Vojnik's Geneplaza results

[Vojnik]

Probably about right considering my origins?



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[Kamal900]

I guess your mongoloid or Asiatic genes are from the Turkic settlers from the early middle ages or something like the Bulgars or the Kipchaks. It also tells us that your a mix between Slavic and native Balkan peoples of South-Eastern Europe.

[Vojnik]

I guess your mongoloid or Asiatic genes are from the Turkic settlers from the early middle ages or something like the Bulgars or the Kipchaks. It also tells us that your a mix between Slavic and native Balkan peoples of South-Eastern Europe.

Yes but it just says south Slavic, and not East Slavic. And I agree with Asiatic from possible Turkic tribes. Very little mongoloid though.

Baskir people.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/63/184866129_a7bc4c13e6.jpg

[Kamal900]

Yes but it just says south Slavic, and not East Slavic.

Which could be ancient or something rather than recent, yes. Eastern Slavic peoples aren't the perfect representatives on the genetic structure of the ancient slavs, you know.

[kingjohn]

yes but the south slavic cluster himself
is a mixture between greeco -albanian + east slavic
remember boesnius results :coffee:

[Vojnik]

yes but the south slavic cluster himself
is a mixture between greeco -albanian + east slavic
remember boesnius results :coffee:

Could the same be said about the Greek-Albanian having some Slavic? Or is the Greek-Albanian in this graph like half European half middle eastern?

[kingjohn]

Could the same be said about the Greek-Albanian having some Slavic? Or is the Greek-Albanian in this graph like half European half middle eastern?

:noidea:

[Thracian]

K29 is an awful calculator.

[Vojnik]

K29 is an awful calculator.

I paid 5 euro for it which is almost 8 Australian dollars. What a rip! I want my money back! :p

[kingjohn]

I paid 5 euro for it which is almost 8 Australian dollars. What a rip! I want my money back! :p

look man you are slav macedonian
about your results
afcorse you are going to match bosnians and serbs better than ukranian and belarussians { the refernce for the east slavic cluster}
the greek albanian in you is the legacy of illaryans you should be proud :)
the only thing rare is the fucking bashkir 3% :picard2:
beyond that honestly your results look logic :)

[Thracian]

look man you are slav macedonian
about your results
afcorse you are going to match bosnians and serbs better than ukranian and belarussians { the refernce for the east slavic cluster}
the greek albanian in you is the legacy of illaryans you should be proud :)
the only thing rare is the fucking bashkir 3% :picard2:
beyond that honestly your results look logic :)

My scores are terrible.

It gives me 14% Scandinavian, 26.5% Spanish/Basque and 0%Southern Slavic. Almost all of my results are irrational.

[Vojnik]

look man you are slav macedonian
about your results
afcorse you are going to match bosnians and serbs better than ukranian and belarussians { the refernce for the east slavic cluster}
the greek albanian in you is the legacy of illaryans you should be proud :)
the only thing rare is the fucking bashkir 3% :picard2:
beyond that honestly your results look logic :)

But I want to be Aboriginie!

https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4160/33965200940_a2819e488e_b.jpg

[kingjohn]

My scores are terrible.

It gives me 14% Scandinavian, 26.5% Spanish/Basque and 0%Southern Slavic. Almost all of my results are irrational.

ok what are you full scores ?
and your known ancestery ?
and which file raw data you used as an upload to gene plazza ?


p.s
vojnik results look logic except the fucking bashkir though :rolleyes:

[Vojnik]

ok what are you full scores ?
and your known ancestery ?
and which file raw data you used as an upload to gene plazza ?


p.s
vojnik results look logic except the fucking bashkir though :rolleyes:

Its probably Kumans. Or even more recent from the Ottoman invaders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumans

[Vojnik]

My DNA.LAND results.

I'm West Eurasian.

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[Lucas]

ok what are you full scores ?
and your known ancestery ?
and which file raw data you used as an upload to gene plazza ?


p.s
vojnik results look logic except the fucking bashkir though :rolleyes:

Kurd calc is skewed toward Mongoloid genes. Many western European have some Tatar, Turkmen, Uzbek etc. I understand West-Asia, Caucasus but I saw Turkmen in French or Brititsh results (don't remember).

[Voskos]

It seems you are around 50% Greek genetically.

[kingjohn]

Kurd calc is skewed toward Mongoloid genes. Many western European have some Tatar, Turkmen, Uzbek etc. I understand West-Asia, Caucasus but I saw Turkmen in French or Brititsh results (don't remember).

do you think your k47 calculator is better ?
in both calculators i score some east euro
kind regards
adam

[Lucas]

do you think your k47 calculator is better ?
in both calculators i score some east euro
kind regards
adam

Mayeb mine is more NW-Euro skewed, but be honest, Turkmen or Tatar for Western European is bullshit.

[CabOOM]

I think that calculator isn't a great reflection. They tried to be politically correct by making Serbs 100% non Greco-Albanian. And then made Albanian and Greeks, 100% Albanian and Greek. Neither is obviously correct. That is why it is difficult to understand how much of the "South Slav" is actually Slavic at all.

Pelagonia should not have much Slavic input. Should be within reason, I imagine. Your results seem to be saying youre 50% of what ever Greco-Albos are and 50% of what ever Serbs are. This 50% of Serbs can even be a full 50% Balkan that is included as part of Serbs into the Slavic. Which would not be correct.

[wvwvw]

Geneplaza robbed me of my Slavic. I expected at least some but nope. I'm disappointed.

http://i68.tinypic.com/rh95ax.png

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[Vojnik]

What do you get in DNA.LAND?

[Mingle]

How do they differentiate between Greek-Albanian and Sicilian? And between South Slav and East Slav?

[Vojnik]

I think that calculator isn't a great reflection. They tried to be politically correct by making Serbs 100% non Greco-Albanian. And then made Albanian and Greeks, 100% Albanian and Greek. Neither is obviously correct. That is why it is difficult to understand how much of the "South Slav" is actually Slavic at all.

Pelagonia should not have much Slavic input. Should be within reason, I imagine. Your results seem to be saying youre 50% of what ever Greco-Albos are and 50% of what ever Serbs are. This 50% of Serbs can even be a full 50% Balkan that is included as part of Serbs into the Slavic. Which would not be correct.

How can they be politically correct though when they don't necessarily know you nationality? I for example just uploaded my raw data that i got from 23andme.

[Dick]

I think that calculator isn't a great reflection. They tried to be politically correct by making Serbs 100% non Greco-Albanian.

Not true. You can see different results on anthrogenica.


https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?12934-K25-Updated-to-K29-Admixture-Calculator

[CabOOM]

How can they be politically correct though when they don't necessarily know you nationality? I for example just uploaded my raw data that i got from 23andme.

Well, they just use for example the Serb samples they have to equate to being Slavic. Even-though these samples have considerable non-Slavic. And then use Albanian or Greek samples to equate to being Albanian or Greek. Its all about what samples they use. If you wanted, you can even have a family with 6 siblings appear as 1 side German and the other French, just by the differing data, if you really wanted. The calculator is correct in what it says, just not very reliable for you to understand what it means.

[Vojnik]

How do they differentiate between Greek-Albanian and Sicilian? And between South Slav and East Slav?

I'm guessing for Greek/Albanian they take samples from Greeks and Albanians and make a reference. same goes for Sicilians. South Slavs references come from Serbs and Bulgarians. East Slavs from Russians.

[CabOOM]

Not true. You can see different results on anthrogenica.


https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?12934-K25-Updated-to-K29-Admixture-Calculator

The very fact that your results don't have Greco-Albanian is enough to understand. Your Southern Slavic is mostly Balkan, and not Slavic. As is your Sicilian-Sardinian mostly Balkan.

[CabOOM]

I'm guessing for Greek/Albanian they take samples from Greeks and Albanians and make a reference. same goes for Sicilians. South Slavs references come from Serbs and Bulgarians. East Slavs from Russians.

Exactly.

[Dick]

The very fact that your results don't have Greco-Albanian is enough to understand. Your Southern Slavic is mostly Balkan, and not Slavic. As is your Sicilian-Sardinian mostly Balkan.

It depends on the individual. Look at the link I posted. There are even Poles that get Greece-Albania as well. Why are you sour over my results.

[CabOOM]

It depends on the individual. Look at the link I posted. There are even Poles that get Greece-Albania as well. Why are you sour over my results.

I'm not sour, man. :D

Just what I think. You don't have to agree with it.

Also, not everyone from the same country will match those samples exactly. which is why wwvw, doesn't have an exact 100% match like so many Greeks and Albanians do. Doesn't mean she's not 100%. She is just not 100% in reference to those samples.

[Lioncourt]

I think that calculator isn't a great reflection. They tried to be politically correct by making Serbs 100% non Greco-Albanian. And then made Albanian and Greeks, 100% Albanian and Greek. Neither is obviously correct. That is why it is difficult to understand how much of the "South Slav" is actually Slavic at all.

I tells him genetically he is halfway between Serbs and Albanians/Greeks. Which means more native than Slavic. How much more, it is uncertain and no genetic calculator can tell it.

[Vojnik]

I'm just glad i don't get South Asian, West Asian, South West Asian and African. You know, all those nasty stuff. I've just got a little bit of Asian in me, but that's ok, i can live with that.

[Vojnik]

Im half ancient Macedonian and half Thraco-Illyrian.

[wvwvw]

It depends on the individual. Look at the link I posted. There are even Poles that get Greece-Albania as well. Why are you sour over my results.

From which part of Serbia is your ancestry from? Northern Serbia?

[Dick]

From which part of Serbia is your ancestry from? Northern Serbia?

Yes and Dalmatia.

[Lioncourt]

Im half ancient Macedonian and half Thraco-Illyrian.

Nonsense, you're 100% antichen. Sasha Velikovski is your great-grandfather.

[wvwvw]

I'm just glad i don't get South Asian, West Asian, South West Asian and African. You know, all those nasty stuff. I've just got a little bit of Asian in me, but that's ok, i can live with that.

You are glad you don't get any noble Gujarati blood!? If you did your iq would be a few iq's higher like Fractal's.

[CabOOM]

Im half ancient Macedonian and half Thraco-Illyrian.

I don't know about this one.

You're more native than not native.

[Vojnik]

Nonsense, you're 100% antichen. Sasha Velikovski is your great-grandfather.

Da. Toj mi e pra dedo. Tocno taka. :D URA URA!

[Vojnik]

You are glad you don't get any noble Gujarati blood!? If you did your iq would be a few iq's higher like Fractal's.

Yes but Indians eat where they shit. So im happy to sacrifice the higher ability to do algebra.

[CommonSense]

I guess your mongoloid or Asiatic genes are from the Turkic settlers from the early middle ages or something like the Bulgars or the Kipchaks. It also tells us that your a mix between Slavic and native Balkan peoples of South-Eastern Europe.

Could it be from Avars or would the calculator show only a more recent admixture?

[Vojnik]

I don't know about this one.

You're more native than not native.

Lets face it. I'm pretty Gheg. True? Or more Tosk because i'm darker pigmented.

[Kamal900]

Could it be from Avars or would the calculator show only a more recent admixture?

The avars were mostly the ruling class, and the Slavs pretty much turn the tables on them once they got what they wanted in the Balkans. Very likely stemming from either the Bulgars or recent Turkic migrant from Russia.

[Dick]

The avars were mostly the ruling class, and the Slavs pretty much turn the tables on them once they got what they wanted in the Balkans. Very likely stemming from either the Bulgars or recent Turkic migrant from Russia.

He gets some Bashkir who descend from the Volga Bulgars.

[wvwvw]

The avars were mostly the ruling class, and the Slavs pretty much turn the tables on them once they got what they wanted in the Balkans. Very likely stemming from either the Bulgars or recent Turkic migrant from Russia.

Most Europeans score some Asian in their Geneplaza results

[CabOOM]

Lets face it. I'm pretty Gheg. True? Or more Tosk because i'm darker pigmented.

The picture I saw from you, you're stereotypical southerner. So Tosk. Not limited to the south either. I'd place you in the Korca area, which is close to you actually. Tosk aren't actually darker. In the Laberia area, they are very light pigmented even-though they have one of the highest Med. And in the North, Mirdita is one of the more swarthy regions, even-though there has never been recorded admixture there.

Post your picture one more time.

[CommonSense]

Tosk aren't actually darker. In the Laberia area, they are very light pigmented even-though they have one of the highest Med.

No


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo54HgbYKho

[CabOOM]

No


This is from my experience. Labs have been historically very protective and aggressive. If you go to these region even for vacation you will understand they are not swarthy at all.

You also can't take middle age men as a measure of swarthyness. Life under communism wasn't easy and people had to do hard jobs, which is what you see in the faces of these people. It is not necessarily swarthy. Just different exposure to elements. Kind of like measuring a farmer.

[CommonSense]

This is from my experience. Labs have been historically very protective and aggressive. If you go to these region even for vacation you will understand they are swarthy at all.

You also can't take middle age men as a measure of swarthyness. Life under communism wasn't easy and people had to do hard jobs, which is what you see in the faces of these people. It is not necessarily swarthy. Just different exposure to elements. Kind of like measuring a farmer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HOYzDMAyks

OK, in this video the people are lighter, there are some younger ones too...but I doubt that as a whole that region is light pigmented. You wouldn't be able to find people like this in videos otherwise.

[Dick]

The very fact that your results don't have Greco-Albanian is enough to understand.



I'm not sour, man. :D


http://wildgoosemama.com/wp-content/uploads/sour-lemon-woman-2.jpg

[CabOOM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HOYzDMAyks

OK, in this video the people are lighter, there are some younger ones too...but I doubt that as a whole that region is light pigmented. You wouldn't be able to find people like this in videos otherwise.

Relative to Albanians. Not relative to Russia or Germany.

[CabOOM]

http://wildgoosemama.com/wp-content/uploads/sour-lemon-woman-2.jpg

Hahha.

You have no Albanian sperm in you. You happy?

:D :D

[CommonSense]

Relative to Albanians. Not relative to Russia or Germany.

Allright. When you said light I didn't imagine Russians, but lighter pigmented Albanians like Bekim Balaj.

[CabOOM]

Allright. When you said light I didn't imagine Russians, but lighter pigmented Albanians like Bekim Balaj.

Bekim Balaj might be somewhat outlier.

This guy for example

Ardit Bido - Archive Secretary(or something like that)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8B9ZmdG9kX0/maxresdefault.jpg

[Kamal900]

Most Europeans score some Asian in their Geneplaza results

Not this high though.

[Vojnik]

Not this high though.

The Bashkirs are heavily mixed with Europeans anyway. Its not like i'm solid 4% Chinese or something.



The Bashkirs physically and genetically have a mixture of European and Asiatic traits, which is fitting because they live on both sides of the Ural Mountains geographically separating Europe and Asia. Fedorova's team found them to be 60.7% Caucasian and 39.3% Mongoloid. That makes them more Mongoloid than the Volga Tatars and Chuvashes (http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/chuvashes.html) but less Mongoloid than some Central Asian Turkic-speaking peoples like the Uyghurs (http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/uygurs.html) and Kazakhs (http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/kazakhs.html). Indeed, the Tatars and Chuvashes don't look as Mongoloid as the Bashkirs do, but the Kazakhs typically look very Mongoloid.

So Bashkirs themselves are more European then Asian.

[oszkar07]

My scores are terrible.

It gives me 14% Scandinavian, 26.5% Spanish/Basque and 0%Southern Slavic. Almost all of my results are irrational.

Whats your background ?

[Kamal900]

The Bashkirs are heavily mixed with Europeans anyway. Its not like i'm solid 4% Chinese or something.



So Bashkirs themselves are more European then Asian.

Yes, indeed. I said that your Asian admixture is mostly Turkic from modern day Russia who are a mix between local European Caucasoids and neo-Mongoloids.

[oszkar07]

Yes, indeed. I said that your Asian admixture is mostly Turkic from modern day Russia who are a mix between local European Caucasoids and neo-Mongoloids.

How accurate are these central asian trace elements on the K29, I see on Anthrogenica according to Kurd's comments they are accurate.

I get 3.6% Tatars on k29 , but I dont trust my K29 results because it gives me 36% South European ... which means either Spanish/Basque, no other calc has given me that result , based on K29 I should be more than one third Spanish or Basque , that does not make sense in any way.
The only area where they may have been slightly accurate is giving me 34.2% East Euro, but they only gave me 26.1 West Euro which is unlikely based on majority other calculator results and my known ancestry.

For me I have to say K29 overall does not seem to be a good calculator, it defintly for me didnt live up to the hype.
I used my ftdna raw data converted to 23 and me but I have seen people who had the up to date23 and me data complain about their results and Ive seen people who used converted data praise it.
It seems a very hit and miss calc.