Gencove Ancestry Results Update

[Mortimer]

I received email, and there is a update. The regions of Europe are more concrete instead of southwestern europe I get now Northern Italy. Check yours.

https://s18.postimg.org/tff4mvj7d/Gencoveupdatedancestryresults.jpg

[kingjohn]

thanks morti :thumb001:
my indian moved to central asia {maybe i match the kalash }
and now i am 14% northcentral italian
71597

[Bosniensis]

Mine was: 73% Eastern Mediterranean, 27% North-East Europe

Now is: 78% Eastern Mediterranean, 22% North-East Europe

[TEUTORIGOS]

....

[TEUTORIGOS]

Old one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/genocove_zps5159wqvf.png


New One

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/gencove_zpsltkanbxg.jpg

[TEUTORIGOS]

This is definitely an improvement :

57% Northern and Central Europe : Reference populations: British, Irish, German.

25% Northern British Isles : Reference populations: British, Orcadian, Scottish.

17% Scandinavia : Reference population: Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish.

1% Finnish : Reference population: Finnish.

[oszkar07]

North East Europe 43 %
Northern and Central Europe 28%
Northern Italy 9%
East Mediteranean 8%
SouthWest Europe 7%
Northern British Isles 5%


https://i.imgur.com/YRd6XuX.jpg

[Kamal900]

https://image.ibb.co/nfBfmm/Capture.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8c5wmeOL9o

[Gangrel]

https://i.imgur.com/HvNyFdn.png

[Kriptc06]

34% Southwestern Europe
17% Northern and Central Europe
13% Eastern Mediterranean
12% Americas
9% Northeast Europe
8% Northern Africa
7% Western Africa

[kingjohn]

34% Southwestern Europe
17% Northern and Central Europe
13% Eastern Mediterranean
12% Americas
9% Northeast Europe
8% Northern Africa
7% Western Africa

the northeast europe+ east med is your moldovian ancestery :clap2:

[Kriptc06]

the northeast europe+ east med is your moldovian ancestery :clap2:

:)))))))))))) yes

[Sp_loa]

45% Eastern Mediterranean (probably my greek and southern Italian ancestry)
20% Northern Italy
19% Middle East (Levant :) )
16% Northern Africa (My Berber ancestry)

So I guess 65% Europe, 35% Non-Europe. It's kind of consistent with the rest of my DNA tests and my PCA plots where I score right between Sicilians and greeks (Sicilians are 60-70% European too so it makes sense I'll plot right near them). Anyway it is better now as I don't score any Ashkenazi and Caucasus... they were a bit off.


https://profile.fcdn.co.il/images/0__05a5cabba8c87d.jpg

[Hadouken]

bullshit central asia stuff

http://up.picr.de/31534766ir.jpg

[kingjohn]

45% Eastern Mediterranean (probably my greek and southern Italian ancestry)
20% Northern Italy
19% Middle East (Levant :) )
16% Northern Africa (My Berber ancestry)

So I guess 65% Europe, 35% Non-Europe. It's kind of consistent with the rest of my DNA tests and my PCA plots where I score right between Sicilians and greeks (Sicilians are 60-70% European too so it makes sense I'll plot right near them). Anyway it is better now as I don't score any Ashkenazi and Caucasus... they were a bit off.


https://profile.fcdn.co.il/images/0__05a5cabba8c87d.jpg

cool results man :thumb001:
you are more roman than me :cry2
i am fucked up with the aschenazi it is eating all my eastern european stuff in this algoritm of joe pickrell :(

[Kriptc06]

central asia stuff


http://78.media.tumblr.com/42e670f5ddb79725032d41280daa1fe7/tumblr_owci90Xu0f1u6oeoao2_500.gif

[Hadouken]

http://78.media.tumblr.com/42e670f5ddb79725032d41280daa1fe7/tumblr_owci90Xu0f1u6oeoao2_500.gif

lol it is nonsense

it is actually supposed to be Pashtun/Baloch/Tajik related stuff . we wuz steppe indoiranian component . then it is correct . as I said before we kurds are mostly Caucasus + East Med + 20-25% ancient central asian iranic roots

[Sp_loa]

cool results man :thumb001:
you are more roman than me :cry2
i am fucked up with the aschenazi it is eating all my eastern european stuff in this algoritm of joe pickrell :(

Yes, I'm glad they don't have a "Sephardic" category. I really like now when there is no Ashkenazi and I can see exactly what my DNA is made of.
I'm kind of surprised to see no Spanish DNA. After all, I'm a so-called "Spanish Jewish"...

What are your Gencove percentages?

[kingjohn]

bullshit central asia stuff

http://up.picr.de/31534766ir.jpg

you score 3% north british iseles
we were celts and shit..... :rotfl:

[Hadouken]

you score 3% north british iseles
we were celts and shit..... :rotfl:

according to 23andme I have a british or irish ancestor in the 1700-1800s or so :lol:

[Freeroostah]

Old: East Med: 100%

New: East Med: 96%
North Italy: 4%



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqTwOoElxBA

[kingjohn]

Yes, I'm glad they don't have a "Sephardic" category. I really like now when there is no Ashkenazi and I can see exactly what my DNA is made of.
I'm kind of surprised to see no Spanish DNA. After all, I'm a so-called "Spanish Jewish"...

What are your Gencove percentages?

sure there you go amigo :)
at least i score 6% southwest europe here :)

34%
Ashkenazi Jewish aschenazi remain the same as before the update

21%
Eastern Mediterranean was 11% before update

15%
Middle East remain more or less the same %

14%
Northern Italy roman genes

7%
Central Asia thats one of the main difference the central indian went to central asia maybe i match the kalash whe were used as refernce in the central asia cluster


6%
Southwestern Europe

3%
Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau reduced in few% from before

[Sp_loa]

sure there you go amigo :)
at least i score 6% southwest europe here :)

34%
Ashkenazi Jewish aschenazi remain the same as before the update
.


21%
Eastern Mediterranean was 11% before update

15%
Middle East remain more or less the same %

14%
Northern Italy roman genes

7%
Central Asia thats one of the main difference the central indian went to central asia maybe i match the kalash whe were used as refernce in the central asia cluster


6%
Southwestern Europe

3%
Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau reduced in few% from before


Indeed the “Ashkenazi” swallowed your North east slavic DNA from your Bulgarian side

[Gangrel]

bullshit central asia stuff

http://up.picr.de/31534766ir.jpg

its kalash

[kingjohn]

Indeed the “Ashkenazi” swallowed your North east slavic DNA from your Bulgarian side

yes because i score 13% slavic in dna tribes snp and also 13% east slavic in k25,k29 { ukranians belarussians } and also 11% east europe in my origins 2.0
joe pickrel algoritm blew it in my case and also in dna land it the same algoritm of joe pickrell ...
i don't think kurd is wrong

i am willing to forgive joe because he gave me some roman genes instead :rotfl:

[Hadouken]

its kalash

Reference populations: Hazara, Uygur, Uzbek, and Kalash

in this case probably yes . well not that bad I guess

[Sp_loa]

yes because i score 13% slavic in dna tribes snp and also 13% east slavic in k25,k29 { ukranians belarussians } and also 11% east europe in my origins 2.0
joe pickrel algoritm blew it in my case and also in dna land it the same algoritm of joe pickrell ...
i don't think kurd is wrong

i am willing to forgive joe because he gave me some roman genes instead :rotfl:

Your Bulgarian side isn’t fully jewish right? Your mother is half South slavic native Bulgarian and half Sephardic Jewish bulgarian.. Am I right?
Do you also have a Mizrahi proper side or only Sephardic and Ashkenazi side?

[Gangrel]

Reference populations: Hazara, Uygur, Uzbek, and Kalash

in this case probably yes . well not that bad I guess

they put south central asian with central asian with the update

whatever central asian you got before the update is probably the actual cental asian turkic

[kingjohn]

Your Bulgarian side isn’t fully jewish right? Your mother is half South slavic native Bulgarian and half Sephardic Jewish bulgarian.. Am I right?
Do you also have a Mizrahi proper side or only Sephardic and Ashkenazi side?

yes i have a mizrachi strain {syrian jew} this from were the central asia genes came {kalash in my opinion }
i uploaded my father and he also score central asia in this update same % as me and my mother don't
so i got those indo iranian genes from my father ......
this my conection to fractal from this forum :)
and yes my mother is half sefhardi half south slavic :)

[Sikeliot]

I didn't put myself through here but these are my grandmother's new results.

Before, she was:

35% SW Europe
29% NorthCentral Europe
24% East Med
7% NE Europe
3% West Africa
2% North Africa


https://i.imgur.com/Cd11b1R.png

[Peterski]

My updated Gencove results:

https://i.imgur.com/AsDZL7E.png

60% Northeast Europe
15% Northern British Isles
9% Northern Italy
7% Eastern Mediterranean
6% Northern and Central Europe
3% Scandinavia

Compared to my old results:

https://i.imgur.com/Mc8S0T3.png
54% Northeast Europe
39% Northern and Central Europe
5% Eastern Mediterranean
4% Southwestern Europe

[Sp_loa]

yes i have a mizrachi strain {syrian jew} this from were the central asia genes came {kalash in my opinion }
i uploaded my father and he also score central asia in this update same % as me and my mother don't
so i got those indo iranian genes from my father ......
this my conection to fractal from this forum :)
and yes my mother is half sefhardi half south slavic :)

Syrian Jews are hybrids of Sephardi and Mizrahi so you might get some European DNA from that side too.

[de Burgh II]

https://s13.postimg.org/wb1g2bx3b/Untitled.jpg

[kingjohn]

Syrian Jews are hybrids of Sephardi and Mizrahi so you might get some European DNA from that side too.

maybe but my father don't score north italy and southwest europe in this update but my mother do
so i got those southern european genes from her

[gültekin]

yet another trash with out off ass made up components. OOA
some people realy try to much hard for shit blood:

Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau

Reference populations: Ossetian, Turkish, Abkhasian, Adygei, Armenian, Balkar, Chechen, Druze, Georgian, Iranian, Kumyk, and Lezgin.

https://s14.postimg.org/cfdx41utd/gencove.jpg

[Gangrel]

yet another trash with out off ass made up components. OOA
https://s14.postimg.org/cfdx41utd/gencove.jpg

18% northern italy LOL

[Maintenance]

This shit says im a jew

[gültekin]

18% northern italy LOL

this one is more retard. so i supposed to score %100 this shit , right ?
Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau

Reference populations: Ossetian, Turkish, Abkhasian, Adygei, Armenian, Balkar, Chechen, Druze, Georgian, Iranian, Kumyk, and Lezgin.

[Gangrel]

This shit says im a jew

https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-08-2016/N062QF.gif

[Maintenance]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-08-2016/N062QF.gif

rofl

This site can't be serious lol.

[Gangrel]

this one is more retard. so i supposed to score %100 this shit , right ?
Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau

Reference populations: Ossetian, Turkish, Abkhasian, Adygei, Armenian, Balkar, Chechen, Druze, Georgian, Iranian, Kumyk, and Lezgin.

Not fully 100% but it should be dominant, much higher

Like 70%ish

Lol wtf

[kingjohn]

This shit says im a jew

share your results don't be shy ;)
we love you the way you are it doesn't matter .... :)

[gültekin]

Not fully 100% but it should be dominant, much higher

Like 70%ish

Lol wtf
it can't. apples and nutts is in same basket

[Gangrel]

it can't. apples and nutts is in same basket

True. Druze and Chechen should not be in the same group

[Longbowman]

93% Ashkenazi, 5% East Mediterranean, 2% North Italy

[kingjohn]

93% Ashkenazi, 5% East Mediterranean, 2% North Italy

we were roman and stuff :dancing:

[gültekin]

True. Druze and Chechen should not be in the same group
They should create an caucasus component which only georgians abkhaz and chechens included.
they should also create another component with armenians druze and iranians.

[Erronkari]

Very interesting! In my case they took me off the 1% Asian... curious...

https://i.imgur.com/8cwGpgq.png

[kingjohn]

brother: :hug2:

29%
Ashkenazi Jewish

24%
Eastern Mediterranean

15%
Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau

14%
Middle East

8%
Northern Italy

7%
Southwestern Europe

2%
Finland

1%
Northeast Asia

[Kriptc06]

Very interesting! In my case they took me off the 1% Asian... curious...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/8cwGpgq.p/img]

wow 97%

[Albannach]

I don't think this is accurate at all, the worst calculator for me so far, although I get quite different results on all of them. Calculators feel quite pointless at this stage with inconsistent results. How is 8% northern British even possible for someone with 50% Scottish ancestry? the other 50% being Irish.

71% Northern and Central Europe
16% Scandinavia
8% Northern British Isles
5% Northern Italy

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't think this is accurate at all, the worst calculator for me so far, although I get quite different results on all of them. Calculators feel quite pointless at this stage with inconsistent results. How is 8% northern British even possible for someone with 50% Scottish ancestry? the other 50% being Irish.

71% Northern and Central Europe
16% Scandinavia
8% Northern British Isles
5% Northern Italy

Hi Albannach - They appear to have put some of your Northern British Isles into Scandinavia. Also Northern and Central Europe is Irish, British and German.

These are my results:

68% Northern and Central Europe
21% Northern British Isles
11% Scandinavia

[Albannach]

Wow 21% Northern British Isles! though to be fair I have seen Poles with twice as much as me. Not sure what the Northern British isles cluster even represents, or what makes it distinct from the Northern and Central Europe cluster? maybe some kind of Celtic/Scandinavian hybrid?

[Peterski]

Wow 21% Northern British Isles! though to be fair I have seen Poles with twice as much as me.

Yeah I got 15%. Poles are the new Brits. LOL.

[oszkar07]

Yeah I got 15%. Poles are the new Brits. LOL.

The calc cant be very good, Im half British and it gives me 5 % North British ...Litvin is more British than me .

[kingjohn]

The calc cant be very good, Im half British and it gives me 5 % North British ...Litvin is more British than me .
:thumb001:

[Peterski]

But remember that Northern and Central Europe also includes British and Irish:

Northern and Central Europe
Reference populations: British, Irish, German.

Northern British Isles
Reference populations: British, Orcadian, Scottish.

I wonder what's the difference between 1st British and 2nd British references?

[Peterski]

The calc cant be very good

Calc is good, Brexit was bad. Poles are more British than Brits! ;)

[Peterski]

My NW Euro is apparently very Un-German. So I get North British in Gencove, Scando in K29 Geneplaza, Danish in DNA.Tribes. Instead of German. It predates the "Ostsiedlung". Probably from ancient Celts and Goths.

[Kelmendasi]

Previous: 100% East-Med

Current: 93% East Med, 7% North Italy

[kingjohn]

Calc is good, Brexit was bad. Poles are more British than Brits! ;)

lol :rotfl:
what about eastern poles can you please ask mlukasz to upload his raw data to this gencove nounsense :)

[Peterski]

Not sure what the Northern British isles cluster even represents, or what makes it distinct from the Northern and Central Europe cluster? maybe some kind of Celtic/Scandinavian hybrid?

Yeah that's what I think.

Northern British looks like Celtic (maybe only Caledonian?) + some Germanic but without any continental Istvaeonic and Irminonic (which are groups ancestral to most Germans). BTW, here are my results in K47 calculator:

2.10% North-Iberian
0.80% East-Iberian
0.10% North-African
4.31% South-Caucasian
0.12% North-Caucasian
1.33% Paleo-Balkan
3.56% East-Med
30.09% East-Euro
13.82% North-Sea_Germanic
12.88% Celtic
6.02% West-Finnic
7.09% Scando-Germanic
0.05% Iranian
11.95% Baltic
1.41% West-Med
0.83% Pamirian
3.54% Central-Med

By the way, North Britain and Poland used to have related Celtic tribes:

Lugidunon / Lugidunum (= Legnica or Głogów, in Poland)
Luguvalium (= Carlisle in Cumbria, in northern England)
Lugudunum / Lugdunum (= Lyon, in Rhône-Alpes, France)
Lugdunum Batavorum (= Leiden, in Zuid-Holland, the Netherlands)
Lugdunum Convenarum (= Saint-Bertrand-de-Comminges)

Celtic ethnoses called Lugii (later Lugiorum nomen - the Lugian federation), Lugi, Luggones and Lougei lived in these three areas:

1) Poland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugii

"The Lugii (or Legii, Lugi, Lygii, Ligii, Lugiones, Lygians, Ligians, Lugians, or Lougoi) were a large tribal confederation mentioned by Roman authors living in ca. 100 BC–300 AD in Central Europe, north of the Sudetes mountains in the basin of upper Oder and Vistula rivers, covering most of modern south and middle Poland (regions of Silesia, Greater Poland, Mazovia and Little Poland)."

2) North Britain:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Periods/Roman/_Texts/Ptolemy/2/2*.html

"(...) from the Lemannonis bay as far as the Varar estuary are the Caledoni, and above these is the Caledonian forest, from which toward the east are the Decantae, and next to these the Lugi extending to the Cornavi boundary, and above the Lugi are the Smertae; below Caledonia are the Vacomagi, among whom are the following towns (...)"

3) Iberia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astures#Origins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Roman_peoples_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula#Celtic

"The Transmontani, placed between the Navia River and the central massif of the Picos de Europa, comprised the Cabarci, Iburri, Luggones, Paesici, Paenii, Saelini, Vinciani, Viromenici, Brigaentini and Baedunienses; the Cismontani comprised the Amaci, Cabruagenigi, Lancienses, Lougei, Tiburi, Orniaci, Superatii, Gigurri, Zoelae and Susarri (which dwelled around Asturica Augusta, in the Astura river valley, and was the main Astur town in Roman times). Prior to the Roman conquest in the late 1st century BC, they were united into a tribal federation with the mountain-top citadel of Asturica (Astorga) as their capital."

=====================

I'm guessing that Northern Britain has no any Wesser-Rhine and Elbe Germanic ancestry (and probably their Celtic represents Caledonians):

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6745fe2ee041a232e9c5487ecbfd179c

[Gangrel]

for peeps who have imgur blocked

https://i.hizliresim.com/W76MBQ.png

[Peterski]

Gaelic ancestry will be counted as "Northern and Central" because Gaels came from Ireland. So Gaelic is not part of "North British", I guess.

You know I'm just trying to rationalize this.

Another explanation is that it is just crap.

[kingjohn]

Gaelic ancestry will be counted as "Northern and Central" because Gaels came from Ireland. So Gaelic is not part of "North British", I guess.

You know I'm just trying to rationalize this.

Another explanation is that it is just crap.
probably
:clap2:

[Peterski]

probably
:clap2:

If we apply Ockham's razor principle then yes. OTOH, I do have Scottish Y-DNA matches (Chisholms and Olivers) as my closest matches.

[Albannach]

Yeah that's what I think.

Northern British looks like Celtic (maybe only Caledonian?) + some Germanic but without any continental Istvaeonic and Irminonic (which are groups ancestral to most Germans). BTW, here are my results in K47 calculator:

2.10% North-Iberian
0.80% East-Iberian
0.10% North-African
4.31% South-Caucasian
0.12% North-Caucasian
1.33% Paleo-Balkan
3.56% East-Med
30.09% East-Euro
13.82% North-Sea_Germanic
12.88% Celtic
6.02% West-Finnic
7.09% Scando-Germanic
0.05% Iranian
11.95% Baltic
1.41% West-Med
0.83% Pamirian
3.54% Central-Med

By the way, North Britain and Poland used to have related Celtic tribes:

Lugidunon / Lugidunum (= Legnica or Głogów, in Poland)
Luguvalium (= Carlisle in Cumbria, in northern England)
Lugudunum / Lugdunum (= Lyon, in Rhône-Alpes, France)
Lugdunum Batavorum (= Leiden, in Zuid-Holland, the Netherlands)
Lugdunum Convenarum (= Saint-Bertrand-de-Comminges)

Celtic ethnoses called Lugii (later Lugiorum nomen - the Lugian federation), Lugi, Luggones and Lougei lived in these three areas:

1) Poland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugii

"The Lugii (or Legii, Lugi, Lygii, Ligii, Lugiones, Lygians, Ligians, Lugians, or Lougoi) were a large tribal confederation mentioned by Roman authors living in ca. 100 BC–300 AD in Central Europe, north of the Sudetes mountains in the basin of upper Oder and Vistula rivers, covering most of modern south and middle Poland (regions of Silesia, Greater Poland, Mazovia and Little Poland)."

2) North Britain:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Periods/Roman/_Texts/Ptolemy/2/2*.html

"(...) from the Lemannonis bay as far as the Varar estuary are the Caledoni, and above these is the Caledonian forest, from which toward the east are the Decantae, and next to these the Lugi extending to the Cornavi boundary, and above the Lugi are the Smertae; below Caledonia are the Vacomagi, among whom are the following towns (...)"

3) Iberia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astures#Origins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Roman_peoples_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula#Celtic

"The Transmontani, placed between the Navia River and the central massif of the Picos de Europa, comprised the Cabarci, Iburri, Luggones, Paesici, Paenii, Saelini, Vinciani, Viromenici, Brigaentini and Baedunienses; the Cismontani comprised the Amaci, Cabruagenigi, Lancienses, Lougei, Tiburi, Orniaci, Superatii, Gigurri, Zoelae and Susarri (which dwelled around Asturica Augusta, in the Astura river valley, and was the main Astur town in Roman times). Prior to the Roman conquest in the late 1st century BC, they were united into a tribal federation with the mountain-top citadel of Asturica (Astorga) as their capital."

=====================

I'm guessing that Northern Britain has no any Wesser-Rhine and Elbe Germanic ancestry (and probably their Celtic represents Caledonians):

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6745fe2ee041a232e9c5487ecbfd179c

Orcadians are essentially a Caledonian/Norwegian hybrid so it would make sense that is what the Northern British isles cluster is I suppose. But I'm still mystified How people who have no links to Scotland can get far more than me when I'm from the place, doesn't really make sense, and neither does my 5% Northern Italian.

I don't think because the tribes ect have names that start with Lug necessarily means they were related. Lug or in Gaelic Lugh was a celtic god, so it's more likely that they worshipped the same deities and that is where they got their name from. Although it is possible I suppose when you consider how far spread the Celts were. Interestingly I seem to be quite close to Czech on a few Gedmatch calculators.

Talking about calculators, where can I get the K47 Calculator? is it on Gedmatch?

[kingjohn]

If we apply Ockham's razor principle then yes. OTOH, I do have Scottish Y-DNA matches (Chisholms and Olivers) as my closest matches.

joe pickrell algoritm took all my slavic genes
no forgivness :cry
i prefer k29 or even dna tribes snp even my origins 2.0 with the lousy sefhardic refernce is better :coffee:

[Peterski]

and neither does my 5% Northern Italian.

Romans! :) But where did my Northern Italian come from? LOL.


where can I get the K47 Calculator? is it on Gedmatch?

It's not on GEDmatch. You can run it on your computer using DIY.

Or you can send me your raw data and I'll run it for you.

[Peterski]

Orcadians are essentially a Caledonian/Norwegian hybrid

Norwegians apparently have some Polish-like DNA, according to this new study on Irish genetics (see Supplementary Figure 6. below):

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17124-4

https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41598-017-17124-4/MediaObjects/41598_2017_17124_MOESM1_ESM.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/b8tknJM.png

[Peterski]

It's weird how Non-Swedish Norwegians are. So much closer to Danes?

[Vascontelo]

A totally mess in my case. I got 38% native american and my western african just dissapears LOL. And they added 12% of northern italy.

[Peterski]

Maybe Iceland shouldn't really be part of Scandinavian cluster because they are a mix of Scandinavian and British-Irish ancestry.


according to 23andme I have a british or irish ancestor in the 1700-1800s or so :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatians_(people)

[Thracian]

It seems better than previous version however it is still an awful calculator.

[kingjohn]

a person from other forum who all his ancestors
from southwest germany and western germany :
northen and central europe -48%
southwestern europe 26%
scandinavia 11%
northeast europe 9%
northen italy 4%
2% northeast asia could be noise or something

[Peterski]

lol :rotfl:
what about eastern poles can you please ask mlukasz to upload his raw data to this gencove nounsense :)

I would like to see his results.

But here is a comparison of our K47 results (I'm TomFTDNA):

https://i.imgur.com/Be06NKD.png

vv_rus = Russian*
Lukasz = Eastern Pole
TomFTDNA= Western Pole
celticgerman = German

PCA with PC1 and PC2 (but don't be too quick to think in a "geographical way", as these 2 components load only 59% of the total variance; in order to see 100% of the total variance with K47, we would need to see 47 dimensions):

https://i.imgur.com/Be06NKD.png

*Mother from Central Russia, father from North-West Russia.

[Peterski]

Slovak1 is Karol.Klacansky's dad.

[Peterski]

(...)

Check your e-mail.

[Thracian]

BTW, I uploaded VCF file from Gencove to Genesis Gedmach and my results are really funny.

[Albannach]

Your K47 results (proportions of "Celtic" to "Germanic" shouldn't be interpreted literally because for example ancient Celtic samples also score "Germanic" in this calculator, just not as much as ancient Germanic samples):

0.00% Kushitic
5.71% North-Iberian
3.97% East-Iberian
0.00% Tibeto-Burman
0.16% North-African
1.42% South-Caucasian
3.76% North-Caucasian
1.85% Paleo-Balkan
0.00% Turkic-Altai
0.00% Proto-Austronesian
0.00% Nilotic
0.00% East-Med
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Munda
0.00% North-Amerind
0.00% Arabic
11.24% East-Euro
0.00% Central-African_HG
0.00% Andean
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% South-Indian
0.00% NE-Asian
0.53% Volgan
0.00% Mongolian
0.00% Siberian
18.92% North-Sea_Germanic
23.97% Celtic
0.00% West-African
4.16% West-Finnic
1.22% Uralic
0.00% Sahelian
0.00% NW-Indian
0.00% East-African_HG
0.00% East-Asian
0.00% Amuro-Manchurian
14.74% Scando-Germanic
0.00% Iranian
0.00% South-African_HG
0.00% Amazonian
6.29% Baltic
0.00% Malay
0.00% Meso-Amerind
0.00% South-Chinese
0.05% Papuan
0.00% West-Med
0.00% Pamirian
2.00% Central-Med

Thanks mate!. The results are much what I was expecting really, thought I might get a bit more Celtic but the results are overall very similar to Gedmatch calculators I have used. Except the Urallic and Finnic which is something I've never seen in any results so far. My Scandanavian seems to be quite consistent on most calculators, between 13%-16% and I imagine the Finnic was probably brought with the Vikings too. Thanks for taking the time to do this for me Litvin, much appreciated.

[kingjohn]

BTW, I uploaded VCF file from Gencove to Genesis Gedmach and my results are really funny.

what are your results in this update ?
please post them you know
for the comedy
:cheers:

[Thracian]

what are your results in this update ?
please post them you know
for the comedy
:cheers:

23% N. Italian
6% Southwestern Europe
29% Eastern Mediterranean
13% Anatolia
8% Middle East
7% Scandinavian
5%Central Indian
4% Central Asia
4% Siberia
2% Northeast European

Genesis Gedmatch (Admixture/Oracle Population Search Utility) K13

Gencove

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 19.42
2 Baltic 19
3 West_Asian 18.01
4 East_Med 11.19
5 Red_Sea 9.53
6 South_Asian 9.44
7 North_Atlantic 6.65
8 Siberian 2.7
9 East_Asian 1.5
10 Northeast_African 1.49
11 Oceanian 1.08

FTDNA

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.16
2 North_Atlantic 17.93
3 West_Asian 17.06
4 Baltic 16.93
5 West_Med 16.27
6 South_Asian 4.47
7 Red_Sea 4.46
8 Siberian 3.1
9 Amerindian 0.61

Look at the difference. Gencove and dna.land use imputation method to fill in the blanks in our genome. That's why their results are not accurate.

[CertifiedCracker]

18% Northern Italy and more Finnish ancestry is the only change on mine. Looks more precise.

[kingjohn]

23% N. Italian
6% Southwestern Europe
29% Eastern Mediterranean
13% Anatolia
8% Middle East
7% Scandinavian
5%Central Indian
4% Central Asia
4% Siberia
2% Northeast European

Genesis Gedmatch (Admixture/Oracle Population Search Utility) K13

Gencove

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 19.42
2 Baltic 19
3 West_Asian 18.01
4 East_Med 11.19
5 Red_Sea 9.53
6 South_Asian 9.44
7 North_Atlantic 6.65
8 Siberian 2.7
9 East_Asian 1.5
10 Northeast_African 1.49
11 Oceanian 1.08

FTDNA

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.16
2 North_Atlantic 17.93
3 West_Asian 17.06
4 Baltic 16.93
5 West_Med 16.27
6 South_Asian 4.47
7 Red_Sea 4.46
8 Siberian 3.1
9 Amerindian 0.61

Look at the difference. Gencove and dna.land use a imputation method to fill in the blanks in our genome. That's why their results are not accurate.

that explain everything now i know why it is not inline with other tests
thanks man :)

[Peterski]

23andMe is also using this imputation method now (with new v5 chip).

[kingjohn]

23andMe is also using this imputation method now (with new v5 chip).

thats why 23and me v5 is bad .....
who doesn't used it
ftdna ?
ancesterydna ?
dna tribes?

[Thracian]

that explain everything now i know why it is not inline with other tests
thanks man :)

you are welcome man :)

[Thracian]

23andMe is also using this imputation method now (with new v5 chip).

I have been waiting for my results for over than one month.I think it takes a few more weeks. When I get my results I will compare it with gencove and dna.land.

[SvartVarg]

:tongue1: https://i.imgur.com/0ELDZOr.png

One parent 53% Scandinavia & other 60% North/Central Europe. Oddly, for being British, one gets zero Northern British Isles.

[Dick]

...

[kingjohn]

bottom line there imputation process fucked up everything
thats why other tests results are fucking different ....
:picard2:

p.s
if ftdna doesn't use imputation process than there results are more reliable :thumb001:

[Vid Flumina]

https://s9.postimg.org/b81zmatv3/Gencove.png (https://postimg.org/image/jdk1kgi3v/)

This one is a big stew...

I get that the reference pop for Northern Italy is Tuscans, who are Central Italians, but seriously how can a Macedonian score over twice the Northern Italy of an actual Northern Italian..

https://s18.postimg.org/xbk6tpn6h/gencoveupd.png

[kingjohn]

I get that the reference pop for Northern Italy is Tuscans, who are Central Italians, but seriously how can a Macedonian score over twice the Northern Italy of an actual Northern Italian..

https://s18.postimg.org/xbk6tpn6h/gencoveupd.png

morti also score high % north italian above 30%
this calculator is fucked up :wink

[Bosniensis]

bottom line there imputation process fucked up everything
thats why other tests results are fucking different ....
:picard2:

p.s
if ftdna doesn't use imputation process than there results are more reliable :thumb001:

awesome, I am waiting for my familyfinder and y37. Batch 821 ^^

[kingjohn]

awesome, I am waiting for my familyfinder and y37. Batch 821 ^^

litvin told me ftdna doesn't do imputation { guessing}
i don't know if you will like your results from them yes or no
but it will be still more reliable ....
share results when you have them :)
regards
adam

p.s
i am speaking about 23and me v5
23and me v3 and v4 was ok without imputation

[RN97]

https://i.imgur.com/h4yU1C1.png

[kingjohn]

from there site :
blue moon you were correct :(

We've used a method called imputation to fill in blanks in your genome, which means some blanks may be filled incorrectly. Please read this great article by DNA.land to learn more about it. This is one of the reasons data in your Gencove account should only be used for research or educational purposes.
:picard2:

[Gangrel]

https://i.imgur.com/h4yU1C1.png

where is the east african wtf

[firemonkey]

71681

71682

71683

71684

71685


Average of all of them(rounded)

North and Central Europe 91%
Northern British isles 5%
East Mediterranean 3%
Finland 1%

Given I'm nearly a 3rd Scottish the Northern British isles is surprisingly low. Indeed it appears to be lower than quite a few non British people.

[Dick]

71681

71682

71683

71684

71685


Average of all of them(rounded)

North and Central Europe 91%
Northern British isles 5%
East Mediterranean 3%
Finland 1%

Given I'm nearly a 3rd Scottish the Northern British isles is surprisingly low. Indeed it appears to be lower than quite a few non British people.

How did you upload living dna?

[firemonkey]

How did you upload living dna?

Just like I uploaded the other raw data. The normal way for Gencove.

[jingorex]

https://s18.postimg.org/jue1jdl8p/genecove.jpg

[greasycaveman]

trash
https://preview.ibb.co/nEP2mm/Screen_Shot_2018_01_16_at_11_03_57_PM.png (https://ibb.co/jXNoRm)

[Congolese Rice]

LOL these results are even more weird for me.. 25% SCANDINAVIAN ?????? OMG XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD here ill post what is scored here


POPULATIONS
25%
Scandinavia
24%
Western Africa
22%
Northern and Central Europe
12%
Eastern Mediterranean
5%
Northern British Isles
5%
Northern Italy
4%
Northeast Europe

these results are so odd though damn.

[Stears]

https://i.imgur.com/zH00B1N.png

[Wrong]

Old
https://i.imgur.com/wiGWimR.png


New
https://i.imgur.com/kC3J3zl.png

[LTK17]

71723

71724

[Lucas]

I have boring results:)

https://s10.postimg.org/fjs6ke9mh/Bez-nazwy-1.jpg

mother - more interesting:)

https://s10.postimg.org/vw289s8ex/Bez-nazwy-2.jpg


father - very boring:)

https://s10.postimg.org/kjpms2cll/Bez-nazwy-3.jpg

[Tchek]

28% Northern and Central Europe
27% Northern Italy
21% Scandinavia
19% Southwestern Europe
5% Northern British Isles

[kingjohn]

I have boring results:)

https://s10.postimg.org/fjs6ke9mh/Bez-nazwy-1.jpg

mother - more interesting:)

https://s10.postimg.org/vw289s8ex/Bez-nazwy-2.jpg


father - very boring:)

https://s10.postimg.org/kjpms2cll/Bez-nazwy-3.jpg

you score 21% north central italian :thumb001:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTj8UlZSsCQ

[Not a Cop]

Theoretically it does correlate with my 7\8 East-Euro, 1\8 German, if we will assume 13% of Western-Euro mish-mash is a proxy for German, but i think it's just accident similarity.
https://i.imgur.com/ozHfFTD.png

[Peterski]

Theoretically it does correlate with my 7\8 East-Euro, 1\8 German, if we will assume 13% of Western-Euro mish-mash is a proxy for German, but i think it's just accident similarity.
https://i.imgur.com/ozHfFTD.png

Have you tried DNA Tribes?

[Not a Cop]

Have you tried DNA Tribes?

No, don't you have to make a separate test for it?

[Peterski]

No, don't you have to make a separate test for it?

No, you can just transfer your raw data:

https://dnatribes-snp.com

[Not a Cop]

No, you can just transfer your raw data:

https://dnatribes-snp.com

50$ is a lot for raw-data analyses, have any of known memebers done it? Any interesting results?

[Peterski]

have any of known memebers done it? Any interesting results?

I think it tends to skew towards NW European (at least in some cases). But results are nethertheless interesting. Several members did. I did it, mlukas, etc.:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?200442-Post-your-DNA-Tribes-results

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213141-DNA-TRIBES-RESULTS

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212984-Peterski-s-(Litvin-s)-DNA-Tribes-Report-(FTDNA-raw-data-transfer)&p=4463747&viewfull=1#post4463747

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213850-Crazydaisy-DNAtribes

Some others also did it but back in 2015 (it was different back then):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?175241-My-DNA-Tribes-Results

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?221736-DNA-Tribes-seems-pretty-inaccurate

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?173398-My-DNA-Tribes-SNP-Results

2013: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?71515-FairyPrincess-DNA-Tribes-Results

[Bosniensis]

in 78% are included: Malta, Sicily, Cyprus, Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria.

https://i.imgur.com/cpyVw0P.png

[kingjohn]

in 78% are included: Malta, Sicily, Cyprus, Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria.

https://i.imgur.com/cpyVw0P.png

i think your k29 more presice { don't use imputation guessing}
where is all your celtic northwest european genes ?

[Bosniensis]

i think your k29 more presice { don't use imputation guessing}
where is all your celtic northwest european genes ?

Celts were a large community, and were native in:

1. Anatolia
2. Italy
3. France
4. Spain
5. UK

Nowdays mostly extinct.

Since K29 is built around Greeks and Albanians who doesnt have Celtic influence, they have separated Celts and I was pointed to "NW Europe" where Celts have survived a bit

However Genecove and 23andMe consider Celtic influence native to Balkan (cause it is).

[Jana]

https://i.imgur.com/zYkZnTQ.png

[MercifulServant]

I just went to check and mine didnt change and it still has the southwest europe component at 3 percent

[MercifulServant]

https://i.imgur.com/zYkZnTQ.png

Is North and Central europe slavic in our case?

[Jana]

Is North and Central europe slavic in our case?
More celto germanic I think.

[Bosniensis]

More celto germanic I think.

Celto?

Celto are only some people in Frankia, Spain..

I doubt there is Celtic people in Northern Europe.

[Jana]

Celto?

Celto are only some people in Frankia, Spain..

I doubt there is Celtic people in Northern Europe.

Central and northern Europe cathegory is based on Germans, British and Irish, who are celto-germanic by ancestry.