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Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
12-28-2017, 01:30 PM
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Which one has had (or has) a more decisive role in Europe and world history?

Jutland Peninsula
Denmark

Scandinavian Peninsula
Sweden and Norway

Iberian Peninsula
Spain and Portugal

Apennine Peninsula
Italy

Balkan Peninsula
Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania, Serbia, Slovenia​​

Laberia
12-28-2017, 01:40 PM
Balkan and Appennine.

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
12-28-2017, 01:47 PM
Personally the three most important are in the south, be it the Iberian Peninsula, Apennine Peninsula and the Balkan Peninsula. When I mention the importance of the Balkan Peninsula I am mostly referring to the Hellenic sphere, even though it includes all the other nations mentioned above.

I am voting on the Iberian Peninsula due to its importance on shaping the world has we know. Most ex-Iberian colonies will be major nations in the future, if some ain't already.

The Illyrian Warrior
12-28-2017, 01:48 PM
Apennine has & Balkans had. (I voted for former as I thought it has to do solely with present but in past Balkans had/has most activity, other were just a lame local infighting, if it weren't for Balkan resistance and Skanderbeg OP will praise Islam and shout Mashallah & Allahu Akbar at every sentence)

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
12-28-2017, 01:54 PM
if it weren't for Balkan resistance and Skanderbeg OP will praise Islam and shout Mashallah & Allahu Akbar at every sentence

You might consider saying so to other Europeans but not to Iberians. The Iberian Reconquista was undoubtedly more impressive and we actually did reconquer the whole Peninsula unlike Skanderberg who failed to do so. Five centuries later, the ones who do say mashallah and allahu akbar in Europe are to be found among your people, not mine.

Maintenance
12-28-2017, 01:55 PM
Iberian peninsula

The Illyrian Warrior
12-28-2017, 02:14 PM
You might consider saying so to other Europeans but not to Iberians. The Iberian Reconquista was undoubtedly more impressive and we actually did reconquer the whole Peninsula unlike Skanderberg who failed to do so. Five centuries later, the ones who do say mashallah and allahu akbar in Europe are to be found among your people, not mine.

The complexity goes into your account however as I careless who prey on which God, both religions come from same place with almost similar dogma and teaching yet when I hear Iberberians you may think we are talking about two complete religions, one representing a divine and other completely evil religion, you know for an genuine atheist as you claim you are, this should sound stupid when you praise Christianity and loath Islam, the thing is Christians at one point were what Islamist are today (Crusades were like Jihad of our time, even more death in their account) and paradoxically enough what Arabs/Islam was at that exact point were for you like a progressive 'Christian' (not really religious one) is today, I see fault in both religions but I'm not complexed enough to gain an allergy or use for WN purpose like you do.

Now time for preying brother, may Allah guide you. :D

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
12-28-2017, 02:28 PM
The complexity goes into your account however as I careless who prey on which God, both religions come from same place with almost similar dogma and teaching yet when I hear Iberberians you may think we are talking about two complete religions, one representing a divine and other completely evil religion, you know for an genuine atheist as you claim you are, this should sound stupid when you praise Christianity and loath Islam, the thing is Christians at one point were what Islamist are today was (Crusades were like Jihad of our time, even more death in their account) and paradoxically enough what Arabs/Islam was at that exact point were for you like a progressive 'Christian' (not really religious one) is today, I see fault in both religions but I'm not complexed enough to gain an allergy or use for WN purpose like you do.

Now time for preying brother, may Allah guide you. :D

You seem to care a lot actually, since you were the first to mention and attribute an importance to Skanderberg that does not correspond to reality. You also assumed that hypothetically all of Europe would be under the banner of Islam if it wasn't for him, which is ridiculous and mere speculation.

The Iberians - with much lower odds than what they had on the Balkans - reconquered their whole Peninsula back. They also decimated the Ottoman navy on the Indian Ocean.

Both religions are completely different when it comes to the social impact they have had. Undeniably Christianity had and has its evil deeds but nations under its banner were able to progress. The same did not happen in any Islamic majority nation as far as I am concerned, especially after theologian philosophers such as Al-Ghazali came in to power and initiated the decline of scientific research in the Islamic world until the present day.

For the best or for the worse, European matrix is Judeo-Christian and you can't fully understand a huge portion of its history without it. The same can not be said about Islam.

It is just laughable when you hear someone from Kosovo attributing themselves an importance that they do not have. Kosovo is 95% plus majority Muslim. There are nations in the Middle-East that don't even have such an high percentage, yet the guy who was born from Muslim parents and probably has Muslim cousins, aunts, uncles and what not is telling me to be guided by Allah? It is about time you grow some self-consciousness.

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
12-28-2017, 02:49 PM
Someone voted on the Jutland Peninsula, would be interesting to hear their opinion.

Laberia
12-28-2017, 03:01 PM
You might consider saying so to other Europeans but not to Iberians. The Iberian Reconquista was undoubtedly more impressive and we actually did reconquer the whole Peninsula unlike Skanderberg who failed to do so. Five centuries later, the ones who do say mashallah and allahu akbar in Europe are to be found among your people, not mine.

You are wrong. Scanderbeg didn't failed.
And after how many centuries of Arab rule happened Reconquista?

Laberia
12-28-2017, 03:11 PM
Someone voted on the Jutland Peninsula, would be interesting to hear their opinion.

Deymark.

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
12-28-2017, 03:11 PM
You are wrong. Scanderbeg didn't failed.
And after how many centuries of Arab rule happened Reconquista?

The Reconquista started already on the 8th century with Pelagius being proclaimed the King of Asturias. In the 9th century the county of Portucale already existed. Dom Afonso Henriques (our first king) during his lifetime reconquered nearly all the region where Portugal is geographically located nowadays. He did it more or less in 40 years, considering his kingdom lasted 46 years. We were not under Moorish rule for not even two hundred years in most regions.

Annie999
12-28-2017, 03:17 PM
Personally the three most important are in the south, be it the Iberian Peninsula, Apennine Peninsula and the Balkan Peninsula. When I mention the importance of the Balkan Peninsula I am mostly referring to the Hellenic sphere, even though it includes all the other nations mentioned above.

I am voting on the Iberian Peninsula due to its importance on shaping the world has we know. Most ex-Iberian colonies will be major nations in the future, if some ain't already.

The reason these ex-iberian colonies are not already developed is because of the iberians as well, and how they decided to rule their colonization (in opposite to english colonies that had a very different approach and showed to be way more successful).

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
12-28-2017, 03:21 PM
The reason these ex-iberian colonies are not already developed is because of the iberians as well, and how they decided to rule their colonization (in opposite to english colonies that had a very different approach and showed to be way more successful).

One thing that all successful British colonies have in common is that their native people is nearly extinct or absent, be it in the U.S.A. or Australia per example. That way the process of settling and starting an orderly colony was easier. Is that the different approach you're talking about?

Their African, Asian and Middle-Eastern colonies where they were not able to do so are a complete mess and far worse than Latin America in most cases.

Kriptc06
12-28-2017, 03:26 PM
The reason these ex-iberian colonies are not already developed is because of the iberians as well, and how they decided to rule their colonization (in opposite to english colonies that had a very different approach and showed to be way more successful).

I wouldn't blame them entirely, but the people that succeeded them, the corrupt people better saying. Gaining independence is not an easy task, if you install a corrupt/weak system it will fail, and the elite will suck the government tits for ever, and not rule the country properly, making poor people poorer.

Look at south sudan example, the turmoil it was after they became independent, the people that rule are to blame, luckily we aren't as bad.
I could discuss more, but it's very hard so in English.

Porn Master
12-28-2017, 03:28 PM
Deymark.




Teutone is gypsy Deymark from ROMAnia? xD

Laberia
12-28-2017, 03:30 PM
Teutone is gypsy Deymark from ROMAnia? xD

Yep, directly from the headquarters of his master and chief Bruce Lee in the sewers of Bucharest.

Porn Master
12-28-2017, 03:31 PM
Yep, directly from the headquarters of his master and chief Bruce Lee in the sewers of Bucharest.




damn xD i knew that something was not right with Teutone, so he is gaymark(Deymark) xD now he's playing a christian german character lmao

Ülev
12-28-2017, 03:34 PM
whole Europe is just a small Peninsula of Asian continent, lol and soon Xi will get it back (Silk Road version 2.0)

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
12-28-2017, 03:39 PM
whole Europe is just a small Peninsula of Asian continent, lol and soon Xi will get it back (Silk Road version 2.0)

Sometimes Europe is mentioned as the "Peninsula of Peninsulas".

Annie999
12-28-2017, 03:40 PM
One thing that all successful British colonies have in common is that their native people is nearly extinct or absent, be it in the U.S.A. or Australia per example. That way the process of settling and starting an orderly colony was easier. Is that the different approach you're talking about?

Their African, Asian and Middle-Eastern colonies where they were not able to do so are a complete mess and far worse than Latin America in most cases.

That's certainly one important factor but not the only one.

Iberians reached new lands and only cared about sending resources back to Europe. They didn't care for development of new nations, in fact the colonials had a minimal settled ruling class that took all lands for their own, leaving natives and blacks basically working for them as slaves in infra-human conditions. That's where the division of class in Latin America started; a white minority with power ruling over all kind of poor and uneducated mestizos and mulatos. These differences and abuses from the white ruling class has caused major rebellions and political unsuitability since then, and even nowadays in some cases it's hard to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

On the other hand, the english colonies wanted to actually live and progress in the new found land, and did everything in their power to succeed, giving away lands to their own people, promoting immigration and positive laws, building successful countries. Of course to achieve that, they had to commit a massive genocide of natives and enslavement of blacks. But the combination of both things is what made english colonies to quickly success as developed countries.

But as I said, it's not like iberians didn't abuse in every way of natives and blacks as well, they just didn't have the will or vision to purposely wipe them off and take the lands for their own like it happened with the english colonies. (by all means Im NOT defending that action, just analyzing). They just wanted to flee back to Europe and sell the goods they found in these new rich lands and create convenient ties with the small ruling class that remained in LA.

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
12-28-2017, 03:58 PM
That's certainly one important factor but not the only one.

Iberians reached new lands and only cared about sending resources back to Europe.

British colonials did the same as well for the most part until the U.S. proclaimed its independence. Their independence struggle started exactly because they did not want to be taxed anymore by the British crown. Due to that and after that, they changed their approach in many of their colonies.


They didn't care for development of new nations, in fact the colonials had a minimal settled ruling class that took all lands for their own, leaving natives and blacks basically working for them as slaves in infra-human conditions.

That might have been the case for ex-Spanish colonies, since they lost the control of them way earlier than the Portuguese did. Let me remind you that we were the first global Empire and the last one. Our last colony was granted back to China only in 1999 (Macau), which happens to be richest city in China after Hong Kong.
Portuguese colonies in Africa were granted their independence in 1975, huge development efforts and infrastructures were built in such countries and they were some of the most advanced and peaceful nations in Africa back in the day. Natives were as Portuguese as any other Portuguese. So much that Luanda in Angola per example, was more progressive than Lisbon, the capital of the Empire.


That's where the division of class in Latin America started; a white minority with power ruling over all kind of poor and uneducated mestizos and mulatos. These differences and abuses from the white ruling class has caused major rebellions and political unsuitability since then, and even nowadays in some cases it's hard to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Every country that has a multitude of different ethnic backgrounds has the same problem, be it in Latin America, the U.S. or Sweden. It's not really because of the Iberian division of classes but mostly because there is a clash of civilization between such groups that differ in values, religions and socio-cultural backgrounds.


On the other hand, the english colonies wanted to actually live and progress in the new found land, and did everything in their power to succeed, giving away lands to their own people, promoting immigration and positive laws, building successful countries. Of course to achieve that, they had to commit a massive genocide of natives and enslavement of blacks. But the combination of both things is what made english colonies to quickly success as developed countries.

Yes, most British settlers did want to have a life in the New World and that's because they were the equivalent of what we would call nowadays a "refugee". Most of them were religiously persecuted in Europe and found harbor on the New World. Iberian settlers on the other hand did not come to Latin America because of persecution. The Portuguese settlers for the most part used to see themselves in a missionary mission to spread and propagate Christianity among the natives, instead of just merely wiping them out.


But as I said, it's not like iberians didn't abuse in every way of natives and blacks as well, they just didn't have the will or vision to purposely wipe them off and take the lands for their own like it happened with the english colonies. (by all means Im NOT defending that action, just analyzing).

Some of those nations are independent for nearly three centuries, it is kinda pointless to keep on blaming Iberians for what goes on in there after so many generations have passed. Besides Uruguay seems to be on the right path.

Annie999
12-28-2017, 05:16 PM
^ Dont take it personal, Im not referring particularly to Portugal nor Uruguay. Im speaking about the characteristics of the iberian colonization in general and the different mentality in comparison to the english settlers that lead to a different outcome (your response seemed to be kinda defensive).

And yes, 300 years have passed but the foundations done by the iberians to project future countries were extremelly poor (unlike the englishmen), and as I explained the consequences are still palpable nowadays, in some countries more than others.

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
12-28-2017, 05:34 PM
^ Dont take it personal, Im not referring particularly to Portugal nor Uruguay. Im speaking about the characteristics of the iberian colonization in general and the different mentality in comparison to the english settlers that lead to a different outcome (your response seemed to be kinda defensive).

And yes, 300 years have passed but the foundations done by the iberians to project future countries were extremelly poor (unlike the englishmen), and as I explained the consequences are still palpable nowadays, in some countries more than others.

Not defensive but explanatory. Some Brazilians also tend to blame Portugal for some of their deep rooted problems, so I am assuming that other South Americans do the same with Spain as well.
I just tried to give my perspective, because most Latin Americans tend to put the Brits in a pedestal and try to replicate everything they do (Brazil is like a copy of the U.S. in many aspects) while looking down upon Iberians. The irony is that most of them wouldn't even exist or be alive had they been colonized by the Brits as they seem to prefer.

Bobby Martnen
10-11-2018, 06:16 AM
Voted for Italy because it is the home of PAVAROTTI

Bosniensis
10-11-2018, 06:18 AM
Balkan Peninsula aka Helm Peninsula.

It's a place where European civilization emerged.

Crn Volk
10-11-2018, 06:23 AM
Balkans obviously

gıulıoımpa
11-08-2018, 01:13 PM
Italic and Iberian

arkas
11-11-2018, 01:02 AM
Iberian=Apennine>Balkan>Scandanavian=Jutland

Iberia has surely been the most prominent in modern history, Apennine more so in ancient times as was the Balkans.

On a side note, the entirety of Europe itself is a peninsula of Asia.

GreentheViper
11-11-2018, 01:17 AM
Apennine
Balkan
Iberian
Jutland
Scandinavian