İzmir Turk GEDmatch results

[Hudayar]

Finally a Turkish sample from İzmir! I'm only posting this because 12 days ago Impaler wanted to know about what does a Turk from İzmir look like (genetically)

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UKP9Zojypqs/WkOq9tlcEOI/AAAAAAAAAUs/I3SFfJOpXYM2Q_ZurLhB1F-JBLXWQwrKACLcBGAs/s1600/%25C4%25B0zmir%2B1.PNG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6K_m9N7REH0/WkOrH6qU7eI/AAAAAAAAAU0/GOp6iuQXqM8LpRYghAw4nAdHdfAs0HW0wCLcBGAs/s1600/%25C4%25B0zmir%2B1.PNG

[Hudayar]

here are other Western Turkish results if you're curious

Muğla
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5BJgXF2JdkA/WiKxjMEOw3I/AAAAAAAAALU/D621h_uLXP4nM8tmpiet17ZjwVzrbayNACLcBGAs/s1600/Mu%25C4%259Fla%2B2.PNG
Çanakkale
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M_eR4UABcAg/Wgm4PDDQCBI/AAAAAAAAAEs/O3TTw84Oq8MNXNqWT3pMAiCzb1ZjTaEOACLcBGAs/s1600/%25C3%2587anakkale%2B1.PNG
Balıkesir
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-abGXRsiEBKQ/Wgm4J29r0AI/AAAAAAAAAEY/wAxMklV333kSQgfarGthijG_PHp1VOXqgCLcBGAs/s1600/Bal%25C4%25B1kesir%2B1.PNG
Uşak
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AsCunYOockQ/Wj0VziPrg5I/AAAAAAAAATk/gCo7YcB7ehQKFu-PvSr9j7LbgnAZP9adQCLcBGAs/s1600/U%25C5%259Fak%2B1.PNG
Manisa
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0w1iv_cTmSk/WkOrbXOEsFI/AAAAAAAAAU8/OH-tY1rhmNY5OTzCVIuFvYwB-QEGR1V1ACLcBGAs/s1600/Manisa%2B2.PNG

[Impaler]

Nice from you, thanks! They look like they have the most Balkan results? How would you interpretate?

[Hudayar]

Nice from you, thanks! They look like they have the most Balkan results? How would you interpretate?

Actually, If we are talking about this İzmir sample, then this guy has absolutely no Balkan heritage. Because he's around 12% (Dodecad K12b) or 15.5% (MDLP K23b) mongoloid and average Balkan Turk is around 3-7%. He's average Turk only slightly a bit more mongoloid (1%) but it's normal for Western Turks.

[Impaler]

Actually, If we are talking about this İzmir sample, then this guy has absolutely no Balkan heritage. Because he's around 12% (Dodecad K12b) or 15.5% (MDLP K23b) mongoloid and average Balkan Turk is around 3-7%. He's average Turk only slightly a bit more mongoloid (1%) but it's normal for Western Turks.

I've had some arguing with Mortimer, he said that I look Turkish, and I have Ottoman look. I wouldn't mind if I have, it's not an insulte for me, but I do not think I have that Anatolian typical look, maybe I'm wrong. I am not saying I know everything. I am just an amateur. :)

[Hudayar]

I've had some arguing with Mortimer, he said that I look Turkish, and I have Ottoman look. I wouldn't mind if I have, it's not an insulte for me, but I do not think I have that Anatolian typical look, maybe I'm wrong. I am not saying I know everything. I am just an amateur. :)

I think you can pass here. But genetically you're, i imagine, very different from Turks. Phenotype=/=Genotype btw

[Impaler]

I think you can pass here. But genetically you're, i imagine, very different from Turks. Phenotype=/=Genotype btw

Yes, I am talking about phenotype and genetic. I am Dinaro-Alpine(Carphatid after Ludman).

[wvwvw]

I trust zero samples that Turks post. Extremely cherry picked samples with often large gedmatch distances to Turkish averages.

[Bosniensis]

What kind of results are those?

Gedmatch? Which one?

[Gangrel]

wEsTeRn TuRkS aRe JuSt TuRkIfIeD gReEkS

[Hudayar]

What kind of results are those?

Gedmatch? Which one?

Gedmatch
Mdlp k23b and Dodecad K12b calculators

[Hudayar]

wEsTeRn TuRkS aRe JuSt TuRkIfIeD gReEkS

This is one of the most stupid memes that people (at least not on TheApricity) believe. They unironically think Western Turks are European Greeks that were Turkified and Eastern/Central Anatolian Turks are half Mongolian half Arab lmao.
Kinda ironic that Turks debunked that meme by just posting their genetic results.

[Hudayar]

I trust zero samples that Turks post. Extremely cherry picked samples with often large gedmatch distances to Turkish averages.

No sample is cherrypicked actually. But the people who post the gedmatch results only post 100% Turkish (not Central Asian, TURK) results. If your father is Circassian then they won't post the results. If your great grandmother was Tatar, then they won't post your results. Even if your father is Azerbaijani Turk, then they won't post your results. If your father is a Turk but from an another city (like your father is from Karaman and mother from Konya) then they won't post your results. You can check the blog, Turks that score 0% mongoloid are also included (they're mostly from Trabzon).

[Bobby Martnen]

> Be Turkish
> Be 1/8 Central/East Asian
> Try to convince the EU that you're European
> lol

[Hudayar]

> Be Turkish
> Be 1/8 Central/East Asian
> Try to convince the EU that you're European
> lol

15% east asian does not mean 15% Central Asian
here's a Turk who score 13% East Asian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 32.92
2 South_Central_Asian 13.38
3 European_Early_Farmers 11.78
4 Near_East 10.05
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.76
6 Tungus-Altaic 5.68
7 South_East_Asian 4.00
8 Ancestral_Altaic 3.92
9 North_African 3.78
10 East_Siberian 2.86
11 South_Indian 1.89
12 Melano_Polynesian 1.53


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin_ @ 8.711747
2 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 9.255285
3 Turk_Adana_ @ 10.547227
4 Turk_ @ 10.965065
5 Turk_Istanbul_ @ 11.683854
6 Turk_Kayseri_ @ 12.140862
7 Syrian_Jew_ @ 14.830103
8 Georgian_Jew_ @ 15.257236
9 Azeri_ @ 15.646427
10 Azov_Greek_ @ 15.908009
11 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 16.021025
12 Iraki_ @ 16.045719
13 Cretan_ @ 16.095943
14 Kurd_North_ @ 16.215921
15 Iraqi_Chaldean_ @ 16.792669
16 Kurd_South_ @ 16.900669
17 Nogai_ @ 16.970963
18 Uzbek_Tashkent_ @ 17.030437
19 Lebanese_Muslim_ @ 17.075161
20 Sicilian_West_ @ 17.164715

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriot_ +50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 3.520825


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Turk_ +25% Turk_Jew_ +25% Uygur-Han_ @ 2.917146


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Baku_WGA_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Hazara_ + Sephardic_Jew_ @ 2.205894
2 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.257351
3 Greek_Phokaia_ + Kurd_North_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.273196
4 Baku_WGA_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Hazara_ + Turk_Jew_ @ 2.290463
5 Azeri_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.310437
6 Baku_WGA_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Hazara_ + Italian_Jew_ @ 2.313341
7 Baku_WGA_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Sephardic_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.323666
8 Baku_WGA_ + Cretan_ + Italian_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.330387
9 Baku_WGA_ + Romanian_Jew_ + Sephardic_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.331061
10 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.358675
11 Baku_WGA_ + Cretan_ + Turk_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.364714
12 Greek_Phokaia_ + Hazara_ + Kurd_ + Turk_Jew_ @ 2.373636
13 Greek_Phokaia_ + Kurd_East_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.374697
14 Baku_WGA_ + Hazara_ + Romanian_Jew_ + Turk_Jew_ @ 2.375875
15 Greek_Phokaia_ + Hazara_ + Italian_Jew_ + Kurd_ @ 2.386035
16 Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Sicilian_Siracusa_ + Turk_ + Uygur_ @ 2.390478
17 Baku_WGA_ + Romanian_Jew_ + Turk_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.394330
18 Kurd_North_ + Romanian_Jew_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.406056
19 Greek_Phokaia_ + Kurd_South_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Uygur_ @ 2.415662
20 Ashkenazi_Jew_ + Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Turk_ + Uygur_ @ 2.432405

Done.

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[Kamal900]

wEsTeRn TuRkS aRe JuSt TuRkIfIeD gReEkS

Or..it could be that eastern Greeks are Hellenized Turks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7yjRxZIUvQ

The mystery..

[Bobby Martnen]

15% east asian does not mean 15% Central Asian
here's a Turk who score 13% East Asian


Either way, despite having some European admixture, Turks aren't White or European or Western, and thus, have no business joining the EU.
Culturally, they're more similar to Iraq and Syria than to Greece or Bulgaria

[Bobby Martnen]

Or..it could be that eastern Greeks are Hellenized Turks

The mystery..

Impossible. Asia Minor was Greek before the Turks ever showed up

[Hudayar]

Either way, despite having some European admixture, Turks aren't White or European or Western, and thus, have no business joining the EU.
Culturally, they're more similar to Iraq and Syria than to Greece or Bulgaria

1- EU is not a union based on race. If that were the case then Greece and Germany would not be in the same union. Besides an average Turk does not like EU and does not want to join it.
2- Culturally Turks are close to Persians and Azerbaijanis the most.

[Bobby Martnen]

1- EU is not a union based on race. If that were the case then Greece and Germany would not be in the same union. Besides an average Turk does not like EU and does not want to join it.
2- Culturally Turks are close to Persians and Azerbaijanis the most.

1. Greeks and Germans are both White. Turks are not.
2. Fair point, you'd know this better than I

[Hudayar]

1. Greeks and Germans are both White. Turks are not.
2. Fair point, you'd know this better than I

Greeks are closer to "Syrians" than to Germans genetically.

[Bobby Martnen]

Greeks are closer to "Syrians" than to Germans genetically.

And are closer religiously and culturally to Germans

[Hudayar]

And are closer religiously and culturally to Germans

Anyway, my point was EU is not a union based on race and ethnicity or whiteness. If that were the case then we would also be a part of EU lmao. And i doubt Europeans in real life actually care about whiteness as much as Americans do.

https://i.hizliresim.com/DyQYv3.png

[Gangrel]

Anyway, my point was EU is not a union based on race and ethnicity or whiteness. If that were the case then we would also be a part of EU lmao. And i doubt Europeans in real life actually care about whiteness as much as Americans do.

https://i.hizliresim.com/DyQYv3.png

Americans are obsessed with race. They can not stop thinking about it.

[Pahli]

wEsTeRn TuRkS aRe JuSt TuRkIfIeD gReEkS

MaLaKa

[Marmara]

> Be Turkish
> Be 1/8 Central/East Asian
> Try to convince the EU that you're European
> lol

Nobody tries to convince EU we're genetically European and EU is not interested in our genetics.

[Lavrentis]

Greeks are closer to "Syrians" than to Germans genetically.

According to Harvard, Greeks are genetically closer to Germans than Palestinians. I assume it will be the same if you substitute Palestinians with Syrians.

https://s17.postimg.org/wjdwd3nr3/mel_I7_Vd.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/b9qa297gb/)

[Gangrel]

According to Harvard, Greeks are genetically closer to Germans than Palestinians. I assume it will be the same if you substitute Palestinians with Syrians.

https://s17.postimg.org/wjdwd3nr3/mel_I7_Vd.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/b9qa297gb/)

> Comparing Palestinians with Syrians

lol retard

and where in greece is that average calculated from

[Lavrentis]

> Comparing Palestinians with Syrians

lol retard

What's the big difference between them?


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[Lavrentis]

> Comparing Palestinians with Syrians

lol retard

and where in greece is that average calculated from

How about you answer you fucking retard?

And I don't know where in Greece they got the sample from


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[Pennywise]

wEsTeRn TuRkS aRe JuSt TuRkIfIeD gReEkS

Finally they found a cure for their autism.

[Pennywise]

Btw, here is the averages of Western, Northwestern and Southern Turkey.

Western and Northwestern provinces:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1maMMqxLEnw/Wjld3MI0JwI/AAAAAAAAASc/StrdGtom0SwSmXGn3r7JR4UTaXCKdJX4ACLcBGAs/s1600/Ege-Marmara%2B%25282%2529.png

Southern provinces:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xEEU4nUrDik/Wjldzbu3iFI/AAAAAAAAASY/mzxP22wpcPkxUSLh_qqg23OyWBAvyVGwACLcBGAs/s1600/Akdeniz%2B%25282%2529.png

[Hudayar]

Btw, here is the averages of Western, Northwestern and Southern Turkey.

Western and Northwestern provinces:


I like actual calculator results more than bar charts to be honest because bar charts are kind of confusing and hard to calculate. bar charts are only good if they calculate racial admixture (K=3 usually) imo

here MDLP K23b and Dodecad K12b calculator results of Southern Turks (Already posted western ones)


Adana
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FTniK2OJVtM/WgiuULwwKqI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/e-wEXB1rPrshHbm-N6oVl9g2liKUo9vMwCLcBGAs/s1600/Adana%2B6.PNG
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eashlo-rtMg/Wgm4E3gQo4I/AAAAAAAAAEA/V5Gtuurb7hI1S3T8fyXrOOYC8jPU4_75QCLcBGAs/s1600/Adana%2B6.PNG

Antalya
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BWKcVuyqs4U/Wgm4IdCknSI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/LIqNQFBwTtQQysQN2A4S3w0nICV8TvjUwCLcBGAs/s1600/Antalya%2B2.PNG
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6nl0Rm-4PFc/WgmnX02UQyI/AAAAAAAAABA/vn7HNCuok6Y3ZfE65sjLjDYP7kdK35KMQCLcBGAs/s1600/Antalya%2B2.PNG

Mersin
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PHicdMR6QU0/Wgm43c-tKMI/AAAAAAAAAGE/4zVEw_S0pxcGsKY_-KcqzUNxfYb6IsgVgCLcBGAs/s1600/Mersin%2B3.PNG
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o7wi1iU2DY8/WgmoI4Mo9wI/AAAAAAAAAC0/_Npylus27XsCOvSqlzGY9M18WUlVUmlewCLcBGAs/s1600/Mersin%2B3.PNG

[Pennywise]

I like actual calculator results more than bar charts to be honest because bar charts are kind of confusing and hard to calculate. bar charts are only good if they calculate racial admixture (K=3 usually) imo

here MDLP K23b and Dodecad K12b calculator results of Southern Turks (Already posted western ones)




Same for me too, but they are still useful for many people to see the general admixture distribution and similarities/differences between multiple regions/ethnicities and etc.

[meisje]

East Eurasian Ratios are very high and not true for Adana Turk, They are only 4% East Eurasian at average

[Antimage]

Either way, despite having some European admixture, Turks aren't White or European or Western, and thus, have no business joining the EU.
Culturally, they're more similar to Iraq and Syria than to Greece or Bulgaria

EU has nothing to do with whiteness. If EU was a union of white people then its leaders weren't multiculturalist leftards who are desperate to turn it into a place that racially resemble Brazil.
Cyprus is 0% european geographically, btw. Yet they're part of EU. They're also non-white looking often.
This is a cypriot
http://www.cyprus.com/images/about-cyprus/Cyprus-People-Large.jpg
These are cypriots too
http://in-cyprus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/STK_1731.jpg
Very white. Yeah, no.
Also many other southern europeans are non-white looking.

[Hudayar]

East Eurasian Ratios are very high and not true for Adana Turk, They are only 4% East Eurasian at average

Adana Turks actually do score over 10% mongoloid because Adana was inhabitated by many Turkmen tribes because the land is fertile (the most fertile place in Turkey i think), it's warm and there are also taurus mountains (Yörüks for some reasons liked to inhabit the Taurus mountains). I have personally seen a Turk from Adana scoring 15% mongoloid. Her name was something like Ashina you can find her Zetaboards or Anthrogenica (it's dead at the moment though).

Adana samples in Gedmatch calculators also include Nusayris and Kurds. Hence lower east eurasian dna.

[Pennywise]

East Eurasian Ratios are very high and not true for Adana Turk, They are only 4% East Eurasian at average

They are all ethnic Turkish samples, can't see anything unusual. Adana samples on Gedmatch contains many outliers and non ethnic Turkish samples too. This ones are more accurate.

[Marmara]

East Eurasian Ratios are very high and not true for Adana Turk, They are only 4% East Eurasian at average

These samples must be natives of Adana and ethnically Turkish. A lot of Non-Turks live there.

[meisje]

Adana Turks actually do score over 10% mongoloid because Adana was inhabitated by many Turkmen tribes because the land is fertile (the most fertile place in Turkey i think), it's warm and there are also taurus mountains (Yörüks for some reasons liked to inhabit the Taurus mountains). I have personally seen a Turk from Adana scoring 15% mongoloid. Her name was something like Ashina you can find her Zetaboards or Anthrogenica (it's dead at the moment though).

Adana samples in Gedmatch calculators also include Nusayris and Kurds. Hence lower east eurasian dna.

It can be case for Yörüks, It is not same probably for Turks who live in Plain, Even Turkmens are 20% East Eurasian on average, Aydın sample gives

highest ratio with 12%

[meisje]

These samples must be natives of Adana and ethnically Turkish. A lot of Non-Turks live there.

Still very high for Anatolian Turks, only can be accurate for a Yörük

[Sora]

Good results! I wish I had my own results

[Marmara]

Still very high for an Anatolian Turks, only can be accurate for a Yörük

Turcomans score mongoloid as high as Yoruks and they're populous in Adana

[Gangrel]

How about you answer you fucking retard?

And I don't know where in Greece they got the sample from


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Shut up you fag, they are not genetically the same. 'What's the difference' he says

Read the actual paper or whatever and tell me where those samples are from.

[Hudayar]

Still very high for Anatolian Turks, only can be accurate for a Yörük

Adana Turks score
12.5% mongoloid (Dodecad K12b)
12.91% (MDLP K23b)

They're average. If a Turk is above 15% east eurasian then we can be sure about the fact that he or she is a Yörük or Çepni from Giresun/Ordu

here's a Yörük from Antalya
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 32.88
2 European_Early_Farmers 13.78
3 South_Central_Asian 11.77
4 Tungus-Altaic 9.43
5 Near_East 8.82
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.69
7 East_Siberian 4.57
8 Ancestral_Altaic 4.33
9 North_African 2.54
10 South_East_Asian 2.36
11 Austronesian 1.01
12 Paleo_Siberian 0.95
13 South_Indian 0.84
14 Melano_Polynesian 0.53
15 African_Pygmy 0.33
16 Australoid 0.16


he's 18.32% mongoloid.

[Pennywise]

Adana Turks score
12.5% mongoloid (Dodecad K12b)
12.91% (MDLP K23b)

They're average. If a Turk is above 15% then we can be sure about that he's a Yörük or Çepni from Giresun/Ordu

here's a Yörük from Antalya
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 32.88
2 European_Early_Farmers 13.78
3 South_Central_Asian 11.77
4 Tungus-Altaic 9.43
5 Near_East 8.82
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.69
7 East_Siberian 4.57
8 Ancestral_Altaic 4.33
9 North_African 2.54
10 South_East_Asian 2.36
11 Austronesian 1.01
12 Paleo_Siberian 0.95
13 South_Indian 0.84
14 Melano_Polynesian 0.53
15 African_Pygmy 0.33
16 Australoid 0.16


he's 18.32% mongoloid.


Manavs also seem to have the same amount of East Eurasian admixture, this is not exclusive to the Yörüks. The sample from Sakarya in the blog is Manav for example.

[Lavrentis]

Shut up you fag, they are not genetically the same. 'What's the difference' he says

I never said that they're genetically the same thing, but they're genetically very similar


Read the actual paper or whatever and tell me where those samples are from.

I found the picture on this forum, can't remember the thread


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[Hudayar]

Manavs also seems to have the same amount of East Eurasian admixture, this is not exclusive to the Yörüks. The sample from Sakarya in the blog is Manav for example.

Thought Manavs were same as Yörüks.

Also i think i posted a Manav's results before (from Eskişehir)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?221304-MDLP-K23-results-of-a-Western-Anatolian-Turk&highlight=eski%26%23351%3Behir

he was around 13.37% mongoloid but below 1% components were not included.

[meisje]

Adana Turks score
12.5% mongoloid (Dodecad K12b)
12.91% (MDLP K23b)

They're average. If a Turk is above 15% east eurasian then we can be sure about that he or she is a Yörük or Çepni from Giresun/Ordu

here's a Yörük from Antalya
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 32.88
2 European_Early_Farmers 13.78
3 South_Central_Asian 11.77
4 Tungus-Altaic 9.43
5 Near_East 8.82
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.69
7 East_Siberian 4.57
8 Ancestral_Altaic 4.33
9 North_African 2.54
10 South_East_Asian 2.36
11 Austronesian 1.01
12 Paleo_Siberian 0.95
13 South_Indian 0.84
14 Melano_Polynesian 0.53
15 African_Pygmy 0.33
16 Australoid 0.16


he's 18.32% mongoloid.

All Yörüks do not score over 15%, Probably it is based only 1 Sample, If you give as who belonged to samples and how many samples were included, We can have more clear results, Syrians will not get Adana-Sample as first in Gedmatch otherwise, Anyway, If you believe those numbers, You should see so many Adana Turk with slight chinky eyes,

These Numbers are very exaggerated and not true

[Pennywise]

All Yörüks do not score over 15%, Probably it is based only 1 Sample, If you give as who belonged to samples and how many samples were included, We can have more clear results, Syrians will not get Adana-Sample as first in Gedmatch otherwise, Anyway, If you believe those numbers, You should see so many Adana Turk with slight chinky eyes,

These Numbers are very exaggerated and not true

The results are the average of 6 samples from Adana. Who is exaggerating what exactly? You base your assumptions on Gedmatch spreadsheets which are also contain non-ethnic Turkish samples too. The samples given in the blog are fully ethnic Turks. You better check them out.

[Hudayar]

All Yörüks do not score over 15%, Probably it is based only 1 Sample, If you give as who belonged to samples and how many samples were included, We can have more clear results, Syrians will not get Adana-Sample as first in Gedmatch otherwise, Anyway, If you believe those numbers, You should see so many Adana Turk with slight chinky eyes,

These Numbers are very exaggerated and not true

phenotype=/=genotype. I have seen one "Armenoid" looking guy from Adana scoring 14% mongoloid. I think he was grandfather of a Turkish poster on a genetic forum.

Also these are literally the personal results of Turks. I'm sorry that their ancestors were Turkmens. Next time i'll only post Turks from Trabzon who score 1% mongoloid dna (average Turk right).

[Bobby Martnen]

Nobody tries to convince EU we're genetically European and EU is not interested in our genetics.

Well, since you're not ethnically European, you have no business joining the EU

[Proto-Shaman]

wEsTeRn TuRkS aRe JuSt TuRkIfIeD gReEkS
and western caucasians are just chechenized Circassians?

[Marmara]

Well, since you're not ethnically European, you have no business joining the EU

Why do you care? EU is not a right-wing racial union, besides, you are not European.

[Bobby Martnen]

Why do you care? EU is not a right-wing racial union, besides, you are not European.

I'm more European than you are. I'm ethnically, linguistically, and religiously European. Turks are partially European by blood, but they're not remotely European linguistically or religiously. They speak a Central Asian language and practice an Arabian religion.

[Marmara]

I'm more European than you are. I'm ethnically, linguistically, and religiously European. Turks are partially European by blood, but they're not remotely European linguistically or religiously. They speak a Central Asian language and practice an Arabian religion.

Both Christianity and Islam are Semitic fairy tales from Middle East, they have nothing to do with actual European pagan religions.

EU is not about race or religion but ideology. It was created against USA and Soviets, European countries felt necessary to engage in close economic, political and cultural cooperation to stand against countries who are much stronger than any individual member of the union, so it's not up to you to decide who can be a member when it was created against you.

I haven't told you my actual feelings about Turkey being EU member, I'm telling all these just because I find it hilarious you think it's up to you. You can find millions of Europeans (not on this forum obviously) who will tell you it's none of your business.

[Bobby Martnen]

Both Christianity and Islam are Semitic fairy tales from Middle East, they have nothing to do with actual European pagan religions.

I believe in Christianity, but that aside, Christianity arose in the Hellenistic Levant, and thus was culturally part European from day one - Jesus could probably speak Greek.

Islam arose in the Arabian desert, not in any area with a significant European influence.

So while both arose in the Middle East, Christianity was formed in part by European culture, whereas Islam wasn't.


EU is not about race or religion but ideology. It was created against USA and Soviets, European countries felt necessary to engage in close economic, political and cultural cooperation to stand against countries who are much stronger than any individual member of the union, so it's not up to you to decide who can be a member when it was created against you.

Now that the Soviets are no more, the EU should evolve into an organization dedicated to the protection of Judeo-Christian culture from Islamic migrants. I'm a dual citizen with a European country as well, though.


I haven't told you my actual feelings about Turkey being EU member, I'm telling all these just because I find it hilarious you think it's up to you. You can find millions of Europeans (not on this forum obviously) who will tell you it's none of your business.

What are your actual feelings?

I have nothing against you or Turks, I just wish they would stop trying to be European and also give back Smyrna and Constantinople.

[Böri]

Izmir was taken by Timur in 1402. After Ankara Battle of 1402, Timur pursues fleeing Serb-Ottoman troops.
Genoese helped Serbs and Prince Suleyman of Ottomans to get into Balkans thru ship transfer, while they rejected cooperation with Timur and he couldnt pass through Bosphorus of Galipolli since he had no navy.

Timur was enraged against Westerners and Izmir was the only city controlled by Hospitaler Westerners in Asia Minor.
Timur besieged Izmir and the city fell in few days; Ottomans had failed to take it.
Knight Hospitalers garrison was massacred.

Timur gave Izmir to Aydın Beylik, how Izmir became Turkmen :thumb001:

Ottomans were in civil war. Suleyman who fled with Serbs was later murdered by Turkmen villagers in Thrace and Ottoman civil war won by prince Mehmed who was given Amasya by Timur.

Anyway nice result here.
Izmir is huge metropolitan and result here belongs to native Turk from Izmir.
Otherwise there are some Albanians, Gypsies, Cretans, Africans in downtown Izmir and those are different

[meisje]

phenotype=/=genotype. I have seen one "Armenoid" looking guy from Adana scoring 14% mongoloid. I think he was grandfather of a Turkish poster on a genetic forum.

Also these are literally the personal results of Turks. I'm sorry that their ancestors were Turkmens. Next time i'll only post Turks from Trabzon who score 1% mongoloid dna (average Turk right).

This is true Indicator, It includes all Turkish Results from Gedmatch

http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p526826/trk.png

[meisje]

I believe in Christianity, but that aside, Christianity arose in the Hellenistic Levant.


Are you alright

[Bornoz]

I'm more European than you are. I'm ethnically, linguistically, and religiously European. Turks are partially European by blood, but they're not remotely European linguistically or religiously. They speak a Central Asian language and practice an Arabian religion.

Religiously European ne çomar orospu çocuğu? Hristiyan'ın çomarı da bi ayrı orospu çocuğu oluyor cidden.

[Gangrel]

Religiously European ne çomar orospu çocuğu? Hristiyan'ın çomarı da bi ayrı orospu çocuğu oluyor cidden.

sunla konusma adam beginsizin teki

[Pahli]

Religiously European ne çomar orospu çocuğu? Hristiyan'ın çomarı da bi ayrı orospu çocuğu oluyor cidden.

https://galeri8.uludagsozluk.com/459/bir-orospu-cocugu-olarak-pkk-li_816924_m.jpg

[Bobby Martnen]

Religiously European ne çomar orospu çocuğu? Hristiyan'ın çomarı da bi ayrı orospu çocuğu oluyor cidden.

I don't speak Kebab.

[Bobby Martnen]

Are you alright

Yes...

[Dorian]

EU has nothing to do with whiteness. If EU was a union of white people then its leaders weren't multiculturalist leftards who are desperate to turn it into a place that racially resemble Brazil.
Cyprus is 0% european geographically, btw. Yet they're part of EU. They're also non-white looking often.
This is a cypriot
http://www.cyprus.com/images/about-cyprus/Cyprus-People-Large.jpg
These are cypriots too
http://in-cyprus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/STK_1731.jpg
Very white. Yeah, no.
Also many other southern europeans are non-white looking.

Bravo at cherrypicking from googleimages,now take a look here https://www.facebook.com/pg/feelfamous.com.cy/photos/?ref=page_internal and see how many cypriots you wish to and compare how many look greek/south italian etc and how many are that middleeastern looking like the ones you posted.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Religiously European ne çomar orospu çocuğu? Hristiyan'ın çomarı da bi ayrı orospu çocuğu oluyor cidden.

那是什麼意思？

[Bornoz]

I mean, he got to be ashamed from being a religious person neverthless he is prouding of it and he thinks that it is a reason for superiority.. But he doesn't know that, noone gives a f*ck about the thing called religion. He thinks that Europeans are like ''Oh, come here my European orgined American brother. Let me suck your balls'' but reality is not something beyond ''Fat faggot Murican''. Btw I don't want to offend anyone other than this amoeba, of course Europeans will welcome you if you are a civilized, nice and clever guy without looking your origin just like all other humans.

[Bornoz]

I don't speak Kebab.

You can not speak any language other than English. Of course you don't know ''Kebab'':rotfl:

[Bobby Martnen]

You can not speak any language other than English. Of course you don't know ''Kebab'':rotfl:

Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad

[Bobby Martnen]

I mean, he got to be ashamed from being a religious person neverthless he is prouding of it and he thinks that it is a reason for superiority.. But he doesn't know that, noone gives a f*ck about the thing called religion. He thinks that Europeans are like ''Oh, come here my European orgined American brother. Let me suck your balls'' but reality is not something beyond ''Fat faggot Murican''. Btw I don't want to offend anyone other than this amoeba, of course Europeans will welcome you if you are a civilized, nice and clever guy without looking your origin just like all other humans.

I'm proud of my religion, and I have more in common with native Europeans than do people of migrant background in Europe.

I'm closer genetically, religiously, and culturally.

Europe should have never taken in the huge wave of migrants that began after 1945.

[Bornoz]

Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_TL02vGQaM

[Bobby Martnen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_TL02vGQaM

Whatever, bro

[Marmara]

give back Smyrna and Constantinople.

Are you trying to piss me off or are you actually mentally ill?

[Bobby Martnen]

Are you trying to piss me off or are you actually mentally ill?

Neither, I actually want Greece to get them back.

[Gangrel]

Neither, I actually want Greece to get them back.

4 years on this website and you have accomplished nothing other than shit talk. Stop talking before I annihilate you, useless shitstain on this Earth.

[Hudayar]

This is true Indicator, It includes all Turkish Results from Gedmatch

http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p526826/trk.png

Adana samples as we mentioned before have Nusayris and Kurds in it. Hence high rates of gedrosia and arab dna. If we examined each person in adana sample then we'd find that most of them cluster with Syrians and have absolutely no East Eurasian dna. Also notice that WHG is also anormally too low.
Also imo Kayseri is a bit too low.

[Hudayar]

Adana samples as we mentioned before have Nusayris and Kurds in it. Hence high rates of gedrosia and arab dna. If we examined each person in adana sample then we'd find that most of them cluster with Syrians and have absolutely no East Eurasian dna.

Also imo Kayseri is a bit too low.

Also I remember a Turk from Adana clustering with Aydın samples rather than Adana samples lmao. He was around 14% mongoloid i think

[Hadouken]

Adana samples as we mentioned before have Nusayris and Kurds in it. Hence high rates of gedrosia and arab dna. If we examined each person in adana sample then we'd find that most of them cluster with Syrians and have absolutely no East Eurasian dna. Also notice that WHG is also anormally too low.
Also imo Kayseri is a bit too low.

why gedrosia ? the chart he posted has "caucasus-gedrosia" component and adana is not higher than kayseri , istanbul , , trabzon has highest

[Hudayar]

why gedrosia ? the chart he posted has "caucasus-gedrosia" component and adana is not higher than kayseri , istanbul , , trabzon has highest

Istanbul samples are also mixed.
Kayseri idk but there's something wrong with it
Trabzon meh

[robertmann]

Turks seem much more free of nigger blood than Arabs. Even if you add together the Sub Saharan and East African totals, none of the Turks except for Usak got any more than about 0.2% or 0.3% nigger ancestry.


I thought that Turks had some nigger slaves too. Although maybe less than I thought. Maybe they also weren't stupid enough to use their slaves as rape toys like North Africans and to a lesser extent Middle Easterners did.

[Marmara]

Turks seem much more free of nigger blood than Arabs. Even if you add together the Sub Saharan and East African totals, none of the Turks except for Usak got any more than about 0.2% or 0.3% nigger ancestry.


I thought that Turks had some nigger slaves too. Although maybe less than I thought. Maybe they also weren't stupid enough to use their slaves as rape toys like North Africans and to a lesser extent Middle Easterners did.

Slavery in Turkey was nothing like in Arabia. One slave market only existed in Istanbul for elites, blacks were only bought as unics being servant to Muslim women. Other than that, a few black slaves were brought to western part of Anatolia to work in farms but not much was brought and slavery was abolished shortly after. Those blacks still live in Turkey as Afro-Turks.
https://youtu.be/JL9q7o2tejU

Besides, Turks aren't close to Africa, so it also prevented Negroid influence.

[spik]

Turks seem much more free of nigger blood than Arabs. Even if you add together the Sub Saharan and East African totals, none of the Turks except for Usak got any more than about 0.2% or 0.3% nigger ancestry.


I thought that Turks had some nigger slaves too. Although maybe less than I thought. Maybe they also weren't stupid enough to use their slaves as rape toys like North Africans and to a lesser extent Middle Easterners did.

Turks got East Asian, whilst Arabs got African.

[spik]

Slavery in Turkey was nothing like in Arabia. One slave market only existed in Istanbul for elites, blacks were only bought as unics being servant to Muslim women. Other than that, a few black slaves were brought to western part of Anatolia to work in farms but not much was brought and slavery was abolished shortly after. Those blacks still live in Turkey as Afro-Turks.
https://youtu.be/JL9q7o2tejU

Besides, Turks aren't close to Africa, so it also prevented Negroid influence.

Turks weren’t into race mixing like Arabs were.

[Bornoz]

Turks seem much more free of nigger blood than Arabs. Even if you add together the Sub Saharan and East African totals, none of the Turks except for Usak got any more than about 0.2% or 0.3% *nigger* ancestry.


I thought that Turks had some nigger slaves too. Although maybe less than I thought. Maybe they also weren't stupid enough to use their slaves as rape toys like North Africans and to a lesser extent Middle Easterners did.
Can you just try to be some polite? Or you can also try to relaize that we are living in 21th century. You know,black and white people have same rights nowadays..

[Mingle]

> Be Turkish
> Be 1/8 Central/East Asian
> Try to convince the EU that you're European
> lol

If there is one reason that Turkey can't join, then it is because of their geography not DNA. Besides, you would probably consider Turks to be White/European if they were Christian and had the same DNA, so I don't get why you're emphasizing on DNA here.

[Mingle]

EU has nothing to do with whiteness. If EU was a union of white people then its leaders weren't multiculturalist leftards who are desperate to turn it into a place that racially resemble Brazil.
Cyprus is 0% european geographically, btw. Yet they're part of EU. They're also non-white looking often.
This is a cypriot
http://www.cyprus.com/images/about-cyprus/Cyprus-People-Large.jpg
These are cypriots too
http://in-cyprus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/STK_1731.jpg
Very white. Yeah, no.
Also many other southern europeans are non-white looking.

Cyprus is a tiny island, so even if it is geographically part of Asia, it isn't really part of Asia proper and not that far from Europe itself, thus making it geographically a bit ambiguous. It's also a cultural extension of Greece which is geographically part of Europe.

[Mingle]

Americans are obsessed with race. They can not stop thinking about it.

Everybody on this forum is obsessed with race.

[Hudayar]

Turks seem much more free of nigger blood than Arabs. Even if you add together the Sub Saharan and East African totals, none of the Turks except for Usak got any more than about 0.2% or 0.3% nigger ancestry.


I thought that Turks had some nigger slaves too. Although maybe less than I thought. Maybe they also weren't stupid enough to use their slaves as rape toys like North Africans and to a lesser extent Middle Easterners did.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/270/942/289.jpg

[Hudayar]

It was usually Greeks or Greek influenced ethnicities that were shitposting in my threads now it's Americans at least Greek shitposting was related to the topic this is just people trying to start a war between whites and non whites lmao

[Bobby Martnen]

If there is one reason that Turkey can't join, then it is because of their geography not DNA. Besides, you would probably consider Turks to be White/European if they were Christian and had the same DNA, so I don't get why you're emphasizing on DNA here.

If they were Christian, I would see them like Mestizos or Anglo-Indians - partially European mixed-race Christian people.

But since their religion and language aren't European, I don't see them as Europeans.

[Gangrel]

Everybody on this forum is obsessed with race.

more like ethnicity

[Mingle]

If they were Christian, I would see them like Mestizos or Anglo-Indians - partially European mixed-race Christian people.

But since their religion and language aren't European, I don't see them as Europeans.Their East Eurasian rarely shows in their phenotype. Most look fully Caucasoid.

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[Bobby Martnen]

Their East Eurasian rarely shows in their phenotype. Most look fully Caucasoid.

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Virtually none of them could pass as European.

Here's some White Americans - notice how none of them could pass in Turkey.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69961&d=1511245550
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69943&d=1511123947
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69527&d=1509943560
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69195&d=1509171213

[Hudayar]

Their East Eurasian rarely shows in their phenotype. Most look fully Caucasoid.

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wouldn't say rarely but whatever. genotype matters more than phenotype imo. This has been proven by science already.

[Hudayar]

If they were Christian, I would see them like Mestizos or Anglo-Indians - partially European mixed-race Christian people.

But since their religion and language aren't European, I don't see them as Europeans.

Closest thing to what you say is Turcopole

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4ipl58WcAAwJND.jpg


They were sons of Turkmens who converted to Christianity and Byzantine Greeks. Other muslims despised them and treated them more harshly than other crusader/christian captives.

[Gangrel]

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Anglos cant pass in Turkey??? Imagine ma shawk!!

[Mingle]

Virtually none of them could pass as European.

Here's some White Americans - notice how none of them could pass in Turkey.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69961&d=1511245550
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69943&d=1511123947
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69527&d=1509943560
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69195&d=1509171213You're being intellectually dishonest by comparing Germanics to Turks.

Caucasoid =/= Northwest European.

If Germanics are the bechmark of Whiteness, then it makes no sense for you to consider Egyptian Christians and Assyrians/Armenians to be White.

It makes more sense to compare Balkanites to Turks. Or even Armenians & Georgians to Turks. A decent chunk from those groups could pass in Turkey.

But anyways, I wasn't debating their Whiteness. That's a separate matter. I just said most Anatolian Turks have a Caucasoid phenotype.

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[Mingle]

wouldn't say rarely but whatever. genotype matters more than phenotype imo. This has been proven by science already.True, but I don't think the East Eurasian is high enough to call Anatolian Turks "biracial" similar to the Mestizos.

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[Marmara]

True, but I don't think the East Eurasian is high enough to call Anatolian Turks "biracial" similar to the Mestizos.

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What are you discussing with that autist? I was only responding him about his claims on Turkish territory. He can stick his judeo religion up his ass. You are giving too much credit to low IQ people.

[Bobby Martnen]

What are you discussing with that autist? I was only responding him about his claims on Turkish territory. He can stick his judeo religion up his ass. You are giving too much credit to low IQ people.

At least I don't eat kebabs

[Bobby Martnen]

You're being intellectually dishonest by comparing Germanics to Turks.

How can you tell they're Germanic? (they are, so you guessed right )


Caucasoid =/= Northwest European.

If Germanics are the bechmark of Whiteness, then it makes no sense for you to consider Egyptian Christians and Assyrians/Armenians to be White.

It makes more sense to compare Balkanites to Turks. Or even Armenians & Georgians to Turks. A decent chunk from those groups could pass in Turkey.

Even Balkanites don't look Turkish - Turks have a Asian and MENA influence Balkanites lack.

[Marmara]

At least I don't eat kebabs

Wow so this is the best thing you could come out with.

[Bobby Martnen]

Wow so this is the best thing you could come out with.

Kebab is nasty and give you diarrhea

[Marmara]

Kebab is nasty and give you diarrhea

I see, so this is how a healthy American looks like:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/AeBHJsXs2inQmbW4ESqciivrbDSFz7lxccSUp11u6Hjm9_eVwm 2HSR3F8fhRWEuLAm3buQmEyA=w384-h383-nc

[Artaxerxes]

Even Balkanites don't look Turkish - Turks have a Asian and MENA influence Balkanites lack.

Varg disagree.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR3gvN1c65c

[Mingle]

How can you tell they're Germanic? (they are, so you guessed right )



Even Balkanites don't look Turkish - Turks have a Asian and MENA influence Balkanites lack.As a whole, there's a difference, but many can pass there. And they don't need to look Balkanite to be Caucasoid.

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