Is it possible that I have some Vlach ancestors

[MercifulServant]

I get romanians on oracle alot and I am a Serb from the Krajina is it possible some of my ancestors were vlachs I mean I heard many were assimalated

[Seya]

which oracles? surprisingly i never get romanian..i always get bulgarian or macedonian

[MercifulServant]

which oracles? surprisingly i never get romanian..i always get bulgarian or macedonian

I get romanians as #1 on the EU test and J test

[Kouros]

Possibly, but I don't see how that oracle would directly reflect that. There's just something pulling you closer to Romania genetically, presumably northern European ancestry. The likelihood of a random balkan kid having vlach or Roman ancestors is high nonetheless. It's just that it is impossible to track genealogically without historical documentation or a good grasp of your ancestry.

[MercifulServant]

Bump

[chyyris]

Vlachs are originally eastern Romance speaking sheperds, but some non-Romance people were known as vlachs (with small v) because of their lifestyle.

Anyway Vlachs are not biological catagory or race.

[Carpatz]

In all likelihood, all Serbs have Vlach ancestry, because they were the Romanized natives of the region that encompasses modern Serbia before the Slav immigrations.

[chyyris]

In all likelihood, all Serbs have Vlach ancestry, because they were the Romanized natives of the region that encompasses modern Serbia before the Slav immigrations.

There is no native Vlachs in Serbia such as in Albania and Greece.
Vlachs from Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs_of_Serbia came to eastern Serbia from Oltenia, Muntenia and eastern Banat in period 1718-1739.

In the middle age there was Vlachs in Kosovo and southeastern Serbia, bur they are dissapeared later and Vlach which live in eastern Serbia are not related with them.
In southeastern Serbia there is mountain region Vlasina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlasina
Near town Dimitrovgrad also in southeastern Serbia there is a mountain microregion Burel.
Vlasina and Burel indicate to Vlachs presence.

What happened with Vlachs from southeastern Serbia and western Bulgaria?
Some historians claims that they migrated to present day Romania (Wallachia) in the late middle age.

[Bobby Martnen]

What is this fashion now to relate yourself with Vlachs?
You Serbs never really liked the Vlachs, always made jokes about Vlachs like, if you're greedy,than you must have some Vlach ancestry etc...
Or is it in fashion now because you want to claim native Balkan ancestry? :D :D

All Serbs are a mix of native Balkan + Eastern Slav, hence "Balkan Slavs"

[wvwvw]

You look typical Serb.

[chyyris]

You look typical Serb.

He doesn't look paleo-Balkanic (aka Vlachic) at all.
He can pass in eastern Slavic countries easy.

[wvwvw]

He doesn't look paleo-Balkanic (aka Vlachic) at all.
He can pass in eastern Slavic countries easy.

Indeed, he doesn’t look like a Vlach influenced Serb. Although he may pass in other Slavic countries I also think he looks distinctly Serb.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

which oracles? surprisingly i never get romanian..i always get bulgarian or macedonian


I get romanians as #1 on the EU test and J test

https://s14.postimg.org/tbiowlga9/novembreblogpostfig.jpg


Not really suprising, you all cluster near each other kinda like Iberians from different regions do.

[Seya]

https://s14.postimg.org/tbiowlga9/novembreblogpostfig.jpg


Not really suprising, you all cluster near each other kinda like Iberians from different regions do.

Yes, i’ve seen that SE romanians are closer to bulgarians and macedonians then they are to northern romanians. I didn’t know that when i wrote the comment. The romanian sample used is an average one that’s why doesn’t match to many of us.

[Marmara]

https://s14.postimg.org/tbiowlga9/novembreblogpostfig.jpg


Not really suprising, you all cluster near each other kinda like Iberians from different regions do.

What's up with Slovakians on this map :confused:

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Yes, i’ve seen that SE romanians are closer to bulgarians and macedonians then they are to northern romanians. I didn’t know that when i wrote the comment. The romanian sample used is an average one that’s why doesn’t match to many of us.

What is intriguing on this PCA Map though is that Bulgaria seems to be the most western-shifted out of the nations mentioned. It doesn't seem to be the case on other PCA Maps I have seen, usually it is Serbia followed by Romania (incidentally the only two nations from the Balkans that sometimes pop up on my top 20 clusters).

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

What's up with Slovakians on this map :confused:

Stears would say that they are all "woggish Jew boys" and would use this map to corroborate.

[Seya]

What is intriguing on this PCA Map though is that Bulgaria seems to be the most western-shifted out of the nations mentioned. It doesn't seem to be the case on other PCA Maps I have seen, usually it is Serbia followed by Romania (incidentally the only two nations from the Balkans that sometimes pop up on my top 20 clusters).

I also think there is something wrong with this map...also what’s RS or SK down there?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I also think there is something wrong with this map...also what’s RS or SK down there?

Ok, this map seems to take into account a comparison between genetic and geographic structure in Europe.

"The researchers used a mathematical technique called principle components analysis (PCA) to collapse large amounts of SNP data for 3,192 people drawn from throughout Europe into a two-dimensional “map” of their genetic distances from one another. (Figure 1) When the researchers looked at the DNA of any two individuals, they found that the number of genetic differences between them was proportional to the geographic distance that separates their respective home countries. Even within countries the researchers saw that groups with similar cultural histories shared similar genetics. For example, Italian-speakers from southern Switzerland tended to cluster together with other Italian-speakers and apart from other Swiss groups. (Figure 2)"

[MercifulServant]

You look typical Serb.

my DNA results are Southern for my region

[MercifulServant]

Indeed, he doesn’t look like a Vlach influenced Serb. Although he may pass in other Slavic countries I also think he looks distinctly Serb.

Genetically more vlach influenced though

[Tauromachos]

Stears would say that they are all "woggish Jew boys" and would use this map to corroborate.

For Stears the Middle East starts South East from Hungary.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

For Stears the Middle East starts South East from Hungary.

I have seen him thrashing Slovaks as well and how they are supossedly a lot darker than Hungarians. Actually everytime a darker Hungarian is posted it is either Jewish, Gypsy or Slovak according to him.

[Tauromachos]

I have seen him thrashing Slovaks as well and how they are supossedly a lot darker than Hungarians. Actually everytime a darker Hungarian is posted it is either Jewish, Gypsy or Slovak according to him.

If you going by what TA members say here about different Europeans and their differences in skintone you don't need to go to Africa anymore
you already have everything in Europe from total white to total black.

[Ylla]

I also think there is something wrong with this map...also what’s RS or SK down there?

It's not correct at all but he loves to post it

[chyyris]

my DNA results are Southern for my region

Your North_European at K12b is close to 40%, right?

[MercifulServant]

Your North_European at K12b is close to 40%, right?

39.83 but that is only one calculator

[chyyris]

39.83 but that is only one calculator

I know.
At K12b you are more southern than Serbs from your region, but you are sligtly more northern than average Serbs.
Serbian average at K12b is 39,1% , Krajina Serbs are 41-41,5% on average, I think.

[Mingle]

All Serbs are a mix of native Balkan + Eastern Slav, hence "Balkan Slavs"

They're mainly called Balkan Slavic as a geographic designator.

[Mingle]

If you have noticeably higher Mediterranean than the average Serb, then it could be Vlach ancestry. Otherwise, you probably don't have Vlach ancestry. Just a guess.

[chyyris]

If you have noticeably higher Mediterranean than the average Serb, then it could be Vlach ancestry. Otherwise, you probably don't have Vlach ancestry. Just a guess.

This is average Serbian K12b
https://dnk.poreklo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/K12b-admixture-gotovo.jpg

His results are not alien at all.
I think that Decius give to much importance to haplogroup.

[Mingle]

Decius, can you post your K12b (including your oracles)?

[Mingle]

This is average Serbian K12b
https://dnk.poreklo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/K12b-admixture-gotovo.jpg

His results are not alien at all.
I think that Decius give to much importance to haplogroup.

You said the average Serb was based off of Serbs from southern and southeast Serbia right?

[chyyris]

You said the average Serb was based off of Serbs from southern and southeast Serbia right?

Average Serb is based on the Serbian results from all regions (including Montenegro).

I not sure which region give the most samples.
I also know that on average at K12b Serbs from Serbia have 37,91% North_European, Serbs from Bosnia and Croatia 41,19%, and Montenegrins 36,15%.

[MercifulServant]

Decius, can you post your K12b (including your oracles)?

I will but it doesn't matter because I'm more southern than the Serbian average on other calcs


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 39.83
2 Atlantic_Med 26.30
3 Caucasus 22.22
4 Southwest_Asian 6.39
5 Gedrosia 3.79
6 East_Asian 0.81
7 Siberian 0.34
8 Northwest_African 0.32



Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanians_Behar @ 7.696279
2 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 9.738057
3 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 10.204224
4 Hungarians_Behar @ 11.058549
5 German_Dodecad @ 17.445963
6 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 20.649244
7 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.078867
8 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 22.392385
9 French_Dodecad @ 23.541206
10 French_HGDP @ 23.742186
11 Dutch_Dodecad @ 23.923193
12 TSI30_Metspalu @ 24.909054
13 Greek_Dodecad @ 25.169067
14 North_Italian_HGDP @ 25.185341
15 Tuscan_HGDP @ 25.520933
16 Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 25.589960
17 Kent_1000Genomes @ 26.252439
18 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 26.415588
19 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 26.423344
20 English_Dodecad @ 26.620893

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% C_Italian_Dodecad +50% Mixed_Slav_Dodecad @ 2.126620


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Dodecad +25% Mixed_Slav_Dodecad +25% Swedish_Dodecad @ 1.122149

[chyyris]

@ Decius

Your mother is from Banija, right?

[MercifulServant]

@ Decius

Your mother is from Banija, right?

Yes

[chyyris]

Yes

I think that Serbs from Banija are one of most northern shifted Serbs, because they are lighter pigmented than Serbian average.

[MercifulServant]

What is this fashion now to relate yourself with Vlachs?
You Serbs never really liked the Vlachs, always made jokes about Vlachs like, if you're greedy,than you must have some Vlach ancestry etc...
Or is it in fashion now because you want to claim native Balkan ancestry? :D :D

I have absolutely no problem with vlach people, I am asking if it is possible that I have vlach ancestors due to me being southern shifted for my region

[Dick]

I have absolutely no problem with vlach people, I am asking if it is possible that I have vlach ancestors due to me being southern shifted for my region

Aren’t u mostly montenegrin

[chyyris]

Aren’t u mostly montenegrin

Bosniensis claims that his ancestors came to western Bosnia from Montenegro.
Maybe ancestors of Decius also came from Montenegro.
Decius and Bosniensis are genetically pretty close to each other.

[MercifulServant]

Aren’t u mostly montenegrin

Nope my family are Serbs from Croatia I was expecting Northern shifted results but instead I plotted With Serbs from Serbia and Romanians

[chyyris]

Nope my family are Serbs from Croatia I was expecting Northern shifted results but instead I plotted With Serbs from Serbia and Romanians

Serbs from Croatia predominantly have far Herzegovinian origin, but maybe your ancestors came from Montenegro.

[MercifulServant]

Serbs from Croatia predominantly have far Herzegovinian origin, but maybe your ancestors came from Montenegro.

Maybe some but my paternal side I think came from Herzegovina centuries ago

[chyyris]

Maybe some but my paternal side I think came from Herzegovina centuries ago

Half of Serbs claims that their ancestor came from Herzegovina, and other half think that have origin from Montenegro. :D

Serbs from Bosnia and Croatia are more related with Herzegovina, and Serbs from Serbia are more related with Montenegro.

[MercifulServant]

Half of Serbs claims that their ancestor came from Herzegovina, and other half think that have origin from Montenegro. :D

Serbs from Bosnia and Croatia are more related with Herzegovina, and Serbs from Serbia are more related with Montenegro.

Hopefully I have ancestors from Montenegro (Serbian Sparta)

[chyyris]

Hopefully I have ancestors from Montenegro (Serbian Sparta)

It was once.
I don't like present day Monteniggas.