Give me 5 reasons why you dont fight for democracy

[EuropeanVlachSon]

Polish people, give me just 5 reasons why you dont fight against your parliament and government who want to change your democratic laws in some neo-totalitarian laws.
I am jus surprised how this populist party rules Poland like PSD rules Romania, the difference is that I dont see any big protests in Poland. Maybe I am not informed, but I cant find big protests in Poland.

[Ülev]

Poland do not have the real opposition, others wants leads them to another form of vassalage

[glass]

Democracy is alien to them, with EU grip is weakening on them, they are returning to their authoritarian roots.

[Ülev]

Democracy is alien to them, with EU grip is weakening on them, they are returning to their authoritarian roots.

unexpectedly good answer
all of you can see it from most of polish TA members, are they "democrats"? lol

[EuropeanVlachSon]

What happens in Poland really depressed me, in Romania, Poland is seen as a very productive country, with brave people and with central-european mentality, which means prosperity, democracy, development.
It really annoy me how a clown like Kaczyński rule this country.
Just stop eating this populist pathetic shits, no one from EU want to destroy Poland, there's are not muslims who want to own Poland, Russia will dont conquer Poland this is just the propaganda of this clown who want to invent a danger

[EuropeanVlachSon]

Poland do not have the real opposition, others wants leads them to another form of vassalage

We dont have a strong opposition neither. But romanians are in streets every week or month. And not hundreds, tens of thousands.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwcJRgglhiM

[Ülev]

What happens in Poland really depressed me, in Romania, Poland is seen as a very productive country, with brave people and with central-european mentality, which means prosperity, democracy, development.
It really annoy me how a clown like Kaczyński rule this country.
Just stop eating this populist pathetic shits, no one from EU want to destroy Poland, there's are not muslims who want to own Poland, Russia will dont conquer Poland this is just the propaganda of this clown who want to invent a danger

brave people exclude central-european or even more - democratic mentality, and indeed they are brave, and that's all

almost no national brands, inventors etc, everything based on licenses, most of polish companies think how to get rich and sell as much as possible, in the "West" they care about the product's brand by years, ages etc. and that's = east mentality

[EuropeanVlachSon]

brave people exclude central-european or even more - democratic mentality, and indeed they are brave, and that's all

almost no national brands, inventors etc, everything based on licenses, most of polish companies think how to get rich and sell as much as possible, in the "West" they care about the product's brand by years, ages etc. and that's = east mentality

We have a problem with this too. I think is a part of our communist mentality. When communists came, the took every brand and factory and all this products were forced sold in other communist states or in Romania. No competivity, no creativity, just a force market.

I still dont understand how polish people dont fight against this shit populist party. Are you polish or danish?

[Ülev]

We have a problem with this too. I think is a part of our communist mentality. When communists came, the took every brand and factory and all this products were forced sold in other communist states or in Romania. No competivity, no creativity, just a force market.

I still dont understand how polish people dont fight against this shit populist party. Are you polish or danish?

look here ---> http://telewizjarepublika.pl/zbiorowe-szalenstwa-kod-owcow-oda-do-widelca,39493.html
how polish opposition looks, and you will not have any questions no more

[EuropeanVlachSon]

look here ---> http://telewizjarepublika.pl/zbiorowe-szalenstwa-kod-owcow-oda-do-widelca,39493.html
how polish opposition looks, and you will not have any questions no more

Okay, our oposition is not that pathetic. We have a party of liberals who are full of corrupts too, but they are more reformed than PSD, and at least, they dont want to fight against laws and justice.
We also have a new party, named USR, mostly formed just with young people. They are too liberals to me, but I prefer some faggy party than a party full of oligarchs who want to transform Romania in a neo-totalitarian party. PSD ruled our countr for 20 years since the revolution, the new generation and the civillized people from Romania got sick of them.


USR site

https://www.usr.ro/

[Ülev]

and the other thing is that Polish people will rather support Hungary than Romania, all that claims -Polak Węgier dwa bratanki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_and_Hungarian_cousins_be)
even if I personally learned Romanian language.... with Nico (https://youtu.be/rhcuuxHpg4I) :p

[EuropeanVlachSon]

I know, many polish people hate romanians just because you have good relations with hungarians. Lame.

[EuropeanVlachSon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8wEQQajdnw

[Ülev]

but polish government is pro US and rather not want the good relations with Germany, so:

The main objective of Rex Tillerson’s visit to Warsaw is to strengthen the strategic partnership with Poland, a high-ranking representative of the US Department of State has said.

Asked about the state of democracy in Poland by an ABC correspondent, the senior official said that Poland is a sovereign ally of the United States and it can introduce any reforms that are consistent with the Polish Constitution and welcomed by Polish society.

http://thenews.pl/1/2/Artykul/345270,US-official-Tillerson%E2%80%99s-visit-to-focus-on-strategic-partnership-with-Poland

and:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226980-German-war-reparations-matter-of-honor-for-Poland

[EuropeanVlachSon]

Are you sure?

"The Polish government has continued to pursue legislation that appears to undermine judicial independence and weaken the rule of law in Poland. We urge all sides to ensure that any judicial reform does not violate Poland’s constitution or international legal obligations and respects the principles of judicial independence and separation of powers.

Poland is a close ally of the United States, and a strong and healthy democracy in Poland is vital to relations between our two countries.

We remain confident about the strength of Poland’s democracy and the ability of Poles to address these issues through dialogue and compromise to ensure Poland’s democratic institutions and system of checks and balances are fully functioning and respected."

https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/07/272791.htm

[Peterski]

What exactly makes you think that democracy in Poland is endangered? Do you think that this government came to power in a non-democratic way?

Because the truth is that they won fully democratic elections.

[Veslan]

1. Opposition is a total disaster, and a bunch of pro-German cucks that would do everything Merkel and Macron will tell them to do. They even disagreed with a possibility of Poland getting late war reparations from Germany because "don't destroy relations!!!".
2. Poland is still developing quite well, economy is not great but prospering, so we do not have a reason to further protest.
3. Fight "for democracy" is actually a fight for being EU cucks and accepting immigrants from MENA region.
4. And overall... democracy is not threatened. It's just removing postcommunists and pro-Brussels potential traitors from the courts.

[Dandelion]

Authoritarian and anti-democratic are no synonyms. It seems Poles just support their regime hence you have no protests.

[Peterski]

Trump is more authoritarian than our government.

So Americans shouldn't try to teach us democracy.

[Dandelion]

The future of Poland is Rethelian. ;)

[Vožd]

Why populistic rightist autocrats rise everywhere?
Whats happening?

[Veslan]

Why populistic rightist autocrats rise everywhere?
Whats happening?

Why do leftists like you love to overuse word "populism"?

[Peterski]

Whats happening?

Watch "an introduction to Biohistory", just normal lemming cycles:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?210060-Gene%96culture-coevolution

[Peterski]

We dont have a strong opposition neither. But romanians are in streets every week or month. And not hundreds, tens of thousands.

In Poland this government has very high support according to all polls. Recent polls show that they now have much higher support than on the election day. Which is why you don't see any major protests. Check:

http://thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/333888,Poll-Support-up-for-Polish-ruling-party-down-for-opposition

http://www.electograph.com/2018/01/poland-ibris-poll-january-2018.html

http://www.electograph.com/2017/12/poland-estymator-poll-december-2017.html

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-074XFl285Qc/WlaAEAl1L7I/AAAAAAAASSc/f4TagDqTUOECTBiNtWLfgYSNCWcHRYsAACLcBGAs/s1600/PL_180110_IBRiS.png

Some polls even give them >50% (and they won elections with just 38%).

[Mingle]

Trump is more authoritarian than our government.

How so?

[Acquisit0r]

Poles, I mean in general, are much closer to Russia/Ukraine/Belarus in certain traits. However contrary to these nations they are generally very hard obedient workers who are perfect for physical labour. They work long hours, don't whine, look up to the bosses in charge and cost considerably less than the local workforce. Since most of them think and act like slaves, its only natural that they need a shepherd. Also its only natural that democracy should be in jeopardy in Poland. Which it is, I mean apparently..

If I had a plantation or a factory then I'd definitely hire Poles, but none of them would be in charge of anything. Flemish bosses commanding the slaves would produce great results. As it works out so beautifully in Belgium.

[Peterski]

How so?

Just my impression. Isn't he expelling some people from the USA right now?

[Peterski]

Which it is, I mean apparently..

No it is not. This government enjoys huge support. Most people are happy because they are actually doing what they promised to do.

Usually politicians promise a lot but later do nothing.

[Peterski]

Why populistic rightist

Rightist? They are socialist-leaning in terms of economic policies.

[Vožd]

Why do leftists like you love to overuse word "populism"?

Populist politic is: "Say what people like to hear", not what they should hear (truth mostly). This "Profitable politics" way make regime long living as result of propaganda (allows them unhindered developing of corruption as their real goal).
Maybe im wrong about currently Polish regime (not familiar enough), but this what i saw refers to it.

[Acquisit0r]

No it is not. This government enjoys huge support. Most people are happy because they are actually doing what they promised to do.

Usually politicians promise a lot but later do nothing.

Putin and Erdogan enjoy huge support as well. So whats your point exactly? No, I didnt say that Poland was a dictatorship.

[Peterski]

The future of Poland is Rethelian. ;)

Rethel is rather for Korwin-Mikke IIRC. And Korwin-Mikke is a true right winger, hardcore capitalist, 19th century style - not as socialist as Kaczynski.

[Dandelion]

Rethel is rather for Korwin-Mikke IIRC. And Korwin-Mikke is a true right winger, hardcore capitalist, 19th century style - not a socialist like Kaczynski.

Still, your government seems to want to return to Catholic values and emphasise on those. Your government recently passed the Sunday law with the goal of limiting Sunday trading.

https://www.ft.com/content/f4438444-2227-3e4b-8dbb-fbcf621db9a3

Not radical enough for Rethel, but it's at least a step in the right direction for him, I think.

[Peterski]

Putin and Erdogan enjoy huge support as well.

They have much more power than Polish president or even Polish PM. Poland has a parliamentary form of government, not a presidential one. Parliamentary form of government is by its nature less authoritarian than presidential form of government (which is present in such countries like Russia and the USA).

[Peterski]

the Sunday law with the goal of limiting Sunday trading.

This is a standard in many Western European countries as far as I know:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_shopping#European_Union

BTW, owners of shops will still be allowed to trade, AFAIK. But they will not be allowed to demand from employees to work on Sundays.

[Acquisit0r]

What bothers me is that Polish workers pay taxes in Poland while they work in the EU, which isnt fair. What also bothers me is that Poland is the largest recipient of the EU aid. I dont mind having Polish workers in Belgium since they mostly go for very sad jobs which the licals are not too eager to fill. However I'd like to see the law change so that they would pay taxes over here. And ffs stop throwing billions in aid at Poland. Otherwise I dont care about that country, it doesn't pose any danger, it will not be able to compete in areas where the real money is. The hightech and so on.

[Peterski]

What bothers me is that Polish workers pay taxes in Poland while they work in the EU, which isnt fair. What also bothers me is that Poland is the largest recipient of the EU aid. I dont mind having Polish workers in Belgium since they mostly go for very sad jobs which the licals are not too eager to fill. However I'd like to see the law change so that they would pay taxes over here. And ffs stop throwing billions in aid at Poland. Otherwise I dont care about that country, it doesn't pose any danger, it will not be able to compete in areas where the real money is. The hightech and so on.

It may bother you but your country signed a tax treaty with Poland on 14.09.1976:

http://ccff02.minfin.fgov.be/KMWeb/document.do?method=view&id=3232bda5-33df-4fdd-b3b2-c7ada30b7da1#findHighlighted

Belgian workers in Poland also pay taxes just in Belgium based on that agreement.

[Peterski]

(...)

Many ridiculed this gov's pro-family policy, but it actually seems to work:

http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/291488,More-births-in-Poland-in-2016

[Dandelion]

Many ridiculed this gov's pro-family policy, but it actually seems to work:

http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/291488,More-births-in-Poland-in-2016

Don't get me wrong. I'm not against a strong identity neither if it can lead to positive trends like growing birth rate where it's needed (not everywhere, but certainly helpful in former communist countries). Also, it might make society more protectionist versus mass migration from incompatible cultures (especially if one has children ones thinks more of the future of society as a whole).

In fact, I admire Poland's defiant attitude in the face of EU bullying or its stoic defence versus the smearing campaign in Western media and even by EU officials (as a reaction to an innocent patriot march, labeling normal families and even war veterans who fought actual nazis, neonazis; a huge smearing campaign sadly).

[Peterski]

(...)

Why are you surprised about this Sunday trade ban when many Western European countries also have it (and EU law allows each Member State to set its own policy concerning work on Sundays)? Of course this new law will hit the hardest large foreign supermarket chains, such as Lidl, Kaufland, Intermarche, Tesco or Netto:

https://galeria.bankier.pl/p/b/4/b4e3d278836f9a-645-863-0-0-1292-1729.jpg

[Dandelion]

Why are you surprised about this Sunday trade ban when many Western European countries also have it (and EU law allows each Member State to set its own policy concerning work on Sundays)? Of course this new law will hit the hardest large foreign supermarket chains, such as Lidl, Kaufland, Intermarche, Tesco or Netto.

Law isn't my forte. I just associate it with hardcore Christianity like in some strictly religious villages in the Netherlands, where a butcher or a baker would be wise never to open his shop on a Sunday, or the entire community wouldn't buy from him.

[Peterski]

Law isn't my forte. I just associate it with hardcore Christianity like in some strictly religious villages in the Netherlands, where a butcher or a baker would be wise never to open his shop on a Sunday, or the entire community wouldn't buy from him.

Why should we ban trade on Saturday if we are not a Jewish country?

So Sunday is the logical choice.

[Dandelion]

Why should we ban trade on Saturday if we are not a Jewish country?

So Sunday is the logical choice.

I never insinuated one should do that on Saturday or on any day.

EDIT: But you didn't mean it religiously as the prime reasoning behind it, only for the choice of day.

[Peterski]

I never insinuated one should do that on Saturday or on any day.

It is not a religious law but related to balancing work and leisure.

Monday-Friday are normal working days and school days, so banning trade on any of them would be stupid. It has to be during the weekend.

[glass]

What exactly makes you think that democracy in Poland is endangered? Do you think that this government came to power in a non-democratic way?

Hitler rose to power in full democratic elections as well.
These are first steps that would make rulling party rulling "permanently". Model is well known and was used many times through human history and fiction. Offering people to limit their freedom in order to fight enemies, internal and external, often imaginable.

[EuropeanVlachSon]

Why do leftists like you love to overuse word "populism"?

Stop pretending we all are leftits who want Europe to become part of muslim world. I dislike Merkel and muslim invasion too. But PiS, popullist party is using this invasion as a tool to brainwash you and to change Poland from a democratic country in a neo-totalitarian one.


What exactly makes you think that democracy in Poland is endangered? Do you think that this government came to power in a non-democratic way?

Because the truth is that they won fully democratic elections.

They came in democratic way but now they change the law. If you won the elections, this doesnt means you can change everything in a country. I dont even know how is constitutional in Poland to change that many things easily.

[EuropeanVlachSon]

1. Opposition is a total disaster, and a bunch of pro-German cucks that would do everything Merkel and Macron will tell them to do. They even disagreed with a possibility of Poland getting late war reparations from Germany because "don't destroy relations!!!".
2. Poland is still developing quite well, economy is not great but prospering, so we do not have a reason to further protest.
3. Fight "for democracy" is actually a fight for being EU cucks and accepting immigrants from MENA region.
4. And overall... democracy is not threatened. It's just removing postcommunists and pro-Brussels potential traitors from the courts.


Why do leftists like you love to overuse word "populism"?

Stop pretending we all are leftits who want Europe to become part of muslim world. I dislike Merkel and muslim invasion too. But PiS, popullist party is using this invasion as a tool to brainwash you and to change Poland from a democratic country in a neo-totalitarian one.


What exactly makes you think that democracy in Poland is endangered? Do you think that this government came to power in a non-democratic way?

Because the truth is that they won fully democratic elections.

They came in democratic way but now they change the law. If you won the elections, this doesnt means you can change everything in a country. I dont even know how is constitutional in Poland to change that many things easily.


1. Opposition is a total disaster, and a bunch of pro-German cucks that would do everything Merkel and Macron will tell them to do. They even disagreed with a possibility of Poland getting late war reparations from Germany because "don't destroy relations!!!".
2. Poland is still developing quite well, economy is not great but prospering, so we do not have a reason to further protest.
3. Fight "for democracy" is actually a fight for being EU cucks and accepting immigrants from MENA region.
4. And overall... democracy is not threatened. It's just removing postcommunists and pro-Brussels potential traitors from the courts.

1. Opposition is a disaster in Romania too, so what? That means you have to let this neo-totalitarians to change Poland from a democratic country in an african country?
2. The economy is based in Poland on foreigner investments, as in Romania, the government have nothing to do with this at all, and the economy is not the single thing in a country.
3. Bullshit, what have to do the internal problems and change of laws with immigrants and being cuck of EU ? This sounds like a propaganda made by grandpa Kaczyński
4. Removing postcommunists with pro-PiS. Pro Brussels traitors? This Brussels guys gave a lot of money into Poland ass and you renovated the country with EU help. Not alone. If you dont want to be anymore a "cuck" of the strong civillized democratic countries, than you should simply leave or dont get any EU funds anymore.

[Peterski]

Poland has more freedom of speech and other democratic freedoms than Western Europe or North America. So how can you claim that democracy in Poland is endangered, LOL? Really I don't know what is your source of news. But if Polish democracy was really threatened, I would have noticed. You are the brainwashed ones here (maybe it's time to change your sources of news about Poland?).


I dislike Merkel and muslim invasion too.

And here we disagree.

The anti-refugee stance is actually one of things that I dislike about PiS.

[EuropeanVlachSon]

Poland has more freedom of speech and other democratic freedoms than Western Europe or North America. So how can you claim that democracy in Poland is endangered, LOL? Really I don't know what is your source of news. But if Polish democracy was really threatened, I would have noticed. You are the brainwashed ones here (maybe it's time to change your sources of news about Poland?).
.


I dont even need a source of news, I just have to read the laws they want to change and how.

[Veslan]

Stop pretending we all are leftits who want Europe to become part of muslim world. I dislike Merkel and muslim invasion too. But PiS, popullist party is using this invasion as a tool to brainwash you and to change Poland from a democratic country in a neo-totalitarian one.
There is no anti-Muslim alternative for Poland. The same parties that want "democracy" overall are also German pawns. I want a strong, safe, pure homeland, not disorganized, multicultural one (aka "democratic").

[Veslan]

Stop pretending we all are leftits who want Europe to become part of muslim world. I dislike Merkel and muslim invasion too. But PiS, popullist party is using this invasion as a tool to brainwash you and to change Poland from a democratic country in a neo-totalitarian one.



They came in democratic way but now they change the law. If you won the elections, this doesnt means you can change everything in a country. I dont even know how is constitutional in Poland to change that many things easily.



1. Opposition is a disaster in Romania too, so what? That means you have to let this neo-totalitarians to change Poland from a democratic country in an african country?
2. The economy is based in Poland on foreigner investments, as in Romania, the government have nothing to do with this at all, and the economy is not the single thing in a country.
3. Bullshit, what have to do the internal problems and change of laws with immigrants and being cuck of EU ? This sounds like a propaganda made by grandpa Kaczyński
4. Removing postcommunists with pro-PiS. Pro Brussels traitors? This Brussels guys gave a lot of money into Poland ass and you renovated the country with EU help. Not alone. If you dont want to be anymore a "cuck" of the strong civillized democratic countries, than you should simply leave or dont get any EU funds anymore.

1. Poland is in fact more really democratic than it was under PO. There are no tries to enforce new law against the freedom of speech, no provocations against patriots, no arrests and unfair raids on critics of the president. In fact the "pro-democratic" parties are also the ones who want to delegalize everything, and bring some new anti-freedom of speech laws.
2. Maybe it was under PO. Now PiS repolonizes much of the sectors lost to foreginers. The wages are going up, economy is grwoing stronger.
3. Yes, it is. I think I know better than you. It's combined butthurt of opposition which lost, and germans who lose their "good goys" in the east.
4. Ah yes, this famous "help"... It's really funny that leftists like you unironically believe that brussels would help us just because of their good will, and not for interests.

I bet that you also believe that new roads built in Poland and funded by the EU (because it's brussles which decides on what would they spent their money) would be only for Poles and their comfort and not for an example for western trucks to transport freely and more efficiently, as well as the western petrol station and western shops on the way are some sort of a gift for a Poles and not an object of western interests... and this is just one example on how dotations "spent on Poland" return to the west.

Both germans and the germanophilic opposition want Poland to be a colony, not a sovereign state. We don't owe them nothing, but the teutonic scum still didn't pay us war reparations. I'd enjoy seeing they do so or retreating to the west side of Elbe. :) (our millitary also has improved btw). I can't wait to see their downfall, and our currently silently, but soon possibly openly anti-EU government will help to realize it.

[EuropeanVlachSon]

You just have the same oldschool arguments as the nationalists paranoic romanians have.
Yes, trust me, I know a lot about EU funds, because I have created an european project. Poland and Romania give money from their budget to EU common budget, and from that budget the richer countries (UK,Germany, France) giver more percent to the poor shitholes like Romania and Poland.
They didnt paid the reparations but gave you cities already built and which were not part of your country. Stop with this germanophobic shit. Without their investements you and us would be some Ukraine or Moldova. This is the truth, not a "cuck" fact.

[Peterski]

Cities "already built"? Most of them were in ruins as of May 1945.

And in Yalta, Western Allies "sold" us to Stalin for several decades. Bricks from Polish cities were first use to rebuild Russian cities. Only later we could rebuild ours (as well as post-German ruins).


Without their investements you and us would be some Ukraine or Moldova.

American investment is better. Look what it did with South Korea or Japan.

And American government is no longer interfering in internal affairs of Japan.


Stop with this germanophobic shit.

Romania was an Axis country during WW2. You are responsible for WW2 just as much as Germany, and you should also pay us reparations (as well as to Ukraine - since Romanian forces invaded Soviet Ukraine, your troops besieged Odessa and destroyed that city). Poland was not an Axis country.

[frankhammer]

Democracy leads to the destruction of local peoples. Giving power to minorities, from ethnics to degenerates. Why would you fight for this? Democracy hasn't made Western Europe great. They are weaker and more divided than any time in the past few centuries.

[Ülev]

electricity in villages in West Poland ("Recovered territories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovered_Territories)) was in 1945, electricity in villages in Częstochowa area came in 1971
:picard1:

1971 Elektryfikacja wsi, budowa drogi asfaltowej = 1971 Electrification of the village, construction of an asphalt road

http://kiedosy.osp.org.pl/?pid=13

edit: actually Kiedosy is a village in the administrative district of Gmina Działoszyn, Łódź Voivodeship

[Teutone]

Why should I fght for something that has been forced upon my country?

[Rethel]

Polish people, give me just 5 reasons why you dont fight against your parliament and government who want to change your democratic laws in some neo-totalitarian laws.
I am jus surprised how this populist party rules Poland like PSD rules Romania, the difference is that I dont see any big protests in Poland. Maybe I am not informed, but I cant find big protests in Poland.

:picard2:

[Ülev]

:picard2:

and he came

to close the thread

[Dragoon]

Democracy is overrated.
Liberal Democracy is garbage.

PIS is retarded (same with all the other parties), but at least they care about family and morals somewhat.
There are protests by Kod Soros types and EU lovers.

[Veslan]

You just have the same oldschool arguments as the nationalists paranoic romanians have.
Yes, trust me, I know a lot about EU funds, because I have created an european project. Poland and Romania give money from their budget to EU common budget, and from that budget the richer countries (UK,Germany, France) giver more percent to the poor shitholes like Romania and Poland.
I guess you do realize that using words like "poor shitholes" will not turn me a brussels cuck, right? You are using the same lame arguments as EU enthusiasts in Poland: "muh euro funds", "muh poor poland", blah blah, blah.

They didnt paid the reparations but gave you cities already built and which were not part of your country.
Here comes your bad history knowledge. Poland didn't receive new cities from Germany, and these cities were not given us as a reparation for destruction of our country. We received them as a reparation from the Soviet Union for our lost Eastern Borderlands. This was 100% Allied, namely Soviet decision. And I do like our new territories, but the teutons still owe us money.

Stop with this germanophobic shit.
I'm not germanophobic. Germans are pussies, I don't fear them.

Without their investements you and us would be some Ukraine or Moldova. This is the truth, not a "cuck" fact.
Wrong right again. You are extremely ignorant both in economics, and even in the EU rules. In late 90s Poland was already richer than Moldova and Ukraine. This is because our industry was from the beginning stronger. And Polish farms were not fully collectivized/nationalized, unlike the Soviet ones, making them also more succesful. And the second part you don't get is that to be accepted as a member, you have to already have a good economy. So Poland was already "good enough" in 2003, while Ukraine and Moldova were not.

[Ancap]

Read it and you'll realize why.

http://www.riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Hoppe_Democracy_The_God_That_Failed.pdf