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Peterski
12-28-2017, 02:40 PM
GAC culture in Poland was autosomally 3/4 Euro Neolithic + 1/4 WHG and their Y-DNA was I2:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/09/19/135616.full.pdf

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2017/09/19/135616.DC4/135616-1.pdf


Poland, Kierzkowo (8 individuals)

The Globular Amphora Culture (GAC) is characterised by the decorated globular ceramic vessels with short necks and small handles.67-69 The culture was nomadic, with unstable settlement patterns. Cultivation was not entirely abandoned, but animal husbandry was the most important part of the economy–dominated by pigs and cattle, with some horses.67,70-72

The archaeological site from which we obtained data from the Globular Amphora Culture lies in the Żnin district (Kujavia-Pommerania voivodeship, Northwest Poland). It contains a megalithic barrow tomb 22 meters long West-to-East with width varying from 3 to 6 meters North-to-South. The first 10 meters of the length of the tomb was built from stone slabs and rubble, leading to a chamber to which two low small corridors led from the south. An enormous stone divided the chamber into two unequal parts. Within the chamber there were Neolithic human bones gathered into two large clusters.
We also report the first genetic data associated with the Late Neolithic Globular Amphora Complex. Individuals from two Globular Amphora sites in Poland (Kierzkowo) and Ukraine (Ilyatka) form a tight cluster, showing high similarity over a large distance (Figure 1B,D). Both Globular Amphora Complex groups of samples had more hunter-gatherer-related ancestry than Middle Neolithic groups from Central Europe7 (we estimate 25% [CI: 22-27%] WHG ancestry, similar to Chalcolithic Iberia, Supplementary Data Table 3). In east-central Europe, the Globular Amphora Complex preceded or abutted the Corded Ware Complex that marks the appearance of steppe-related ancestry,7,15 while in southeastern Europe, the Globular Amphora Complex bordered populations with steppe-influenced material cultures for hundreds of years44 and yet the individuals in our study have no evidence of steppe-related ancestry, providing support for the hypothesis that this material cultural frontier was also a barrier to gene flow.

Gray = EEF (LBK) admixture; green and pink = HG admixture; yellow = Steppe admixture:

https://i.imgur.com/LfrU2mG.png

Y-DNA haplogroups and autosomal coverage of Kierzkowo individuals:

Globular Amphora Poland Kierzkowo [I2441 / 8.5] M 3400-2800 BCE 510373 SNPs I2a2a1b
Globular Amphora Poland Kierzkowo [I2403 / 3.4] M 2870-2575 BCE 290049 SNPs I2a2
Globular Amphora Poland Kierzkowo [I2440 / 7.6] M 3100-2900 BCE 189493 SNPs I2
Globular Amphora Poland Kierzkowo [I2405 / 8.2a] M 3335-3020 BCE 91505 SNPs I2a2

Peterski
12-28-2017, 03:01 PM
Unfortunately these genomes are still not publicly available for download & upload to GEDmatch.

Ülev
12-28-2017, 03:20 PM
"Poland" was so nice back in the time, no 'R1 knights'

Peterski
12-28-2017, 04:02 PM
"Poland" was so nice back in the time, no 'R1 knights'

I wonder which phenotypes in Poland today can be traced back to Globular Amphora culture?

Maybe globular phenotypes. Krzysztof Globisz? Michał Pazdan?

Or maybe Neolithic admixture in modern Poland is not from GAC but rather from Trypillia?

Token
12-28-2017, 04:05 PM
It would be nice to see where they plot compared to modern Poles.

Peterski
12-28-2017, 04:22 PM
It would be nice to see where they plot compared to modern Poles.

Surely far away because these GAC samples plot between Sardinia, Iberia, Basques & South France.

Here modern samples are gray:

https://i.imgur.com/AvOoGBe.png

Here modern samples in color:

http://mathii.github.io/assets/images/Lazaridis_pca.jpg

No Polish samples in this PCA, but there are Belarusians, Czechs, Ukrainians, Hungarians, etc.

Token
12-28-2017, 04:37 PM
Surely far away because these GAC samples plot between Sardinia, Iberia, Basques & South France.

Here modern samples are gray:

https://i.imgur.com/AvOoGBe.png

Here modern samples in color:

No Polish samples in this PCA, but there are Belarusians, Czechs, Ukrainians, Hungarians, etc.

It is surprising that they don't show any steppe-like admixture despite being situated right in the middle of Corded Ware. Do you think that they are ancestral to modern Poles? Obviously before the major Bronze Age turnover.

Peterski
12-28-2017, 04:41 PM
despite being situated right in the middle of Corded Ware

They preceded Corded Ware, which came later. But then both cultures co-existed for some time, until I guess GAC was totally absorbed by CWC. As for the origins of CWC, see: http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/12/corded-ware-as-offshoot-of-hungarian.html

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/T7R45C1xzO3IoMQeDzu22XMobp2OuPcxsKgRC-3mIgQYhV2TzH_MBY_eSW17_vCiIoyfZ_iaYAmV3RAg9y39=w13 24-h617-rw


Do you think that they are ancestral to modern Poles? Obviously before the major Bronze Age turnover.

I guess that modern Poles harbor some ancestry from them.

But I don't know if Neolithic admix in Poles is mostly from them or other Neolithic groups, like Trypillians?

Dandelion
12-28-2017, 04:45 PM
If only they weren't assimilated into the Rethelian fold. Still not too bad of a fate to undergo. Except if you're immoral or a pervert, Rethelians are an inclusive bunch.

Peterski
12-28-2017, 04:47 PM
IIRC, Corded Ware invaded GAC territory, and for some time GAC enclaves continued to exist, but eventually disappeared.

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Edit:

Here is a list of Y-DNA from Copper and Bronze Age Poland, as you can see R1a, R1b, but also one G2a and one I2 or J:

R1b-M269 comes from Bell Beaker graves in Samborzec in Southern Poland (see Olalde et al. 2017):

https://i.imgur.com/pWuyc1n.png

Token
12-28-2017, 04:50 PM
They preceded Corded Ware, which came later. But both cultures co-existed for some time, until I guess GAC was totally absorbed by CWC. As for the origins of CWC, see: http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/12/corded-ware-as-offshoot-of-hungarian.html

Yes, i know that, but they co-existed for around one century with CWC and also bordered Yamnaya in the southeast during all their time of existence. Considering that Yamnaya was home for highly mobile herder-warriors, it is surprising that none of them resolved to made their way through it.

Peterski
12-28-2017, 05:06 PM
Here is a list of Y-DNA from Copper & Bronze Age Poland, as you can see R1a, R1b, but also one G2a and one I2 or J:

R1b-M269 comes from Bell Beaker graves in Samborzec in Southern Poland (see Olalde et al. 2017):

https://i.imgur.com/pWuyc1n.png

Samborzec Bell Beakers were 46% Steppe + 38% Neolithic + 16% HG (see Table S4. in Supplement):

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2017/05/09/135962.DC1/135962-1.pdf

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/05/09/135962.full.pdf

Lucas
12-28-2017, 05:12 PM
Samborzec Bell Beakers were 46% Steppe + 38% Neolithic + 16% HG (see Table S4. in Supplement):

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2017/05/09/135962.DC1/135962-1.pdf

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/05/09/135962.full.pdf

I bet most of GAC ancestry was exterminated or they were forbidden to intermarry with Rhetelians.

Peterski
12-28-2017, 05:16 PM
I bet most of GAC ancestry was exterminated or they were forbidden to intermarry with Rhetelians.

Samborzec Bell Beaker could be modeled as 1/2 Yamnaya + 1/2 GAC, no ??? With a few % of extra HG.

"Balanced Mestizos". ;)

Lucas
12-28-2017, 05:33 PM
Samborzec Bell Beaker could be modeled as 1/2 Yamnaya + 1/2 GAC, no ??? With a few % of extra HG.

But most of this ancestry must be diluted, exterminated or whatever during next few centuries.

Reconstructions of Tripolyans from Ukraine. I don't think such racial type is popular in this region today:)


https://s14.postimg.org/ggfahr441/trip.jpg

Peterski
12-28-2017, 05:34 PM
Reconstructions of Tripolyans from Ukraine. I don't think such racial type is popular in this region today:)

https://s14.postimg.org/ggfahr441/trip.jpg

The guy on the left looks Dinaric to me. The guy on the right also looks Khokhol as fuck. :)

Lucas
12-28-2017, 05:39 PM
The guy on the left looks Dinaric to me. The guy on the right also looks Khokhol as fuck. :)

Zaporozhe Kossack?:)

Lucas
12-28-2017, 05:41 PM
The guy on the left looks Dinaric to me. The guy on the right also looks Khokhol as fuck. :)

This is wrong impression.

Both were possibly doli. But faces were very long. Noses were on the border of narrow and medium wide. I can only talk about population averages which were in this book of Konduktorova.
Those reconstructions were without metrics.

Rethel
12-28-2017, 08:17 PM
Didn't I make a such titled thread? :)

Rethel
12-28-2017, 08:19 PM
GAC

And then, the polish emblem looked like that: :laugh:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a5/a5/fc/a5a5fc9b2a60120691515d765e2a7efc.jpg

Pahli
12-28-2017, 08:53 PM
Lol GAC = WOGs