German ydna map from Ftdna Germany project

[Dick]

https://i.imgur.com/w8k0XTj.jpg

[Bosniensis]

So there are some of our I2 people in Germany after all... goood...

They are fake Germans Powered by Paleolithic Balkan I-M170 xD

[Peterski]

https://i.imgur.com/w8k0XTj.jpg

R1a Stronk in the Kingdom of Prussia!: http://historum.com/european-history/67015-did-other-germans-see-prussians-germanized-slavs.html

"I can still vividly remember the day one of my schoolmates told me: 'We Rhinelanders are the true Germans. The Prussians are Slavs, Obotrites, Wends and the like who put together their state by theft and violence.'"

- Konrad Adenauer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_6AQA4uzD0

[Peterski]

From Historum.com:


I have also read that Austrians regarded Prussians as Poles who hid their heritage by Germanizing their names.

From Starowolski's "Polonia" (published in 1632):

http://historum.com/european-history/67015-did-other-germans-see-prussians-germanized-slavs-10.html#post2640645

https://s4.postimg.org/z535ue6zh/p0099.png

[Hulu]

Hmmm

http://www.maps-of-germany.co.uk/images/map-of-east-west-Germany.gif

[Hulu]

What about Austria?

[Peterski]

Albrech Hohenzollern's mother was Polish, and he regarded himself as a Pole (highlighted with red):

http://s27.postimg.org/m4mc6txo3/Preussen1.png

http://s11.postimg.org/5xe1gkgtv/Preussen1a.png

http://s10.postimg.org/z5n6k64c9/Preussen2.png

http://s11.postimg.org/45gh7x837/Preussen2a.png

http://s15.postimg.org/mtt3pug6z/Preussen3.png

http://s27.postimg.org/tlmcuk8fn/Preussen3a.png

http://s15.postimg.org/opfw10517/Preussen4.png
http://s27.postimg.org/ljy4cnpo3/Preussen4a.png

It is from "Prusy Książęce a Prusy Królewskie 1525 - 1548. Studium z dziejów polskiej polityki księcia Albrechta Hohenzollerna" ("Ducal Prussia & Royal Prussia in years 1525 - 1548. Study on history of Polish policy of prince A. Hohenzollern").

[Dick]

What about Austria?

This only R1a though


https://s18.postimg.io/j18vnds87/R1a_Germany_Austria.png

[Peterski]

This is what I found in FTDNA Projects (not just the German Project, but I checked also a few other project):

https://s31.postimg.org/48yqwf7uj/Silesia_East_Prussia.png

As for Austria and present-day Germany:

http://oi68.tinypic.com/6enpso.jpg

[kingjohn]

there is e-v13 in south germany

[Kriptc06]

there is e-v13 in south germany

ya, I noticed that too

[Rethel]

Prusax - Poles on denial...

Ergo: prussian partition was a fiction. :)

[DeutscheAfrikaner]

Is my Y-DNA most likely R1b if my great great grandfather 15 generations ago on my fathers side was born in Augsburg, Schwabe at the time, now Bavaria in 1530? I still need to get a DNA test done.

[spik]

So there are some of our I2 people in Germany after all... goood...

They are fake Germans Powered by Paleolithic Balkan I-M170 xD

They probably have their own subclade of I2.

[Bosniensis]

They probably have their own subclade of I2.

Who cares they are still closer to us than other Haplogroups

Cheers


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[Art23]

I "like" how the first map is showing Nazi Germany, not the modern Federal Republic.
Anyway, R1b is the most typical for Germans, that's clear.

[Peterski]

I "like" how the first map is showing Nazi Germany, not the modern Federal Republic.

That is not Nazi Germany but pre-WW1 German Empire.

[Pahli]

Kek J1 exists

[Peterski]

Prusax - Poles on denial...

Ergo: prussian partition was a fiction. :)

Kongresówka - bose Antki. :)

[Art23]

That is not Nazi Germany but pre-WW1 German Empire.

Okay. Very similar to Germany 1939. A very nationalist map. As if haplogroups were tested in the German Empire!

[Peterski]

Okay.

However, what sense does it make if no Haplogroup tests were done in pre-WW1 German Empire ? Useless.

What do you mean? The map shows birthplaces of most distant ancestors.

For example it shows where was your father's father's father's father born.

[Peterski]

As if haplogroups were tested in the German Empire!

They weren't, but most people today know where did "their haplogroup" live in 1914.

For example I know.

[Art23]

What do you mean? The map shows birthplaces of most distant ancestors.


Great. The question is why it shows the borders of the German Empire and what it politically implies by this.

[Peterski]

Great. The question is why it shows the borders of the German Empire and what it politically implies by this.

Judging by the red area - it implies that Polish-German border should be at the Elbe, not Oder. :)

[Rethel]

Judging by the red area - it implies that Polish-German border should be at the Elbe, not Oder. :)

https://m.ocdn.eu/_m/ea75493534441120509f0df44b2a3522,62,37.jpg

[Peterski]

Check also this thread:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?230011-R1a-in-Germany-(regional-frequencies)&p=4843183&viewfull=1#post4843183

[Bobby Martnen]

Okay. Very similar to Germany 1939. A very nationalist map. As if haplogroups were tested in the German Empire!

Pre-1945 borders are a better reflection of historical settlement patterns than modern borders, which were created at a whim by Stalin for no real reason.

[Bobby Martnen]

Great. The question is why it shows the borders of the German Empire and what it politically implies by this.

:picard2:

[Aren]

Peterski do you have regional YDNA for Germany? Like this one you posted for Lower Saxony a couple years ago.

https://i.imgur.com/yVTAqBi.jpg