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Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 01:23 PM
The Kartvelian languages (Georgian: Kartveluri enebi,also known as Iberian) are one of the oldest languages still spoken today,indigenous to the Caucasus.Like Finnish and Basque they aren't related to Indo-European or Asiatic language families,but have their own. There are 4 Kartvelian languages:Svan,Laz,Mingrelian and Georgian(which is the main language). There are approximately 5.2 million speakers of Kartvelian languages worldwide.

https://b.radikal.ru/b00/1801/74/d3b5ef952c4d.png (https://radikal.ru)

The connection between these languages was first reported in linguistic literature by Johann Anton Güldenstädt in his 1773 classification of the languages of the Caucasus. Zan is the branch that contains the Mingrelian and Laz languages.

No relationship with other languages, including the two North Caucasian language families, has been demonstrated so far.Some linguists, such as Tamaz V. Gamkrelidze have proposed that the Kartvelian family is part of a much larger Nostratic language family, but both the concept of a Nostratic family and Georgian's relation to it are not considered likely by linguists.

https://b.radikal.ru/b21/1801/80/ed1a87c07ff4.png (https://radikal.ru)

Certain grammatical similarities with Basque, especially in the case system, have often been pointed out.

The Georgian language has at least 18 dialects.

Svan (he also uses few Georgian words)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiyRaBOo9rQ

Mingrelian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5mO8vWRPo8

Laz (he talks with a slight Turkish accent cause a big majority of Lazs live in Turkey)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-WNHB4FEZA

Georgian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpU3ktOXQ_k

Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 01:49 PM
Mingrelian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uqp3uh7cKE

Svan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Hf7WZqU3M

Laz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yon-KfQBF-Q

Georgian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn76e33VNtY

black hole
01-21-2018, 01:54 PM
That is true that Kartvelian languages belong to the Nostratic and it is even close to Dravidian languages, and North Caucasian languages(Abkhaz, Awar, Chechen, Lezgin, Adyghe etc) belong to the big Dene-Caucasian family - Chinese, Burmese, Burushaski, Ket, Native American Dene etc. Even people in the North Caucasus do not feel any connections with Georgia.

Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 01:59 PM
That is true that Kartvelian languages belong to the Nostratic and it is even close to Dravidian languages, and North Caucasian languages(Abkhaz, Awar, Chechen, Lezgin, Adyghe etc) belong to the big Dene-Caucasian family - Chinese, Burmese, Burushaski, Ket, Native American Dene etc. Even people in the North Caucasus do not feel any connections with Georgia.

And how is it close to Dravidian?lol
Whether they ,,feel'' this connection or not Caucasian people are related to each other and Georgians are the truest Caucasians.

black hole
01-21-2018, 02:03 PM
And how is it close to Dravidian?lol




Take a look at this.


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d0/df/f2/d0dff27c091fb791fd386269947bc2f3.jpg

black hole
01-21-2018, 02:08 PM
Dené–Caucasian languages



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/DeneCaucasian.png

Hadouken
01-21-2018, 02:11 PM
And how is it close to Dravidian?lol
Whether they ,,feel'' this connection or not Caucasian people are related to each other and Georgians are the truest Caucasians.

prepare yourself for tamils claiming brotherhood with georgia :laugh:

black hole
01-21-2018, 02:11 PM
And how is it close to Dravidian?lol
Whether they ,,feel'' this connection or not Caucasian people are related to each other and Georgians are the truest Caucasians.



about "the truest Caucasians" is very debatable, because North Caucasians think otherwise, and Georgians are more South people, hence they are geographically more close to the Middle East.

Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 02:12 PM
Take a look at this.


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d0/df/f2/d0dff27c091fb791fd386269947bc2f3.jpg

So?
p.s. I know may North Caucasians who ,,feel'' very close to us but Georgia and its languages are unique and ancient. Georgian itself has Latin influence but Svan,Laz,Mingrelian are much older than Latin languages.

Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 02:16 PM
prepare yourself for tamils claiming brotherhood with georgia :laugh:

xD There are already many Indians coming to our country for studying and some even buy lands,Georgian citizens aren't very happy about it,but I personally prefer them to Arab muslims.

Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 02:34 PM
In Italy I was told that Georgian sounds like French :D I've also heard this from other foreigners.Svan really does sound like French a bit but not sure about Georgian,at least we have very different accents.

Bornoz
01-21-2018, 02:53 PM
Can you understand the Laz guy Nosferatu?

Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 02:58 PM
Can you understand the Laz guy Nosferatu?

It sounds a lot like Mingrelian and I know a few Mingrelian words so I understood several words

Dandelion
01-21-2018, 03:00 PM
Interesting how long ago languages like Svan and Mingrel/Laz split off into branches separate from Georgian. 3,000 BC, that's a very long time. How different are they then? Like Germanic versus Indo-Aryan different?

Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 03:13 PM
Interesting how long ago languages like Svan and Mingrel/Laz split off into branches separate from Georgian. 3,000 BC, that's a very long time. How different are they then? Like Germanic versus Indo-Aryan different?

Lazs and Mingrelians can understand each other but they can't understand Svan,Georgian is also very different from them and has Latin words,even some Germanic. For example ,,me'' in Georgian is also ,,me'' but pronounciation is a bit different, Soul_Suli, Cat_Kata, Chance_shansi, Mass_masa, Wine_gvino, sing_simgera ,,Mama'' is father and ,,Papa'' grandfather, ,,nu''(not) is also ,,nu'' in Georgian

Dandelion
01-21-2018, 03:19 PM
Lazs and Mingrelians can understand each other but they can't understand Svan,Georgian is also very different from them and has Latin words,even some Germanic. For example ,,me'' in Georgian is also ,,me'' but pronounciation is a bit different, Soul_Suli, Cat_Kata, Chance_shansi, Mass_masa, Wine_gvino, sing_simgera ,,Mama'' is father and ,,Papa'' grandfather

Geographical proximity. No surprises about Svan, Svaneti being as remote as it is. From what I've seen the road to their land is very tedious and uncomfortable (a derelict road near a mountain pass with rock avalanches).

black hole
01-21-2018, 03:22 PM
So?
p.s. I know may North Caucasians who ,,feel'' very close to us but Georgia and its languages are unique and ancient. Georgian itself has Latin influence but Svan,Laz,Mingrelian are much older than Latin languages.




North Caucasus languages are extremely archaic https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?52457-Caucasian-Avars-(people-in-south-russia)/page29&highlight=caucasian+avars

I do not know about cultural aspects between you.

Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 03:27 PM
Geographical proximity. No surprises about Svan, Svaneti being as remote as it is. From what I've seen the road to their land is very tedious and uncomfortable (a derelict road near a mountain pass with rock avalanches).

Yes Svaneti probably is the most isolated region in Georgia and Svans are considered to be the least mixed and ,,truest'' Georgians by blood,they live in severe conditions though but their nature and mountains are very beautiful(sadly I've never been there)

Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 03:41 PM
North Caucasus languages are extremely archaic https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?52457-Caucasian-Avars-(people-in-south-russia)/page29&highlight=caucasian+avars

I do not know about cultural aspects between you.

I'm not denying the fact that they are archaic.
Culturally Caucasians are very close to each other(clothes,music,dances are very similar) The main difference between them is the religion.Also Georgians are more ,,modernized'' than North Caucasians.

black hole
01-21-2018, 03:52 PM
I'm not denying the fact that they are archaic.
Culturally Caucasians are very close to each other(clothes,music,dances are very similar) The main difference between them is the religion.Also Georgians are more ,,modernized'' than North Caucasians.




Yes. Also between you have the same old paganist roots if you do not look at Islam and Christianity. North Caucasians do not want to be look like others or copy western style, they are proud of themselves and their uniqueness, and the modernization is not their prerogative in their life.

Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 04:12 PM
Yes. Also between you have the same old paganist roots if you do not look at Islam and Christianity. North Caucasians do not want to be look like others or copy western style, they are proud of themselves and their uniqueness, and the modernization is not their prerogative in their life.

Yes,we have rich pagan mythology and even though we're Christians(not me but majority of Georgians) we still have some pagan rituals even today,even among Christians,it's kinda mixed with Christianity,weird. Fortunately there are also many people in Georgia who aren't religious at all.

Nosferatu_
01-21-2018, 09:23 PM
A very cute, west Georgian,Gurian dialect :D They have so many foreign words that it's almost a language(also they mix it with Russian)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-XFzD6xzxg

user_
01-22-2018, 01:32 PM
about "the truest Caucasians" is very debatable, because North Caucasians think otherwise, and Georgians are more South people, hence they are geographically more close to the Middle East.

In Caucasus there is no South and North.
We have West and East. Phenotype of people, culture, landscapes change from East to West, not from North to South.
So West Georgia is the purest Caucasian region with 0 ME culture influence and pontid population.
Adygs could be on same level, but after ethnic cleansing there are few real Adygs and also they are mixed with Nogais.
West Georgia was isolated and kept unique culture better than any other region in Caucasus.

black hole
01-22-2018, 01:47 PM
In Caucasus there is no South and North.
We have West and East. Phenotype of people, culture, landscapes change from East to West, not from North to South.
So West Georgia is the purest Caucasian region with 0 ME culture influence and pontid population.
Adygs could be on same level, but after ethnic cleansing there are few real Adygs and also they are mixed with Nogais.
West Georgia was isolated and kept unique culture better than any other region in Caucasus.




Georgia was always under the Ottoman, Byzantine and Persian civilizations, and then under Russian, so you cannot say that "West Georgia was isolated and kept unique culture better than any other region in Caucasus". Even Ossetians are more purest ethnic group in the Caucasus than so-called "native Caucasians" Georgians.

Nosferatu_
01-22-2018, 01:54 PM
Georgia was always under the Ottoman, Byzantine and Persian civilizations, and then under Russian, so you cannot say that "West Georgia was isolated and kept unique culture better than any other region in Caucasus". Even Ossetians are more purest ethnic group in the Caucasus than so-called "native Caucasians" Georgians.

Wow thats already too much Bullshit.Do you at least know why white race is called Caucasian? Because of Georgians.


Caucasian variety – I have taken the name of this variety from Mount Caucasus, both because its neighborhood, and especially its southern slope, produces the most beautiful race of men, I mean the Georgian; and because all physiological reasons converge to this, that in that region, if anywhere, it seems we ought with the greatest probability to place the autochthones (original members) of mankind.[19] (c) Blumenbach

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

p.s. Georgians fought the Ottomans all their lives, and wasn't always under their influence.Georgia was also part of Roman Empire and early Georgian tribes are even in Greek mythology,also culture says it all.

Russian propaganda stronk,GeORGIANS aren't EuRoPean(although they're white and Christian)

user_
01-22-2018, 02:10 PM
Georgia was always under the Ottoman, Byzantine and Persian civilizations, and then under Russian, so you cannot say that "West Georgia was isolated and kept unique culture better than any other region in Caucasus". Even Ossetians are more purest ethnic group in the Caucasus than so-called "native Caucasians" Georgians.

West Georgia sometimes was under political influence of different empires, but there was no migration of people.
North East part of Turkey is influenced by Georgian culture, not the other way.
Ossets are very close to Georgians, so are Abkhazians.

Nosferatu_
01-22-2018, 02:13 PM
West Georgia sometimes was under political influence of different empires, but there was no migration of people.
North West part of Turkey is influenced by Georgian culture, not the other way.
Ossets are very close to Georgians, so are Abkhazians.

You mean Apsuas(A Circassian speaking N.Caucasian tribe).Abkhazians are Georgians.

p.s. Osettians are non distinguishable from Georgians,we have many Osettian people here so I know them very well. My ex was also half Osettian.But all this fights are very funny because all Caucasian people share almost the same culture and look the same.(Armenians is another case and Azeris aren't caucasians of course,they're Turkic)
But culturally Georgians were always influenced by western world more than N.caucasians,even now

user_
01-22-2018, 02:21 PM
You mean Apsuas(A Circassian speaking N.Caucasian tribe).Abkhazians are Georgians.

I mean people who live in Abkhazia today and call themselves Abkhazians. You cant make difference between them and Georgians.
Only difference is that, they are under russian rule, wild and uncivilized as many other caucasian groups in Russia.

Nosferatu_
01-22-2018, 02:30 PM
I mean people who live in Abkhazia today and call themselves Abkhazians. You cant make difference between them and Georgians.
Only difference is that, they are under russian rule, wild and uncivilized as many other caucasian groups in Russia.

Traitor Apsuas shouldn't call themselves Abkhazians though.We made them live in our lands and they thanked by making Abkhazia ,,independent''(controlled by Russia).
Of course you can't make difference between us(if physically speaking) As much as I know majority of them have Georgian surnames ending with ,,ya,ua,va'' etc. They're just Mingrelians mixed with Apsuas

Nosferatu_
01-22-2018, 02:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBVb4jDd2BM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-ziyRoYe0o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcR-AZUNPA

black hole
01-22-2018, 02:58 PM
I mean people who live in Abkhazia today and call themselves Abkhazians. You cant make difference between them and Georgians.
Only difference is that, they are under russian rule, wild and uncivilized as many other caucasian groups in Russia.




First of all, what a brave Georgian you are, talking about wild and uncivilized ethnic Caucasian groups in Russia. Do those Caucasian members know in this forum, that a Georgian is spreading gossips behind their back? I remember, in this forum was a member from Caucasus, did he know what you thought about his folk? I could say he would disappointed on you after reading your opinion. That's a very modest behavior from you, civilized Georgian. ;)

Secondly, Russian presence in Georgia means your wild mountain folks have been civilized for many years, Russians build infrastructure and took your folk out of the mountain caves. Russians helped you against Ottomans and Persians, you are very unthankful people.

And the last. What did you invent or contribute to the world? At least I can admit that you can invent grandiose Georgian tales how they are white and how their neighbore folks are wild and inferior and you can make a good wine, and nothing else

Nosferatu_
01-22-2018, 03:12 PM
First of all, what a brave Georgian you are, talking about wild and uncivilized ethnic Caucasian groups in Russia. Do those Caucasian members know in this forum, that a Georgian is spreading gossips behind their back? I remember, in this forum was a member from Caucasus, did he know what you thought about his folk? I could say he would disappointed on you after reading your opinion. That's a very modest behavior from you, civilized Georgian. ;)

Secondly, Russian presence in Georgia means your wild mountain folks have been civilized for many years, Russians build infrastructure and took your folk out of the mountain caves. Russians helped you against Ottomans and Persians, you are very unthankful people.

And the last. What did you invent or contribute to the world? At least I can admit that you can invent grandiose Georgian tales how they are white and how their neighbore folks are wild and inferior and you can make a good wine, and nothing else

I don't know many people from N.Caucasus and I don't think they'e wild and uncivilized(except for some Apsuas who rape children there and act & think like cavemen) but dude you're wrong,where were Russian tribes when we had Colchis and Kingdom of Iberia.I hope you know that Georgian civilization is much older than Russian(although our economic sucks today and we're not doing very well but Russia also isn't paradise,it's hell for many Russians) Talking about whiteness again? :picard2: Whiteness isn't something a man should be proud of imho.Those Georgian neo-nazis are just a bunch of brainless teens.Btw it's not us who said that we have the oldest and greatest wine,it's scientifically proven :rolleyes:

black hole
01-22-2018, 03:15 PM
I don't know many people from N.Caucasus and I don't think they'e wild and uncivilized(except some Apsuas who rape children there and act think like cavemen) but dude you're wrong,where were Russian tribes when we had Colchis and Kingdom of Iberia.I hope you know that Georgian civilization is much older than Russian(although our economic sucks today and we're not doing very well but Russia also isn't paradise,it's hell for many Russians) Talking about whiteness again? :picard2: Whiteness isn't something a man should be proud of imho. Btw it's not us who said that we have the oldest and greatest wine,it's scientifically proven :rolleyes:




are you _user? Or _user is not capable to speak for himself?

user_
01-22-2018, 03:23 PM
First of all, what a brave Georgian you are, talking about wild and uncivilized ethnic Caucasian groups in Russia. Do those Caucasian members know in this forum, that a Georgian is spreading gossips behind their back? I remember, in this forum was a member from Caucasus, did he know what you thought about his folk? I could say he would disappointed on you after reading your opinion. That's a very modest behavior from you, civilized Georgian. ;)

Secondly, Russian presence in Georgia means your wild mountain folks have been civilized for many years, Russians build infrastructure and took your folk out of the mountain caves. Russians helped you against Ottomans and Persians, you are very unthankful people.

And the last. What did you invent or contribute to the world? At least I can admit that you can invent grandiose Georgian tales how they are white and how their neighbore folks are wild and inferior and you can make a good wine, and nothing else

Firstly, this is not a big secret, that North Caucasus is mired in to corruption, criminal and nepotism. Russian government supports powerful clans not the people. Kremlin do not need educated and modern people in NC, they need tribal system, cause its easier to manipulate.

Secondly my folks were writing books and building academies, when your folks where siting on the trees escaping from wild animals.

Nosferatu_
01-22-2018, 03:23 PM
are you _user? Or _user is not capable to speak for himself?

Sorry but it's a public discussion not a private chat,so I thought I might interfere раз уж речь идёт о моей стране.
p.s. Russians betrayed us many times instead of helping.

LezginMBD
03-24-2018, 11:18 AM
These delusional gurjis make me laugh. North Caucasus is the biggest nation in lands mass in the Caucasus ok. You are insignifcant nation of 4 million people. Plus we defeated you in 1993 and again in 2008. And we have zero relation to you culturally. To me you are no different than an armenian or an azeri.

klarji
07-17-2018, 10:03 PM
Wonderful theme trollad by Russians.

So I will continue..
One of the ancient dialects of Georgian (Kartuli)
https://youtu.be/_UcF250Abo0

klarji
07-17-2018, 10:08 PM
These delusional gurjis make me laugh. North Caucasus is the biggest nation in lands mass in the Caucasus ok. You are insignifcant nation of 4 million people. Plus we defeated you in 1993 and again in 2008. And we have zero relation to you culturally. To me you are no different than an armenian or an azeri.

Georgians are maximum 2 million.
Whats about you, you are Ossetian that nobody consider you Caucasian as you are Iranic non Caucasian nomads traitors of all Caucasians and slaves of all empires.
You are ashame of your origin as you write as "Chechen" loved technic of Ossetian clowns to make Caucasians hate each other

LezginMBD
07-20-2018, 05:08 PM
Georgians are maximum 2 million.
Whats about you, you are Ossetian that nobody consider you Caucasian as you are Iranic non Caucasian nomads traitors of all Caucasians and slaves of all empires.
You are ashame of your origin as you write as "Chechen" loved technic of Ossetian clowns to make Caucasians hate each other

How do you know that I am Ossetian? I am North Caucasian patriot period.

klarji
10-07-2018, 09:09 AM
How do you know that I am Ossetian? I am North Caucasian patriot period.

At first my North Caucasian "brother".
We Georgians are from South-West Caucasian language family and the closest relatives we have are Lazes, Mingrelians, Svans and Meskhians.
Whats about North Caucasians those among them who dont want to have connection with aboriginal peoples of the South-West Caucasians can hit the road far away.
Though I am not going to discuss this question with Russians (whose imperialistic purpose is not to give Caucasian peoples be united but on the contrary they want Caucasians to be enemies especcially with Georgians who have their independent state not controled by Russians. Russian lingustic school and its fairy-tales are not recognized by the world science) and with doubtful "North Caucasian" who is "a Lezgin by birth but a Chechen by choice."

The theme is about South-west Caucasian (Kartvelian) languages. You can guess that you can shit out of these theme.
You have nothing in common neither with Chechen not with Lezgins.
You are an Ossetian or an Abkhazian.
The two nations in the Caucasus who try to butter anybody up with hope that this "anobody" will fight and save them.
Russians, Chechens, Lezgings, Avars, Turks... etc who is that to whom you haven't made up yet?
I am from Eastern Georgia. Chechens and Ingushis are our neighbours and a lot of them live here in Georgia. I can calm you down. They spit on you both - Abkazians or Ossetians.
The only Chechens who will come to save your asses from Svans are Kremlim slaves like those that were fried by Ukrainians in 2014.

klarji
10-07-2018, 09:13 AM
I will continue

Georgian song in Ingiloy dialect


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpgZRcDb0ac

klarji
10-07-2018, 09:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDJTT13nT38

Georgian song in literature Georgian with Khevsurian dialect influence :eyes

klarji
10-07-2018, 09:36 AM
Archaic variant of Georgian language (Tush dialect from Tusheti region)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S7OOlgQKxk

klarji
10-07-2018, 09:46 AM
Typical lil Mingrelian speaking Mingrelian language :smilie_liebe9:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oX9x1LsSp4

LezginMBD
11-29-2018, 01:25 PM
At first my North Caucasian "brother".
We Georgians are from South-West Caucasian language family and the closest relatives we have are Lazes, Mingrelians, Svans and Meskhians.
Whats about North Caucasians those among them who dont want to have connection with aboriginal peoples of the South-West Caucasians can hit the road far away.
Though I am not going to discuss this question with Russians (whose imperialistic purpose is not to give Caucasian peoples be united but on the contrary they want Caucasians to be enemies especcially with Georgians who have their independent state not controled by Russians. Russian lingustic school and its fairy-tales are not recognized by the world science) and with doubtful "North Caucasian" who is "a Lezgin by birth but a Chechen by choice."

The theme is about South-west Caucasian (Kartvelian) languages. You can guess that you can shit out of these theme.
You have nothing in common neither with Chechen not with Lezgins.
You are an Ossetian or an Abkhazian.
The two nations in the Caucasus who try to butter anybody up with hope that this "anobody" will fight and save them.
Russians, Chechens, Lezgings, Avars, Turks... etc who is that to whom you haven't made up yet?
I am from Eastern Georgia. Chechens and Ingushis are our neighbours and a lot of them live here in Georgia. I can calm you down. They spit on you both - Abkazians or Ossetians.
The only Chechens who will come to save your asses from Svans are Kremlim slaves like those that were fried by Ukrainians in 2014.

You are one deluded idiot. We North Caucasians have nothing to do, or in common with you. It is you who have pretenses to establish a connection with us. The Confederation will fuck you again if you act up mark my words. And you still occupy North Caucasian lands in Tushet, which will also be liberated.

user_
11-29-2018, 05:29 PM
You are one deluded idiot. We North Caucasians have nothing to do, or in common with you. It is you who have pretenses to establish a connection with us. The Confederation will fuck you again if you act up mark my words. And you still occupy North Caucasian lands in Tushet, which will also be liberated.

North Caucasus will be liberated from Russia, and Georgia as a big brother will help you to become an independent nations.
Dagestan and Chechnya will be independent states. Central and west Caucasian republics, like Ingushetia, Ossetia and others are welcome to confederation with the center Tbilisi.

LezginMBD
11-29-2018, 06:38 PM
North Caucasus will be liberated from Russia, and Georgia as a big brother will help you to become an independent nations.
Dagestan and Chechnya will be independent states. Central and west Caucasian republics, like Ingushetia, Ossetia and others are welcome to confederation with the center Tbilisi.

You are a delusional Kartvelian rat. Your shitty military has been defeated in 1993(by the North Caucasus Confederation) and again in 2008. You are in no position to dictate anything. Our country runs from Black Sea to Caspian, never forget that.

Noxv
11-29-2018, 07:39 PM
North Caucasus will be liberated from Russia, and Georgia as a big brother will help you to become an independent nations.
Dagestan and Chechnya will be independent states. Central and west Caucasian republics, like Ingushetia, Ossetia and others are welcome to confederation with the center Tbilisi.

Why would Ingushetia join a confederation with Georgia? they are Nakh and should join their fellow brothers instead of assimilating into the Georgian nation (like many Nakh peoples have done in the past).



You are a delusional Kartvelian rat. Your shitty military has been defeated in 1993(by the North Caucasus Confederation) and again in 2008. You are in no position to dictate anything. Our country runs from Black Sea to Caspian, never forget that.

If you were a "Chechen by choice" then you would never have considered Imam Shamil a hero.

LezginMBD
11-29-2018, 07:43 PM
Why would Ingushetia join a confederation with Georgia? they are Nakh and should join their fellow brothers instead of assimilating into the Georgian nation (like many Nakh peoples have done in the past).




If you were a "Chechen by choice" then you would never have considered Imam Shamil a hero.

You misunderstand, originally he was good, but towards the end he was bad I agree with you. We must stand up for our country and defeat those who wish to destroy us, and make no mistake these kartvelian scumbags are not your friends or mine either.

Noxv
11-29-2018, 07:51 PM
You misunderstand, originally he was good, but towards the end he was bad I agree with you. We must stand up for our country and defeat those who wish to destroy us, and make no mistake these kartvelian scumbags are not your friends or mine either.

Imam Shamil was a selfish dictator that tricked my people into believing that he would fight until the end. He acted like a king all the time and killed those who were opposed to his ideas.

Why do you consider yourself Chechen? you are Lezghin, be proud of that. Chechens and Lezghins are brothers but not the same people.

LezginMBD
11-29-2018, 07:53 PM
Imam Shamil was a selfish dictator that tricked my people into believing that he would fight until the end. He acted like a king all the time and killed those who were opposed to his ideas.

Why do you consider yourself Chechen? you are Lezghin, be proud of that. Chechens and Lezghins are brothers but not the same people.

Our ancestors spilled the same blood in the same mud, we have a common origin, common culture, common religion.

Noxv
11-29-2018, 08:01 PM
Our ancestors spilled the same blood in the same mud, we have a common origin, common culture, common religion.

We are brothers yes but not the same people. Lezgins are Lezgins and Chechens are Chechens. If we united then what language would we speak? Russian? Arabic?

LezginMBD
11-29-2018, 08:06 PM
We are brothers yes but not the same people. Lezgins are Lezgins and Chechens are Chechens. If we united then what language would we speak? Russian? Arabic?

Chechen ofcourse

Noxv
11-29-2018, 08:14 PM
Chechen ofcourse

So you want to be assimilated into the Chechen culture? are you a Turkish Lezgin? because sometimes those who live abroad think we are one united people but the north Caucasus is extremely diverse, we have customs and traditions that the Lezgin dont have.

LezginMBD
11-29-2018, 08:17 PM
So you want to be assimilated into the Chechen culture? are you a Turkish Lezgin? because sometimes those who live abroad think we are one united people but the north Caucasus is extremely diverse, we have customs and traditions that the Lezgin dont have.

Listen I would rather have my children speak Chechen, than to speak Russian or Arabic which are not the native languages of this great land. And no I am from Derbent area. And we used to be a united country by the way.

Noxv
11-29-2018, 08:23 PM
Listen I would rather have my children speak Chechen, than to speak Russian or Arabic which are not the native languages of this great land. And no I am from Derbent area. And we used to be a united country by the way.

You are from Derbent? have you been to Chechnya? and which united country are you referring to?

LezginMBD
11-29-2018, 08:27 PM
You are from Derbent? have you been to Chechnya? and which united country are you referring to?

So Derbent era yu, so khilan Argun war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountainous_Republic_of_the_Northern_Caucasus

Noxv
11-29-2018, 08:32 PM
So Derbent era yu, so khilan Argun war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountainous_Republic_of_the_Northern_Caucasus

ho yo1 yu? and yeah i heard of that republic.

LezginMBD
11-29-2018, 08:35 PM
ho yo1 yu? and yeah i heard of that republic.

ha. If we can get that back again we would the most powerful country in the Caucasus both economically and militarily. And since our brothers are kicking arses at UFC we can put our unified country on the map again.

Noxv
11-29-2018, 08:38 PM
ha. If we can get that back again we would the most powerful country in the Caucasus both economically and militarily. And since our brothers are kicking arses at UFC we can put our unified country on the map again.

hmm ok, i will message you and we can talk there.

user_
11-29-2018, 08:59 PM
Why would Ingushetia join a confederation with Georgia? they are Nakh and should join their fellow brothers instead of assimilating into the Georgian nation (like many Nakh peoples have done in the past).

I'm not telling they should be in confederation with Georgia, they are just welcomed.
Ingushs are the closest nation to Georgians, after Ossetians and Abkhazians.

Noxv
11-29-2018, 09:01 PM
I'm not telling they should be in confederation with Georgia, they are just welcomed.
Ingushs are the closest nation to Georgians, after Ossetians and Abkhazians.

Closest how? as in good relations?

LezginMBD
11-29-2018, 09:06 PM
Closest how? as in good relations?

You are wasting time with this kartvelian, they are living in the past and think they are going to re-establish "kingdom of georgia".

user_
11-29-2018, 09:11 PM
Closest how? as in good relations?

Yes, we have very good relations.

LezginMBD
11-29-2018, 09:14 PM
Yes, we have very good relations.

Somehow i doubt that. I can see through your gurj horseshit. You are a defeated nation just like in 1993(By the North Caucasian hands) and again by those slavic cocksuckers in 2008. You are not related to North Caucasians, you closest relatives are Laz in turkey.

user_
11-29-2018, 09:23 PM
Somehow i doubt that. I can see through your gurj horseshit. You are a defeated nation just like in 1993(By the North Caucasian hands) and again by those slavic cocksuckers in 2008. You are not related to North Caucasians, you closest relatives are Laz in turkey.

Georgia is not defeated. It is a free nation, while you are sucking Putin's cock.

black hole
11-29-2018, 09:35 PM
Georgia is not defeated. It is a free nation, while you are sucking Putin's cock.



Although, it is not my business of your Caucasus affairs, but let me ask you.




were you not sucking Obama's black cock?
08.08.08 :)

user_
11-29-2018, 09:44 PM
Although, it is not my business of your Caucasus affairs, but let me ask you.




were you not sucking Obama's black cock?
08.08.08 :)

Nope. We are allies with USA.
Sucking someone's cock is when you get russki governer in Dagestan.

black hole
11-29-2018, 09:49 PM
Nope. We are allies with USA.
Sucking someone's cock is when you get russki governer in Dagestan.



A Russian can better handle problems. Dagestan was full of corruption according to local peoples. You are allies with hypocrite USA, sooner or later they will betray you.

user_
11-29-2018, 10:04 PM
A Russian can better handle problems. Dagestan was full of corruption according to local peoples. You are allies with hypocrite USA, sooner or later they will betray you.

How can Russia handle corruption and criminal in Dagestan, when Russia itself is very corrupted country?
When we had russian governers here in Georgia, this country was one of the most corrupted.
Today we don't have even diplomatic relations with Russia and Georgia is the one of least corrupted country in Eastern Europe and lest corrupted among ex USSR republics after Estonia.

black hole
11-29-2018, 10:10 PM
How can Russia handle corruption and criminal in Dagestan, when Russia itself is very corrupted country?
When we had russian governers here in Georgia, this country was one of the most corrupted.
Today we don't have even diplomatic relations with Russia and Georgia is the one of least corrupted country in Eastern Europe and lest corrupted among ex USSR republics after Estonia.




it is because your corrupted compatriots left Georgia and moved to Europe, and there they started their corrupted business as criminals. Could you please take your criminals back to Georgia? We do not want them here in Russia.

user_
11-29-2018, 10:16 PM
it is because your corrupted compatriots left Georgia and moved to Europe, and there they started their corrupted business as criminals. Could you please take your criminals back to Georgia? We do not want them here in Russia.

Russia is heaven for criminal, that's why they went there. If they come here in Georgia, they will be arrested.
All corrupted leaders like Abashidze (ex governer of Adjara), or Yanukovich (ex president of Ukraine) they found shelter in Russia. Russian lifestyle is very familiar for them.

black hole
11-29-2018, 10:17 PM
Russia is heaven for criminal, that's why they went there. If they come here in Georgia, they will be arrested.
All corrupted leaders like Abashidze (ex governer of Adjara), or Yanukovich (ex president of Ukraine) they found shelter in Russia. Russian lifestyle is very familiar for them.




take them back.

LezginMBD
11-30-2018, 10:26 AM
[QUOTE=user_;5624780]Georgia is not defeated. It is a free nation, while you are sucking Putin's cock.[/Q

Putin sucks Kadyrovs cock and everyone knows it. You on the other hand suck zionist and yankee cock on a daily basis.

LezginMBD
11-30-2018, 10:28 AM
How can Russia handle corruption and criminal in Dagestan, when Russia itself is very corrupted country?
When we had russian governers here in Georgia, this country was one of the most corrupted.
Today we don't have even diplomatic relations with Russia and Georgia is the one of least corrupted country in Eastern Europe and lest corrupted among ex USSR republics after Estonia.

Georgia is not Eastern Europe, the North Caucasus is. You wish you were us thats why you want to incorporate our lands. But keep dreaming that pipe dream, your country is defeated and you know it. Dont believe it? Try it and we will fucking destroy you like we did in 1993.

user_
11-30-2018, 10:36 AM
Georgia is not Eastern Europe, the North Caucasus is. You wish you were us thats why you want to incorporate our lands. But keep dreaming that pipe dream, your country is defeated and you know it. Dont believe it? Try it and we will fucking destroy you like we did in 1993.

If Dagestan and Kalmykia is Eastern Europe, than Georgia is Western Europe, compared to Dagestan and Kalmykia lol
But don't be worry, European influences and civilization will come to your land also via Georgia.

LezginMBD
11-30-2018, 10:40 AM
If Dagestan and Kalmykia is Eastern Europe, than Georgia is Western Europe, compared to Dagestan and Kalmykia lol
But don't be worry, European influences and civilization will come to your land also via Georgia.

You are middle eastern trash. And you are very delusional that you think that you can occupy my country, you will be in a world of rude awakening.

user_
11-30-2018, 10:56 AM
You are middle eastern trash. And you are very delusional that you think that you can occupy my country, you will be in a world of rude awakening.

I do not want to occupy Dagestan. Very problematic republic, you should solve your problems yourself. We can be friends if you want.
But central and western north Caucasians like Adigs and Ossetians are welcome to confederation.

Look what your fellow Dagestanis think about Georgia after they traveled there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0uyLYFY1UA




Грузия: больше Европа, чем Кавказ

В последнее время среди дагестанцев особенно популярны поездки в солнечную Грузию.

Страна, в которой, если вы изрядно выпили и не желаете садиться за руль своей машины, спокойно вызываете патруль полиции, заранее предупредив, что не хотите создавать аварийные ситуации на дороге, и в благодарность за такое поведение полицейские абсолютно бесплатно доставляют вас и автомобиль к вашему дому. О том, чем еще может удивить нас Грузия, расскажет корреспондент газеты «Истина» Мадина Гаджимаева.

https://md-gazeta.ru/obshhestvo/9715

LezginMBD
11-30-2018, 11:00 AM
I do not want to occupy Dagestan. Very problematic republic, you should solve your problems yourself. We can be friends if you want.
But central and western north Caucasians like Adigs and Ossetians are welcome to confederation.

Look what your fellow Dagestanis think about Georgia after they traveled there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0uyLYFY1UA




Грузия: больше Европа, чем Кавказ

В последнее время среди дагестанцев особенно популярны поездки в солнечную Грузию.

Страна, в которой, если вы изрядно выпили и не желаете садиться за руль своей машины, спокойно вызываете патруль полиции, заранее предупредив, что не хотите создавать аварийные ситуации на дороге, и в благодарность за такое поведение полицейские абсолютно бесплатно доставляют вас и автомобиль к вашему дому. О том, чем еще может удивить нас Грузия, расскажет корреспондент газеты «Истина» Мадина Гаджимаева.

https://md-gazeta.ru/obshhestvo/9715

Cheap propaganda and I highly doubt your pathetic dreams will come true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsYpy-ICpRE

user_
11-30-2018, 11:30 AM
Cheap propaganda and I highly doubt your pathetic dreams will come true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsYpy-ICpRE

Chechen vlogger talking about his experience in Georgia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmFqSIMAEq0

LezginMBD
11-30-2018, 11:37 AM
Chechen vlogger talking about his experience in Georgia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmFqSIMAEq0

Alright, what makes you think us North Caucasians want to be part of Georgia? We have ZERO in common with you guys. But, if it makes you feel any better you have more chance of creating greater Georgia with Armenia than you do with us. You guys don't look that much different from Armenians and you share more cultural and historical similarity with them, than you do with me or my countrymen by far.

user_
11-30-2018, 11:47 AM
Alright, what makes you think us North Caucasians want to be part of Georgia? We have ZERO in common with you guys. But, if it makes you feel any better you have more chance of creating greater Georgia with Armenia than you do with us. You guys don't look that much different from Armenians and you share more cultural and historical similarity with them, than you do with me or my countrymen by far.

Well, Georgia and Armenia are slowly moving to confederation. It is a fact. We are making Caucasian analogue of EU. Goal of Georgia is to create a safe belt around us. Georgia as central Caucasian nation can unite all parts of Caucasus. Tbilisi always was and is main city in the region, where all Caucasian nations interact with each other.

LezginMBD
11-30-2018, 11:51 AM
Well, Georgia and Armenia are slowly moving to confederation. It is a fact. We are making Caucasian analogue of EU. Goal of Georgia is to create a safe belt around us. Georgia as central Caucasian nation can unite all parts of Caucasus. Tbilisi always was and is main city in the region, where all Caucasian nations interact with each other.

You are not the central part of the region im sorry to break it you. That position of title belongs to the North Caucasus Republics, as we are bigger in land mass and are more population, and economically more powerful than Georgia. And the North Caucasus already is defacto unified anyway, with the central position of that unification centered in Groznyy, not T'bilisi. I have no problem with you creating a "safetybelt", but if you think that you can do that at the expense of the North Caucasus Republics, than you are sorely mistaken, as we have no interest in your "bufferzone".

user_
11-30-2018, 12:01 PM
You are not the central part of the region im sorry to break it you. That position of title belongs to the North Caucasus Republics, as we are bigger in land mass and are more population, and economically more powerful than Georgia. And the North Caucasus already is defacto unified anyway, with the central position of that unification centered in Groznyy, not T'bilisi. I have no problem with you creating a "safetybelt", but if you think that you can do that at the expense of the North Caucasus Republics, than you are sorely mistaken, as we no interest in your "bufferzone".

Grozny can be a center for north eastern Caucasus. But for Ossetians Tbilisi is much closer. When Russia leaves Caucasus, Ossetins will be the first nation that will integrate in to Georgia. Same for Abkhazs.

LezginMBD
11-30-2018, 12:04 PM
Grozny can be a center for north eastern Caucasus. But for Ossetians Tbilisi is much closer. When Russia leaves Caucasus, Ossetins will be the first nation that will integrate in to Georgia. Same for Abkhazs.

The Abkhaz and the South Ossetian(I think you meant South Ossetia when you mentioned "Ossetians"), are not interested in returning to Georgia, that ship has sailed. And you are in no position to dictate any terms about the Northwest Caucasus as that is a firmly piece of the North Caucasus territory.

user_
11-30-2018, 12:11 PM
The Abkhaz and the South Ossetian(I think you meant South Ossetia when you mentioned "Ossetians"), are not interested in returning to Georgia, that ship has sailed. And you are in no position to dictate any terms about the Northwest Caucasus as that is a firmly piece of the North Caucasus territory.

I meant North Ossetia. They are our brothers, we share a lot of things, culture, religion, mixed families etc. The only reason we have conflict with Abkhazs and Ossetians is the Russian military bases. Russia uses those breakaway regions to slow downs Georgia's integration in to EU and NATO.

LezginMBD
11-30-2018, 12:16 PM
I meant North Ossetia. They are our brothers, we share a lot of things, culture, religion, mixed families etc. The only reason we have conflict with Abkhazs and Ossetians is the Russian military bases. Russia uses those breakaway regions to slow downs Georgia's integration in to EU and NATO.

North Ossetia-Alania was never part of your country and never will be. South Ossetia on the other hand had enough of you and left along with Abkhazia. Do you seriously want a repeat of 1992-1993? I urge you to talk to any Abkhaz and tell them what you told me, and I can say that are not in agreement with you on your statement.

LezginMBD
11-30-2018, 12:17 PM
bump

user_
11-30-2018, 12:40 PM
North Ossetia-Alania was never part of your country and never will be. South Ossetia on the other hand had enough of you and left along with Abkhazia. Do you seriously want a repeat of 1992-1993? I urge you to talk to any Abkhaz and tell them what you told me, and I can say that are not in agreement with you on your statement.

Well maybe Alanya was not part of Georgia, but it was under Georgian protectorate, also southern part of Nord Osetia- Didoeti, was part of Georgian Kingdom. Ossetians played a huge role in Georgian history, like Abkhazs. Central Georgia the Kartli region is heavily mixed with Ossetians.

LezginMBD
11-30-2018, 12:54 PM
Well maybe Alanya was not part of Georgia, but it was under Georgian protectorate, also southern part of Nord Osetia- Didoeti, was part of Georgian Kingdom. Ossetians played a huge role in Georgian history, like Abkhazs. Central Georgia the Kartli region is heavily mixed with Ossetians.

You are living in the past man, move on with your lives. North Caucasus Republics have no interest whatsoever being part of Georgia in any fashion.

klarji
12-02-2018, 01:46 PM
Shit
Dont troll the thread
Itz about Kartvelian languages and not about vatniks of North Caucasian origin
Fuck out

klarji
12-02-2018, 02:08 PM
After Georgia is fully free
We will free our relatives in the occupied North Caucasus
Vatniks can and even to have to write "e e e... Georgians have nothing in common with Ingushians, I am true Ingush Valodka and we are patriotic Russ... North Caucasians (aka tru Russia), good dreams but reality is not such sweet for vatniks.

We - Korts, Svans, Mingrelians - united ourselves.
Meskhians and Lazes and other our relative people will in future with us together.

Its mean that Russian vatniks will have to take their vatas and ushankas and go home

LezginMBD
12-02-2018, 03:40 PM
After Georgia is fully free
We will free our relatives in the occupied North Caucasus
Vatniks can and even to have to write "e e e... Georgians have nothing in common with Ingushians, I am true Ingush Valodka and we are patriotic Russ... North Caucasians (aka tru Russia), good dreams but reality is not such sweet for vatniks.

We - Korts, Svans, Mingrelians - united ourselves.
Meskhians and Lazes and other our relative people will in future with us together.

Its mean that Russian vatniks will have to take their vatas and ushankas and go home

You are not going to do anything, bring it we will wipe the floor with you like we did in 1993 and 2008.

klarji
12-02-2018, 03:46 PM
You are not going to do anything, bring it we will wipe the floor with you like we did in 1993 and 2008.

We fucked you in 1993 and 2008
Your purpose is to control the whole Caucasus
You control it but Tbilisi is still free
Thats why you are in panic and make histeric - Georgians and Chechens have nothing in common

Chechens, you are good guys. Dont fuck us again dont be like Georgians


Ahaha

Kavkaz-Kavkaz-Kavkaz

LezginMBD
12-02-2018, 03:47 PM
We fucked you in 1993 and 2008
Your purpose is to control the whole Caucasus
You control is but Tbilisi is still free
Thats why you are in panic and make histeric - Georgians and Chechens have nothing in common

Chechens, you are good guys. Dont fuck us again dont be like Georgians


Ahaha

Kavkaz-Kavkaz-Kavkaz

You are in denial. You got your arses handed to you ok, dont fuck with North Caucasian people.

klarji
12-02-2018, 03:50 PM
You are in denial. You got your arses handed to you ok, dont fuck with North Caucasian people.

Caucasus is one and you know it well
After South Caucasus especially Georgia is free North Caucasus will be free also

You have no chanse to separate us from each other
You can make your empiral politics to divide us rule us but evilness will be defeated

LezginMBD
12-02-2018, 03:53 PM
Caucasus is one and you know it well
After South Caucasus especially Georgia is free North Caucasus will be free also

You have no chanse to separate us from each other
You can make your empiral politics to divide us rule us but evilness will be defeated

You clearly have some kind of mental illness, you dont know that you already been defeated by us, you will surely know if you try it the third time. Dont test us. Move on with your lives while you still can.

klarji
12-02-2018, 03:58 PM
You clearly have some kind of mental illness, you dont know that you already been defeated by us, you will surely
know if you try it the third time. Dont test us. Move on with your lives while you still can.

Tbilisi is free still my friend
And you dont control the region Caucasus while Tbilisi is free
And every year North Caucasian linguistics are in Tbilisi discussing Caucasian languages culture and history.
You have no chance to control and Tbilisi and conquer us again. And it means we will have nfluence on our conquered brothers
Ahahaha
And it means you will be fucked of the region you tortured for 3+ centuries

LezginMBD
12-02-2018, 04:03 PM
Tbilisi is free still my friend
And you dont control the region Caucasus while Tbilisi is free
And every year North Caucasian linguistics are in Tbilisi discussing Caucasian languages culture and history.
You have no chance to control and Tbilisi and conquer us again. And it means we will have nfluence on our conquered brothers
Ahahaha
And it means you will be fucked of the region you tortured for 3+ centuries

You think I am russian?? You are really mentally insane.

klarji
12-02-2018, 04:36 PM
You think I am russian?? You are really mentally insane.


I dont care who you are
I care that Tbilisi is still free
The only uncontrol capital where Russian army is not
Its enough man
If "Lezgin" has no businnes to fight in sutiation when Caucasus is being assimilated, Dagestan is rulled by Russian governor, local languages are banned with Svans and Korts its mean Russian vatnik

Dont tell me here fairy-tales about how Lezgins hate Mingrelians
The last thing that Lezgins do is to hate Kartvelian peoples

So Valodka login in by reall account "Slavsya Rossija naveki"

Lmao

Babak
12-02-2018, 04:46 PM
I dont care who you are
I care that Tbilisi is still free
The only uncontrol capital where Russian army is not
Its enough man
If "Lezgin" has no businnes to fight in sutiation when Caucasus is being assimilated, Dagestan is rulled by Russian governor, local languages are banned with Svans and Korts its mean Russian vatnik

Dont tell me here fairy-tales about how Lezgins hate Mingrelians
The last thing that Lezgins do is to hate Kartvelian peoples

So Valodka login in by reall account "Slavsya Rossija naveki"

Lmao

This is why russia has to control the caucases because none of you get along with each other

LezginMBD
12-02-2018, 05:00 PM
This is why russia has to control the caucases because none of you get along with each other

Fuck the georgians really...

klarji
12-02-2018, 05:01 PM
This is why russia has to control the caucases because none of you get along with each other

The guy is not Lezgin
I am a student of Caucasoligy and know Caucasian peoples very well
Especially North Caucasian + South West Caucasian (aka Kartvelians)

Russia try to separate North Caucasus people from each other and the federation did it

Nakh peoples especially Ingushians and Ossetians are enemies
Abkhazo-Adygheans - Circassians and Abazas and Karachay-Balkars are enemies
They try to make troubles between Kumyks and Avars
Now between Chechens and Ingushians
But when they hear Tbilisi that they dont control they begin trying to oppoze Georgia whole North Caucasus, so called Russian Caucasus to.make Georgia and Russian Caucasus Republic not to have connection with each other

They are afraid of the theory that Caucasian languages are related and all Caucasians are from one ancestors

In Russian "official" science the theory is banned (in russia there are no different schools or Scientist. If you work in the Institute you have to have official view like in SSSR)

klarji
12-02-2018, 05:11 PM
Fuck the georgians really...


Ok
Now can we discuss about Kartvelian languages? Are you going to shit out of the thread?

LezginMBD
12-02-2018, 05:12 PM
Ok
Now can we discuss about Kartvelian languages? Are you going to shit out of the thread?

Are you going to accept defeat and accept that North Caucasians are your masters?

klarji
12-02-2018, 05:22 PM
Are you going to accept defeat and accept that North Caucasians are your masters?

My closest friends are North Caucasians
Dont waste time
You will not make troubles here between us and many our closest peoples that live in the North Caucasus

Valodka, dont behave here like an idiot

LezginMBD
12-02-2018, 05:40 PM
My closest friends are North Caucasians
Dont waste time
You will not make troubles here between us and many our closest peoples that live in the North Caucasus

Valodka, dont behave here like an idiot

I am a Lezgin you gurji idiot.

LezginMBD
12-02-2018, 05:46 PM
They are afraid of the theory that Caucasian languages are related and all Caucasians are from one ancestors


"The Kartvelian languages including Georgian and Laz, once known as South Caucasian, are no longer considered genetically related to the North Caucasian languages and are classed as an independent language family."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Caucasian_languages


We are not related with you get over it.

klarji
12-02-2018, 06:14 PM
"The Kartvelian languages including Georgian and Laz, once known as South Caucasian, are no longer considered genetically related to the North Caucasian languages and are classed as an independent language family."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Caucasian_languages


We are not related with you get over it.
Tell me linguistic that "proved" it? Only Russian names and maybe one German

What da fuck you show me google posts?,

I read every day Caucadology work including of North Caucasian centers

klarji
12-02-2018, 06:18 PM
I am a Lezgin you gurji idiot.

Lezgins' problem - Dagestan governor now is Russian from Mukhosransk aka non local when unti they all were locs
Lezgistan is divided by Russian Dagestan and Azerbaijan historical Lezgin lands

Two things that Lezgin patriots and natsionalists nkw care about

The last thing they do is to make histerics in the threads of the Kartvelian languages

I tell you

I know all Caucasian people and their problems and their views

And I tell you again fuck our the thread you troll

LezginMBD
12-02-2018, 06:27 PM
Lezgins' problem - Dagestan governor now is Russian from Mukhosransk aka non local when unti they all were locs
Lezgistan is divided by Russian Dagestan and Azerbaijan historical Lezgin lands

Two things that Lezgin patriots and natsionalists nkw care about

The last thing they do is to make histerics in the threads of the Kartvelian languages

I tell you

I know all Caucasian people and their problems and their views

And I tell you again fuck our the thread you troll

Suck on my North Caucasian master race cock!

blogen
12-02-2018, 06:28 PM
https://b.radikal.ru/b00/1801/74/d3b5ef952c4d.png

Ok, in the reality:

proto-Kartvelian: around 3-2000 BC and nobody knows what was before this level...

klarji
12-02-2018, 06:37 PM
Laz dialect of the Zan language
Laz children speaking


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VF956ZXokKk

klarji
12-02-2018, 06:39 PM
Suck on my North Caucasian master race cock!

Lezgins mostly lived and still live in the South Caucasus
Caucasus Albania was in the South Caucasus. Albanians' descendants - Lezgi subethnoses live there. For example Udins live in the centre of the South Caucasus

Valodka, stop drinking vodka and dreaming you are a Lezgin

LezginMBD
12-02-2018, 06:44 PM
Lezgins are North Caucasian and live in Degasta mostly in North Caucasus not south. You are a middle easterner trying to make a name for yourself, truly you gurjis are pathetic.

Zi Lezgiyar Halkrin!

klarji
12-02-2018, 06:50 PM
Lezgins are North Caucasian and live in Degasta mostly in North Caucasus not south. You are a middle easterner trying to make a name for yourself, truly you gurjis are pathetic.

Zi Lezgiyar Halkrin!

There are two Lezgin villages in Georgia
Lezgo-Albanian subethnos Udins migrated in the 19th century from Azerbaijan, historical Utya thats is South Caucasus

LezginMBD
12-02-2018, 06:56 PM
There are two Lezgin villages in Georgia
Lezgo-Albanian subethnos Udins migrated in the 19th century from Azerbaijan, historical Utya thats is South Caucasus

We are North Caucasians and live in North Caucasus, and plus we gave your a major beat down in Lekianoba, remember?

klarji
12-02-2018, 08:14 PM
We are North Caucasians and live in North Caucasus, and plus we gave your a major beat down in Lekianoba, remember?

Lekianoba - after sefevid massacred Kakheti Kingdom population it was Avar-Ando-Dido peoples from Dagestani side agression againts restings of Kakho-Ingilo-Tushi tribes from Kartvelian side

And you say you are Lezgin from Lezgo-Albanian branch and according to my nickname I am klarjian from Meskheti
Caucasus is a homeland of the great number of peoples subethnoses and ethnographical groups

Valodka you have to learn firstly region well not to make such clown mistakes

Kartvelians have no connection with Lezgi leoples after Albania fell

Two villages of Udians migrated from the middle Azerbaijan from repression

And there are some Tsalhurs and Ingiloys being assimilated in Azerbaijan

Dont think Tsakhurs and Ingiloys have time to discuss who is better Lezgins or Georgians

They both are in bad situation


So my lil Volodka

You see how difficult region Caucasus is

Tell your troll fabrica director to give you better book anout the rehion

FinalFlash
12-02-2018, 08:15 PM
Damn, so it isnt just us that are disliked by Kavkazskis :D

klarji
12-02-2018, 08:23 PM
Damn, so it isnt just us that are disliked by Kavkazskis :D

He is not Kavkazski
Has.no.idea. about Caucasian peoples subethnoses etc

And why you think North Caucasians dont like Armenians?

Also North Caucasus is a common termin for peoples living in the North Caucasus


Dont think Ingushians hate you more then they hate Ossetians
While dont think Ossetians hate Armenians

FinalFlash
12-02-2018, 08:26 PM
He is not Kavkazski
Has.no.idea. about Caucasian peoples subethnoses etc

And why you think North Caucasians dont like Armenians?

Also North Caucasus is a common termin for peoples living in the North Caucasus


Dont think Ingushians hate you more then they hate Ossetians
While dont think Ossetians hate Armenians

I think Ossetians are the friendliest towards us by far. Georgians I think dislike Armenians simply because some Armenians opted to side with the Abkhaz during the war.

Truthfully I find Georgians to be the most similar to us and I think it's a pity that our relations are not excellent.

klarji
12-02-2018, 08:31 PM
I think Ossetians are the friendliest towards us by far.


Georgians I think dislike Armenians simply because some Armenians opted to side with the Abkhaz during the war.

Truthfully I find Georgians to be the most similar to us and I think it's a pity that our relations are not excellent.

I think also so

klarji
12-02-2018, 09:09 PM
These delusional gurjis make me laugh. North Caucasus is the biggest nation in lands mass in the Caucasus ok. You are insignifcant nation of 4 million people. Plus we defeated you in 1993 and again in 2008. And we have zero relation to you culturally. To me you are no different than an armenian or an azeri.

Thank you
We share a lot of common with Azerbaijanians and Armenians
As we live for thousend years in the South Caucasians
lol

But Lezgins culturally historically and anthopologically are much closer to Azerbaijanians then Kartvelians

lmao

Listen to the Lezgi music and watch Lezgi dances and then Azernaijanian ones

What an idiot troll! :D

klarji
12-02-2018, 09:14 PM
you are not related to North Caucasians, you closest relatives are Laz in turkey.

They live also in Georgia
Of course they are our relatives :)


"you closest relatives are Laz in Turkey" was written with such disgusting as "for me you are not different from azeris and armenians"


Ahahaha


Clown of Course Lazes are our relatives and Armenians and Azerbaijanians are close to us (Azeris much closer to Lezgins)

You can say also "you relatives are fuckin Svans and not me"

Man

Of course Svans are our blood

Whats about you nobody shits on you here

Root
12-02-2018, 09:19 PM
Damn, so it isnt just us that are disliked by Kavkazskis :D




hey wait, it's a totally wrong statement.. I'm from North Kavkaz I don't dislike anybody & my personality is not equivalent of the members who dislike you, never been an arrogant, ignorant and hateful person toward certain ethnic groups ever in my life, without racial & cultural diversity the world would be an empty, boring and gray hellhole. You know, no one can judge the many by the actions of the few ;)

Mingle
12-02-2018, 09:19 PM
How are Lezgics North Caucasian but Georgians aren't? Based on geography alone, southern Dagestan and the northern part of the Republic of Azerbaijan (where Lezgics are native to) are not anymore north than Georgia is.

I think the only reason Georgia is grouped with Armenia and Azerbaijan as "South Caucasian" is because they had some similar recent history i.e. gaining independence from the SU/Russia (while the North Caucasian lands still aren't independent) and being part of the Transcaucasian Republic.

FinalFlash
12-02-2018, 09:27 PM
hey wait, it's a totally wrong statement.. I'm from North Kavkaz I don't dislike anybody & my personality is not equivalent of the members who dislike you, never been an arrogant, ignorant and hateful person toward certain ethnic groups ever in my life, without racial & cultural diversity the world would be an empty, boring and gray hellhole. You know, no one can judge the many by the actions of the few ;)

Honestly, I don't know. I see people like that Lezgin doofus from time to time that talks a bunch of nonsense and spews hate towards us for reasons that I cant even fathom.

FinalFlash
12-02-2018, 09:29 PM
How are Lezgics North Caucasian but Georgians aren't? Based on geography alone, southern Dagestan and the northern part of the Republic of Azerbaijan (where Lezgics are native to) are not anymore north than Georgia is.

I think the only reason Georgia is grouped with Armenia and Azerbaijan as "South Caucasian" is because they had some similar recent history i.e. gaining independence from the SU/Russia (while the North Caucasian lands still aren't independent) and being part of the Transcaucasian Republic.

Georgians are different from them in a genetic and cultural sense. Lezgins have a much higher amount of Steppe admixture than Georgians which is why Georgians cluster closer to Abkhaz and Armenians than they do to Chechens for example. The Caucasus mountain range often times did act as a natural barrier.

klarji
12-02-2018, 09:33 PM
Honestly, I don't know. I see people like that Lezgin doofus from time to time that talks a bunch of nonsense and spews hate towards us for reasons that I cant even fathom.

You can open the page of our Lezgi brother and you will see that he hates everybody and everything in the world including Greeks and all Eurofags :D

You Armenians are not the only one

Root
12-02-2018, 09:34 PM
Honestly, I don't know. I see people like that Lezgin doofus from time to time that talks a bunch of nonsense and spews hate towards us for reasons that I cant even fathom.



there could be anyone else behind the computer screen constantly talking on behalf of others and provoke the forum members from other cultures, as you know this forum is full of low level trolls who never dare to show their personal pictures

FinalFlash
12-02-2018, 09:35 PM
Yeah you guys are probably right. I do hope this sort of hate(coming from the Armenian side too) is merely limited to the internet and anthrofora trolls.

Root
12-02-2018, 09:38 PM
Yeah you guys are probably right. I do hope this sort of hate(coming from the Armenian side too) is merely limited to the internet and anthrofora trolls.




well, this alpha anonymous army of faceless parrots are everywhere on the internet despite their race and ethnic background

Babak
12-02-2018, 10:21 PM
How are Lezgics North Caucasian but Georgians aren't? Based on geography alone, southern Dagestan and the northern part of the Republic of Azerbaijan (where Lezgics are native to) are not anymore north than Georgia is.

I think the only reason Georgia is grouped with Armenia and Azerbaijan as "South Caucasian" is because they had some similar recent history i.e. gaining independence from the SU/Russia (while the North Caucasian lands still aren't independent) and being part of the Transcaucasian Republic.....

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Mingle
12-02-2018, 11:32 PM
Georgians are different from them in a genetic and cultural sense. Lezgins have a much higher amount of Steppe admixture than Georgians which is why Georgians cluster closer to Abkhaz and Armenians than they do to Chechens for example. The Caucasus mountain range often times did act as a natural barrier.

The Abkhaz are a Circassian subgroup and thus North Caucasians. If Georgians are close to them, then that just means that Georgians are a bridge between Circassians and Armenians. And then Circassians would be a bridge between Chechens and Georgians. So genetically, the Caucasus can't really be divided.

You may be right about the culture part though.

I was just looking at latitude in my previous post. I just realized that Georgia is south of the Caucasus Mountains, so yeah, its geographically South Caucasian.

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FinalFlash
12-03-2018, 12:25 AM
The Abkhaz are a Circassian subgroup and thus North Caucasians. If Georgians are close to them, then that just means that Georgians are a bridge between Circassians and Armenians. And then Circassians would be a bridge between Chechens and Georgians. So genetically, the Caucasus can't really be divided.

You may be right about the culture part though.

I was just looking at latitude in my previous post. I just realized that Georgia is south of the Caucasus Mountains, so yeah, its geographically South Caucasian.

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Georgians are in fact not in the North cluster. I can show you some Harappaworld calcs of both Georgians and Abkhazians if you're really interested.

LezginMBD
12-03-2018, 10:44 AM
Thank you
We share a lot of common with Azerbaijanians and Armenians
As we live for thousend years in the South Caucasians
lol

But Lezgins culturally historically and anthopologically are much closer to Azerbaijanians then Kartvelians

lmao

Listen to the Lezgi music and watch Lezgi dances and then Azernaijanian ones

What an idiot troll! :D

You are a clown, Lezgins dont look anything like Azeris or Georgians for that matter.

LezginMBD
12-03-2018, 10:55 AM
there could be anyone else behind the computer screen constantly talking on behalf of others and provoke the forum members from other cultures, as you know this forum is full of low level trolls who never dare to show their personal pictures

I have no problem with showing my picture. And you as a North Caucasian need to get your priorities straight and not side with so-called "south caucasian".

klarji
12-03-2018, 11:56 AM
I have no problem with showing my picture. And you as a North Caucasian need to get your priorities straight and not side with so-called "south caucasian".

Show you pic
I am sure you are Abkhazian

klarji
12-03-2018, 12:04 PM
You have no idea about the Eastern and the Central Caucasus
As will dont know modern situation in the West of the Northern Caucasus

As well your "ideas" about Kartvelian peoples, Armrnians, Azerbaijanians, Russians, "Eurofags" and Asian subhumans are very typical for Abkhazian chauvinist Nazis but not for Lezgin Nazis :D

klarji
12-03-2018, 12:12 PM
Lezgi people share more cultural similarities with Azerbaijani people then Kartvelians do

Lezgi song


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVvI2_3WzIE

Georgian song

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y136df9u7RM

Adjmakuz, come out man
Your Kortu bro always guesses its you
Come come
Waiting here you

user_
12-03-2018, 12:59 PM
Georgians I think dislike Armenians simply because some Armenians opted to side with the Abkhaz during the war.

Truthfully I find Georgians to be the most similar to us and I think it's a pity that our relations are not excellent.

"Anti Armenianism" is Georgian version of anti Semitism. Like in Russia, they blame Jews for all their troubles, in Georgia for example if you want to disqualify your political opponent you can start a rumor that his grandfather was Armenian or smthing like that. Armenians in southeastern part of Georgia, mostly in Tbilisi during the XVIII-XIX centuries were successful merchants, Georgians were not as smart in business as were Armenians and people were jealous of them. But today the things are changing and Tbilisi reborn as multicultural center of the whole Caucasus region.

Root
12-03-2018, 01:05 PM
I have no problem with showing my picture. And you as a North Caucasian need to get your priorities straight and not side with so-called "south caucasian".


will anything change if I start an empty flame war posting offensive messages over the internet just for fun? I'm not seeking enemies anywhere.





You have no idea about the Eastern and the Central Caucasus
As will dont know modern situation in the West of the Northern Caucasus

As well your "ideas" about Kartvelian peoples, Armrnians, Azerbaijanians, Russians, "Eurofags" and Asian subhumans are very typical for Abkhazian chauvinist Nazis but not for Lezgin Nazis :D


the far you go to the west, the more difference you could notice.. those NW Kavkaz people are usually calm and tend to avoid any verbal and physical fights comparing to the NE Kavkaz population.. people from NE Kavkaz are always in belligerent mood and extremely aggressive in case of injustice, they're also very conservative, religious and become a strong unity in the face of the outside threat

user_
12-03-2018, 01:11 PM
How are Lezgics North Caucasian but Georgians aren't? Based on geography alone, southern Dagestan and the northern part of the Republic of Azerbaijan (where Lezgics are native to) are not anymore north than Georgia is.

Georgians are the most Caucasian people, if anybody can be called like that. Georgia owns the biggest part of Caucasus range, and most places with postcard views of Caucasus are in Georgia. Dagestan in some places looks more like Central Asia, than stereotypical Caucasus.

LezginMBD
12-03-2018, 01:31 PM
Georgians are the most Caucasian people, if anybody can be called like that. Georgia owns the biggest part of Caucasus range, and most places with postcard views of Caucasus are in Georgia. Dagestan in some places looks more like Central Asia, than stereotypical Caucasus.

Yet you look like camel humpers compared to North Caucasians. And you also lack geographic skills, the North Caucasus owns most of the Caucasus range included the Elbrus. Oh and by the way Abkhazia and South Ossetia are now defacto part of North Caucasus which further takes away at our so-called ownership of that range.

user_
12-03-2018, 01:42 PM
Georgians are different from them in a genetic and cultural sense.
Georgians are different from Lezgins obviously. To be honest Lezgins share more cultural things with Armenians than Megrelians, Imeretians, Svans, Gurians, Rachians (about 70% of Georgians) do. I always say that Caucasus changes from West to East more, than from north to south. There are 4 parts of Caucasus. First is Western Caucasus, where Black sea makes mild climate, that reflected on peoples phenotype, character and culture, then Central Caucasus, then Eastern Caucasus and Armenian highlands. Last two regions share more similarities, than others do.


For example Lezi song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brbge7ibL6o


And Georgian song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaR3udqH2K0

Be honest, which one you find closer to Armenia?

LezginMBD
12-03-2018, 01:45 PM
Georgians are different from Lezgins obviously. To be honest Lezgins share more cultural things with Armenians than Megrelians, Imeretians, Svans, Gurians, Rachians (about 70% of Georgians) do. I always say that Caucasus changes from West to East more, than from north to south. There are 4 parts of Caucasus. First is Western Caucasus, where Black sea makes mild climate, that reflected on peoples phenotype, character and culture, then Central Caucasus, then Eastern Caucasus and Armenian highlands. Last two regions share more similarities, than others do.


For example Lezi song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brbge7ibL6o


And Georgian song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaR3udqH2K0

Be honest, which one you find closer to Armenia?

We dont even border Armenia you idiot, you on the other hand do, and not only that you and Armenians intermingled with each other for centuries. Dont even talk about Lezgins man, before I kick you miserable arse on here.

user_
12-03-2018, 01:55 PM
We dont even border Armenia you idiot, you on the other hand do, and not only that you and Armenians intermingled with each other for centuries. Dont even talk about Lezgins man, before I kick you miserable arse on here.

Yeah, you do not border Armenia, but you border Azerbaijan, and also Dagestan was pretty much influenced by Persian culture.

And I know some can say that Georgian culture differs so much because we have more Russian influences for last 200 years, but in fact Georgian polyphony and yodeling is much older than Russians as a nation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_c99H7wQQ0&list=PLH-95ZpRRhLq5518phHsTcEIgYKxM7HZ1

LezginMBD
12-03-2018, 02:00 PM
Yeah, you do not border Armenia, but you border Azerbaijan, and also Dagestan was pretty much influenced by Persian culture.

And I know some can say that Georgian culture differs so much because we have more Russian influences for last 200 years, but in fact Georgian polyphony and yodeling is much older than Russians as a nation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_c99H7wQQ0&list=PLH-95ZpRRhLq5518phHsTcEIgYKxM7HZ1

First of all we defeated the Persians in 1745. Second I dont give a fuck about Russian culture and yours. You are the worst people off all. You commited the worst atrocities against North Caucasians with that Georgian cocksucker Stalin against my folk.

user_
12-03-2018, 02:13 PM
First of all we defeated the Persians in 1745.

Yeah, i see how you defeated. If you did it, then your girls would sing with ancient Caucasian voices, like this Georgians girls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHfhL8IWZiE

And not like typical Middle Eastern like this Dagestan girls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6Pp-t1oVA


Do not think that i have anything against Dagestan people, just think before you say something about how Georgians are Near Eastern and you are not.
I will destroy anyone from Caucasus or Balkan who will say that Georgians are more near eastern than they are. :D


Stalin was not Georgian, he was son of a bitch without nation, he did not do anything good for Georgia and the problems now we have in Ossetia is because of his politics.

klarji
12-03-2018, 02:39 PM
Yeah, i see how you defeated. If you did it, then your girls would sing with ancient Caucasian voices, like this Georgians girls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHfhL8IWZiE

And not like typical Middle Eastern like this Dagestan girls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6Pp-t1oVA


Do not think that i have anything against Dagestan people, just think before you say something about how Georgians are Near Eastern and you are not.
I will destroy anyone from Caucasus or Balkan who will say that Georgians are more near eastern than they are. :D


Stalin was not Georgian, he was son of a bitch without nation, he did not do anything good for Georgia and the problems now we have in Ossetia is because of his politics.


These idiots knowing Kartvelianz from Russian movies from whom after Stalin+Beria every Brunner with accent was Kartvelian

Mingrelians+Svans+Lazes+80%Karts share much similarities with Near East (Muslim East) then Muslim Eastern Caucasus peoples
Kol
Sure he is nor even Muslim
But Adjmakus
Muslim North Caucasians don't hate near easterners blin
They are one Ummah

They are for them

Like for us Western Christian peoples

user_
12-03-2018, 02:49 PM
Sure he is nor even Muslim
But Adjmakus

He is not Abkhazian, he is a Lezgin with lots of complexes .

LezginMBD
12-03-2018, 03:03 PM
He is not Abkhazian, he is a Lezgin with lots of complexes .

You are the nation with complexes waving EU flags, wannabe Eurotrash idiots. Now do me a favour and go choke on a tie like Saakashvili. You will pay for the Georgians crimes against North Caucasians that were committed from 1943-1956. You will all burn in hell like Stalin, Beria, and Gveshiani.

user_
12-03-2018, 03:11 PM
You are the nation with complexes waving EU flags, wannabe Eurotrash idiots. Now do me a favour and go choke on a tie like Saakashvili. You will pay for the Georgians crimes against North Caucasians that were committed from 1943-1956. You will all burn in hell like Stalin, Beria, and Gveshiani.

Yes, we wave euroflags, and that gives us the country where we have democracy, low corruption rate, high economic growth, ability to travel without visa in most high developed countries of the world, where 8 million people travel every year, thousands want to get citizenship and live here. You wave Russian flags and even Russians are afraid to come to Dagestan lol, Dagestanis are required to have registration even if they want to live in another region of Russia lol

klarji
12-03-2018, 03:26 PM
He is not Abkhazian, he is a Lezgin with lots of complexes .


And what da fuck he wants from Kartvelians?
They have no borders with us no connection

klarji
12-03-2018, 03:30 PM
You are the nation with complexes waving EU flags, wannabe Eurotrash idiots. Now do me a favour and go choke on a tie like Saakashvili. You will pay for the Georgians crimes against North Caucasians that were committed from 1943-1956. You will all burn in hell like Stalin, Beria, and Gveshiani.

Man are you an idiot?,
We Kartvelians are distinct world. We live on oir own.
We dont interested in your connections with Muslim peoplea of Near East
So be kind shit out of our connection with Christian peoples of the West

user_
12-03-2018, 03:41 PM
And what da fuck he wants from Kartvelians?
They have no borders with us no connection

He thinks if he shit on other people, he will look more white :D

klarji
12-03-2018, 03:43 PM
He thinks if he shit on other people, he will look more white :D

whiter then Irish?
He shits also on all "Eurofags" :eek:

LezginMBD
12-03-2018, 03:45 PM
Man are you an idiot?,
We Kartvelians are distinct world. We live on oir own.
We dont interested in your connections with Muslim peoplea of Near East
So be kind shit out of our connection with Christian peoples of the West

Your the idiot who refuses to accept historical reality and this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ztxlQ68e19Q/TnC0Z0rW6bI/AAAAAAAAEHc/MQny_v-ygqQ/s1600/pca-caucasus.png

It appears your Kartvelians are closer to Armenians and Middle Eastern Jews.

klarji
12-03-2018, 03:55 PM
Your the idiot who refuses to accept historical reality and this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ztxlQ68e19Q/TnC0Z0rW6bI/AAAAAAAAEHc/MQny_v-ygqQ/s1600/pca-caucasus.png

It appears your Kartvelians are closer to Armenians and Middle Eastern Jews.


All homo sapiens are from one ancestor
Though I am happy to.hear among them genetically Armenian and Jewish peoples are closest to us

But after humanity creates it own civilization = languages we are distinct.


Ps europeans are fags, near east peoples subhumams, Turks clowns, South Caucasian peoples are not Caucasians

What do you think about Far East and America?
It seems they are North Caucasians closest relativea?,

user_
12-03-2018, 04:06 PM
Your the idiot who refuses to accept historical reality and this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ztxlQ68e19Q/TnC0Z0rW6bI/AAAAAAAAEHc/MQny_v-ygqQ/s1600/pca-caucasus.png

It appears your Kartvelians are closer to Armenians and Middle Eastern Jews.

I don't care about this maps, because Caucasus region is not studied enough, especially Georgians.


You are muh northern, so northern that you have more similarities with Kazakhstan steppes than with real Caucasus.

Typical Dagestan landscape
https://i.ibb.co/kQMJJyt/1.jpg (https://ibb.co/Rz7NNSq)

Typical Georgian landscape
https://i.ibb.co/JdFq3kt/mulakhi-tviberidan.jpg (https://ibb.co/vBvhXzq)


Typical Dagestan village
https://i.ibb.co/tBMm8Lm/150649715862813-med.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Typical Georgian village
https://i.ibb.co/sK1YbKd/DSC4462-vi.jpg (https://ibb.co/zX2vQXT)

Babak
12-03-2018, 04:07 PM
Yeah, you do not border Armenia, but you border Azerbaijan, and also Dagestan was pretty much influenced by Persian culture.

And I know some can say that Georgian culture differs so much because we have more Russian influences for last 200 years, but in fact Georgian polyphony and yodeling is much older than Russians as a nation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_c99H7wQQ0&list=PLH-95ZpRRhLq5518phHsTcEIgYKxM7HZ1The whole caucases was heavily influenced by persian culture in fact. I love how some of you guys try so hard to distance yourselves from Near easterners when in reality you have a lot more in common with them compared to anybody else. Azerbaijanis being extremely nationalist, have a very hard time understanding this

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user_
12-03-2018, 04:20 PM
The whole caucases was heavily influenced by persian culture in fact. I love how some of you guys try so hard to distance yourselves from Near easterners when in reality you have a lot more in common with them compared to anybody else. Azerbaijanis being extremely nationalist, have a very hard time understanding this

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Can you tell me how West of the Georgia was influenced by Persian culture? I'm not against Persian culture, but why should i say that we are Persian influenced if we are not?

Like Imereli from West Georgia has absolutely different lifestyle or music than Dagestan, let alone Persia.
What is Persian here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGw5shmAjgU

klarji
12-03-2018, 04:25 PM
The whole caucases was heavily influenced by persian culture in fact. I love how some of you guys try so hard to distance yourselves from Near easterners when in reality you have a lot more in common with them compared to anybody else. Azerbaijanis being extremely nationalist, have a very hard time understanding this

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Caucasian peoples are like Basques
They want to be "unique" after they were believed their languages had no relatives outside the Caucasus


Azerbaijanians dont want to be influenced by Persians but pure Turkics :D

Whats about so called aboriginal Caucasians they want to be unique

Here are real battles

Azerbaijanians are not Caucasians
They are lated migrated Turks
Armenians - Indo-European migrants
Karachay-Balkars Crimean Tatars (Turkic languages)
Ossetians - Persian (Os language belongs to Iranian languages)

Some Nazi from the s.c. North Caucasian language family sometimes mostly hated Kartvelians (especially Abkhazians and Circassians)

They want to most unique and most aboriginal

They are comparee with Indo-European and Turkic "colonists" but dont know what to do with Kartvelians peoples :D

So they like to fairy-taling that Kartvelians are not Cauvasian but Kurds (Kart- veli vs Kurd), they are Semitic (one of the in ancient times denied hypothesis)

Shortly its very funny "North-Caucasian" (aka Abkhazo-Adyghean + Nakho-Dagestian Nazis) vs KC battling.

Mostly Nakhians and Dagestanians shit on AA
They have no problems with KC and their relativness with AA is not prove but AA need ND in fighting with KC and like flattering with ND trying to belief them they are 100% Caucasians and KC are fuckin migrants that culturally are Asians (they dont lile Kartvelians to be with Europe)

klarji
12-03-2018, 05:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os14JW3AD8o

Lazuri song about mother language "Shurimshine nana"

klarji
12-03-2018, 05:39 PM
the sound of the Kart language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEoXEUi2d5c

klarji
12-03-2018, 05:44 PM
Kart language is record-holder in consonant clusters

"At the other end of the scale, the Kartvelian languages of Georgia are drastically more permissive of consonant clustering. Clusters in Georgian of four, five or six consonants are not unusual—for instance, /brtʼqʼɛli/ (flat), /mt͡sʼvrtnɛli/ (trainer) and /prt͡skvna/ (peeling)—and if grammatical affixes are used, it allows an eight-consonant cluster: /ɡvbrdɣvnis/ (he's plucking us). Consonants cannot appear as syllable nuclei in Georgian, so this syllable is analysed as CCCCCCCCVC."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consonant_cluster

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mutabor
12-03-2018, 07:51 PM
Svan language to me distantly sounds like Turkic and Mongolic. But Georgian sounds foreign.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiAHTGFAnbQ

Uyghur language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ5RjM1QjY

mutabor
12-03-2018, 08:25 PM
I noticed that Mongolian and Native American languages have weird sound L which sounds like TL ( lateral fricative sound). Such sound is found in Icelandic, Welsh and also Caucasus languages like Circassian. Northern Caucasus languages also have guttural fricative K sound which is common in Turkic, Siberian and Native American languages.

Fricative TL is very clear in Mongolian language

In Circassian this lateral sounds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plhazh.ogg

Tsez ( Northern Caucasus language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lhi.ogg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US99ftwl5-M&t


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h22kNL89csk

FinalFlash
12-03-2018, 09:12 PM
Your the idiot who refuses to accept historical reality and this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ztxlQ68e19Q/TnC0Z0rW6bI/AAAAAAAAEHc/MQny_v-ygqQ/s1600/pca-caucasus.png

It appears your Kartvelians are closer to Armenians and Middle Eastern Jews.

Their closest genetic relatives are Abkhaz, Armenians, South Ossetians and Caucasus jew(specifically Georgian Jews). They aren't close to middle eastern Jews at all. Hell, Armenians aren't even that close to middle eastern Jews so how would Georgians be?

Root
12-03-2018, 09:28 PM
North Caucasian family (Abkhazo-Adyghean & Nakh–Daghestanian)


Abkhazo-Adyghean group (North Pontic)


Adyghe language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMt5cDA5BN4



Abkhaz language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubTiZ7lacys





Nakh–Daghestanian group (North Caspic)



Chechen language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_wM4c0l6mI



Avar language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wgtJcybw50



Dargin language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbrW7ZII8dM



Lak language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI3MrUny_ew



Lezgin language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYT5qSpFlZA

LezginMBD
12-03-2018, 09:37 PM
Caucasian peoples are like Basques
They want to be "unique" after they were believed their languages had no relatives outside the Caucasus


Azerbaijanians dont want to be influenced by Persians but pure Turkics :D

Whats about so called aboriginal Caucasians they want to be unique

Here are real battles

Azerbaijanians are not Caucasians
They are lated migrated Turks
Armenians - Indo-European migrants
Karachay-Balkars Crimean Tatars (Turkic languages)
Ossetians - Persian (Os language belongs to Iranian languages)

Some Nazi from the s.c. North Caucasian language family sometimes mostly hated Kartvelians (especially Abkhazians and Circassians)

They want to most unique and most aboriginal

They are comparee with Indo-European and Turkic "colonists" but dont know what to do with Kartvelians peoples :D

So they like to fairy-taling that Kartvelians are not Cauvasian but Kurds (Kart- veli vs Kurd), they are Semitic (one of the in ancient times denied hypothesis)

Shortly its very funny "North-Caucasian" (aka Abkhazo-Adyghean + Nakho-Dagestian Nazis) vs KC battling.

Mostly Nakhians and Dagestanians shit on AA
They have no problems with KC and their relativness with AA is not prove but AA need ND in fighting with KC and like flattering with ND trying to belief them they are 100% Caucasians and KC are fuckin migrants that culturally are Asians (they dont lile Kartvelians to be with Europe)

Oh man you are idiot. First of All the Karachay-Balkar are descendant from the North Caucasian Nakh Malkars. They are racially and culturally North Caucasians and they see themselves as that. Second, Ossetians are North Caucasian also, and not Persian the language is not even understandable by any Iranic group. Just shut your mouth and dont talk about peoples you have no idea about.

LezginMBD
12-03-2018, 09:38 PM
Their closest genetic relatives are Abkhaz, Armenians, South Ossetians and Caucasus jew(specifically Georgian Jews). They aren't close to middle eastern Jews at all. Hell, Armenians aren't even that close to middle eastern Jews so how would Georgians be?

Well in my view all Jews come from the Semitic strain of the Middle East, you along with Georgians have intermingled for centuries that is no secret.

Crimean
12-03-2018, 09:42 PM
North Caucasian family
It is impossible to learn in adulthood. Это тебе нихрена не инглиш).

Root
12-03-2018, 10:06 PM
It is impossible to learn in adulthood. Это тебе нихрена не инглиш).



many people barely know about the existense of the North Caucasian languages, they usually think that Finnish, Hungarian, Chinese, or even Russian are the most difficult languages to learn, but it isn't true at all. I've heard that the North Caucasian languages are kinda related to some Amerindian languages but geographicaly are far away from each other. Совершенно верно, английский это детский лепет по сравнению с теми языками, которые существуют в реальной жизни))

FinalFlash
12-03-2018, 10:22 PM
Well in my view all Jews come from the Semitic strain of the Middle East, you along with Georgians have intermingled for centuries that is no secret.

Your view is absolutely warped and isnt a reflection of reality at all.

klarji
12-04-2018, 10:37 AM
many people barely know about the existense of the North Caucasian languages, they usually think that Finnish, Hungarian, Chinese, or even Russian are the most difficult languages to learn, but it isn't true at all. I've heard that the North Caucasian languages are kinda related to some Amerindian languages but geographicaly are far away from each other. Совершенно верно, английский это детский лепет по сравнению с теми языками, которые существуют в реальной жизни))

I am learning ND languages and can not say they are too difficult.
Its said AA is more difficult to learn then ND

klarji
12-04-2018, 10:39 AM
Your view is absolutely warped and isnt a reflection of reality at all.

He is a troll. Leave him alone.

Crimean
12-04-2018, 01:54 PM
many people barely know about the existense of the North Caucasian languages, they usually think that Finnish, Hungarian, Chinese, or even Russian are the most difficult languages to learn, but it isn't true at all. I've heard that the North Caucasian languages are kinda related to some Amerindian languages but geographicaly are far away from each other. Совершенно верно, английский это детский лепет по сравнению с теми языками, которые существуют в реальной жизни))
Точно, во всяких рейтингах в основном фигурируют только языки с количеством носителей >10 млн. Вот взять аварский язык. Человек, не выросший в окружении аварцев, НИКОГДА в зрелом возрасте не осилит корректное произношение местных звуков. Уши просто не заточены на различение 5 вариаций звука "К". А ведь есть ещё абруптивы, падежная система и прочая красота). С америндскими та же песня, что и с С-К, только вдобавок мы имеем ещё и смыслоразличительные ТОНЫ.

Root
12-04-2018, 02:00 PM
I am learning ND languages and can not say they are too difficult.
Its said AA is more difficult to learn then ND



the three native Caucasian groups have the same letters of alphabet as: ch', ts', k', kk', t', p', h', g'.. yesterday I published videos about pronunciation of the NC languages from YouTube.. (I strongly suggest you to listen to them if you didn`t listen to)


http://geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Caucasian-Language-Families-Map.jpg




why are NC languages are the most complicated? too much cases, too much letters in the alphabet etc

Root
12-04-2018, 02:38 PM
Точно, во всяких рейтингах в основном фигурируют только языки с количеством носителей >10 млн. Вот взять аварский язык. Человек, не выросший в окружении аварцев, НИКОГДА в зрелом возрасте не осилит корректное произношение местных звуков. Уши просто не заточены на различение 5 вариаций звука "К". А ведь есть ещё абруптивы, падежная система и прочая красота). С америндскими та же песня, что и с С-К, только вдобавок мы имеем ещё и смыслоразличительные ТОНЫ.



еще с детства учат выговаривать эти сложные буквы, а потом произношение звуков само улучшается со временем, вот только в подростковом возрасте учить сложновато будет, если, конечно, не постараться приложить все усилия в течение нескольких лет. Как носитель северокавказского языка, выучить хоть один из всех перечисленных языков(включая сюда же языков коренных североамериканцев) до определенного уровня мне намного проще будет, чем неносителю северокавказского языка, поскольку все они, как бы, взаимосвязаны, родственны между собой и, в каждом из этих упомянутых языков имеются довольно много схожестей

klarji
12-04-2018, 02:56 PM
еще с детства учат выговаривать эти сложные буквы, а потом произношение звуков само улучшается со временем, вот только в подростковом возрасте учить сложновато будет, если, конечно, не постараться приложить все усилия в течение нескольких лет. Как носитель северокавказского языка, выучить хоть один из всех перечисленных языков(включая сюда же языков коренных североамериканцев) до определенного уровня мне намного проще будет, чем неносителю северокавказского языка, поскольку все они, как бы, взаимосвязаны, родственны между собой и, в каждом из этих упомянутых языков имеются довольно много схожестей

Мне носителю картвельских языков как бы не очень трудно.
А другие картвельские языки мне кажутся вообще детским садом.
Просто глагол трудноват наш

mutabor
12-04-2018, 04:55 PM
Turkic language was influenced by Siberian tribes who are related to Amerindians ( haplogroup Q). The most obvious influences are guttural sound K ( also heard in Ket, Chukchi and Eskimo languages). In Amerindian languages guttural K even has guttural stop K' reminding click ( как бы щелчок после горлового К). In Turkic languages K is guttural ( горловой) and fricative ( взрывной).

Native American languages have nasal sounds ( like in French). Nasalization transformed into Umlaut vowel system. Umlaut system is strongest in Turkic and Germanic languages. Also Umlaut vowels are present in French language. French language has both ( nasal and Umlaut).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr-mCMtISfA

Umlaut system in Kazakh language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9S_hsyvNLk

mutabor
12-04-2018, 04:59 PM
Does Mayan ( Yukatec) resembles Caucasus and Georgian languages?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec8E7MpKpt0

klarji
12-10-2018, 12:45 PM
Does Mayan ( Yukatec) resembles Caucasus and Georgian languages?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec8E7MpKpt0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOXmQ9JpkYE

dont think about georgian