Pontic Greek results

[FilhoV]

https://youtu.be/oo7URznpXjA

Interesting

[kingjohn]

https://youtu.be/oo7URznpXjA

Interesting

very low european admixture only 1.8% north atlantic
and 0% baltic in eurogenes k13
thanks for sharing his results :thumb001:

[Lucas]

very low european admixture only 1.8% north atlantic
and 0% baltic in eurogenes k13
thanks for sharing his results :thumb001:

They are most none-NW-euro Greeks. I'm wondering about their phenotype, could be 99.9% brunet.

[Leto]

Pontic Greeks are as European as Georgians and maybe slightly more than Armenians. North Caucasians have more NE Euro blood. They are 20-25% on Dodecad K12b for example.

[wvwvw]

They are most none-NW-euro Greeks. I'm wondering about their phenotype, could be 99.9% brunet.
Mlukas les malakies

[Pennywise]

inb4 Raine and Greek members shitting blood all over the thread.

[wvwvw]

https://youtu.be/oo7URznpXjA

Interesting

Did you upload the video you fugly dwarf?

Interesting how this you tube poster has uploaded only this video and has no posting history.

You look mena looking and fugly af.

[kingjohn]

They are most none-NW-euro Greeks. I'm wondering about their phenotype, could be 99.9% brunet.

maybe they are mostly greek by culture less by genes ....

[Lucas]

Mlukas les malakies

What it means? :)

[RN97]

inb4 Raine and Greek members shitting blood all over the thread.

He's not close to other Greeks at all. Gedmatch puts him genetically closer to Turks than Greeks, this is his kit:
A899566

[wvwvw]

Pontic Greeks are as European as Georgians and maybe slightly more than Armenians. North Caucasians have more NE Euro blood. They are 20-25% on Dodecad K12b for example.

There are Pontians from Greece and Pontians from a dozen of other countries including Ukraine, Georgia and Kazachstan. The vast majority of them don’t live in Greece.

[kingjohn]

he can be modeled as 3/4 armenian + 1/4 cypriote
:)
buttom line geneticaly he is mostly native antolian + some greek ancestery

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.57
2 Georgian_Jewish 7.53
3 Assyrian 7.89

[Böri]

Single Population Sharing:
1. Armenian @5
2. Georgian_Jew @7
3. Assyrian @7

That means assimilated native people during the classical Hellenistic era when Greek cultural plague spread from south France until Crimea.

[Leto]

There are Pontians from Greece and Pontians from a dozen of other countries including Ukraine, Georgia and Kazachstan. The vast majority of them don’t live in Greece.
As far as I know most were resettled/repatriated to Greece, so now there's a fucking lot of them in Greece. A few football players look like those results, lol.

[Pennywise]

He's not close to other Greeks at all. Gedmatch puts him genetically closer to Turks than Greeks, this is his kit:
A899566

True, because there is no genetic relation between Pontic Greeks and Mainland Greeks (as they are also heavily influenced by Slavic invasions during medieval ages). Pontic Greeks are literally Greekizied Caucasian/Eastern Black Sea natives, they are almost identical to Georgians, Laz and Armenians.

[wvwvw]

This fugly semitic looking dwarf FilWhoriv has a history of bumping up troll threads, and a history of posting really exotic Cypriots and Greeks for clasifying. He had disappeared to his hole for awhile until he resurfaced as Filwhoriv again.

[Leto]

Single Population Sharing:
1. Armenian @5
2. Georgian_Jew @7
3. Assyrian @7

That means assimilated native people during the classical Hellenistic era when Greek cultural plague spread from south France until Crimea.
Plague? Lol. That was high culture. The plague is the Islamicist turds that spread from West Africa to Southeast Asia.

[kingjohn]

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
1 Armenian + Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian @ 5.132666


p.s
by the way i looked at his one to many and he match other pontic greeks one of them from other forum :)

[Böri]

Azov Greeks (Turkic-like) vs Epirus Greeks (Albanian-like) vs Pontic Greeks (native NE Anatoly)
Their results are like from 3 totally different ethnic groups.

xD

[Pennywise]

This fugly semitic looking dwarf FilWhoriv has a history of bumping up troll threads, and a history of posting really exotic Cypriots and Greeks for clasifying. He had disappeared to his hole for awhile until he resurfaced as Filwhoriv again.

There have been probably dozens of different Greek results posted on here, you did not accept any of them. So, take your medicine and get the fuck out of here you self hater sick girl.

[wvwvw]

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
1 Armenian + Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian @ 5.132666


p.s
by the way i looked at his one to many and he match other pontic greeks one of them from other forum :)

I have shared with ”Pontians” at 23 andme. One was a turkish troll posting under a Greek name, the other was a woman from Abkasia, who lived in Norway, could’t speak Greek and was only 1/4 Pontian Greek.

[Kouros]

They are most none-NW-euro Greeks. I'm wondering about their phenotype, could be 99.9% brunet.

These are some from my area, the last girl is half mainlander and the 3rd guy is a soccer player for the national team. They are just Mediterraneans and Alpines and most of them live in Russia nowadays.

https://i.imgur.com/ynTPFQH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oWG1jhz.png

https://i.imgur.com/ZnXu1ro.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fxugE8B.jpg

[wvwvw]

Azov Greeks (Turkic-like) vs Epirus Greeks (Albanian-like) vs Pontic Greeks (native NE Anatoly)
Their results are like from 3 totally different ethnic groups.

xD

Azov Greeks are nothing like Turks and pop up at Greeks results in certain calculators. And neither are the Gagauz remotedly Turkish genetically.

[kleenex]

True, because there is no genetic relation with Pontic Greeks and Mainland Greeks (as they are also heavily influenced by Slavic invasions during medieval ages). Pontic Greeks are literally Greekizied Caucasian/Eastern Black Sea natives, they are almost identical to Georgians, Laz and Armenians.

I disagree depends where in mainland Greece you are referring. In the North (Macedonia in particular) there may be increased Slavization but in Central/South Greece there may be slight Slavic admixture but most notably increased Steppe from post Neolithic period which doesn't exist in Anatolian Greeks.

[Böri]

Azov Greeks are nothing like Turks and pop up at Greeks results in certain calculators.

Ofc they are different.
I am from the heart of Pont region like that Pontic Greek is.
However, the closest type of Greeks to us is Azov.
That's because they are Scytho-Turkic influenced heavily. So I meant relatively.

Mdlp World

# Population Percent
1 Caucaus_Parsia 33.57
2 South_and_West_European 24.62
3 Middle_East 17.44
4 North_Asian 8.22
5 East_Asian 6.8
6 North_and_East_European 4.77
7 Indian 2.55
8 Mesoamerican 1.1
9 Arctic_Amerind 0.91
10 Melanesian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turk 8.52
2 Cirkassian 13.56
3 Tatar_Crim 13.69
4 Azeri 14.13
5 Nogai 14.37
6 Greek_Azov 14.54
7 Turkmen 14.96
8 Kumyk 15.24
9 Kabardinian 15.99
10 Balkarian 16
11 Armenian 16.93
12 Adygei 16.96
13 NorthOssetian 17.27
14 Kurd 17.59
15 Georgian 17.75
16 Ossetian 18.99
17 Georgian_Laz 19.29
18 Jew-Uzbekistan 19.33
19 Iranian 19.53
20 Jew_Azerbaijan 19.81

[Kouros]

However, the closest type of Greeks to us is Azov.
That's because they are Scytho-Turkic influenced heavily.

Yeah, no there not, you bastard. You're the same guy who thinks Finno-Ulgrics are the closest population to Turks. Azov Greeks have Ukrainian admixture.

[wvwvw]

What it means? :)

Ιt means that you talk bullshit

Pontians from Greece

http://efxinospontos.gr/images/AGIA.BARBARAS.GENOKTONIA.29153.jpg

http://www.pontos-news.gr/sites/default/files/styles/article_main_full/public/pontosold/filessunapantima3_373944885.jpg?itok=klYv47OQ

http://www.zygoskavalas.gr/images/stories/pontiakos_sillogos/pontiakos_syllogos_ypsilantis_1994.jpg

[Böri]

Yeah, no there not, you bastard. You're the same guy who thinks Finno-Ulgrics are the closest population to Turks. Azov Greeks have Ukrainian admixture.

Look who talks about being bastard xD We have genetic components helping us to track for us, however the Greek genetics are like one big failure.
Azov is Hellenicized Turko-Scythian. (if they had substantial Ukrainian/Slavic mix they shouldn't be anywhere next to any Turkic group).
Pontic is Hellenicized east Anatolian.
Epirus Greek is Hellenicized Albanian.
Cyprus and Crete are Hellenicized Levants.

Who is real Greek among all those?

[Bosniensis]

Greeks would rather like to identify with Saxons or Angles (like Raine) than to MENA people with whom they lived 3000 years at least.

Greeks can't accept the fact they don't belong to Germanic world... which is like 70% of modern Europe.

[wvwvw]

Look who talks about being bastard xD We have genetic components helping us to track for us, however the Greek genetics are like one big failure.
Azov is Hellenicized Turko-Scythian. (if they were Slavic they shouldn't be anywhere next to any Turkic group).
Pontic is Hellenicized Armenian.
Epirus Greek is Hellenicized Albanian.
Cyprus and Crete are Hellenicized Levants.

Who is real Greek among all those?

Turko-Skythian? Dream on Kiro. The Turks when arrived to Anatolia were swarthy and ugly af. A Hungarian poster I think posted historical pictures of what the Turks looked like.

Cretans, Cypriots, (Southern Italians) and other Greeks have still striking continuinity with their Mycenean and Minoan ancestors.

This is what the average Turk looks like

https://www.paraskhnio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/yilmaz.20.12.708.jpg

Your hottest politician at this time

[Kouros]

Look who talks about being bastard xD We have genetic components helping us to track for us, however the Greek genetics are like one big failure.
Azov is Hellenicized Turko-Scythian. (if they had substantial Ukrainian/Slavic mix they shouldn't be anywhere next to any Turkic group).
Pontic is Hellenicized east Anatolian.
Epirus Greek is Hellenicized Albanian.
Cyprus and Crete are Hellenicized Levants.

Who is real Greek among all those?

Maybe all of them, faggot? As long as their not brown OWD Muslim roaches I am fine. Do you sincerely think you have anything to do with a Finn or Estonian who have the highest Steppe ancestry in Europe?

[Bornoz]

There is no need to follow a certain genetic schema to become a Greek, to be a Turk or to be involved in any other ethnicity. Caucasian, Anatolian, Balkan, Cypriot and Middle Eastern Turks are different from each other genetically but they are still Turk. Greeks from Anatolia, Mainland, Caucasus, Cyprus and Pontus are different from each other but if they call themselves Greek, they are Greek and there must be a reason for them to call themselves Greek. You may find a husband to end your thirst when you understand that Raine.

[Böri]

Do you sincerely think you have anything to do with a Finn or Estonian who have the highest Steppe ancestry in Europe?

Autistic Orthodox retard where did İ say I was same or related with Finns and Eesti in an ethnical sense?

[wvwvw]

Greeks would rather like to identify with Saxons or Angles (like Raine) than to MENA people with whom they lived 3000 years at least.

Greeks can't accept the fact they don't belong to Germanic world... which is like 70% of modern Europe.

I’m content to belong to the Greek world. Greece was never colonized by Menas, it was Greeks who colonized those places which resulted to their genocide by menas or their assimilation.

I would be happy if Greece left the EUrabian Germanic Union.

[Kouros]

Turkic peoples not north East Asians. Imo Finno-Ugric are closest to Turkic peoples.



Autistic Orthodox retard where did İ say I was same or related with Finns and Eesti in an ethnical sense?

Don't twist my words. I never said anything about an ethnical connection. I didn't sign up to this site to fight with Turkish OWD trolls that get triggered by Lavrentis posting some blonde retard from his village so I'll end this discussion here.

[Böri]

Don't twist my words. I never said anything about an ethnical connection. I didn't sign up to this site to fight with Turkish OWD trolls that get triggered by Lavrentis posting some blonde retard from his village so I'll end this discussion here.

That's the extraction by the other retarded, psychologically hurted Iranian Kurd Pahli Zoran.
Here is the full post.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?208642-Do-Japanese-hate-Chinese&p=4373621&viewfull=1#post4373621

I am talking about proto-level people.
I explain that Turks appeared in South Siberia in the very beginning, Turks were living between Tungus-Mongols to their east and Uralic-FU to their west.
So yeah original Turks were more similar with original Uralians than with Sinic people.
How can you autist conclude that I say I wannabe Estonians?

[kingjohn]

raine
i got a feeling that turks are not exactly
your cup of tea am i right ?
:confused:

[Böri]

Cretans, Cypriots, (Southern Italians) and other Greeks have still striking continuinity with their Mycenean and Minoan ancestors.


What next, south French from Marseille, which was old colonization zone, also Greeks ?
Cypriots are more Lebanese than mainlander Greek, just as Pontians are closer to Georgians or Armenians than to mainlanders.

[CabOOM]

Look who talks about being bastard xD We have genetic components helping us to track for us, however the Greek genetics are like one big failure.
Azov is Hellenicized Turko-Scythian. (if they had substantial Ukrainian/Slavic mix they shouldn't be anywhere next to any Turkic group).
Pontic is Hellenicized east Anatolian.
Epirus Greek is Hellenicized Albanian.
Cyprus and Crete are Hellenicized Levants.

Who is real Greek among all those?

It is not correct to say Hellenized. Byzantinfied should be the correct term. The real Hellenes are the Arvanita. The Arvanita spoke and speak Albanian.

Small recap.

Peloponnese

-Turkish Archives from the 1500's reveal that the entirety of Peloponnese was Albanian speaking(with exceptions of big cities that had Byzantine influence)

-Alfred Philippson in 1890 maps out the linguistic situation in Peloponnese (Un-shaded areas reveal where Albanian was spoken but was currently not in 1890)

https://i.imgur.com/jAOOqTX.jpg


It is very clear that there has been a gradual process of Byzantification of the Albanian speaking population in the Peloponnese through the churches. The entirety of the Peloponnese are Arvanita, whether they speak Arvanita or not.


-Villages in Central Greece still speak Albanian(Arvanita)

The only people that can lay claim to Greece or the Hellenes are the Arvanita and Arvanita like people of Peloponnese and Central Greece.

Everyone else is a collection of Byzantine subjects that learned their language from Byzantine Empire. They are left overs of that empire that have nothing to do with Greece.

This is the unfortunate game the big powers played on Greece. It is also the reason why that country will not hold censuses or oblige to international standards of humanity. It is a fake country created by the West to suit what the West needs Greece to be.

It is not a coincidence current and former Arvanita inhabited areas coincides with Ancient Greece.

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/CWPWCE/old-map-of-ancient-greece-CWPWCE.jpg


The rest of you are what you came from. If you came from Bulgaria, you are of Bulgarian stock that was Byzantified (Romei)
If you came form Anatolia you are Anatolians that have been Byzantified (Pontians, Anatolians, Cappadocians, etc)
If you came from Azov then you are a Turkic-Ukrainian group of people that have been Byznatified (Azov "Greek")
If you are Cretan, you are Cretan that have been Byzantified
If you are from Cyprus, then you are a Levant people that have been Byzantified.

This is all what Greece is. A collection of random people.

[FilhoV]

Did you upload the video you fugly dwarf?

Interesting how this you tube poster has uploaded only this video and has no posting history.

You look mena looking and fugly af.
Typical moronic and complex issues again from you I found this video on Anthroscape you degenerate

[FilhoV]

There have been probably dozens of different Greek results posted on here, you did not accept any of them. So, take your medicine and get the fuck out of here you self hater sick girl.

She is mentally insane

[wvwvw]

It is not correct to say Hellenized. Byzantinfied should be the correct term. The real Hellenes are the Arvanita. The Arvanita spoke and speak Albanian.

Small recap.

Peloponnese

-Turkish Archives from the 1500's reveal that the entirety of Peloponnese was Albanian speaking(with exceptions of big cities that had Byzantine influence)

-Alfred Philippson in 1890 maps out the linguistic situation in Peloponnese (Un-shaded areas reveal where Albanian was spoken but was currently not in 1890)

https://i.imgur.com/jAOOqTX.jpg


It is very clear that there has been a gradual process of Byzantification of the Albanian speaking population in the Peloponnese through the churches. The entirety of the Peloponnese are Arvanita, whether they speak Arvanita or not.


-Villages in Central Greece still speak Albanian(Arvanita)

The only people that can lay claim to Greece or the Hellenes are the Arvanita and Arvanita like people of Peloponnese and Central Greece.

Everyone else is a collection of Byzantine subjects that learned their language from Byzantine Empire. They are left overs of that empire that have nothing to do with Greece.

This is the unfortunate game the big powers played on Greece. It is also the reason why that country will not hold censuses or oblige to international standards of humanity. It is a fake country created by the West to suit what the West needs Greece to be.

It is not a coincidence current and former Arvanita inhabited areas coincides with Ancient Greece.

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/CWPWCE/old-map-of-ancient-greece-CWPWCE.jpg


The rest of you are what you came from. If you came from Bulgaria, you are of Bulgarian stock that was Byzantified (Romei)
If you came form Anatolia you are Anatolians that have been Byzantified (Pontians, Anatolians, Cappadocians, etc)
If you came from Azov then you are a Turkic-Ukrainian group of people that have been Byznatified (Azov "Greek")
If you are Cretan, you are Cretan that have been Byzantified

This is all what Greece is. A collection of random people.

A collection of GREEK people.

NEW YORK – According to a recent study of DNA from ancient Mycenaeans and Minoans, scientists have discovered that most of the genetic code is similar to that of modern Greeks. The findings were published in Nature: the International Journal of Science, and reported in Science magazine. Since Homer wrote his epic poems The Iliad and The Odyssey, Greeks have considered the Mycenaeans their ancestors.

The Mycenaeans, who built their civilization and dominated Greece and the Aegean Sea around 1600 BCE-1200 BCE, are in fact the ancestors of modern Greeks, as reported in Science magazine. Only a small part of modern Greek DNA is from later groups that migrated into the country, Science reported, adding that the Mycenaeans are also “closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 BCE- 1400 BCE.

Alissa Mittnik, a molecular biologist at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, Germany, one of the paper’s authors, said there was evidence of a strong continuity between both civilisations and today’s Greeks. “Modern Greek people are very closely related to the Mycenaeans and Minoans,” she said. “That was one of the very interesting findings.”

[FilhoV]

Grande Burra do Caralho. Mulher sem juízo.

[FilhoV]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?204130-Half-Sicilian-Half-Pontic-Greek-ADNA-Results

[wvwvw]

She is mentally insane

You are the bitter mentally ill troll with the severe inferiority complexes about his gypo apperance and dwarfist height.

[brennus dux gallorum]

maybe they are mostly greek by culture less by genes ....
Neither by culture, they differ significantly

However, they speak a Greek dialect, and feel being Greek, so yes I personally accept them as equal Greek

[FilhoV]

You are the bitter mentally ill troll with the severe inferiority complexes about his gypo apperance and dwarfist height.


Say who you! HAHAHAH I’ve already been classified many a times stop with your idiocy you self loathing poor excuse of a women. Clean your self up and go get a boyfriend I hear Mortimer is single give him a try.

[FilhoV]

Faceless goblin I can already envisioning you smacking your self up the head with your own keyboard cursing my name hahahaha you waste of life. Your attitude is a dry as that crusty pussy you have you bitter cunt.

[brennus dux gallorum]

It is not correct to say Hellenized. Byzantinfied should be the correct term. The real Hellenes are the Arvanita. The Arvanita spoke and speak Albanian.

Small recap.

Peloponnese

-Turkish Archives from the 1500's reveal that the entirety of Peloponnese was Albanian speaking(with exceptions of big cities that had Byzantine influence)

-Alfred Philippson in 1890 maps out the linguistic situation in Peloponnese (Un-shaded areas reveal where Albanian was spoken but was currently not in 1890)

https://i.imgur.com/jAOOqTX.jpg


It is very clear that there has been a gradual process of Byzantification of the Albanian speaking population in the Peloponnese through the churches. The entirety of the Peloponnese are Arvanita, whether they speak Arvanita or not.


-Villages in Central Greece still speak Albanian(Arvanita)

The only people that can lay claim to Greece or the Hellenes are the Arvanita and Arvanita like people of Peloponnese and Central Greece.

Everyone else is a collection of Byzantine subjects that learned their language from Byzantine Empire. They are left overs of that empire that have nothing to do with Greece.

This is the unfortunate game the big powers played on Greece. It is also the reason why that country will not hold censuses or oblige to international standards of humanity. It is a fake country created by the West to suit what the West needs Greece to be.

It is not a coincidence current and former Arvanita inhabited areas coincides with Ancient Greece.

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/CWPWCE/old-map-of-ancient-greece-CWPWCE.jpg


The rest of you are what you came from. If you came from Bulgaria, you are of Bulgarian stock that was Byzantified (Romei)
If you came form Anatolia you are Anatolians that have been Byzantified (Pontians, Anatolians, Cappadocians, etc)
If you came from Azov then you are a Turkic-Ukrainian group of people that have been Byznatified (Azov "Greek")
If you are Cretan, you are Cretan that have been Byzantified
If you are from Cyprus, then you are a Levant people that have been Byzantified.

This is all what Greece is. A collection of random people.

Nice theory, but except for the fact that such "Turkish archives" do not exist except of your illusions, visit peloponnese to ensure yourself that people have nothing in common with your balloon headed brachycephalic kind

Everything else you write is just the typical garbage of all the people from the most retarded and isolated country in Europe (with an official iq of 88) write in the net so far, completely insane things with zero support from sources

[KingOf]

Neither by culture, they differ significantly

However, they speak a Greek dialect, and feel being Greek, so yes I personally accept them as equal Greek

why do you think they differ significantly culturally?

[brennus dux gallorum]

why do you think they differ significantly culturally?

Their music scale, customs etc, which is normal, as they were living very far from Greece for years

But as I said that doesn't make them less Greek, the opposite, I would say they observe some archaic aspects (a Pontian had called them "homeric") that most of us have lost.

After all, Greece is a polymorphic nation

[wvwvw]

why do you think they differ significantly culturally?

Actually they don’t. Maybe their ancestors due to isolation.

[KingOf]

Their music scale, customs etc, which is normal, as they were living very far from Greece for years

But as I said that doesn't make them less Greek, the opposite, I would say they observe some archaic aspects (a Pontian had called them "homeric") that most of us have lost.

After all, Greece is a polymorphic nation

My opinion:
Music instruments dont recognise modern nations and borders... only regions... so Greece plays similar music styles based on regions with Italy (your island), Albania ,Fyrom ,Bulgaria ,Turkey and in the case of Pontic Greeks, Caucasus
If a traditional song is in a Greek dialect is Greek... if its in Bulgarian, Turkish etc its not despite similar music
So lyrics make the origins of traditional music not music itself

[brennus dux gallorum]

BTW who defines what is Greek dna and what not? Why Greek dna is that of Greeks proper and pontian dna is non Greek and not vice versa?

Greece is something much more than a dna

[wvwvw]

maybe they are mostly greek by culture less by genes ....

No that would be the Jews

[brennus dux gallorum]

My opinion:
Music instruments dont recognise modern nations and borders... only regions... so Greece plays similar music styles based on regions with Italy (your island), Albania ,Fyrom ,Bulgaria ,Turkey and in the case of Pontic Greeks, Caucasus
If a traditional song is in a Greek dialect is Greek... if its in Bulgarian, Turkish etc its not despite similar music
So lyrics make the origins of traditional music not music itself

For that reason I said music scale and not just music

Music of Greece, at least mainstream, has mainly byzantine and 13th century frankish influence, with the exception of ionian islands.

[KingOf]

For that reason I said music scale and not just music

Music of Greece, at least mainstream, has mainly byzantine and 13th century frankish influence, with the exception of ionian islands.

what is this exception of Ionian islands?

[FilhoV]

To all the Greek members I have no problem with Greeks ignore Raine and her infinite crying

[kingjohn]

No that would be the Jews

how the jews related to this pontic greek result?:picard2:
this pontic greek results is very different from mainland greek
only a blind couldn't see :picard2:

[brennus dux gallorum]

what is this exception of Ionian islands?

Ionian islands adopted some post-15th century influences from Italy, meanwhile such influences in southern mainland and Aegean islands are limited to pre-15th century music of this country.

Anyway, these are musicological issues, that I can't explain much in English, so post me pm :)

[wvwvw]

how the jews related to this pontic greek result?:picard2:
this pontic greek results is very different from mainland greek
only a blind couldn't see :picard2:

I am only interested in Pontic results from Greece, not of ”Pontic” results from all corners of the earth from people who are only partially Greek, and from people who have never set foot in Greece. Many of those people come from the former Soviet union where they were forbidden to practise their religion and where they did not have self rule but were a minority. As a result many assimilated with the local populations, the Ukrainians, Georgians, Armenians and the people they lived with. And then they emigrated to USA or Australia without any of their ancestors having ever set foot in Greece.

[CabOOM]

Nice theory, but except for the fact that such "Turkish archives" do not exist except of your illusions, visit peloponnese to ensure yourself that people have nothing in common with your balloon headed brachycephalic kind

Everything else you write is just the typical garbage of all the people from the most retarded and isolated country in Europe (with an official iq of 88) write in the net so far, completely insane things with zero support from sources

Like your reply, everything these "Greek" poster are replying is garbage. Purposely forgetting the Byzantine that spoke Kione in all their Churches. Also forgetting how this Byzantine Church had complete control of their Christian subjects during the Ottoman occupation.

Continue with these ancient theories of Hellenization. lol Pure comedy. Thankfully we have genetics to show how stupid all these ridiculous things you all say are.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6da6e563530b67bc743f6831e1656f11/tenor.gif?itemid=3556481

[FilhoV]

His K36
https://i.imgur.com/wcrBOrv.png

[kingjohn]

I am only interested in Pontic results from Greece, not of ”Pontic” results from all corners of the earth from people who are only partially Greek, and from people who have never set foot in Greece. Many of those people come from the former Soviet union where they were forbidden to practise their religion and where they did not have self rule but were a minority. As a result many assimilated with the local populations, the Ukrainians, Georgians, Armenians and the people they lived with. And then they emigrated to USA or Australia without any of their ancestors having ever set foot in Greece.

whatever you shouldn't mention the jews
my religion have no connection what so ever here.
maybe kleenex[all his ancestors mainland greeks} is willing to post his euroegense k13 results
and than you will see the huge gap to this pontic greek.
and he is greek either way culturally .....

[brennus dux gallorum]

Like your reply, everything these "Greek" poster are replying is garbage. Purposely forgetting the Byzantine that spoke Kione in all their Churches. Also forgetting how this Byzantine Church had complete control of their Christian subjects during the Ottoman occupation.

Continue with these ancient theories of Hellenization. lol Pure comedy. Thankfully we have genetics to show how stupid all these ridiculous things you all say are.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6da6e563530b67bc743f6831e1656f11/tenor.gif?itemid=3556481

As expected, nothing better than clueless garbage, pure nonsense that no single source could support, clueless garbage that could come only from a nation with an iq 88, and do you know something? My problem is not the lies about "hellenization" that you spread here and no source support (the opposite, see any genetic study) but your attempt to associate us with your balloon headed inferior race

You can call us hellenized Africans, but never associate us with subhumans like you

[Sikeliot]

There is no coherent Greek genetic cluster because the original Greeks conquered vast lands and brought multiple people into their fold. You have everything from being just slightly less Slavic than a Bulgarian, to Sicilian-like islanders, to Pontians who are Caucasus people, Cypriots who are more Levantine, etc.

[CabOOM]

As expected, nothing better than clueless garbage, pure nonsense that no single source could support, clueless garbage that could come only from a nation with an iq 88, and do you know something? My problem is not the lies about "hellenization" that you spread here and no source support (the opposite, see any genetic study) but your attempt to associate us with your balloon headed inferior race

You can call us hellenized Africans, but never associate us with subhumans like you

In this globalized environment, everyone is being associated with everyone.

If you're referring to your Romei, Pontian, Anatolain, Cyprian, Bulgarian, Gypsy, or what ever other group of people you descend from, I assure you no-one in Albania cares for you, your culture, history, or what ever fantasy you keep. It's only the Arvanita, Cams and the Vlach we care about. The rest of you are garbage.

[Marmara]

I'm very curious about typical Pontic phenotype, culture and stereotype about Pontians in Greece. Can people post some examples? Could Be from famous people.

[kingjohn]

There is no coherent Greek genetic cluster because the original Greeks conquered vast lands and brought multiple people into their fold. You have everything from being just slightly less Slavic than a Bulgarian, to Sicilian-like islanders, to Pontians who are Caucasus people, Cypriots who are more Levantine, etc.

you say the obvious :thumb001:

[kleenex]

whatever you shouldn't mention the jews
my religion have no connection what so ever here.
maybe kleenex[all his ancestors mainland greeks} is willing to post his euroegense k13 results
and than you will see the huge gap to this pontic greek.
and he is greek either way culturally .....

I would be willing to but I'm guessing the point is that Pontic Greeks have an equal claim to the Hellenic legacy as mainland Greeks even though there may be some genetic distance between mainlanders and those populations of the diaspora. @ wvwvw is a mainland Greek as well.

[Sikeliot]

I would be willing to but I'm guessing the point is that Pontic Greeks have an equal claim to the Hellenic legacy as mainland Greeks even though there may be some genetic distance between mainlanders and those populations of the diaspora. @ wvwvw is a mainland Greek as well.

Pontic Greeks are as far as I am concerned a separate ethnic group altogether.

[brennus dux gallorum]

In this globalized environment, everyone is being associated with everyone.

If you're referring to your Romei, Pontian, Anatolain, Cyprian, Bulgarian, Gypsy, or what ever other group of people you descend from, I assure you no-one in Albania cares for you, your culture, history, or what ever fantasy you keep. It's only the Arvanita, Cams and the Vlach we care about. The rest of you are garbage.

Even though I am surprised that you don't care about gypsies, as they are your iq relatives, you can care about whatever you want, just never lie again about any Greek region, either it is peloponnese or central Greece

[kingjohn]

I would be willing to but I'm guessing the point is that Pontic Greeks have an equal claim to the Hellenic legacy as mainland Greeks even though there may be some genetic distance between mainlanders and those populations of the diaspora. @ wvwvw is a mainland Greek as well.

did i say the don't ?
you don't see me explode when i see how far yemenite jew from an aschenazi genetically but both are jews
same goes for all greeks
anyway my relgion have nothing to do here , did i curse the orthodox church ?
no.

[Kouros]

I'm very curious about typical Pontic phenotype, culture and stereotype about Pontians in Greece. Can people post some examples? Could Be from famous people.

I already did on the 1st/2nd page. They are usually Meditteraneans and alpines, sometimes Taurid types.


In this globalized environment, everyone is being associated with everyone.

If you're referring to your Romei, Pontian, Anatolain, Cyprian, Bulgarian, Gypsy, or what ever other group of people you descend from, I assure you no-one in Albania cares for you, your culture, history, or what ever fantasy you keep. It's only the Arvanita, Cams and the Vlach we care about. The rest of you are garbage.

But you certainly do care, because you just joined this forum like a month ago and 90% of your posts are about Greeks, regardless of what the thread topic is.

And again, an Albanian calling any other country "garbage" is the most laughable thing considering the state of your country is in the same tier as African countries.

You're just a typical butthurt Albanian unloading all his anger and shortcomings on neighboring countries. Laberia does the exact same. You will both mature soon enough.

[kleenex]

did i say the don't ?
you don't see me explode when i see how far yemenite jew from an aschenazi genetically but both are jews
same goes for all greeks
anyway my relgion have nothing to do here , did i curse the orthodox church ?
no.

No I didn't I get your point about the genetics. There is a substantial difference from the examples I've seen.

[Marmara]

I already did on the 1st/2nd page. They are usually Meditteraneans and alpines, sometimes Taurid types.

Are there any stereotypes about Pontic Greeks in Greece? I heard they weren't welcomed well when they first arrived. Can you guess a Greek is Pontic just by looking?

[FilhoV]

This fugly semitic looking dwarf FilWhoriv has a history of bumping up troll threads, and a history of posting really exotic Cypriots and Greeks for clasifying. He had disappeared to his hole for awhile until he resurfaced as Filwhoriv again.

You must have me confused for someone else you delusional girl

[CabOOM]

Even though I am surprised that you don't care about gypsies, as they are your iq relatives, you can care about whatever you want, just never lie again about any Greek region, either it is peloponnese or central Greece

Peloponnese and Central Greece are Arvanita lands.


I already did on the 1st/2nd page. They are usually Meditteraneans and alpines, sometimes Taurid types.



But you certainly do care, because you just joined this forum like a month ago and 90% of your posts are about Greeks, regardless of what the thread topic is.

And again, an Albanian calling any other country "garbage" is the most laughable thing considering the state of your country is in the same tier as African countries.

You're just a typical butthurt Albanian unloading all his anger and shortcomings on neighboring countries. Laberia does the exact same. You will both mature soon enough.

I'm telling you the truth. If you don't like it its your problem. It is hilarious how you people claim to be Hellenes when you are all a collection of these kind of people. America runs perfectly fine with a huge collection of people. America doesn't need to claim some ancient alien Mayan theories. loll

I'm just enjoying the show, maan.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/896/932/8d4.gif

[Kouros]

Are there any Pontian stereotypes in Greece?

The only stereotype I've heard is that they are incredibly smart. Which I can agree with from personal experience. Other than that, nope. It's only on here that some ppl don't like them.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Are there any stereotypes about Pontic Greeks in Greece? I heard they weren't welcomed well when they first arrived.

There are some jokes, like jokes of English about Irish, but not aggressive. They are considered contributors

Yes, back then they were not welcomed, which is normal, local people back then were more conservative and preoccupied

[brennus dux gallorum]

Peloponnese and Central Greece are Arvanita lands.



I'm telling you the truth. If you don't like it its your problem. It is hilarious how you people claim to be Hellenes when you are all a collection of these kind of people. America runs perfectly fine with a huge collection of people. America doesn't need to claim some ancient alien Mayan theories. loll

I'm just enjoying the show, maan.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/896/932/8d4.gif

What is the truth hilarious 88 iq shiptar garbage?

Truth is something you can support with sources, and all trashes you have posted so far can't be supported by any source

Where did you read those things about Peloponnese and central Greece dumb? In Albanian books?

Try to find one source which claims "Arvanitas" represent the population as a whole in these regions,cause no source gives a percentage higher than 9%

How do people in peloponnese feel when you call them arvanites, implying that they are relatives of a nation with iq 88, the Albanians?

[wvwvw]

Are there any stereotypes about Pontic Greeks in Greece? I heard they weren't welcomed well when they first arrived. Can you guess a Greek is Pontic just by looking?

Euclides Courtidis one of the most famous fighters of Pontus

http://www.pontos-news.gr/sites/default/files/styles/square_big/public/pontosold/fileseyklidis_507296963.jpg?itok=81mtub-Z

http://www.pontos-news.gr/sites/default/files/styles/square_big/public/pontosold/filesst_helen_of_sinopi_804638245.jpg?itok=-D5ORiG3
Helena of Sinope, was slaughtered by Turks in the 18th century at the age of 15

http://cdn1.bbend.net/media/com_news/story/2016/02/19/671710/main/kontogiannidis.jpg
Paulos Kontogiannidis, famous Pontian actor and spokesman of Pontians

http://greekaus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/pan.jpg
Pantelis Pantelidis, singer

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sH8mscsranc/VMEfjBk4nYI/AAAAAAAABLo/xlgWeeLAPMQ/s1600/Christoforidis_Periklis_B.jpg
Pericles Christoforidis, famous old actor

http://www.protothema.gr/files/1/2013/10/28/F3_10-platos.jpg
Parthena Horozidou, actress

http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/kiourtzidis1.jpg
Euclides Kiourtzidis

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qRyEA_nNJKk/Uh3tpVo38oI/AAAAAAAAzs0/j9Ct-rfkxgg/s1600/Antoniadis.png
Christos Antoniadis

http://www.gossip-tv.gr/media/com_news/story/2014/04/11/313598/main/0bc1c33c87a751f359e732adf8e0038b.jpg
Panagiotis Supiadis

”Pontian refugees talk about their lives after the exchange”


https://youtu.be/VPvgOjs2lsA

[CabOOM]

What is the truth hilarious 88 iq shiptar garbage?

Truth is something you can support with sources, and all trashes you have posted so far can't be supported by any source

Where did you read those things about Peloponnese and central Greece dumb? In Albanian books?

I probably have the highest IQ in this whole forum.

Don't focus on me. I want to hear these ancient Hellene theories. Not no Byzantine Church likelihood of changing peoples language through the Church. NO! Not this! I want to hear some ancient theories of Hellenization.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/896/932/8d4.gif

[Kouros]

I'm telling you the truth. If you don't like it its your problem. It is hilarious how you people claim to be Hellenes when you are all a collection of these kind of people. America runs perfectly fine with a huge collection of people. America doesn't need to claim some ancient alien Mayan theories. loll

I'm just enjoying the show, maan.


If you don't care then why are you here? Shouldn't you be whoring out your sister or daughter like most Albanians do in countries other than their own?

[brennus dux gallorum]

I probably have the highest IQ in this whole forum.

Don't focus on me. I want to hear these ancient Hellene theories. Not no Byzantine Church likelihood of changing peoples language through the Church. NO! Not this! I want to hear some ancient theories of Hellenization.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/896/932/8d4.gif

You are Albanian, average iq there is 88, I doubt if you are the smartest in your country

As long as you spread something in the forum, you will have to support them with sources, if there is no source to support them, you what you say is just garbage. And you just claimed garbage about peloponnese and central Greece that it seems you obviously can't support

Don't give a bad name to these regions again, poor low iq

[CabOOM]

If you don't care then why are you here? Shouldn't you be whoring out your sister or daughter like most Albanians do in countries other than their own?

Wow! That Hellenization man. Strong Hellenized culture you got there.

When did you get Hellenized? Probably like 5 millions ago.

https://i1.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Eating-Popcorn-Soda.gif?ssl=1

[Kouros]

I probably have the highest IQ in this whole forum.

No you don't. High IQ people don't say "I have the highest IQ". You took an 'online' IQ test when authentic IQ tests can't be taken online, hence your IQ is probably far below even the Albanian average.

[catgeorge]

Pontic Greeks are as far as I am concerned a separate ethnic group altogether.

Like South Italians separate ethnic group to North Italians.

They are Caucasian Greeks and identify as such as Azov Greeks.. we have Egyptian Greeks, Italian Greeks, Romanian Greeks, Slavic Greeks and new world we have American Greeks, Canadian Greeks, Australian Greeks that intermarried with locals but still self identify with Greek ethnicity. So once again lots of garbage.

[brennus dux gallorum]

There is no coherent Greek genetic cluster because the original Greeks conquered vast lands and brought multiple people into their fold. You have everything from being just slightly less Slavic than a Bulgarian, to Sicilian-like islanders, to Pontians who are Caucasus people, Cypriots who are more Levantine, etc.
EASTERN SICILIAN, the rest of sicilians can't claim relations with these islanders just because of a small part in the eastern island

[CabOOM]

No you don't. High IQ people don't say "I have the highest IQ". You took an 'online' IQ test when authentic IQ tests can't be taken online, hence your IQ is probably far below even the Albanian average.

I didn't say I have a high IQ. I said I probably have the highest IQ in this forum. That word in there is important.

Lets focus on this Pontian.

I personally think he is a pure Greek from like 5,000 years go. Gave birth to Alexander the great or some crazy stuff like that.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/896/932/8d4.gif

[Marmara]

”Pontian refugees talk about their lives after the exchange”


https://youtu.be/VPvgOjs2lsA

What about the music being played here, is this Pontic music? Doesn't sound like ordinary Greek music.

[Mingle]

In this globalized environment, everyone is being associated with everyone.

If you're referring to your Romei, Pontian, Anatolain, Cyprian, Bulgarian, Gypsy, or what ever other group of people you descend from, I assure you no-one in Albania cares for you, your culture, history, or what ever fantasy you keep. It's only the Arvanita, Cams and the Vlach we care about. The rest of you are garbage.

I'm not even Greek but I find your trolling very irritating. I see you spouting this nonsense on nearly every single thread remotely related to Greeks. Do you enjoy making your people look like provocative trolls?

And it's extremely obvious you are trolling cause every time the Greek members prove you wrong, you ignore their sources and then continue your spamming about Hellenization.

[Mingle]

Ionian islands adopted some post-15th century influences from Italy, meanwhile such influences in southern mainland and Aegean islands are limited to pre-15th century music of this country.

Anyway, these are musicological issues, that I can't explain much in English, so post me pm :)

What influences do you guys specifically have from Italy?

[brennus dux gallorum]

I'm not even Greek but I find your trolling very irritating. I see you spouting this nonsense on nearly every single thread remotely related to Greeks. Do you enjoy making your people look like provocative trolls?

And it's extremely obvious you are trolling cause every time the Greek members prove you wrong, you ignore their sources and then continue your spamming about Hellenization.

That's obvious

Otherwise, of he had a single evidence he would post it to support his claims

[brennus dux gallorum]

What influences do you guys specifically have from Italy?

That's not part of the thread, if you want post me pm

[Marmara]

Ionian islands adopted some post-15th century influences from Italy, meanwhile such influences in southern mainland and Aegean islands are limited to pre-15th century music of this country.

Anyway, these are musicological issues, that I can't explain much in English, so post me pm :)

Post examples.

[Leto]

I'm not even Greek but I find your trolling very irritating. I see you spouting this nonsense on nearly every single thread remotely related to Greeks. Do you enjoy making your people look like provocative trolls?

And it's extremely obvious you are trolling cause every time the Greek members prove you wrong, you ignore their sources and then continue your spamming about Hellenization.
Some Albanians seem to want to be Greeks for some reason. Maybe because Greeks have a richer and much more famous culture.

[Marmara]

That's not part of the thread, if you want post me pm

It's much more relevant than the retarded argument about Arvantines that is going on for pages.

[CabOOM]

I'm not even Greek but I find your trolling very irritating. I see you spouting this nonsense on nearly every single thread remotely related to Greeks. Do you enjoy making your people look like provocative trolls?

And it's extremely obvious you are trolling cause every time the Greek members prove you wrong, you ignore their sources and then continue your spamming about Hellenization.

What use are sources when this whole thread is about comedy. Anyone here willing to have a serious discussion? These people wont even admit there are large minorities in Greece. We are far off from having a normal discussion.

We can enjoy the show though. :)

[CabOOM]

double post

[Kouros]

I'm not even Greek but I find your trolling very irritating. I see you spouting this nonsense on nearly every single thread remotely related to Greeks. Do you enjoy making your people look like provocative trolls?

And it's extremely obvious you are trolling cause every time the Greek members prove you wrong, you ignore their sources and then continue your spamming about Hellenization.

It's ok, he can cry and chirp all he wants. It's the Albanian national pastime.

[brennus dux gallorum]

What use are sources when this whole thread is about comedy. Anyone here willing to have a serious discussion? These people wont even admit there are large minorities in Greece. We are far off from having a normal discussion.

We can enjoy the show though. :)

If you post something serious to support your claims, we will obviously admit it

[wvwvw]

https://youtu.be/X_MYftjCLsE
Sofia Emertziadou, Pontian cook, makes Pontian food

[CabOOM]

If you post something serious to support your claims, we will obviously admit it

Sure. What percent of the population of Greece are from Anatolia? What percent are from Bulgaria? How many Arvanita are there in Greece? How many Cams? How many Vlach? How many Slavic speakers? Pomaks? Turks?

Im sure Raine will jump in here about some crazy new theories.

There is absolutely no point to having a serious discussion.

[CabOOM]

It's ok, he can cry and chirp all he wants. It's the Albanian national pastime.

https://i1.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Eating-Popcorn-Soda.gif?ssl=1

[brennus dux gallorum]

Sure. What percent of the population of Greece are from Anatolia? What percent are from Bulgaria? How many Arvanita are there in Greece? How many Cams? How many Vlach? How many Slavic speakers? Pomaks? Turks?

Im sure Raine will jump in here about some crazy new theories.

There is absolutely no point to having a serious discussion.
There are well detailed percentages for all of them in Wikipedia

"arvanitas" are 1-3%, not half of the country like you claimed, chams 0%,

[Kouros]

There are well detailed percentages for all of them in Wikipedia

"arvanitas" are 1-3%, not half of the country like you claimed, chams 0%,

This has nothing to do with the fucking thread. Don't reply to him. I've already replied to him many times about his bullshit antics in related threads and he won't respond. He's just another low IQ troll.

[brennus dux gallorum]

This has nothing to do with the fucking thread. Don't reply to him. I've already replied to him many times about his bullshit antics in related threads and he won't respond. He's just another low IQ troll.

I know, and it's really sad that such idiots make us posting off-topic things

[FilhoV]

You are the bitter mentally ill troll with the severe inferiority complexes about his gypo apperance and dwarfist height.

Until you post your picture on this forum you have no right to speak about anything regarding phenotypes you are probably the most if not top 10 active user and yet you have yet to show your face which already proves my point that you’re insecure

Regarding that comment that I’m quoting that is impossible without having admixture from that particular group

Again your trolling is low IQ https://i.imgur.com/LE1JpTj.png

[kleenex]

What is the truth hilarious 88 iq shiptar garbage?

Truth is something you can support with sources, and all trashes you have posted so far can't be supported by any source

Where did you read those things about Peloponnese and central Greece dumb? In Albanian books?

Try to find one source which claims "Arvanitas" represent the population as a whole in these regions,cause no source gives a percentage higher than 9%

How do people in peloponnese feel when you call them arvanites, implying that they are relatives of a nation with iq 88, the Albanians?

There's no indication of any Arvanitika heredity in my family tree and I've managed to trace my paternal lineage (very old mountain village in Messinia, Peloponnese) back pre-Schism.

[FilhoV]

I honestly feel bad for the Greeks in forum that you walk among th Raine. You have no life whatsoever. A complete waste of a female body is what you are and you call yourself pro Greek smh

[brennus dux gallorum]

There's no indication of any Arvanitika heredity in my family tree and I've managed to trace my paternal lineage (very old mountain village in Messinia, Peloponnese) back pre-Schism.

The troll was banned, so we can get back to the topic :)

[FilhoV]

RANIE POST YOUR PHOTO IF YOU ARENT INSECURE!!!!

[wvwvw]

I honestly feel bad for the Greeks in forum that you walk among th Raine. You have no life whatsoever. A complete waste of a female body is what you are and you call yourself pro Greek smh

Get lost from my screen ratface

[FilhoV]

Get lost from my screen ratface

That was incredibly weak like your shit arguments

[wvwvw]

What influences do you guys specifically have from Italy?

It looks a bit like Italy

https://www.alargo.no/admin/Media/Photos/Content/113/corfubyalargo-1.jpg

http://blog.kudoybook.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/CorfuBoats_178933340.jpg

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/3a/02/21/church-at-fortress.jpg

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/dassia-beach-corfu-greece-59481839.jpg


https://youtu.be/I51JHaxD5gY


https://youtu.be/7L22iAyEvjA

[wvwvw]

What about the music being played here, is this Pontic music? Doesn't sound like ordinary Greek music.

Pontian music never succeded to become mainstream music, unlike the music of Asia Minor Greeks. Personally I have a hard time listening to it. I don’t like it. I hardly understand what they’re saying lol


https://youtu.be/JtvpSHd5h4g

[Marmara]

Pontian music never succeded to become mainstream music, unlike the music of Asia Minor Greeks. Personally I have a hard time listening to it. I don’t like it. I hardly understand what they’re saying lol


https://youtu.be/JtvpSHd5h4g

Are they singing in Pontian accent? By the way, what does mean "Yaraman, Ofaman" they were saying?

[kleenex]

Pontian music never succeded to become mainstream music, unlike the music of Asia Minor Greeks. Personally I have a hard time listening to it. I don’t like it.


https://youtu.be/JtvpSHd5h4g

In terms of time signature, tonality, vocal inflection, etc. closer to Turkish music I would say. I'm not an ethno-musicologist but I'm familiar with mainland Greek folk music (particularly Peloponnesian) and this music is fairly different.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Pontian music never succeded to become mainstream music, unlike the music of Asia Minor Greeks. Personally I have a hard time listening to it. I don’t like it. I hardly understand what they’re saying lol


https://youtu.be/JtvpSHd5h4g

I personally like it, it has something "wild" and "warlike", don't forget that pontians were great warriors and that reflects on their culture

[kleenex]

I personally like it, it has something "wild" and "warlike", don't forget that pontians were great warriors and that reflects on their culture

I once attended a Pontian Folk music festival in Astoria NY and was fully captivated.

[wvwvw]

In terms of time signature, tonality, vocal inflection, etc. closer to Turkish music I would say. I'm not an ethno-musicologist but I'm familiar with mainland Greek folk music (particularly Peloponnesian) and this music is fairly different.
:D

https://youtu.be/ayicnIQ-svU


https://youtu.be/QoygynMWwGs

[kleenex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyy__KCblN0&list=RDQyy__KCblN0

[FilhoV]

I can see this thread has kept her fully occupied (Raine)

Lack of employment probaly to blame

[Gangrel]

I can see this thread has kept her fully occupied (Raine)

Lack of employment probaly to blame

cant work when u smoking crack lel

[FilhoV]

She can’t even sell herself on the corner as no one wants her unless it’s the day to collect the garbage

[Mingle]

I have shared with ”Pontians” at 23 andme. One was a turkish troll posting under a Greek name, the other was a woman from Abkasia, who lived in Norway, could’t speak Greek and was only 1/4 Pontian Greek.

If every result posted here of Pontic Greeks is fake, then can you show us a Pontic Greek result that plots them with non-Pontic Greeks? Cause every one I've seen so far says they're genetically closest to those from the Black Sea region.

[FilhoV]

The kit posted is of a pontic Greek his GED match number is in the video all you have to do is go through his one too many matches and see who he matches with in large numbers and they are all Greeks from Asia Minor

[kingjohn]

RANIE POST YOUR PHOTO IF YOU ARENT INSECURE!!!!

she need to post her fucking picture .....

[Mmarlina]

There's no indication of any Arvanitika heredity in my family tree and I've managed to trace my paternal lineage (very old mountain village in Messinia, Peloponnese) back pre-Schism.

This is obviously a lie.

There is no study that compares Arvanita samples from Peloponnese to non-Arvanita samples from Peloponnese. It is therefore impossible for you to know if you are Arvanita based on your DNA. Messinia has received ample recorded immigration from Albania during Byzantine rule, and a unknown number of Arvanita speakers that were there prior to these events. In any way you look at it, this is obviously a incorrect statement.

[MercifulServant]

Typical results, Pontic Greeks are native Anatolians afterall.

[kleenex]

This is obviously a lie.

There is no study that compares Arvanita samples from Peloponnese to non-Arvanita samples from Peloponnese. It is therefore impossible for you to know if you are Arvanita based on your DNA. Messinia has received ample recorded immigration from Albania during Byzantine rule, and a unknown number of Arvanita speakers that were there prior to these events. In any way you look at it, this is obviously a incorrect statement.

So what's your point? Are you saying that Peloponnesians are by and large Albanians and there is no indigenous mainland Greek population. Are you including Tsakonians and Maniates in the Arvanita grouping as well. I guess I don't get where you're coming from.

[DarknessWin]

Pontian Greeks exist and are mostly Pontid in phenotype, now types like this guy are obviously caucasians and hellenized.
Not all Pontians have score like this in DNA tests and many of them score the same with the rest of Greeks

But its true that this guy is Hellenized Armenian-Georgian, we can see that even in his phenotype.
Not even a drop of Greek blood in him

[WillyWonka]

72490

Pontic Greek (Trabzon) - Eastern Thrace (Malkara)

[Bornoz]

72490

Pontic Greek (Trabzon) - Eastern Thrace (Malkara)

Which company is that?

[Voskos]

Pontic Greeks I never had good relations with them tbh.They behave very savage, unlike the rest of Anatolian Greeks.

[WillyWonka]

Which company is that?

AncestryDNA, the most accurate for me.

[FilhoV]

AncestryDNA, the most accurate for me.

I agree my AncestryDNA results were pretty spot on

[FilhoV]

Pontian Greeks exist and are mostly Pontid in phenotype, now types like this guy are obviously caucasians and hellenized.
Not all Pontians have score like this in DNA tests and many of them score the same with the rest of Greeks

But its true that this guy is Hellenized Armenian-Georgian, we can see that even in his phenotype.
Not even a drop of Greek blood in him

It’s very hard to come across their DNA results I found some on Facebook in a Greek genetics group

[FilhoV]

using same kit from video

Amerindian -
Arabian 2.09
Armenian 17.63
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 21.46
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 11.40
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 16.55
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 8.28
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.13
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 18.79
West_Med 3.66



nMonte3

GR_Pontus 0.9554419
TR_Trabzon 0.9641779
Armenians 1.2081356
GR_Central_Anatolia 1.4161268
IQ_Chaldean 1.6650717
Assyrians 1.7444707
Georgian_Jew 1.7472717
Lazes 1.7528981
Azerbeijani_Jew 1.8415475
IQ_Syriac 1.8588790


"distance%=0.9123"

GR_Pontus,49.2
TR_Trabzon,40.2
GR_Central_Anatolia,2.4
Armenians,1.6
Cyprus,1.6
Iraqi_Jew,1.2
Syrian_Jew,1
Lebanon_Muslim,0.8
Lazes,0.6
Lebanon_Christian,0.4
Belarus_Ashkenazy,0.2
IQ_Syriac,0.2
Libyan_Jew,0.2
Palestina,0.2
Samaritan,0.2


pen=0

"distance%=0.8855"

GR_Pontus,56.4
TR_Trabzon,33
Samaritan,9.6
GR_Central_Anatolia,0.6
Cyprus,0.2
Lazes,0.2

[Pribislav]

Greeks like this one are the worst nightmare of DarknessWin. :)

https://i.imgur.com/U6ZAVSW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/arPaxyj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2OYENZQ.jpg

[catgeorge]

Eastern Greek - goes with the territory of having Empires that lasted 2,000 years.

Would have been interesting if empire stretched to Western Europe and North but there was nothing there.