Stears haplogroup

[Stears]

So I made test to find out my subclade.

I-FGC9486

[Stears]

What does it mean ? There is no mention of this subclade anywhere on the internet

[RN97]

What does it mean ? There is no mention of this subclade anywhere on the internet

I-FGC9486
I= I, FG= Fag. It means I'm a fag.

[Stears]

I-FGC9486
I= I, FG= Fag. It means I'm a fag.

You are simply envy monkey.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

It's maybe the rare, specific subclade. There is one subclade here in Bosnia of R1a-Z280 and no one country have the similar one.

[Stears]

It's maybe the rare, specific subclade. There is one subclade here in Bosnia of R1a-Z280 and no one country have the similar one subclade.

Yes, it rare.

[Peterski]

So I made test to find out my subclade.

I-FGC9486

It is I1a1b1a4a2f1a1a (FGC9486):

https://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI.html

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I1/

Descended from I1a1b1a4a2, which is L813:

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml

[Stears]

It is I1a1b1a4a2f1a1a (FGC9486):

https://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI.html

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I1/

Descended from I1a1b1a4a2, which is L813:

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml

So how did it arrive to Transylvania ? Goths, Saxons or perhaps with the conquering Hungarians ?

[kingjohn]

So how did it arrive to Transylvania ? Goths, Saxons or perhaps with the conquering Hungarians ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvanian_Saxons

but el litvino knows better :wink

[Stears]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvanian_Saxons

but el litvino knows better :wink

The problem is, birth town of my father never had any Saxon presence. It was 100% Hungarian. And we do not know for any German origin in his family.

So if mixture happened, it was in the late medieval era, or even before that.

[glass]

The problem is, birth town of my father never had any Saxon presence. It was 100% Hungarian. And we do not know for any German origin in his family.

So if mixture happened, it was in the late medieval era, or even before that.
You are rape product or 1 night stand:rolleyes:

[Stears]

You are rape product or 1 night stand:rolleyes:

Laughable

[Kelmendasi]

It is descended from L22 and is mainly found in Scandinavia iirc. Your clade came with Norsemen from what I can tell

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Congratulations. May I know which test you did? I would like to do one as well someday to find out if my R1b-L21 is of Iberian branch or something else.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Stears = Viking

[Stears]

Congratulations. May I know which test you did? I would like to do one as well someday to find out if my R1b-L21 is of Iberian branch or something else.

I tested with yseq. My GF recommended me that.

[Stears]

Stears = Viking

Perhaps. It is not so common in Germany. I found some people with similar mutation in Norway, Scotland and Flanders.

But do not forget, conquering Hungarians carried significant norse admixture. So it can be even from there.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I tested with yseq. My GF recommended me that.

They have a R1b-L21 superclade orientation panel, exactly what I wanted but not sure if I want to give 99 bucks for it. I guess I will try to find a cheaper alternative.

[Kelmendasi]

They have a R1b-L21 superclade orientation panel, exactly what I wanted but not sure if I want to give 99 bucks for it. I guess I will try to find a cheaper alternative.
Hard to find one as Yseq is one of the cheapest Ydna testing companies.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Hard to find one as Yseq is one of the cheapest Ydna testing companies.

Have you done it?

[Kelmendasi]

Have you done it?
Yep, I did Ydna and Mtdna

[Dick]

So I made test to find out my subclade.



this is from yfull. rare like a mannequin of the shop window nowadays.

https://i.imgur.com/K94bmA2.jpg

[spik]

this is from yfull. rare like a mannequin of the shop window nowadays.

https://i.imgur.com/K94bmA2.jpg
Did you contact your relatives in Britain and Norway?

[Dick]

Did you contact your relatives in Britain and Norway?

that's stears' subclade not mine.

[Kelmendasi]

this is from yfull. rare like a mannequin of the shop window nowadays.

[im]https://i.imgur.com/K94bmA2.jpg[/img]
Viking settlers for sure

[Dibran]

Stears = Viking

He'd make an excellent Shield Maiden xD

[Stears]

He'd make an excellent Shield Maiden xD

I look much more manly than the slavic descended monkey like you :))))))

[Dibran]

I look much more manly than the slavic descended monkey like you :))))))

Lmao. Everyone whose seen my photos would agree, I make you look like a fem boy. Now shut the fuck up.

[Stears]

Lmao. Everyone whose seen my photos would agree, I make you look like a fem boy. Now shut the fuck up.

Post link to your pictures, if you brave enough.

[Dibran]

Post link to your pictures, if you brave enough.

Lol. "brave". Run along fem boy.

https://s14.postimg.org/dwaijz981/image.jpg

https://s14.postimg.org/89e5m1gup/IMG_7784.png

https://s14.postimg.org/89e5m540x/unnamed_21.jpg

https://s14.postimg.org/6hl6rbcz5/IMG-8588.jpg

[Karol Klačansky]

so you arent Magyar? suprising :coffee:

[CabOOM]

LOlll

http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/shutterstock_67024219.jpg

[Dick]

Viking settlers for sure

looks like but how did it end up in Hungary? whats the Ant. abbreviation in great britain stand for?

[Stears]

My post-soviet central asian looking friend, you do not look more manly than me. The beard does not help.

[Dibran]

My post-soviet central asian looking friend, you do not look more manly than me. The beard does not help.

Lmao. Keep reaching you Magyar dog. You look like a clean shave is all you need before you start turning tricks on the corner. Ma Hangsh

[Stears]

so you arent Magyar? suprising :coffee:

My father is a nobleman and 100% Hungarian. What proof do you have this mutation was not present among Hungarians when they arrive to the Carpathian basin ?

[Stears]

Lmao. Keep reaching you Magyar dog. You look like a clean shave is all you need before you start turning tricks on the corner. Ma Hangsh

how tall are you, 160 cm ? It does not wonder, you are so mad :)

[MercifulServant]

My post-soviet central asian looking friend, you do not look more manly than me. The beard does not help.

Central Asian looking :rotfl: are you on drugs

[Stears]

Central Asian looking :rotfl: are you on drugs

he has the tajik or pashtun (afghani) vibe

aR1an connection ? :)))))

[Dibran]

how tall are you, 160 cm ? It does not wonder, you are so mad :)

Are all Hungarians as retarded as you? If you must know I am 174 cm. Not that it matters. Clearly you are mad that you are a clean shave away from looking like a east European street hooker. Face it.

[Dibran]

Central Asian looking :rotfl: are you on drugs

Hes mad he looks like a fem boy. He's just reaching at this point. At least Central Asian men look like men. Stears for Queers.

[CabOOM]

he has the tajik or pashtun (afghani) vibe

aR1an connection ? :)))))

He has a very Albanian look. You find it in Albania and Greece. Possibly Italy as well.

[Stears]

Are all Hungarians as retarded as you? If you must know I am 174 cm. Not that it matters. Clearly you are mad that you are a clean shave away from looking like a east European street hooker. Face it.

My ancient Indoeuropean proletarian friend, I am 21 cm taller than you.

Deal with my superiority!

[MercifulServant]

He has a very Albanian look. You find it in Albania and Greece. Possibly Italy as well.

I was also thinking he looks Italian.

[CabOOM]

I was also thinking he looks Italian.

I find Albanians and Italians looks overlap often, especially southern Italy. Although there are some looks that are only Albanian and some that are only Italian.

[Karol Klačansky]

My father is a nobleman and 100% Hungarian. What proof do you have this mutation was not present among Hungarians when they arrive to the Carpathian basin ?What proof do you have that it was?

Original magyar haplogroup was N1c you have a typical germanic haplogroup. Magyars turned ur nation into the freak of central Europe with the ugliest language. Pitty u lost your original germanic and slavic languages

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[MercifulServant]

My ancient Indoeuropean proletarian friend, I am 21 cm taller than you.

Deal with my superiority!

God damn why does haplogroup matter so damn much its literally like 0.01 percent of youre genome, even you have said it before. It would be like calling you Viking because youre ydna is.

[Slavic Italian]

I was also thinking he looks Italian.

He looks like a SS man.

[Dibran]

My ancient Indoeuropean proletarian friend, I am 21 cm taller than you.

Deal with my superiority!

I have knocked out people as tall as you. You make for some lanky fucks. Even fucked a girl near as tall. You clearly don't know what manliness means. You realized you looked like a fool when you saw what a fem boy you are compared to me. So now you're grasping at your height to feel like a man. I will let everyone else be the judge.

[Kelmendasi]

looks like but how did it end up in Hungary? whats the Ant. abbreviation in great britain stand for?
I personally believe it to be linked to the Vikings who settled in the Carpathian basin during the early Middle Ages http://www.academia.edu/23561981/The_Vikings_in_Hungary_A_preliminary_report_on_the _presence_of_Scandinavians_in_the_Carpathian_Basin _during_the_Early_Middle_Ages. ANT is an abbreviation for a place in Northern Ireland iirc

[Stears]

Hes mad he looks like a fem boy. He's just reaching at this point. At least Central Asian men look like men. Stears for Queers.
https://i.imgur.com/KF9g4VS.png

Just go and ask women, is my face manly enough. Interesingly, only the envy guys try to insult my look, because they have been offended by my posts.

[CabOOM]

My opinion of how this conversation went,

The one with a larger cucumber told the smaller cucumber to SIT DOWN. Just my opinion though

https://russianpickle.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/rec_002_.jpg





What about his haplo. It is surely Viking?

[Dibran]

He looks like a SS man.

SS as in Hitlers SS? I don't look German.

[Dibran]

https://i.imgur.com/KF9g4VS.png

Just go and ask women, is my face manly enough. Interesingly, only the envy guys try to insult my look, because they have been offended by my posts.

Grow out your hair. Shave your beard. I think its clear you are a fem boy. intermediate between man and woman.

[Kriptc06]

looks like but how did it end up in Hungary? whats the Ant. abbreviation in great britain stand for?

Goths?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Invasions_of_the_Roman_Empire_1.png/1200px-Invasions_of_the_Roman_Empire_1.png

[Stears]

What proof do you have that it was?

Original magyar haplogroup was N1c you have a typical germanic haplogroup. Magyars turned ur nation into the freak of central Europe with the ugliest language. Pitty u lost your original germanic and slavic languages

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Wrong. Conquering Hungarians already had a mixature of various haplogroups, like the western R1b and the dinaric I2. Not only N1c.

It is your funny language that is not sophisticated enough for the high culture. Hungarian is considered most complex and logical European language.

And do not forget, it is your nation that is product of the 19th century nationalism, not Hungary. You slovaks always try to insult Hungarians, because of lack of the glorious past. Everything valuable in ''Slovakia'' was built by Hungarians.

Deal with it.

[Dick]

I personally believe it to be linked to the Vikings who settled in the Carpathian basin during the early Middle Ages http://www.academia.edu/23561981/The_Vikings_in_Hungary_A_preliminary_report_on_the _presence_of_Scandinavians_in_the_Carpathian_Basin _during_the_Early_Middle_Ages. ANT is an abbreviation for a place in Northern Ireland iirc


Goths?


Well, there are no east Europeans in his subclade yet so Varanagians or Goths is just a speculation for now.

[Stears]

God damn why does haplogroup matter so damn much its literally like 0.01 percent of youre genome, even you have said it before. It would be like calling you Viking because youre ydna is.

I am Magyar. autosomal DNA much more important.

[Stears]

Slovaks were primitive mountain sheperds that lived in the mud huts, when Hungarians bulid all the important cities in the so-called ''Slovakia'' (Upper Hungary). They lived similar lifestlye like the Balkan Vlachs.

It is no wonder, they are such hateful nazi slavic supremacist nation.

[CabOOM]

I am Magyar. autosomal DNA much more important.

People need to understand that Y-DNA is like Russian Rulet. Every single person in your ethno is mixed with that initial Y-DNA. You simply carry the historical event of that individual line. You have thousands of lines, of which Y-DNA is only 1.

Autosomal is most important.

[Karol Klačansky]

Wrong. Conquering Hungarians already had a mixature of various haplogroups, like the western R1b and the dinaric I2. Not only N1c.

It is your funny language that is not sophisticated enough for the high culture. Hungarian is considered most complex and logical European language.

And do not forget, it is your nation that is product of the 19th century nationalism, not Hungary. You slovaks always try to insult Hungarians, because of lack of the glorious past. Everything valuable in ''Slovakia'' was built by Hungarians.

Deal with it.Everything valuable in hungary was built by slovaks. Youre all a nation of schizophrenics who gave up their original culture. Just like ur most beloved poet alexander petrovic (sandor petöfi). He gave up being slovak and became so intellectual y gifted due to the hungarian language that he went and died for an ethnicity he didnt even belong to. You are all like him in hungary and now u despise the natives who u came from.

[Karol Klačansky]

Slovaks were primitive mountain sheperds that lived in the mud huts, when Hungarians bulid all the important cities in the so-called ''Slovakia'' (Upper Hungary). They lived similar lifestlye like the Balkan Vlachs.

It is no wonder, they are such hateful nazi slavic supremacist nation.Biggest neo nazi organization in europe comes.from hungary you monkey

[Stears]

Grow out your hair. Shave your beard. I think its clear you are a fem boy. intermediate between man and woman.

I think it is clear, you are dwarf with short dick who cannot satisfy a woman, therefore frustrated like the hell.

[Dick]

why does every stears thread become a shitstorm :rotfl:

[Dibran]

I think it is clear, you are dwarf with short dick who cannot satisfy a woman, therefore frustrated like the hell.

Lmao. Look whose talking. Every one of your responses have been a temper tantrum. Is it that time of the month? Tampax is the U.S recommended brand. Idk if they have that in Hungry.

[Dibran]

why does every stears thread become a shitstorm :rotfl:

He said he looked like more of a man than I did. Now hes reaching because I made him look like a fem boy. Lol. Hes a shave away from turning tricks at the corner.

[Stears]

Everything valuable in hungary was built by slovaks. Youre all a nation of schizophrenics who gave up their original culture. Just like ur most beloved poet alexander petrovic (sandor petöfi). He gave up being slovak and became so intellectual y gifted due to the hungarian language that he went and died for an ethnicity he didnt even belong to. You are all like him in hungary and now u despise the natives who u came from.

He was only half SLovak. Petrovics is a Serbian name you monkey. But he always wrote about the artistic and creative superiority of the Hungarian over slavic languages.

But it was a rare mixature in Hungary, he was from Cumania, where such mixature is a rule.

What did slovaks build in Hungary ? Sheperd huts ? :))))))))) Don't be stupid.

[Dick]

Sandor Petöfi was Serb in origin, yes.

[Stears]

Biggest neo nazi organization in europe comes.from hungary you monkey

Wrong. But it is interesting, how the creator of the first SLovak Republic was Adolf Hitler.

have you build him a monument in ''Bratislava'' ? :)))))))

[Stears]

Slovakia is considered ''ethnic democracy'' by the western European standards.

[Karol Klačansky]

Sandor Petöfi was Serb in origin, yes.Serb father slovak mother and he grew up in a slovak village

[Stears]

He said he looked like more of a man than I did. Now hes reaching because I made him look like a fem boy. Lol. Hes a shave away from turning tricks at the corner.

Envy dwarf, I look more manly than you. Deal with it.

[Karol Klačansky]

He was only half SLovak. Petrovics is a Serbian name you monkey. But he always wrote about the artistic and creative superiority of the Hungarian over slavic languages.

But it was a rare mixature in Hungary, he was from Cumania, where such mixature is a rule.

What did slovaks build in Hungary ? Sheperd huts ? :))))))))) Don't be stupid.My great grandmother had the last name petrovic, its common in slovakia and his serb ancestry is debatable according to some sources. His slovak isnt. Magyars were always ruling minority original slovaks built everything and did manual labor. Slovak workers built all of budapest.

[Slavic Italian]

SS as in Hitlers SS? I don't look German.

Are you Stears?

[Karol Klačansky]

Slovakia is considered ''ethnic democracy'' by the western European standards.Hungary is the definition of ethnic democracy. A nation of central europeans who chose an asian ethnic identity.

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[Dibran]

Envy dwarf, I look more manly than you. Deal with it.

Whatever helps you sleep, princess. xD

[Dick]

My great grandmother had the last name petrovic, its common in slovakia and his serb ancestry is debatable according to some sources. His slovak isnt. Magyars were always ruling minority original slovaks built everything and did manual labor. Slovak workers built all of budapest.

surname Petrovic is 1000% Serb though. Serbs settled in what is now Slovakia as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_Slovakia


There is a small number of Serbs in Slovakia, mostly located in the southern town of Komárno, where they have been living since the 17th century

[Stears]

My great grandmother had the last name petrovic, its common in slovakia and his serb ancestry is debatable according to some sources. His slovak isnt. Magyars were always ruling minority original slovaks built everything and did manual labor. Slovak workers built all of budapest.

Slovaks were mountain shepherds with mostly semi-nomadic lifestyle until the late 16th century. Their material culture was backward eastern European (despite their western-christian religions) similar to Ukrainians. The sad fact for you: All cities were built by Hungarians and Germans in your Slovakia.

[Karol Klačansky]

Slovaks with mostly semi-nomadic lifestyle.

Thats hilarious coming from a Magyar.

[Stears]

Thats hilarious coming from a Magyar.

We abandon semi-nomadic lifestlye, centuries before the slovaks have.

[Karol Klačansky]

surname Petrovic is 1000% Serb though. Serbs settled in what is now Slovakia as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_SlovakiaPetrovic is a common name in all slavic countries. I have zero ancestry from southern slovakia, specifically komarno. Im not saying in alexandor petrobič's that its slovak but I have read that his father being of serbian origin isnt for sure but assumed while his slovak ancestry isnt. His mother was described by all as having a string Slovak accent.

[Karol Klačansky]

We abandon semi-nomadic lifestlye, centuries before the slovaks have.20% of the hungarian language is of slavic origin, while slovak has less than 2% of hungarian words. You guys are 100% descended from us. Deal with it.

[Stears]

20% of the hungarian language is of slavic origin, while slovak has less than 2% of hungarian words. You guys are 100% descended from us. Deal with it.

Yes, Eastern Slavic origin. Genetically even Czechs are closer to Hungarians than Slovaks.

[Karol Klačansky]

Yes, Eastern Slavic origin. Genetically even Czechs are closer to Hungarians than Slovaks.So now u claim eastern slavic ancestry [emoji23]

If czechs are closer to hungarians genetically then good for then. I want nothing to do with them

Also even lajos kossuth one of ur most famous historical figures was slovak. When he claimed hungarian ethnicity his uncle disowned him for denying and not supporting the slovak cause. He betrayed his own people and nation. Typical behavior of a nation started by peope betraying their own ancestry.

[Stears]

So now u claim eastern slavic ancestry [emoji23]

If czechs are closer to hungarians genetically then good for then. I want nothing to do with them

Also even lajos kossuth one of ur most famous historical figures was slovak. When he claimed hungarian ethnicity his uncle disowned him for denying and not supporting the slovak cause. He betrayed his own people and nation. Typical behavior of a nation started by peope betraying their own ancestry.

My debil friend, I spoke about Eastern Slavic origin loan words in Hungarian. Lajos Kossuth had Slovak paternal and German maternal origin. Slovak nation did not exist before Hitler. Slovak was not a nation , just an ethnic group before that, because they had not state before Adolf established it.

[kingjohn]

My ancient Indoeuropean proletarian friend, I am 21 cm taller than you.

Deal with my superiority!

yes you are taller
but he look robust man
i would not go to a fight with him ....
i think it his illaryan blood ...

[Karol Klačansky]

My debil friend, I spoke about Eastern Slavic origin loan words in Hungarian. Lajos Kossuth had Slovak paternal and German maternal origin. Slovak nation did not exist before Hitler. Slovak was not a nation , just an ethnic group before that, because they had not state before Adolf established it.Thats why his uncle disowned him for denying his slovak roots. His uncle was the biggest supporter if Štur and the slovak national Awakening. The hungarian nation is ethnic democracy as you can see.

Another so called famous hungarian writer, again of serbian and slovak descent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihály_Táncsics

If you research the roots of every famous hungarian you discover hes not hungarian at all.

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[Dibran]

yes you are taller
but he look robust man
i would not go to a fight with him ....
i think it his illaryan blood ...

Your Semite folk are no push overs either ;)

[kingjohn]

stears look like a model
no one can deny ...
but people if people here look for the most tougher face or robust look
it is dibran the illaryan

[Stears]

Thats why his uncle disowned him for denying his slovak roots. His uncle was the biggest supporter if Štur and the slovak national Awakening. The hungarian nation is ethnic democracy as you can see.

Another so called famous hungarian writer, again of serbian and slovak descent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihály_Táncsics

If you research the roots of every famous hungarian you discover hes not hungarian at all.

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Tancsics was not writer (he had not any novels), but plebeian politician and journalist.

Slovaks had not internationally famous poets writers painter sculptors componists musicians architects. They had nothing. Thats why you can not found articles about slovak poets writers painter sculptors componists musicians architects in old Encyclopedia Britannica, or in old German Brockhaus or in old French Lariusse encyclopedia.

[Stears]

Frustrated envy vbla bla bla

Slovak is one of the youngest ethnonym in Europe, the slovak term was born only in the early modern era. Slovaks were early modern mixture of immigrants: Czech hussites in the west, Polish immigrants from the north, Local Hungarians, German settlers and rusyn people in the east.

[kingjohn]

He has a very Albanian look. You find it in Albania and Greece. Possibly Italy as well.

maybe this the explanation for it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians#/media/File:Illyrian_colonies_in_Italy_550_BC_(English)_( simple_map).svg

[CabOOM]

maybe this the explanation for it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians#/media/File:Illyrian_colonies_in_Italy_550_BC_(English)_( simple_map).svg

It may have to do with high Mediterranean admixture. Not necessarily any specific movements of people.

[Bobby Martnen]

You have the best haplogroup - congrats!

[Rethel]

What does it mean ? There is no mention of this subclade anywhere on the internet

Becasue it is I-Y5483.
Seems scandinavian.


The problem is, birth town of my father never had any Saxon presence. It was 100% Hungarian. And we do not know for any German origin in his family.

So if mixture happened, it was in the late medieval era, or even before that.

To make such conclusions, firstly you have to confirm your haplotype.

[Rethel]

What proof do you have that it was?

Original magyar haplogroup was N1c you have a typical germanic haplogroup. Magyars turned ur nation into the freak of central Europe with the ugliest language. Pitty u lost your original germanic and slavic languages

There is possibility that he was absorbed in Etelköz.
But there is no sense in such divagations, it almost
cannot be proofed in any way, neither contradict,
neither we do not know, if his hg is the right one.
Even if is, we will have only 400 years back. Still
to late for arpadian/gothic/whatever conclusions.

[Bobby Martnen]

Slovakia is considered ''ethnic democracy'' by the western European standards.

Ethnic nationalism is way better than civic nationalism.

One people, one language, one state.

[Stears]

Becasue it is I-Y5483.
Seems scandinavian.



To make such conclusions, firstly you have to confirm your haplotype.

how ?

[Stears]

Ethnic nationalism is way better than civic nationalism.

One people, one language, one state.

Interestingly, when Lajos Kossuth considered all citizens of the Hungarian Kingdom Hungarians (no matter their mother tongue), he was attack by slavic nationalist leaders.

[Karol Klačansky]

Interestingly, when Lajos Kossuth considered all citizens of the Hungarian Kingdom Hungarians (no matter their mother tongue), he was attack by slavic nationalist leaders.Yea exactly why hungary is an ethnic democracy. He was disowned by his own family so it shows what kind of nut he himself was.

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[Stears]

Yea exactly why hungary is an ethnic democracy. He was disowned by his own family so it shows what kind of nut he himself was.

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If Hungary was ethnic democracy, Slovaks would not exist. Deal with it.

[Stears]

Ethnic democracy comes from the german philiosophical concept of nation (imagined common blood for ancestry) and it was adopted by all eastern european and balkanite states.

Hungary was only country in central europe, that adopted that western (French) concept of nation, which was based on citizenship.

From the German concept, nazism was born. All the later faschist ideologies have root from there.

[Bosniensis]

Your Haplogroup might be Norse

Stears Lothbrok son of Ragnar

[Stears]

Your Haplogroup might be Norse

Stears Lothbrok son of Ragnar

Maybe in the far past.

[Karol Klačansky]

If Hungary was ethnic democracy, Slovaks would not exist. Deal with it.Slovaks all democratically voted to become hungarian in hungary thats why Toth is the third most common name in hungary. The slovaks who didnt betray their people had to seperate.

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[Dick]

Your Haplogroup might be Norse

Stears Lothbrok son of Ragnar

His specific subclade of I1 is Norse.

[Stears]

Slovaks all democratically voted to become hungarian in hungary thats why Toth is the third most common name in hungary. The slovaks who didnt betray their people had to seperate.

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"Toth" did not mean Slovak until the 20th century. The original meaning of Tot or Toth was Western Christian Slavonic speakers. Like Croatians, Poles, Czechs, and Slovaks.

[Stears]

Brainwashed ignorant blah blah blah

In July 1849, the Hungarian Revolutionary Parliament proclaimed and enacted the first laws on ethnic and minority rights in the world. It gave minorities the freedom to use their mothertongue at local administration, at tribunals, in schools, in community life and even within the national guard of non-Magyar councils. However these laws were overturned after the united Russian and Austrian armies crushed the Hungarian Revolution. After the Kingdom of Hungary reached the Compromise with the Habsburg Dynasty in 1867, one of the first acts of its restored Parliament was to pass a Law on Nationalities (Act Number XLIV of1868).


The situation of minorities in Hungary were muchmore better than in contemporary pre WW1 Europe. Other highlymultiethnic /multinational countries were: France Russia and UK.


See the multi-national UK:

The situation of Scottish Irish Welsh people in "Britain" during the English hegemony is well known. They utmost forgot their original language,only English language cultural educational institutions existed. The only language was English in judiciary procedures and in offices and public administrations. It was not a real "United" Kingdom,it was rather a greater England.


See the multiethnicFrance:

In 1870, France was a similar-degree multi-ethnic state as Hungary, only 50% of the population of France spoke the French language as mothertongue. The other half of the population spoke Occitan, Catalan, Corsican, Alsatian, West Flemish, Lorraine Franconian, Gallo, Picard or Ch’timi and Arpitan etc... Many minority languages were closer to spanish or Italian language than French) French governments banned minority language schools ,minority language newspapers minority theaters. They banned the usage of minority languages in offices , public administration, and judiciary procedures. The ratio of french mothertongue increased from 50% to 91% during the 1870-1910 period!!!

The situation inGerman Empire was well known (Polish territories)

What aboutRussia?

Russian Empire was even more multiethnic state thanHungary (60% of the population was non-russian), without theexistence of minority rights. The forced russification is also wellknown


Just look the contemporary pre WW1-era Europe:
Magyarization was not so harsh as the contemporary western European situation, because the minorities were defended by minority rights and laws. Contemporary Western European legal systems did not know the minority rights, therefore they covered up their minorities.Just a short comparison between Hungary and pre-WW1 Western European states: 1.Were there state sponsored minority schools in Western European countries? NO. 2. How many official languages existed in Western-European states? Only 1 official language! 3. Could minorities use their languages in the offices of public administration in self-governments , in tribunals in Western Europe?No, they couldn't. 4. Did the minorities have own fractions and political parties in the western European parliaments ? No, no they hadn't. 5. What about newspapers of ethnic minorities in Western Europe? They did not exist in the West.... We can continue these things to the infinity.

[spik]

Your Haplogroup might be Norse

Stears Lothbrok son of Ragnar

He’s as Hungarian as they come.

[Karol Klačansky]

In July 1849, the Hungarian Revolutionary Parliament proclaimed and enacted the first laws on ethnic and minority rights in the world. It gave minorities the freedom to use their mothertongue at local administration, at tribunals, in schools, in community life and even within the national guard of non-Magyar councils. However these laws were overturned after the united Russian and Austrian armies crushed the Hungarian Revolution. After the Kingdom of Hungary reached the Compromise with the Habsburg Dynasty in 1867, one of the first acts of its restored Parliament was to pass a Law on Nationalities (Act Number XLIV of1868).


The situation of minorities in Hungary were muchmore better than in contemporary pre WW1 Europe. Other highlymultiethnic /multinational countries were: France Russia and UK.


See the multi-national UK:

The situation of Scottish Irish Welsh people in "Britain" during the English hegemony is well known. They utmost forgot their original language,only English language cultural educational institutions existed. The only language was English in judiciary procedures and in offices and public administrations. It was not a real "United" Kingdom,it was rather a greater England.


See the multiethnicFrance:

In 1870, France was a similar-degree multi-ethnic state as Hungary, only 50% of the population of France spoke the French language as mothertongue. The other half of the population spoke Occitan, Catalan, Corsican, Alsatian, West Flemish, Lorraine Franconian, Gallo, Picard or Ch’timi and Arpitan etc... Many minority languages were closer to spanish or Italian language than French) French governments banned minority language schools ,minority language newspapers minority theaters. They banned the usage of minority languages in offices , public administration, and judiciary procedures. The ratio of french mothertongue increased from 50% to 91% during the 1870-1910 period!!!

The situation inGerman Empire was well known (Polish territories)

What aboutRussia?

Russian Empire was even more multiethnic state thanHungary (60% of the population was non-russian), without theexistence of minority rights. The forced russification is also wellknown


Just look the contemporary pre WW1-era Europe:
Magyarization was not so harsh as the contemporary western European situation, because the minorities were defended by minority rights and laws. Contemporary Western European legal systems did not know the minority rights, therefore they covered up their minorities.Just a short comparison between Hungary and pre-WW1 Western European states: 1.Were there state sponsored minority schools in Western European countries? NO. 2. How many official languages existed in Western-European states? Only 1 official language! 3. Could minorities use their languages in the offices of public administration in self-governments , in tribunals in Western Europe?No, they couldn't. 4. Did the minorities have own fractions and political parties in the western European parliaments ? No, no they hadn't. 5. What about newspapers of ethnic minorities in Western Europe? They did not exist in the West.... We can continue these things to the infinity.Under the dual-monarchy in Austria-Hungary, the Magyars were constantly
closing down the Slovak schools. By so doing, they deprived the Slovak
children from receiving education in their mother tongue.
Here are some examples:
1) In 1874, three Slovak special high schools (so called gymnasia) were
closed by Magyars on the ground that they were Pan-Slav Dens of evil
which would eventually destroy Magyar culture. All three were founded
from the donations of the Slovaks.
2) Also, in 1874, the most sublime of Slovak culture institutions,
Matica Slovenska, was closed down, on the charges that it was taking
part in political activity, and that it had managed its property
carelessly. Despite the fact that Matica's property belonged to the
Slovaks, Magyars confiscated its library, money, and all its museum
collections. When Polit, a Serbian Deputy protested to Tizsa (then the
Magyar prime minister) that Matica belonged to the Slovak people and not
Magyars, Tisza would reply: ' There is no Slovak nation'.
Work cited: Gilbert L. Oddo, Slovakia and Its People, Robert Speller &
Sons, Publishers, New York, 1960.

The Massacre of Slovaks In The Village of Cernova.

Cernova is a small village in Slovakia where in 1907, as many as 16
Slovaks were
shot to death, only because the village community wanted that their
church be consecrated by the Slovak priest Andrej Hlinka. However, the
Magyar bishop designated a Magyar priest to do so, which was rejected by
the village community. This horrible event was published in October 29,
(1907) article in one of the most prominent dailies in
the world 'The London Times'. The article reads: 'A sad occurrence is
reported from Hungary at Csernova, a suburb of the Slovak town of
Roszahegy, 11 Slovak peasants were yesterday shod dead, and 16, of whom
five have since died, severely wounded by the Hungarian gendarmes for
resisting an attempt to consecrate by force a new parish church against
the will of the inhabitants. The magistrate, without warning, ordered
the gendarmes toe use their weapons. Four volleys were fired at close
quarters, 11 peasants being killed outright, including two women and a
girl.' One of the woman, as reported in the book "Slovak-Magyar
Relations" by Marko, Martinicky was pregnant.
Does the above need any comments?


The Magyars used violence against the Slovaks through the entire 20 th
century. It should be noted that the Slovaks, during the course of 50
years, were occupied by the Magyars as many as five times. The
occupations occurred as follows: in 1919 by Bela Kun, in
1938-annexation of Southern Slovakia and in 1939-invasion of Eastern
Slovakia- both times by Mikolas Horthy, in 1944-during the so called
National Slovak Uprising, and finally, in 1968-during the invasion of
the former Czecho-Slovakia by the Warsaw Pact Armies. A substantial
evidence does exists that in March 1939 Horthy decided to invade and
take over the rest of Slovakia. Following is a telegram sent by Horthy
to Hitler, revealing Horthy's plan to overtake Slovakia:
"Your Excellency-my sincere thanks, I can hardly tell you how happy I am
because this (Danube) Head Water Region-I dislike using big words of
vital importance to the life of Hungary. In spite of the fact that our
recruits have only been serving five weeks, we are going into this
affair with eager enthusiasm. The dispositions have already been made.
On Thursday, the sixteenth of this month, a frontier incident will take
place which will be followed by the big blow on Saturday. I shall never
forget this proof of friendship, and Your Excellency may rely on my
unshakable gratitude at all times. Your devoted friend-Horthy."
Source: Gilbert L. Oddo, Slovakia an Its People, New York, 1960, page
248.


Kidnapping of Slovak children. A complete extermination of Slovaks?

In their attempts to denationalize the Slovaks, the Magyars didn't even
hesitate to use poor Slovak children to achieve this goal. Gilbert L.
Oddo
describes the painful episode of the kidnapping of the Slovak children
in his book (Slovakia and Its People) on page 145: '

"But the most hideous example to denationalize the Slovaks concerns the
forced removal of Slovak children from their families into pure Magyar
districts. It began in 1874 and took periodically for 18 years until the
Magyars could not longer ignore the violent outrage of protest. Only
then was this brutal program halted." Another source, a book called
Slovak-Magyar
Relations written by Augustin Marko and Pavol Martinicky, describes the
forced collections of the Slovak children as follows: "Among the
repressive measures was collection of orphans and children who were
forcibly separated from their Slovak parents and taken to the Lower Land
(present day Hungary) to be distributed among the wealthier farmers and
others to serve there and for the purposes of Magyarization. The number
of displaced children is estimated to 60,000'(Augustin Marko, Pavol
Martinicky, Slovak-Magyar Relations, history and present day in figures.
Slovak Society for Protection of Democracy and Humanity, Bratislava,
1995)


How inhuman the denationalizing process of the Slovaks by the Magyars
really was also proves the book of Bela Grunwald: Felvidek:Politikai
Tanulmany, in which he stays: 'To gain the Slovaks willingly, is
Impossible. There is only one way of getting rid of them-complete
extermination.' Furthermore, Bela Grunwald wrote following in the same
book: ' In upper Hungary (Slovakia) secondary schools are like machines
into which Slovak boys are loaded on one end to leave as Magyars on the
other end.' Even worse rhetoric, this time against Romanians, can be
found in the Hungarian National Prayer issued by the Magyar Freedom
Fighters and reprinted in 1983, by the Romanian publication Carpatii.
Following is the original: 'Dear fellow countrymen! What dearer ideal
could be for a Magyar by the end of this century but the struggle for
Magyar motherland? Let us not be dragged in the night of oblivion and
apathy, let us host the time when our motherland will be within its
sacred boundaries again. Let us ceaselessly get ready for that moment.
Let us utter like a prayer of encouragement, like an oath of faith,
Dusco Csaba's words:'I shall kill each Romanian crossing my way! I shall
exterminate one and all. Without mercy! At night, I shall set Romanian
villages on fire, I shall rip the whole population with my sword. I
shall poison the wells, I shall strangle the babies. I shall be
merciless. Towards all! I shall have no pity for children or pregnant
mothers either. Revenge! Without pity, dire revenge!
This is our ideal to fight. It is only by unity that we can emerge
victorious. We must bear Transylvania in our blood and never forget it
ever in our sleep. Let us stir confidence and hopes in Transylvania and
struggle. Like a good Magyar. Like a real Magyar. AMEN.




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[Karol Klačansky]

Im an asian mongol wanna be, I just have to deal with it

My own grandparents were beat in school if they spoke slovak. Hungarians most certainly werent treating their minorites correctly.

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[nevrikos]

doesn't surprise me

Stears looks very Nordic in his photos, he only misses the blond hair

[Rethel]

how ?

Test relatives with whom you have the oldest possible ancestor.
The more the better.

[Rethel]

Lajos Kossuth considered all citizens of the Hungarian Kingdom Hungarians (no matter their mother tongue)

So in this case did he also considered all of them to be Ugrofinians?

And werent he himself a Slovak?

================

But BEFORE nationalism arrised, it was of course true.
This is why today the proverb "Pole, Hungarin two brothers..."
applied not to Slovaks (as was originally) but to Magyars.

After 1867 everything stayed on head in Pannonia.

[Stears]

Under the dual-monarchy in Austria-Hungary, the Magyars were constantly
closing down the Slovak schools. By so doing, they deprived the Slovak
children from receiving education in their mother tongue.
Here are some examples:
1) In 1874, three Slovak special high schools (so called gymnasia) were
closed by Magyars on the ground that they were Pan-Slav Dens of evil
which would eventually destroy Magyar culture. All three were founded
from the donations of the Slovaks.
2) Also, in 1874, the most sublime of Slovak culture institutions,
Matica Slovenska, was closed down, on the charges that it was taking
part in political activity, and that it had managed its property
carelessly. Despite the fact that Matica's property belonged to the
Slovaks, Magyars confiscated its library, money, and all its museum
collections. When Polit, a Serbian Deputy protested to Tizsa (then the
Magyar prime minister) that Matica belonged to the Slovak people and not
Magyars, Tisza would reply: ' There is no Slovak nation'.
Work cited: Gilbert L. Oddo, Slovakia and Its People, Robert Speller &
Sons, Publishers, New York, 1960.

The Massacre of Slovaks In The Village of Cernova.

Cernova is a small village in Slovakia where in 1907, as many as 16
Slovaks were
shot to death, only because the village community wanted that their
church be consecrated by the Slovak priest Andrej Hlinka. However, the
Magyar bishop designated a Magyar priest to do so, which was rejected by
the village community. This horrible event was published in October 29,
(1907) article in one of the most prominent dailies in
the world 'The London Times'. The article reads: 'A sad occurrence is
reported from Hungary at Csernova, a suburb of the Slovak town of
Roszahegy, 11 Slovak peasants were yesterday shod dead, and 16, of whom
five have since died, severely wounded by the Hungarian gendarmes for
resisting an attempt to consecrate by force a new parish church against
the will of the inhabitants. The magistrate, without warning, ordered
the gendarmes toe use their weapons. Four volleys were fired at close
quarters, 11 peasants being killed outright, including two women and a
girl.' One of the woman, as reported in the book "Slovak-Magyar
Relations" by Marko, Martinicky was pregnant.
Does the above need any comments?


The Magyars used violence against the Slovaks through the entire 20 th
century. It should be noted that the Slovaks, during the course of 50
years, were occupied by the Magyars as many as five times. The
occupations occurred as follows: in 1919 by Bela Kun, in
1938-annexation of Southern Slovakia and in 1939-invasion of Eastern
Slovakia- both times by Mikolas Horthy, in 1944-during the so called
National Slovak Uprising, and finally, in 1968-during the invasion of
the former Czecho-Slovakia by the Warsaw Pact Armies. A substantial
evidence does exists that in March 1939 Horthy decided to invade and
take over the rest of Slovakia. Following is a telegram sent by Horthy
to Hitler, revealing Horthy's plan to overtake Slovakia:
"Your Excellency-my sincere thanks, I can hardly tell you how happy I am
because this (Danube) Head Water Region-I dislike using big words of
vital importance to the life of Hungary. In spite of the fact that our
recruits have only been serving five weeks, we are going into this
affair with eager enthusiasm. The dispositions have already been made.
On Thursday, the sixteenth of this month, a frontier incident will take
place which will be followed by the big blow on Saturday. I shall never
forget this proof of friendship, and Your Excellency may rely on my
unshakable gratitude at all times. Your devoted friend-Horthy."
Source: Gilbert L. Oddo, Slovakia an Its People, New York, 1960, page
248.


Kidnapping of Slovak children. A complete extermination of Slovaks?

In their attempts to denationalize the Slovaks, the Magyars didn't even
hesitate to use poor Slovak children to achieve this goal. Gilbert L.
Oddo
describes the painful episode of the kidnapping of the Slovak children
in his book (Slovakia and Its People) on page 145: '

"But the most hideous example to denationalize the Slovaks concerns the
forced removal of Slovak children from their families into pure Magyar
districts. It began in 1874 and took periodically for 18 years until the
Magyars could not longer ignore the violent outrage of protest. Only
then was this brutal program halted." Another source, a book called
Slovak-Magyar
Relations written by Augustin Marko and Pavol Martinicky, describes the
forced collections of the Slovak children as follows: "Among the
repressive measures was collection of orphans and children who were
forcibly separated from their Slovak parents and taken to the Lower Land
(present day Hungary) to be distributed among the wealthier farmers and
others to serve there and for the purposes of Magyarization. The number
of displaced children is estimated to 60,000'(Augustin Marko, Pavol
Martinicky, Slovak-Magyar Relations, history and present day in figures.
Slovak Society for Protection of Democracy and Humanity, Bratislava,
1995)


How inhuman the denationalizing process of the Slovaks by the Magyars
really was also proves the book of Bela Grunwald: Felvidek:Politikai
Tanulmany, in which he stays: 'To gain the Slovaks willingly, is
Impossible. There is only one way of getting rid of them-complete
extermination.' Furthermore, Bela Grunwald wrote following in the same
book: ' In upper Hungary (Slovakia) secondary schools are like machines
into which Slovak boys are loaded on one end to leave as Magyars on the
other end.' Even worse rhetoric, this time against Romanians, can be
found in the Hungarian National Prayer issued by the Magyar Freedom
Fighters and reprinted in 1983, by the Romanian publication Carpatii.
Following is the original: 'Dear fellow countrymen! What dearer ideal
could be for a Magyar by the end of this century but the struggle for
Magyar motherland? Let us not be dragged in the night of oblivion and
apathy, let us host the time when our motherland will be within its
sacred boundaries again. Let us ceaselessly get ready for that moment.
Let us utter like a prayer of encouragement, like an oath of faith,
Dusco Csaba's words:'I shall kill each Romanian crossing my way! I shall
exterminate one and all. Without mercy! At night, I shall set Romanian
villages on fire, I shall rip the whole population with my sword. I
shall poison the wells, I shall strangle the babies. I shall be
merciless. Towards all! I shall have no pity for children or pregnant
mothers either. Revenge! Without pity, dire revenge!
This is our ideal to fight. It is only by unity that we can emerge
victorious. We must bear Transylvania in our blood and never forget it
ever in our sleep. Let us stir confidence and hopes in Transylvania and
struggle. Like a good Magyar. Like a real Magyar. AMEN.




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Matica Slovenska was a paslavist racist national movement, maybe supported by Czarist Russia.
T was a hotbed of racism, constantly and openly attacked the Hungarian state in their schoolbooks.


Interestingly, the education institutions of Croats Romanians Russyns Serbs Italians had not experienced any of this "persecution", because they did not instigated against the Hungarian state.


Encyclopedia Britannica 1911.


"In 1902 there were in Hungary 18,729 elementary schools with 32,020 teachers, attended by 2,573,377 pupils, figures which compare favourably with those of 1877, when there were 15,486 schools with 20,717 teachers, attended by 1,559,636 pupils. In about 61% of these schools the language used was exclusively Magyar"[64] Approximately 600 Romanian villages were depleted of proper schooling due to the laws. As of 1917, 2,975 primary schools in Romania were closed as a result.[65] "


These minority schools did not exist in Western Europe, that is why Westerners covered up their minorities.


Černová massacre


some accounts report stone-throwing at a member of the gendarme escort.[2] In panic[8] the gendarme leader sergeant Ján Ladiczky,[8] an ethnic Slovak,[9] ordered his squad to open fire into the crowd without prior warning[2] killing 15 of the protesting villagers, seriously wounding 12 and lightly injuring 40.[10][3][11]
According to historian Roman Holec, the majority of the members of the Hungarian[12] gendarmes involved in the shooting were of Slovak origin.[8]


It was not in the top 10 violence in Hungary during the Dual Monarchy. 10Times More people died in Budapester worker class protests in the early 20th century. And even this more brutal Budapest macares were very light weight if you compere them with the number of victims of the American British and French protests.


Bela Kun and his government were non Hungarian and Christian origin, and it proved to be pro Slovak, rater than than pro-Hungarian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Soviet_Republic


Bela Kun sacrified Hungarian soldiers to create your Slovak Soviet republic, which caused the moral collapse of Hungarian army.


The kidnapped Slovak Childrens dark medieval tales are laughable cheap propaganda from the first CZ republic.


Was not the nazi Tiso who deported Jews to the nazi germany firstly in the World, despite Slovakia was not occupied that time by Germans?
What represented the Czechoslovak republic and Benes? Such a disriminative laws have never been created by any European government before nazi era. Czechslovakia represented ethnic cleanising of Germans and Hungarian forced deportations which were unknown in the region (except nazi Germany who transported the Jews) And Benes ethnic cleanising was after WW2, they never learned from the past.

[Bobby Martnen]

Interestingly, when Lajos Kossuth considered all citizens of the Hungarian Kingdom Hungarians (no matter their mother tongue), he was attack by slavic nationalist leaders.

Louis Kossuth was wrong about that. You're only a Hungarian if you are ethnically and linguistically Hungarian

[Stears]

Louis Kossuth was wrong about that. You're only a Hungarian if you are ethnically and linguistically Hungarian

Wrong. YOu confuse the political and ethnic identity. Kingdom of Hungary was multi ethnic country.

[Stears]

My own grandparents were beat in school if they spoke slovak. Hungarians most certainly werent treating their minorites correctly.

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You confused Hungary for 19th century France and England. Iterestingly the slovak language did not have fate of the Irish or the Occitan.....the bad evil Hungarians were unsucessful to destroy the slovak language..... :)))))

You should not bark, because slovakia has benes decress still effective. Slovaks do not know what a civilised modern country is.

[Stears]

doesn't surprise me

Stears looks very Nordic in his photos, he only misses the blond hair

Wrong. I have typical Hungarian look.

y haplogroup marker does not influence phenotype.

[Rethel]

Louis Kossuth was wrong about that.

No, you are wrong, as you do not understand the world before your birth.


You're only a Hungarian if you are ethnically and linguistically Hungarian

Aha... so when people learned hungrian they became Hungarians - if they didn;t, they weren't Hungarians living on Hungary?

[Stears]

So in this case did he also considered all of them to be Ugrofinians?

And werent he himself a Slovak?

================

But BEFORE nationalism arrised, it was of course true.
This is why today the proverb "Pole, Hungarin two brothers..."
applied not to Slovaks (as was originally) but to Magyars.

After 1867 everything stayed on head in Pannonia.

Kossuth wanted to create Hungarian political nation, similar like France. He did not care for the ethnic origin, since he was not ethnic Hungarian himself. So it was much more ''liberal'' state building model then the blood & soil German concept...

[Stears]

According to Kossuth Croatians Germans Slovaks etc were just foreign-speaking Hungarians who belong to the Hungarian political nation. Kossuth was civic/liberal nationalist, enemy of ethnic nationalism.

Ofcourse this anger the slavic nationalists, who were influenced by the narrow racialist German ethnic nationalism.

[Geni]

So so then Stear hat I1 nordic y-dna...I think you are happy with this man...congratulations...

[Karol Klačansky]

So in this case did he also considered all of them to be Ugrofinians?

And werent he himself a Slovak?

================

But BEFORE nationalism arrised, it was of course true.
This is why today the proverb "Pole, Hungarin two brothers..."
applied not to Slovaks (as was originally) but to Magyars.

After 1867 everything stayed on head in Pannonia.Yes he was a slovak and came from a noble family. When his uncle found out he was calling himself a hungarian and supporting hungarian nationalism he disowned him. His uncle was the biggest financial supporter of the slovak national movement.

In the past slovaks called themselves slavus ungaricus as well as slovak It was only till hungarians went insane amd started magyarizing that relations came bad. Its no coincidence that all of hungarys neigbors hate them. Poles relations was so good with hungarians probably because they dealt with slovaks.

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[Bobby Martnen]

Wrong. YOu confuse the political and ethnic identity. Kingdom of Hungary was multi ethnic country.

Political and ethnic identity shouldn't be separate.

If a dog is born in a stable, is that dog a horse?

[Bobby Martnen]

According to Kossuth Croatians Germans Slovaks etc were just foreign-speaking Hungarians who belong to the Hungarian political nation. Kossuth was civic/liberal nationalist, enemy of ethnic nationalism.

Ofcourse this anger the slavic nationalists, who were influenced by the narrow racialist German ethnic nationalism.

Civic nationalism is beyond stupid. One nation, one state.

[Stears]

Political and ethnic identity shouldn't be separate.

If a dog is born in a stable, is that dog a horse?

Are you idiot ?

It is not our problem slavic sheperd tribes were never able to create a state. What were we supposed to do, exterminate them ?

In Hungary non-Hungarians could become icons and reach highest positions, but it would never happen in the Czehoslovakia. You do not understand Hungarian history.

[Stears]

Civic nationalism is beyond stupid. One nation, one state.

Like France , where the minority languages were brutally eradicated ?

Interesting when the western Europeans attack Hungarians, when their own societies were much more intolerant than the Kingdom of Hungary.

[Stears]

blah blah blah

https://media1.tenor.com/images/f17c7e1774551db2173dc130b8744ffd/tenor.gif?itemid=5241264

[Bobby Martnen]

Like France , where the minority languages were brutally eradicated ?

Interesting when the western Europeans attack Hungarians, when their own societies were much more intolerant than the Kingdom of Hungary.

France should have given Alsace back to Germany, and set the Basques and Bretons free with independent states of their own.

People who are not ethnically Irish will never be real Irishmen, no matter how much they assimilate

[Karol Klačansky]

Are you idiot ?

It is not our problem slavic sheperd tribes were never able to create a state. What were we supposed to do, exterminate them ?

In Hungary non-Hungarians could become icons and reach highest positions, but it would never happen in the Czehoslovakia. You do not understand Hungarian history.

you could only go higher in Hungary if you claimed hungarian ethnicity and denied your own ethnicity.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Like France , where the minority languages were brutally eradicated ?

Interesting when the western Europeans attack Hungarians, when their own societies were much more intolerant than the Kingdom of Hungary.

Anglo nationalism is civic nationalism the French specialize in cultural nationalism hence why they have official policies such as banning Burqas but not berets. While in the USA Burqas are not banned.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

According to Kossuth Croatians Germans Slovaks etc were just foreign-speaking Hungarians who belong to the Hungarian political nation. Kossuth was civic/liberal nationalist, enemy of ethnic nationalism.

Ofcourse this anger the slavic nationalists, who were influenced by the narrow racialist German ethnic nationalism.

Slavic natinalism (Pan-Slavism) is actually older then German ethnic nationalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Slavism

Btw. it started in Croatia.

[Bobby Martnen]

Anglo nationalism is civic nationalism the French specialize in cultural nationalism hence why they have official policies such as banning Burqas but not berets. While in the USA Burqas are not banned.

I don't believe in civic nationalism. We need to adopt ethnonationalism to survive.

And Burkas should be banned here too, and hijabs too. This isn't Baghdad, we don't need mosques either.

[Rethel]

Political and ethnic identity shouldn't be separate.

So, does every ethnicity should have own state, and the US should vanished?


If a dog is born in a stable, is that dog a horse?

No, but it is exactly what TAtards belive.

You must also understand that pre-nationalistic states didn;t care about ethnicity at all,
as they themselves usually were not a product of any ethnic group, but of a king or country.
It wasn;t hungarian state in modern ethnic sense. It was more like clonial american states.
And through whole historyt, Hungary were rather IE state than UF, until 1867 (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?228252-The-Kingdom-of-Pannonia-was-actually-indoeuropean-until-1867). Even the
official name was not Hungary, but Panonnia. This is also a reason, why in the historical
literature are using two terms: magyars for tribe which came here and Hungarians for
people after 1000 living in the Kingdom. The second ones were not the first, and even
modern hungarian speaking people are in huge majority later magyarized people and local
Slavs. Magyars are a tiny percentage of it. This is why hungarian nationalism is the most
idiotic one, from the all idiotic nationalisms in Europe.

[Rethel]

It is not our problem slavic sheperd tribes were never able to create a state.

:picard2:

You need to go to the grammar school again.

[Bobby Martnen]

So, does every ethnicity should have own state, and the US should vanished?


The US has it's own ethnicity now - Colonial Anglo-Americans

[Rethel]

The US has it's own ethnicity now - Colonial Anglo-Americans

So, 90% should get out?

[Bobby Martnen]

So, 90% should get out?

Probably closer to 30-40% have some of this ancestry

[Rethel]

Probably closer to 30-40% have some of this ancestry

Nope.
Look at the mgrition numbers.
30-40% will have, if you take unto account, dogs born in stable - which I belive you condemn.

But anyway - 60% out?

[Bobby Martnen]

Nope.
Look at the mgrition numbers.
30-40% will have, if you take unto account, dogs born in stable - which I belive you condemn.

But anyway - 60% out?

Probably 30-40% with at least partial colonial ancestry, not fully colonial. Fully colonial is probably 5-15% at this point

I would definitely like to send all the nonassimilated ones and their descendants back

[Marmara]

Civic nationalism is beyond stupid. One nation, one state.

Why are you so edgy, kid?

[Rethel]

Probably 30-40% with at least partial

:picard2:

So now you are supporting, what you are aginst.
So, what sense does it have?
With such "ancestry" every one is colonial...


I would definitely like to send all the nonassimilated ones and their descendants back

But, as you are for ethnic states, then you should be a supporter of making america english again.
Other wise, you are not coherent. Double non coherent, if you want anybody to be colonial... :picard2:

[Rethel]

Civic nationalism is beyond stupid. One nation, one state.

Yes, it is stupid, the same as the "one nation one state" statement.

[Stears]

you could only go higher in Hungary if you claimed hungarian ethnicity and denied your own ethnicity.

Laughable. Ethnicity had not existed until the 19th century.

[Stears]

So, does every ethnicity should have own state, and the US should vanished?



No, but it is exactly what TAtards belive.

You must also understand that pre-nationalistic states didn;t care about ethnicity at all,
as they themselves usually were not a product of any ethnic group, but of a king or country.
It wasn;t hungarian state in modern ethnic sense. It was more like clonial american states.
And through whole historyt, Hungary were rather IE state than UF, until 1867 (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?228252-The-Kingdom-of-Pannonia-was-actually-indoeuropean-until-1867). Even the
official name was not Hungary, but Panonnia. This is also a reason, why in the historical
literature are using two terms: magyars for tribe which came here and Hungarians for
people after 1000 living in the Kingdom. The second ones were not the first, and even
modern hungarian speaking people are in huge majority later magyarized people and local
Slavs. Magyars are a tiny percentage of it. This is why hungarian nationalism is the most
idiotic one, from the all idiotic nationalisms in Europe.

The unhistorical stupidity of Rethel does not worth any comment...

[Rethel]

The unhistorical stupidity of Rethel does not worth any comment...

I see, that being nice to you is the worst stupidity indeed.
You are not worthy of any nicehood or help at all. For good
you are answering with bad, every time a man want to help
you or whatever. I am done with you.

[Stears]

I see, that being nice to you is the worst stupidity indeed.
You are not worthy of any nicehood or help at all. For good
you are answering with bad, every time a man want to help
you or whatever. I am done with you.

YOu are not nice, you hate Hungarians. Otherwise you wouldn't call us ''magyarzied slavs'' and other fantasies.

Real Poles do not hate Hungary like the German cuck Rethel.

[Stears]

Rethel's grandfather in action
http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/images/highres_30002211%20copy.jpg

:))))))

[Bobby Martnen]

Why are you so edgy, kid?

I'm not being edgy. I honestly believe it. The huge migrant influx into America and Europe over the last 60 years has been a major cultural tragedy.

And don't call me kid - I'm only 3 years younger than you.

[Bobby Martnen]

:picard2:

So now you are supporting, what you are aginst.
So, what sense does it have?
With such "ancestry" every one is colonial...



But, as you are for ethnic states, then you should be a supporter of making america english again.
Other wise, you are not coherent. Double non coherent, if you want anybody to be colonial... :picard2:

I'm against massive waves of immigration and multiculturalism, and trying to have one state contain part of two nation's homelands. (i.e. Belgium, or France owning Alsace)
I'm fine with low rates of immigration of people who are either highly educated or culturally similar.
Two thousand Serbs entering Germany every year is not a problem, a hundred thousand Turks per year are.

[Rethel]

I'm against massive waves of immigration and multiculturalism, and trying to have one state contain part of two nation's homelands. (i.e. Belgium, or France owning Alsace)
I'm fine with low rates of immigration of people who are either highly educated or culturally similar.
Two thousand Serbs entering Germany every year is not a problem, a hundred thousand Turks per year are.

So, multiethnic monoethnic anyway? :)

[Pahli]

Welcome to the IJ family nigga

[Bobby Martnen]

So, multiethnic monoethnic anyway? :)


???

[Rethel]

???

Are you for monoethnic state - so only people from that group are allowed, or are you for
a state where also other participate, as you couple of thousands Serbs example shows.

If you are about the second, then you are contradict the first. So hard to understand?

[Bobby Martnen]

Are you for monoethnic state - so only people from that group are allowed, or are you for
a state where also other participate, as you couple of thousands Serbs example shows.

If you are about the second, then you are contradict the first. So hard to understand?

I'm for something in between ethnic and cultural nationalism - the state should remain 90%+ the ethnicity, but I'm fine with letting native minorities (Jews and Gypsies in Europe) (Blacks in America) stay. And I'm fine with immigration in very low levels as long as admissions criteria are being highly educated or being culturally similar

[Rethel]

I'm for something in between ethnic and cultural nationalism - the state should remain 90%+ the ethnicity, but I'm fine with letting native minorities (Jews and Gypsies in Europe) (Blacks in America) stay. And I'm fine with immigration in very low levels as long as admissions criteria are being highly educated or being culturally similar

And what, when the foreigners will achieved 10%?
And if in addition, you will mix them with the rest,
they very easly can make a majority of population,
so originals will be in minority.
This is the case of the Finland for example.

[Bobby Martnen]

And what, when the foreigners will achieved 10%?
And if in addition, you will mix them with the rest,
they very easly can make a majority of population,
so originals will be in minority.
This is the case of the Finland for example.

If you keep them under 10%, they can't significantly influence the state.

Under 5% would be ideal, though

[Rethel]

If you keep them under 10%, they can't significantly influence the state.

Under 5% would be ideal, though

Yes, they can.

What will you do? Kick the surplus people from the country or force abortions? :picard2:
Will you bann marriages with locals, or what?

[Bobby Martnen]

Yes, they can.

What will you do? Kick the surplus people from the country or force abortions? :picard2:
Will you bann marriages with locals, or what?

Kick out 95% of those whose family came here after 1965 (America) or 1945 (Europe)

Marriages with locals are good if there's only a small percent, cause that's how they can be assimilated

[Rethel]

Kick out 95% of those whose family came here after 1965 (America) or 1945 (Europe)

Were we soeaking about some concrete entity? :shocked:


Marriages with locals are good if there's only a small percent, cause that's how they can be assimilated

So you are not for the ethnic state afterall.
Assimilations means, that you aproved different people than your group.

[Bobby Martnen]

Were we soeaking about some concrete entity? :shocked:



So you are not for the ethnic state afterall.
Assimilations means, that you aproved different people than your group.

I'm for the ethnic state, but I don't see a miniscule amount of foreign blood as a problem

[markleslienicknak]

So I made test to find out my subclade.

I-FGC9486





It means that, thanks to you, there may be a sliver of genetic evidence that despite my family changing their last name to Leslie just prior to WWI, their origins really were Austro-Hungarian as Lesnick's or Lesnak's. My subclade is undefined I-L813 according to FamilyTreeDNA.

Thank you, again. I've found no strong genetic matches in the FamilyTreeDNA, Geni, Gedmatch, or 23andme databases for any paternal relatives save those who are known relatives from those that immigrated back in 1893/1895.

[Stears]

It means that, thanks to you, there may be a sliver of genetic evidence that despite my family changing their last name to Leslie just prior to WWI, their origins really were Austro-Hungarian as Lesnick's or Lesnak's. My subclade is undefined I-L813 according to FamilyTreeDNA.

Thank you, again. I've found no strong genetic matches in the FamilyTreeDNA, Geni, Gedmatch, or 23andme databases for any paternal relatives save those who are known relatives from those that immigrated back in 1893/1895.

Hello! What is your ancestry ?

[markleslienicknak]

Hello! What is your ancestry ?

My paternal history, to which the y-DNA tests reference, is obscured by an early death in the family (train accident) and a mix of written records made when few members of the family read/wrote English fluently.

From what I gather, their records refer primarily to Czechoslovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, and Austria-Hungary. Beyond that, I've nothing more though there is an obscure reference to a city written as Grabusice, though that record is unconfirmed due the name issues.

Thanks for inquiring.

[Linebacker]

Confusion,I thought once you posted its R1b

[Karol Klačansky]

My paternal history, to which the y-DNA tests reference, is obscured by an early death in the family (train accident) and a mix of written records made when few members of the family read/wrote English fluently.

From what I gather, their records refer primarily to Czechoslovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, and Austria-Hungary. Beyond that, I've nothing more though there is an obscure reference to a city written as Grabusice, though that record is unconfirmed due the name issues.

Thanks for inquiring.Lesnak, lesník is a Slovak name. Les is forest, so someone from the woods, could also be ruthenian.

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[Jana]

Confusion,I thought once you posted its R1b

His father's American relatives are R1b, If I'm not mistaken. So he concluded he is R1b, before making proper test :o

[markleslienicknak]

Hello! What is your ancestry ?

You may be interested, if you haven't in posting to ysearch.org or geni.com. The test would also have to be compatible to their databases. I'm not sure why this didn't cross my mind before but probably because it didn't aid me so it's more of an afterthought. Still, it might please you if you're at all curious to find y-dna matches. On the other hand, since we're in the same region of the y-dna tree, it may not result in anything besides a shrug that you're painfully unique among those who have tested. It could, of course, surprise someone and result in some reconsideration of the classifications, too.

[Rethel]

His father's American relatives are R1b, If I'm not mistaken. So he concluded he is R1b, before making proper test :o

Some-Maternal... :picard2:

[Bobby Martnen]

What does it mean?

That we're distant cousins.

[Bobby Martnen]

ANT is an abbreviation for a place in Northern Ireland iirc

County Antrim.

[Bobby Martnen]

I am Magyar. autosomal DNA much more important.

Rethel wouldn't like that...