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Azkedelia
02-17-2009, 04:11 AM
The White Race: Going Gently Into That Good Night (http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=1563)


"Resisting mass immigration to Europe is not about 'white supremacy,' it is about our continued physical existence."

by Fjordman

Fjordman wrote this as a response to “Whites Need Not Apply? Job-Hunting While White” (http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=3292&cid=1&sid=104).

I usually don’t write about skin color, although I have done so sporadically in the past. However, the amount of hatred and racism against whites is now becoming so aggressive, palpable and indeed publicly accepted in much of the world that perhaps I should write another essay about it. Let me start briefly here.

It is noticeable how aggressive many Leftists have become against whites, parallel to Muslim immigration. I think the Leftist logic goes something like this: We failed to achieve our Socialist society during the Cold War. The “white,” Western culture blocked our goals. Since a Socialist society is good, those blocking it are evil, hence whites are evil and need to be subdued and destroyed, even if this includes our own sons, daughters and grandchildren. Utopia requires a Villain Class to be smashed and sacrificed. In the global, Multicultural Utopia, this appears to be whites in general.

I have heard Mexicans in the USA state that white Americans should “go home” to Europe. Of course, if they do go back to Europe, they will find that portions of Europe are increasingly unlivable for whites. We’re not supposed to have a “home.”

I’m sure the British are told that they are swamped by immigration because they used to be a colonial power. But mass immigration to countries such as Norway, Sweden or Switzerland proves that this is not related to past colonial history, since we don’t have any. It is related to one, and only one thing: We are born white. That makes us evil, hence destroying us and our heritage is a good thing. Dozens of nations across an entire continent are being deliberately destroyed and the natives stripped off their lands and culture. This represents perhaps the greatest crime of our age yet it is hardly talked about, and if it is, it is celebrated. 2008 is supposed to be a pan-European year for celebrating diversity, while the natives from Britain via Denmark to Germany, the Netherlands, France and Spain can hardly walk the streets in many of their major cities without being harassed.

The Danish writer Carsten Ringsmose was a speaker at a conference at the University of Odense on the immigration-related topic of “Recognition and integration.” He outlined the projected population growth for the Islamic world, and stated that if recent prognoses are correct, the Islamic world will witness a population growth more than the equivalent of all EU member countries combined within just a few decades. One of the other speakers suggested that this population boom could be solved through migration to the West, which would mean that Denmark, with a present population of 5.4 million inhabitants, would have to accept perhaps 9.5 million predominantly Muslim immigrants within the coming two generations. The man who suggested this, accompanied by segments of the audience, laughed when Mr. Ringsmose suggested that this simply wasn’t doable.

Following the release of a UN population report discussed by Mr. Ringsmose, Marie Simonsen, political editor of the Norwegian left-wing newspaper Dagbladet, wrote that it should be considered a universal human right for people everywhere to migrate wherever they want to. This will quickly swamp a tiny Scandinavian nation. She thus endorsed the persecution and eventual eradication of her own people, no doubt congratulating herself for her own tolerance.


http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=1563

Creeping Death
02-17-2009, 05:51 AM
There wont be many jobs for immigrants to fill soon, thats when payback begins. Hard times are always good times for whites as we get back a little bit of our society. Dont let to much talk of being swamped get you down, non whites dont possess the IQ to be a real threat.

Azkedelia
02-17-2009, 07:11 AM
Struggle is the father of all things. If you do not fight, life will never be won. Out of the increasing hedonism that followed the exhaust of the revolutionary political movements sprung the feeling that nothing can be done to make a difference. Cowardice and Socratic indifference have a corroding influence on our society.


UK Whites will be Minority by 2100

Special report: race issues in the UK
Anthony Browne
Sunday September 3, 2000
The Observer

Whites will be an ethnic minority in Britain by the end of the century. Analysis of official figures indicate that, at current fertility rates and levels of immigration, there will be more non-whites than whites by 2100. It would be the first time in history that a major indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority, rather than through war, famine or disease. Whites will be a minority in London by 2010.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/racism/Story/0,2763,363777,00.html

Demographics is destiny. Never in recorded history have prosperous and peaceful nations chosen to disappear from the face of the earth. Yet that is what the English people have chosen to do. When they allied themselves with the Poles, Russians and Jews against Germany it was treason, because Germany was defending the territorial imperative of Western civilization.

From a non-European point of view, the English people is now paying the price for economic imperialism, the plunder of many nations, and theft of resources they had been pursuing throughout the last millenium. Within a few hundred years, Indians and blacks will have inherited the UK completely. The Neanderthal tragedy is going to be repeated.

The chattering classes have nothing to say about the most unique and significant change in our times. Yet the great political and economic shifts of modern times are demographic in origin.

Who profits at the bottom of the line? The Jewish Rothschild family. Not only do the Rothschilds control the mining of South African gold, but they control also its price. In London, all gold bullion passes through the hands of three Jewish firms who govern the price of gold from day to day; these are N. M. Rothschild & Sons, Mocatta & Goldsmid, and Samuel Montagu & Co.

The parasite will survive at the expense of his host.

As Jewish feminist Susan Sontag, (originally named Susan Rosenblatt), stated: "The white race is the cancer of humanity." But what color is Susan Sontag? Is she black? Is she yellow? For though Susan Sontag is a White American, she and her Jewish cohorts see themselves as something other than being "white".

Why is this? Because she and her tribal members identify as "Jews" & not "whites". No, not even as "Americans," nor even of one blood with all mankind. The Jews really believe that the blood running in their veins is of a superior nature to the blood of the White American, the Asian, and the Black, all of whom, many Jews look down upon.

Ask the Jews themselves and the most honest ones will not deny that!

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=128

Loki
02-17-2009, 11:23 AM
Who profits at the bottom of the line? The Jewish Rothschild family. Not only do the Rothschilds control the mining of South African gold, but they control also its price. In London, all gold bullion passes through the hands of three Jewish firms who govern the price of gold from day to day; these are N. M. Rothschild & Sons, Mocatta & Goldsmid, and Samuel Montagu & Co.


Uhmm ... I don't think this is true. Do you have any proof (aside from some wacko websites)? The price of gold is not determined like that.

Again Jews, Jews, Jews ... is this all you are going to post about on Apricity? What is your real agenda here?

Heimmacht
02-17-2009, 11:34 AM
Again Jews, Jews, Jews ... is this all you are going to post about on Apricity? What is your real agenda here?

You wośld think that 'proud' whites would rather discuss their own people instead of some desert-folk. That counts even more so on a 'European Preservation forum'. But this might be my own personal view :rolleyes: .

Azkedelia
02-17-2009, 12:15 PM
You wośld think that 'proud' whites would rather discuss their own people instead of some desert-folk. That counts even more so on a 'European Preservation forum'. But this might be my own personal view :rolleyes: .
60% of Jews reside in America, 20% in Israel, and the remaining 20% reside mostly in Europe.

Loki
02-17-2009, 12:19 PM
60% of Jews reside in America, 20% in Israel, and the remaining 20% reside mostly in Europe.

Not true, it's about 41%. The US has 5.2m Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews), compared to the 5.4m of Israel. Total world Jewish population 13.2m. Where do you get your statistics from?

SuuT
02-17-2009, 12:24 PM
You know, Azkedelia, I really gave a huge benefit of the doubt to you initially; going so far as to imply to Loki that he might be jumping the gun. But really, at this point you have made little attempt to have us want to hear you. If you would be so kind, would you please stop the cutting-and-pasting, return to your introduction thread, and make a proper entry?


Sweden is not nearly so over-run with Jews, blacks or Muslims; so one must wonder at your *apparent* pre-occupation (in so far as our primary concerns are generally derived from what we see out our respective windows).


I actually think you make some profound statements on a subject that ought not be hushed. But, your going about it the wrong way. I am also justified, at this juncture, wondering whether or not they are, indeed, your own thoughts.

Azkedelia
02-17-2009, 12:36 PM
It's about evidence, not who wrote it.


Not true, it's about 41%. The US has 5.2m Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews), compared to the 5.4m of Israel. Total world Jewish population 13.2m. Where do you get your statistics from?

Jewish dissidents are the ultimate reference in this department.

Former chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer:
"They say there's only 6 million Jews in the US but I know its more like 25-30 million. Well, I've researched and studied it."

Ęmeric
02-17-2009, 01:14 PM
It's about evidence, not who wrote it.



Jewish dissidents are the ultimate reference in this department.

Former chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer:
"They say there's only 6 million Jews in the US but I know its more like 25-30 million. Well, I've researched and studied it."

There are not 25-30 million Jews in the US, though many persons assumed that based on the number of Jews in politics & their preeminence in other important aspects of American Life. Jews are mainly concentrated in Greater New York, South Florida, Los Angeles & the larger metro areas such as Detriot, Chicago etc.... However their influence is felt nationwide. In most parts of the US you wouldn't incounter a Jew unless you visit a medical or law office, a bank (and I haven't ran into a Jew banker in these parts, they prefer large cities) or a college campus - practically all College faculties are overran by Jews, especially the administration, excepting the smaller Chrisitian colleges.



You wośld think that 'proud' whites would rather discuss their own people instead of some desert-folk.

I wouldn't call people domicile in Manhattan, Palm Beach or Beverly Hills residents "desert folk" ;). Though many of those living in the Beverly Hills-Santa Monica-Malibu triangle are directly from Israel.

Regardless of what Azkedelia real intentions are, Americans do have good cause to bitch about Jewish influence in America.

Loki
02-17-2009, 01:19 PM
Regardless of what Azkedelia real intentions are, Americans do have good cause to bitch about Jewish influence in America.

Absolutely correct, I never disputed this. I for one despise their influence and stranglehold over finance, especially in the US. Greenspan, Bernanke ... both are Jews, the Federal Reserve seems to have to be run by one. :mad:

My point is that if all everyone can post about is Jews, then something is wrong. If only about 10% of your posts are about Jews, you would make a more convincing troll.

Galloglaich
02-17-2009, 01:22 PM
While I fear that our people have definitely entered a dangerous phase, indeed threatening our very existence (nearly "auto-genocidal" as the article phrased it), I think it is important to soberly face the facts without succumbing to despondency. Most of our problems are somewhat self-inflicted and thus will be self-correctable. We really need to take stock of our communities and lose this apocryphal "white guilt" that dictates so many modern social and political agendas (preaching to the choir here, I know). I do have faith that when really hard pressed, we will do what is necessary to ensure our preservation. One of my biggest hopes is that we will do this before the situation becomes so dire that extremist rhetoric and philosophy are perceived as the only means to do so. We will only injure ourselves in the long run if that becomes the favored option. Using others as scapegoats (even if they are a part of the problem) needlessly empowers their role in the process and fails to address our own weaknesses. Make no mistake, we will take our societies back, I just hope I will actually want to live in them after it's over.

Heimmacht
02-17-2009, 02:36 PM
60% of Jews reside in America, 20% in Israel, and the remaining 20% reside mostly in Europe.

Yes, and while we spend our time only talking about them we would forget our OWN goal, and in case you didn't notice that is to excist and to regain the old values and Volk-bonding that we once had.

I think you should concentrate more on your own folk, jews do the same thing thats why they aren't falling apart as a people, shame on every white person who doesnt do the same for its own folk!

Heimmacht
02-17-2009, 02:43 PM
I actually think you make some profound statements on a subject that ought not be hushed. But, your going about it the wrong way. I am also justified, at this juncture, wondering whether or not they are, indeed, your own thoughts.


And you should keep in mind Azkedelia, that we are also a SOCIAL forum. We tend to bond, thats what makes us 'whites' closer and stay strong.

But apparently you dont give a sh*t about bonding, you just dig up some article post it and dont even elevate about why it concerns you so much... You dont make friends like that on a long shot.

Gooding
02-17-2009, 02:43 PM
Most certainly we can and will take our societies back.The only problem with that is that we've (wittingly and/or unwittingly)made it so easy for outsiders such as Hispanics,Jews,blacks,etc., to get ahead and to acquire things,especially by invoking a despicable psychological ruse such as white guilt, that they will gleefully fight us to keep the power that they've been given and to grab more of it.Meanwhile, they'll involve other nations in our business and we may find ourselves overwhelmed and with little outside support.Even now, even now, all we can do is express our discontent privately because to do so publicly would lead to ostracism.We can reproduce, we can vote,we can teach our children, but that's it.I wish I had a more effective solution to offer, but I don't.Mass deportations?How do we say that that's an open invitation to be occupied by UN peacekeeping forces?

Heimmacht
02-17-2009, 03:02 PM
Most certainly we can and will take our societies back.The only problem with that is that we've (wittingly and/or unwittingly)made it so easy for outsiders such as Hispanics,Jews,blacks,etc., to get ahead and to acquire things,especially by invoking a despicable psychological ruse such as white guilt, that they will gleefully fight us to keep the power that they've been given and to grab more of it.Meanwhile, they'll involve other nations in our business and we may find ourselves overwhelmed and with little outside support.Even now, even now, all we can do is express our discontent privately because to do so publicly would lead to ostracism.We can reproduce, we can vote,we can teach our children, but that's it.I wish I had a more effective solution to offer, but I don't.Mass deportations?How do we say that that's an open invitation to be occupied by UN peacekeeping forces?


:p

Lenny
02-17-2009, 03:05 PM
Sweden is not nearly so over-run with Jews, blacks or Muslimshttp://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9751/swedesminority2050wd5.jpg

Row 1: Non-Swedes
Row 2: Swedes
Row 3: Share of non-Swedes

Lenny
02-17-2009, 03:14 PM
About the original article: It was written in 2007. Does anyone know if "Fjordman" has kept up the pace with racial commentary?

I remember from 2004 or so when he first came on the scene, he didn't make a peep about race, only about the Muslim Problem.

Loki
02-17-2009, 03:17 PM
About the original article: It was written in 2007. Does anyone know if "Fjordman" has kept up the pace with racial commentary?

I remember from 2004 or so when he first came on the scene, he didn't make a peep about race, only about the Muslim Problem.

Fjordman tried to remain a little politically correct in order to reach a wider audience, but the Israelophile neocons disliked his pro-European stance. Hence of late he has broken with that alliance of convenience, and has become more direct in his support for a racial preservation of Europe.

Vulpix
02-17-2009, 03:28 PM
About the original article: It was written in 2007. Does anyone know if "Fjordman" has kept up the pace with racial commentary?

I remember from 2004 or so when he first came on the scene, he didn't make a peep about race, only about the Muslim Problem.

I think he firstly became aware of the Islam threat, and only at a later stage he became enlightened on the racial issues.

Of course the neocons soon slapped on him the R-label after his writings started to reflect his racial-awareness stance :coffee:. (I remember at a famous neo-con blog members reacting like this to Fjordman's stance: A white Europe? The horror, any non-white that wants to become European should, just like any immigrants to America can become Americans if they want to integrate :crazy::speechless-smiley-0...)

Lenny
02-17-2009, 04:23 PM
I think he firstly became aware of the Islam threat, and only at a later stage he became enlightened on the racial issues.

Of course the neocons soon slapped on him the R-label after his writings started to reflect his racial-awareness stance :coffee:. (I remember at a famous neo-con blog members reacting like this to Fjordman's stance: A white Europe? The horror, any non-white that wants to become European should, just like any immigrants to America can become Americans if they want to integrate :crazy::speechless-smiley-0...)
Fjordman tried to remain a little politically correct in order to reach a wider audience, but the Israelophile neocons disliked his pro-European stance. Hence of late he has broken with that alliance of convenience, and has become more direct in his support for a racial preservation of Europe.
Hmm... Now that I think about it I am vaguely aware of an American far-left website called Little Green Footballs (which claims itself to be anti-Islamic and 'conservative') having had a long feud with "racists" and banned many people for that horrible, horrible crime:rolleyes:. Possibly including Fjordman. Or at least they somehow twisted reality and used him as "proof" of some kind of "neo-Nazi infiltration" of the anti-Islamic movement. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: :rotfl


eidt: I have found what appears to be Fjordman's full archive of writings from various websites:
http://chromatism.net/fjordman/fjordmanfiles.htm. It seems he had a spurt of writing about racial matters during the "LittleGreenFootballs" controversy, and has withdrawn from that but still writes one out of ten or so of his articles directly about racial issues, and it's implied in most of the rest.

Freomęg
02-17-2009, 04:45 PM
Who profits at the bottom of the line? The Jewish Rothschild family. Not only do the Rothschilds control the mining of South African gold, but they control also its price. In London, all gold bullion passes through the hands of three Jewish firms who govern the price of gold from day to day; these are N. M. Rothschild & Sons, Mocatta & Goldsmid, and Samuel Montagu & Co.
Very little happens in the world free from the influence of a few ultra-elite families - the Rothschilds being among them. But it's not a "Jewish" thing. Look at how many of their own kind they're using in the Gaza conflict. There's no universal Jewish conspiracy - just astronomically-greedy elites abusing the other 99.9% of the world.

SuuT
02-17-2009, 07:42 PM
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9751/swedesminority2050wd5.jpg

Row 1: Non-Swedes
Row 2: Swedes
Row 3: Share of non-Swedes


LOL. 'Your' translations of these semi-paranoid projections are at least interesting.

Now compare them with actual, and extant, realities of other western nations.

The point remains. Why a swede is so pre-occupied with jews, muslims, and blacks is strange. And her entry rude.

Groenewolf
02-17-2009, 07:53 PM
Hmm... Now that I think about it I am vaguely aware of an American far-left website called Little Green Footballs (which claims itself to be anti-Islamic and 'conservative') having had a long feud with "racists" and banned many people for that horrible, horrible crime:rolleyes:. Possibly including Fjordman. Or at least they somehow twisted reality and used him as "proof" of some kind of "neo-Nazi infiltration" of the anti-Islamic movement. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: :rotfl

Reminds me of when I was still activaly posting on anti-Islam forums. When that thing came about. Alto I think it started with VlaamsBelang and latter went over to Fjordman. But I was practicaly standing alone in defending VB from the LGF and the like charges, both by refuting and nuanching the accusations. But I could just as well try to reason a wall out of the way like he responded.

Lenny
02-17-2009, 08:25 PM
LOL. 'Your' translations of these semi-paranoid projections are at least interesting.
In what way are the translations wrong?


Why a swede is so pre-occupied with jews, muslims, and blacks is strange. And her entry rude.
I don't understand, it is wrong to be "preoccupied" with nonwhite groups in Sweden? Is Sweden not second only to France in non-European immigrant share of population?

The Lawspeaker
02-17-2009, 08:39 PM
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9751/swedesminority2050wd5.jpg

Row 1: Non-Swedes
Row 2: Swedes
Row 3: Share of non-Swedes

Your translation is very rough but in essence correct.
Since I am learning a bit of Norwegian (related to Swedish) and I am a native Dutch speaker (also slightly related) I would like to make an attempt to come up with a more akkurat (Norwegian) translation:

1) Immigrant population of Sweden
2) Population without an immigrant background (litt. translated. And my god what a racist way of putting it)
3) Share of the immigrant population in Sweden.



LOL. 'Your' translations of these semi-paranoid projections are at least interesting.

Indeed.. those are just projetections but in reality the numbers will be much more sobering (in a negative way).

Ęmeric
02-17-2009, 09:42 PM
@Suut: If 40-years ago someone had claimed that America would be at least 15% Hispanic (and the typical American would be scratching their heads wonder what a Hispanic was) & the Euro-American population was down to 66% & falling they would have been called paranoid. Why should anyone had been concerned about being overran by Mexicans, Salvadorans & Guatamalans in 1965. These kinds of arguments were ridiculed during the debate leading to the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965) Senator Teddy Kennedy (now currently wasting away from brain cancer, no sympathy coming from my way, I hope the s.o.b suffers) promised;


""First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same.... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset.... Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia.... In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think.... The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs."

But see how it how worked out. A few years ago America was projected to have a minority-majority shorty after the mid-century mark, now it is projected to be somewhere around 2034. The people of Sweden should be very worried about those statistics showing ethnic Swedes becoming a minority in their own country at midcentury.

Brynhild
02-18-2009, 04:18 AM
This sums up my sentiments, along with some others:


http://www.colinjones.co.uk/images/troll.jpg

SwordoftheVistula
02-18-2009, 04:46 AM
Very little happens in the world free from the influence of a few ultra-elite families - the Rothschilds being among them. But it's not a "Jewish" thing. Look at how many of their own kind they're using in the Gaza conflict. There's no universal Jewish conspiracy - just astronomically-greedy elites abusing the other 99.9% of the world.

It most certainly is a jewish thing-that's why the same media which condemns 'ethnocentrism' in the west condones it in Israel

SuuT
02-18-2009, 11:44 AM
In what way are the translations wrong?

Well, not "wrong", per se. But interesting in so far as you've posted a projected demographics chart that (unless I've missed something: please tell me if I have) fails to define "immigrant" at all; let alone providing sifted numbers to exclude everyone other than jews, blacks and Muslims. Ergo, while it immediately looks quite startling (and again, unless I've missed something), this chart is not exclusionary to Norwegians, Dutch, Danes, Germans or any other racially and culturally acceptable people of European descent. What is the source of the chart?



I don't understand, it is wrong to be "preoccupied" with nonwhite groups in Sweden?

Not at all! - however, this is a Red Herring, as the point was, is and remains that why a swede is so pre-occupied with jews, muslims, and blacks is strange. And her entry rude.

There is no doubt that she has a great brain in her head. I would just like her to introduce herself properly. I want to get to know her a bit before I read post after post after post of the victimisation of white people and white nations (is there no one else that finds this very notion offensive!?!?!?). There is so much about Evropa to discuss; but if you do a search for all of her posts, she has made a one dimensional entry into a forum that, to paraphrase Aemma, has asserted an ambit of creativity as opposed to de fault reactionism.


Is Sweden not second only to France in non-European immigrant share of population?

Once you adjust for total population, I think Switzerland still tops that list with a 20% increase per annum. But I'll have to check.


@Suut: If 40-years ago someone had claimed that America would be at least 15% Hispanic (and the typical American would be scratching their heads wonder what a Hispanic was) & the Euro-American population was down to 66% & falling they would have been called paranoid. Why should anyone had been concerned about being overran by Mexicans, Salvadorans & Guatamalans in 1965. These kinds of arguments were ridiculed during the debate leading to the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965) Senator Teddy Kennedy (now currently wasting away from brain cancer, no sympathy coming from my way, I hope the s.o.b suffers) promised;


""First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same.... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset.... Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia.... In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think.... The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs."

But see how it how worked out. A few years ago America was projected to have a minority-majority shorty after the mid-century mark, now it is projected to be somewhere around 2034. The people of Sweden should be very worried about those statistics showing ethnic Swedes becoming a minority in their own country at midcentury.


I get it, man. But Sweden is not America. Psychologically, is somewhre in the middle-ground between the U.S. and France (which can be considered as polar extremes in so far as their respective governments fear of the constituency).

I guess I (perhaps more naively[?]) simply have more faith in the Blood of our peoples; and as a result - at least as far as Scandinavia/Europe are concerened - tend to furl my brow at ambiguous demographic projections. Moreover, as Loki has put it, (to paraphrase), Jews (in particular) are not some all-controlling, super-human entity with the capacity to route us at every turn.:rolleyes:

Do they rule by proxy? - Yes. However, I have seen a lacklustre (to say the least) acknowledgement of this, espcecially in the states.

In fact, I tend to be of the opinion that we are (either consciously or unconsciously) testing ourselves. In short: 'how much are we able to take, from without, and still - in the end - conquer?'



America? - yes, a lost cause....(perhaps). Scandinavia/Europe?

I'll believe it when I see it.

Lenny
02-18-2009, 07:56 PM
Well, not "wrong", per se. But interesting in so far as you've posted a projected demographics chart that (unless I've missed something: please tell me if I have) fails to define "immigrant" at all; let alone providing sifted numbers to exclude everyone other than jews, blacks and Muslims. Ergo, while it immediately looks quite startling (and again, unless I've missed something), this chart is not exclusionary to Norwegians, Dutch, Danes, Germans or any other racially and culturally acceptable people of European descent. What is the source of the chart?That is a valid point, but since all racially-European people now have negative population growth, it seems impossible that any of that growth would be from germanic migrants. More fundamentally: say you're right and this is way overstated. Is it somehow better if Sweden becomes majority non-European in 2150 than 2050? Either way, it's the end (of the basic Swedish racial stock as it has existed for thousands of years). Continued immigration will eventually do it.

The source of the chart is the Norwegian statistical agency, SSB.no; They of course do multiple predictions and that data is the "High Migration" scenario ('H scenario'). If the track-record of the U.S. Census Bureau is anything to go by, the upper-bound estimate is the one that turns out to be right.


Once you adjust for total population, I think Switzerland still tops that list with a 20% increase per annum. But I'll have to check.Well when one speaks of non-European foreigners, France definitely takes the prize. I think most foreigners in Swiss are E.U. people working there.


America? - yes, a lost cause....(perhaps). Scandinavia/Europe?

I'll believe it when I see it.If they don't stop immigration, they will follow the same path as the USA; and not too far behind.

BTW- One interesting thing to speculate about is what would happen if one or more European countries actually did go down the national-salvation path: end immigration, start repatriation, maybe even institute a jus-sanguinis citizenship law based on genetic tests. The most likely course of events is what we saw in the 1990s in the Balkans, especially Kosovo. ("Kosovars" were mostly post-1945 immigrants from Albania of course).

To bring this full circle back to Fjordman: How would the USA react to European attempt at self-salvation? (http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/01/den-neuen-lebensraum.html)

by Fjordman
I’ve asked this question before: Suppose the natives in some Western European countries actually start to seriously resisting the organized destruction of their countries, halt mass immigration and reverse Multiculturalism. How will American authorities and media react to this?

Frankly, I wouldn’t be too surprised if they turn out to be actively hostile to native Europeans. That was the case with Clinton and with Bush. It will be even worse with Obama, an anti-white Marxist.

We should reach out to American individuals. They are victims of the same Multiculturalist war against European civilization as we are. But we should expect no sympathy from the American media and political elites. They are a hostile entity just as much as the EU elites are.

SwordoftheVistula
02-19-2009, 04:52 AM
BTW- One interesting thing to speculate about is what would happen if one or more European countries actually did go down the national-salvation path: end immigration, start repatriation, maybe even institute a jus-sanguinis citizenship law based on genetic tests. The most likely course of events is what we saw in the 1990s in the Balkans, especially Kosovo. ("Kosovars" were mostly post-1945 immigrants from Albania of course).

To bring this full circle back to Fjordman: How would the USA react to European attempt at self-salvation? (http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/01/den-neuen-lebensraum.html)

Most likely, nothing at all, other than some perfunctory noise from the state department. It would barely be noticed amongst most of the population. The war against Serbia was only possible because nobody had ever heard of the place before, except for a vague notion that it was in the 'communist area' of Europe. A war against a western European country, even a small one like the Netherlands, would not be possible because many Americans have been tourists there, or at least have a general positive impression of the place. When George Haider and the Freedom Party was part of the government in Austria, there was no response from the US other than some nazi jokes from the late night talk shows, while the EU placed sanctions on them and tried to get rid of that particular government.