 Greek (Peloponnes) 7.6
18 Italian (Bergamo) 7.74
19 Corsican (Corsica) 8.07
20 Swiss (Switzerland) 8.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.2% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 25.8% German (Germany) @ 2.37
2 78% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 22% French (France) @ 2.47
3 51.4% Italian (Tuscany) + 48.6% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.53
4 80.7% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 19.3% English (Kent) @ 2.53
5 73.9% Albanian (Albania) + 26.1% German (Germany) @ 2.64
6 80.2% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 19.8% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.68
7 79.2% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 20.8% Scottish (Grampian) @ 2.71
8 80.4% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 19.6% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 2.72
9 79.4% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 20.6% English (England) @ 2.74
10 77.8% Albanian (Albania) + 22.2% French (France) @ 2.74
11 82.6% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 17.4% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.76
12 83% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 17% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 2.77
13 54.4% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 45.6% Italian (Tuscany) @ 2.88
14 83.8% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 16.2% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.9
15 79.4% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 20.6% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.91
16 79.9% Albanian (Albania) + 20.1% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.92
17 84.2% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 15.8% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 2.93
18 79% Albanian (Albania) + 21% Scottish (Grampian) @ 2.96
19 80.1% Albanian (Albania) + 19.9% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 2.97
20 79.2% Albanian (Albania) + 20.8% English (England) @ 2.9

Near East Neolithic K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 CHG_EEF 37.08
2 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 21.67
3 EHG 10.32
4 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 10.07
5 SHG_WHG 9.23
6 NATUFIAN 7.35
7 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 1.14
8 POLAR 1.1
9 KARITIANA 0.93
10 PAPUAN 0.78
11 SIBERIAN 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Albanian 4.51
2 Bulgarian 4.6
3 Greek 6.34
4 Romanian 8.25
5 Sicilian 10.81
6 Italian_South 11.8
7 Croatian 13.2
8 French 13.6
9 Jew_Ashkenazi 13.65
10 Hungarian 15.67
11 Turkish_Istanbul 17.04
12 Turkish 18.06
13 English 19.05
14 Turkish_Balekesir 19.42
15 Czech 19.53
16 Scottish 19.77
17 Ukrainian 20.55
18 Jew_Moroccan 20.69
19 Turkish_Aydin 21.71
20 Norwegian 22.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92% Bulgarian + 8% Anatolia_ChL @ 1.92
2 91.2% Bulgarian + 8.8% Armenia_ChL @ 2.26
3 95.4% Bulgarian + 4.6% Anatolia_N @ 2.73
4 94.9% Bulgarian + 5.1% Europe_EN @ 2.84
5 92.3% Bulgarian + 7.7% Armenia_MLBA @ 2.96
6 86.3% Romanian + 13.7% Anatolia_ChL @ 3.02
7 93.7% Bulgarian + 6.3% Iran_recent @ 3.02
8 94.2% Bulgarian + 5.8% Europe_MNChL @ 3.04
9 95.1% Bulgarian + 4.9% Iran_ChL @ 3.07
10 84.5% Romanian + 15.5% Armenia_ChL @ 3.19
11 88.7% Albanian + 11.3% Europe_LNBA @ 3.24
12 92.5% Bulgarian + 7.5% Stuttgart @ 3.28
13 82.1% Greek + 17.9% Europe_LNBA @ 3.38
14 51.2% Albanian + 48.8% Bulgarian @ 3.39
15 95.8% Albanian + 4.2% MA1 @ 3.44
16 93.4% Albanian + 6.6% Steppe_IA @ 3.46
17 63.9% Bulgarian + 36.1% Greek @ 3.5
18 96.9% Albanian + 3.1% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 3.65
19 93.4% Albanian + 6.6% Steppe_MLBA @ 3.66
20 97.7% Albanian + 2.3% Bichon @ 3.69

[CabOOM]

Any opinions?

[Kelmendasi]

I assume that you plot pretty north on PCA going by your results

[CabOOM]

I assume that you plot pretty north on PCA going by your results

Not really.

I plot next to Nilotic. Very slightly west of him. This is why it's all kinda confusing. I'm thinking it's a Sardinian effect, where it can't really read my results properly, and it's throwing 10-20% everywhere.

https://i.imgur.com/SeEpfTc.png

[CabOOM]

For example, nMonte calculator doesn't pick up any German.

https://i.imgur.com/pEFqiwT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LQ6Eezq.jpg


The interesting thing is I start to be more Mycenaean with the Dorian invasion. From 54 in 1500BC to 57 in 1300BC. Meanwhile, my greatest correlation in with Hungarian BR2, 1200BC at 69.

https://i.imgur.com/TFdZBDH.jpg

[Hudayar]

Don't know. Your results just look typical Balkanite for me.

[CabOOM]

Nvm...

I really want to hear peoples opinion. Anything in your mind, just say it.


Don't know. Your results just look typical Balkanite for me.

What would explain the German in the calculators then?

[Mingle]

I really want to hear peoples opinion. Anything in your mind, just say it.

I originally asked why you don't get Albanian and Macedonian in your single population sharing, but that was only the case for Eurogenes. Guess they don't have those samples.

[CabOOM]

I originally asked why you don't get Albanian and Macedonian in your single population sharing, but that was only the case for Eurogenes. Guess they don't have those samples.

Yeah, I'm not actually sure.

[Hudayar]

I really want to hear peoples opinion. Anything in your mind, just say it.



What would explain the German in the calculators then?

Some Turks from Balkans get 50% Turk_Balikesir and 50% Austrian/German in the calculators it's not a big deal it shows that you have european heritage.

[Hudayar]

Here a Balkan Turk's gedmatch result

13 German_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.092504
19 Dutch_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.131479
20 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 1.132720
14 French_Basque_HGDP + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 1.096523


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226504-Balkan-Turk-GEDmatch-results

[CabOOM]

Some Turks from Balkans get 50% Turk_Balikesir and 50% Austrian/German in the calculators it's not a big deal it shows that you have european heritage.

I completely understand.

However it seems as though when forced to choose, it always chooses Albanian. Meanwhile there is a certain distance to Albanian, meanwhile a huge distance to FYROM Macedonians(Which is surprising), and just as huge distance to Serbs and Bosnians. Meanwhile, Kosovar is my closest match, when Kosovars themselves have some Serbian admixture.

It just seems to me these are conditions for a "Sardinian" effect and there might have been a unique genetic situation in Diber. It seems I inherited more of these unique genes.

Does anyone agree, or disagree?

[CabOOM]

Bump

[Coolguy1]

Post eurogenes k36 too

[CabOOM]

Post eurogenes k36 too

https://i.imgur.com/CURax2i.png

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.10
Armenian 6.68
Basque 1.13
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.85
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 11.79
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 7.18
East_Med 8.01
Eastern_Euro 2.00
Fennoscandian 0.89
French 4.82
Iberian 9.22
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.97
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 4.09
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.05
North_Caucasian 1.71
North_Sea 6.92
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 2.25
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.80
West_Med 3.53

[Ibericus]

The germanic is just saying that you are more northern and western when compared to Greeks, so 80% Greek + 20% Norwegian should be interpreted as a more northern version of greeks....which makes sense geographically Albania is north of Greece.

[Voskos]

The Balkans have been settled by Goths(especially Pannonia and Thrace), Magyars(see Vardariotes) and Celts on several occasions. Anyway your Germanic is not abnormally high.

[Bosniensis]

Not really.

I plot next to Nilotic. Very slightly west of him. This is why it's all kinda confusing. I'm thinking it's a Sardinian effect, where it can't really read my results properly, and it's throwing 10-20% everywhere.

https://i.imgur.com/SeEpfTc.png

You are like Western Balkaner who plot a bit more South, therefore not typical Albanian.

You got some influence from Thrace (Romania and Bulgaria) as well.

[Kelmendasi]

You are like Western Balkaner who plot a bit more South, therefore not typical Albanian.

You got some influence from Thrace (Romania and Bulgaria) as well.
He’s actually within the Albanian cluster although within the more northern shifted group.

[CabOOM]

The germanic is just saying that you are more northern and western when compared to Greeks, so 80% Greek + 20% Norwegian should be interpreted as a more northern version of greeks....which makes sense geographically Albania is north of Greece.

Would you say it is noise without recent admixture? Do you think there is Slavic admixture?


The Balkans have been settled by Goths(especially Pannonia and Thrace), Magyars(see Vardariotes) and Celts on several occasions. Anyway your Germanic is not abnormally high.

I would assume this, but the Eastern European admixture is far too low, at 6%ish. This is lower than the Albanian average. Any admixture with Goths and Magyars would have increased the Eastern European components.

Celts is possible if it was part of the Indo-European migration. Do you agree or disagree with this?

[CabOOM]

You are like Western Balkaner who plot a bit more South, therefore not typical Albanian.

You got some influence from Thrace (Romania and Bulgaria) as well.

I think I have Thracian influence as well.


He’s actually within the Albanian cluster although within the more northern shifted group.

I was surprised as well. I though given the number I'd plot in Europe. loll

[Kelmendasi]

I think I have Thracian influence as well.



I was surprised as well. I though given the number I'd plot in Europe. loll
You do plot in Europe lol, the southeast. Oracles show you as an Albo with slightly more NW shifts, you aren’t atypical for an Albo imo

[CabOOM]

You do plot in Europe lol, the southeast. Oracles show you as an Albo with slightly more NW shifts, you aren’t atypical for an Albo imo

I meant to add Northern Europe. lol

Do you think the North West shift is recent, or some older component.

[Kelmendasi]

I meant to add Northern Europe. lol

Do you think the North West shift is recent, or some older component.
I don’t think that it’s recent, it could just be from the fact that you have more WHG and less Neolithic admix. We need your Ydna urgently lol because I want an idea of my mother’s sides Ydna ;)

[CabOOM]

I don’t think that it’s recent, it could just be from the fact that you have more WHG and less Neolithic admix. We need your Ydna urgently lol because I want an idea of my mother’s sides Ydna ;)

I have complained at Ftdna really hard, after which they hung up on me. This is a good sign that soon I'll get my results

[Hadouken]

I dont think it is serious but rather a lighthearted german


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82ANkjVEpYk

[Sikeliot]

You are very close to Bulgarians, northern Greeks, etc. I have seen full Thessalian Greeks like you, but only with a bit less North Euro. I don't think the German ancestry is real.

[Voskos]

Would you say it is noise without recent admixture? Do you think there is Slavic admixture?



I would assume this, but the Eastern European admixture is far too low, at 6%ish. This is lower than the Albanian average. Any admixture with Goths and Magyars would have increased the Eastern European components.

Celts is possible if it was part of the Indo-European migration. Do you agree or disagree with this?

It could be anything to be honest, even ancient yamnaya admixture(indoeuropean).I remember a Kosovar guy who got as high as you .

[CabOOM]

You are very close to Bulgarians, northern Greeks, etc. I have seen full Thessalian Greeks like you, but only with a bit less North Euro. I don't think the German ancestry is real.

Thank you Sikeliot.


It could be anything to be honest, even ancient yamnaya admixture(indoeuropean).I remember a Kosovar guy who got as high as you .

I'm thinking the same thing.

[CabOOM]

I don’t think that it’s recent, it could just be from the fact that you have more WHG and less Neolithic admix. We need your Ydna urgently lol because I want an idea of my mother’s sides Ydna ;)

The Morley Y-Dna predictor, predicts it even from female autosomal data.. loll

Been guessing decently so far. I know it makes no sense.

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

[Kelmendasi]

The Morley Y-Dna predictor, predicts it even from female autosomal data.. loll

Been guessing decently so far. I know it makes no sense.

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal
Has it predicted anything from your raw data?

[CabOOM]

Has it predicted anything from your raw data?

No, because Ftdna doesn't test any Y-DNA in their Family Finder. I don't get any calls. 23andme however tests enough Y-DNA and MtDNA.

[CabOOM]

https://i.imgur.com/t4eNRzi.jpg

[CabOOM]

Who can make sense of this?


nMonte K36 - Modern Analysis
Kosovo 54.05
GR_Thrace 21.60
Northern_Ireland 7.80
Albania_FYROM 7.30
North_Dutch 3.05
Chuvash 2.35
L_Lubelskie 2.25
GR_Istanbul 1.60


nMonte K36 - Neolithic
MN_Germany_I0807 12.30
Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE567 12.10
N_Hungary_NE4 12.05
CHL_Armenia_I1409 11.80
CWC_Poland_RISE1 11.75
N_Levant_AinGhazal4 11.30
Mesolithic_Sweden_Ajvide52 10.25
CHL_Iran_I1665 9.15
N_Germany_I0795 4.25
N_Sweden_Gokhem5 3.70
Mesolithic_Sweden_Ajvide59 1.35

[CabOOM]

bump

[CabOOM]

I was playing with the K36 calculator tool

When I remove North Albania as a reference, I reach frequencies in the 50's in Ireland, England, Norway, and Netherlands.

When I remove Southern Albania, I get a higher Celtic-Germanic component peaking at 60 in the Shetland Islands.

Interestingly, East Europe remains low in all these comparisons.

North Albania removed
https://i.imgur.com/e99TAlt.png

South Albania removed
https://i.imgur.com/3lDhKG5.png

When Celto-Germanic components removed

Norway removed
https://i.imgur.com/7FDImwZ.png

Ireland removed
https://i.imgur.com/ZVTJQGq.png

Scotland Removed
https://i.imgur.com/HkHCaHG.png

North Germany Removed
https://i.imgur.com/GTxSCZG.png