Classify Melissa Gorga (Too black to be Italian?)

[sankeby]

I recently came across a thread about Melissa Gorga accused of being black, and because I've recently been posting about it today I figured why not make another follow-up thread to this girl since a number of people on this forum seem to vehemently believe she is mixed despite multiple errors in that judgement.

This is what Gorga looks like with make up. Below you will see the discrepancies between what she looks like naturally versus artificially with makeup:
http://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/melissa-gorga/in-swimsuit-in-montville/Melissa-Gorga-in-Swimsuit-2017--12-662x993.jpg

This is what Gorga looked like not only as a teenager but as an adult without the unnecessary make up. You can see the consistencies here, as well as later photos, that she's had no surgeries that have altered her phenotype. Mind you, these photos are taken in good lightening which don't saturate her skin tone, the photos are at least decent, as well as they're up close and not taken from afar, as well as no makeup. Let's begin:
As an adult:
http://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2016023/rs_600x600-160123182226-600.TheresaMelissa-insta-012316.jpg
http://www.bravotv.com/sites/nbcubravotv/files/field_blog_image/2015/08/dish-081815-melissa-gorga.jpg

As a teenager, which shows the clear consistency in her phenotype so there should be no arguments about face surgery:
http://cld.fame10.com/image/upload/t_cn,f_auto,q_auto,$w_600/f10/2016/06/Melissa-Gorga-550x825.jpg

These are the photos that are the culprit of making her look "mixed". There are multiple problems with these photos: 1) Taken too far away to assess her phenotype 2) The picture quality is not only old but bad and it colour-saturated her skin in an unrealistic manner 3) The angle at which the pictures are taken obfuscates what her nose is like and makes it look more bulbous than what it actually is:
http://fauxrealityentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/gorga_melissa_before.jpg
http://www.bravotv.com/sites/nbcubravotv/files/styles/media-gallery-computer/public/legacy/images/real-housewives-of-new-jersey-season-3-before-they-were-housewives-melissa-07.jpg?itok=-zSGLRwD
http://www.bravotv.com/sites/nbcubravotv/files/styles/gallery-overview--1_5/public/legacy/images/real-housewives-of-new-jersey-season-3-before-they-were-housewives-melissa-10.jpg?itok=MSw-pp9c&timestamp=1417543412

Likewise, the same colour-saturation photo happens in this picture with her husband where he's also the same skin tone as her. Based off of the logic of a handful of members of this forum, he's also part black:
https://belieber.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/melissa-gorga-real-housewives-new-jersey-1.png

The logical inconsistency I find on this forum is that if someone doesn't fit the stereotype of what a particular ethnicity looks like then they are automatically cast as being mixed without any convincing implications. If you're a Spaniard and you're too dark then you're part Arab. In the case of this Italian woman, she's too dark and she's automatically black, as we can see by her phenotype that she clearly looks European -- anything short of that would be silly. These are also Italian people from Southern Italy and they look just as "mixed" as Gorga does. They might as well be placed in Morocco based off of the way they look:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vyR8N2zfzyE/TcLwlC8bMyI/AAAAAAAAAAk/231C3-kFXHQ/s1600/sicilian+side+fam.jpg
http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1020/1100/26000/artikel/769769/soriano-1338302610.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/4b/15/a1/4b15a1aa697b66725494d2e4f5300301--italian-women-lifehack.jpg

I would like to know the opinions of others about this. Is she too black to be Italian? If she is, what makes her look black; e.g. facial features, so on. If not, why was she widely accused of not being Italian ON THIS FORUM, as this refusal doesn't exist outside of this forum. To me, this woman is obviously not the norm, but Italians like her (and other European Mediterraneans) exist, and history with Arab conquests of Spain and Italy explain why that is. Instead of trying to make one's incredulity reality, people should be more aware of the exceptions like this woman as opposed to trying to erase them from existence by not acknowledging them.

[Odin]

Quadroon.

[sankeby]

Quadroon.

And what are her SSA features? And did you see the rest of her photos in the thread?

[Zroota]

If not black or mixed, then she can be an Arabid or a really prototype Assyrid.

[Xacal]

more Caucasoid than Negroid

[sankeby]

more Caucasoid than Negroid

What are her negroid features?


If not black or mixed, then she can be an Arabid or a really prototype Assyrid.

How exactly does the look of a mulatta overlap with an Arab/West Asians? What her supposed "black" features?

[Xacal]

What are her negroid features?

nose, eyes, lips and hair

[MysteriousWays]

Very, very strongly East Med. Quite atypical for someone who is of Italian descent, I must say. Can pass as Assyrian, Lebanese, Druze; likely as Palestinian too. In any case, trying to pass her off as even remotely typical for someone is of Italian ancestry is just wrong. I do not think she is quadroon.

[Black Panther]

She looks 0% Black, duh!

[sankeby]

nose, eyes, lips and hair

Her sisters have the same eyes as her:
http://allthingsrh.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Marco.jpg
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/melissa-gorga-with-sisters-lysa-simpson-and-kim-pirrella-attend-her-picture-id658356894

Likewise, her sisters have the same lip fullness as she does. Also, her Italian-American cast mate has even more fullness in her lips than Gorga does:
https://i0.wp.com/radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Teresa-giudice-prison-release-melissa-gorga-feud.jpg?resize=540%2C400&ssl=1

I also don't see anything special about the hair; Italians can have wavy and lightly curled hair, and Gorga's hair is wavy.

Finally her sisters have a similar nose to her as well...
http://allthingsrh.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Marco.jpg
And I see similarity between her nose and her mother's:
http://www.babyrazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Fullscreen-capture-5132015-104418-AM.jpg

[sankeby]

She looks 0% Black, duh!

Well back in the day she would be considered black in the U.S., as well as the rest of Italian-Americans and also liable to be lynched by the KKK because of that.

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/588a3ad817000024001d0925.jpg?ops=scalefit_720_noup scale

[Black Panther]

Well back in the day she would be considered black in the U.S., as well as the rest of Italian-Americans and also liable to be lynched by the KKK because of that.

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/588a3ad817000024001d0925.jpg?ops=scalefit_720_noup scale

That's because the KKK's members are retards.

[sankeby]

That's because the KKK's members are retards.

The lot of this forum's members are definitely made of a similar thread as them.

[Vigilance]

If not black or mixed, then she can be an Arabid or a really prototype Assyrid.

Omanis, Yemenis, Emiratis, Qataris, Saudis, if they looked like her, then there is no such thing as Arabid, Arabid must be European Caucasoid then.

Actually she looks Nordid influenced in this pic

https://belieber.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/melissa-gorga-real-housewives-new-jersey-1.png

[CrazyCatLady]

Doesn't look Italian. Negroid admixture is obvious.

She's darker than the average Turk/Iranian and even some Indians like Kashmiris; if she looks Italian it would mean Italians are darker than these groups and that is not true.

[sankeby]

Doesn't look Italian. Negroid admixture is obvious.

She's darker than the average Turk/Iranian and even some Indians like Kashmiris; if she looks Italian it would mean Italians are darker than these groups and that is not true.

For all the people saying that she looks SSA, people sure are very avoidant of actually saying what makes her look so. That skin tone is not unknown to Italians, albeit not particularly common, and I showed pictures of that in my OP. What "Negroid" features does she have in her phenotype? Everything from her skin, nose, lips, eyes, etc. are all features that her sisters, father, and mother have.

[CrazyCatLady]

For all the people saying that she looks SSA, people sure are very avoidant of actually saying what makes her look so. That skin tone is not unknown to Italians, albeit not particularly common, and I showed pictures of that in my OP. What "Negroid" features does she have in her phenotype? Everything from her skin, nose, lips, eyes, etc. are all features that her sisters, father, and mother have.

The combination of some features is what makes her look unusual. Do you doubt she can pass as Mulatta?
I doubt anyone would bat an eye if she start saying she is Black admixed.

[sankeby]

The combination of some features is what makes her look unusual. Do you doubt she can pass as Mulatta?
I doubt anyone would bat an eye if she start saying she is Black admixed.

Unusual doesn't particularly indicate that she looks SSA-influenced. She looks like the stereotypical swarthy European Med that this forum is afraid of admitting exists.

She only can "pass" --and I put this in quotes because I don't really buy into it personally though I can somewhat empathise with it-- as Mulatta with her obvious bronzer and in pre-fame photos where the colour-saturation is crappy and is taken at odd angles that makes her nose look more bulbous than what it actually is, but in those said photos she looks more North African and not SSA to me.

There are multiple pictures at the bottom of OP with almost a dozen other Italians who look as "unusual" as her. This sort of look amongst Italians obviously isn't the norm but it certainly exists, but I don't see how she looks convincingly SSA whatsoever.

[CrazyCatLady]

Unusual doesn't particularly indicate that she looks SSA-influenced. She looks like the stereotypical swarthy European Med that this forum is afraid of admitting exists.

She only can "pass" as Mulatta with her obvious bronzer and in pre-fame photos where the colour-saturation is crappy and is taken at odd angles that makes her nose look more bulbous than what it actually is, but in those said photos she looks more North African and not SSA.

Spaniards are what I call ''swarthy European Meds, not her.

http://dailypost.ng/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/asensio.jpg

https://static.foba1.com/bilder/spieler/gross/1400.jpg

[sankeby]

Spaniards are what I call ''swarthy European Meds, not her.

http://dailypost.ng/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/asensio.jpg

https://static.foba1.com/bilder/spieler/gross/1400.jpg

These are all Southern italians:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vyR8N2zfzyE/TcLwlC8bMyI/AAAAAAAAAAk/231C3-kFXHQ/s1600/sicilian+side+fam.jpg
http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1020/1100/26000/artikel/769769/soriano-1338302610.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/4b/15/a1/4b15a1aa697b66725494d2e4f5300301--italian-women-lifehack.jpg

In terms of skin colour, facial features, hair texture, and so on, they also look similar to her.

[CrazyCatLady]

These are all Southern italians:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vyR8N2zfzyE/TcLwlC8bMyI/AAAAAAAAAAk/231C3-kFXHQ/s1600/sicilian+side+fam.jpg
http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1020/1100/26000/artikel/769769/soriano-1338302610.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/4b/15/a1/4b15a1aa697b66725494d2e4f5300301--italian-women-lifehack.jpg

In terms of skin colour, facial features, hair texture, and so on, they also look similar to her.

They look less Black than her. She looks Dominican or Caribbean.

[sankeby]

They look less Black than her. She looks Dominican or Caribbean.

This is what a mixed Carribean woman looks like to you?

http://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2016023/rs_600x600-160123182226-600.TheresaMelissa-insta-012316.jpg

In this post (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233447-Classify-Melissa-Gorga-(Too-black-to-be-Italian-)&p=4920548&viewfull=1#post4920548) I outlined how this woman has no features her relatives and other Italian-American castmates do not have. None of these are features that a SSA person would have.

She looks like a pseudo-Dominican woman with the bronzer on. And I say pseudo because it's very easy to tell her skin tone is artificial in a number of pictures.

[sankeby]

BUMP. If you think she looks SSA, please post an explanation as to why. In easily-found photos it can be seen that all of her features are found in her relatives as well as other Italian-Americans.

[Sikeliot]

She looks like someone who is mixed race. The natural hair, the undertone to her skin, and her eye region all look much more typical for a mixed-race person of mixed South Euro and West African descent. She looks Cape Verdean or Dominican.

She does not look heavily Near Eastern unlike what some have said. She only could fit in Egypt or Tunisia as a mixed with African type.

[sankeby]

She looks like someone who is mixed race. The natural hair, the undertone to her skin, and her eye region all look much more typical for a mixed-race person of mixed South Euro and West African descent. She looks Cape Verdean or Dominican.

She does not look heavily Near Eastern unlike what some have said. She only could fit in Egypt or Tunisia as a mixed with African type.

Her skin tone has already been shown to be the same as her father, as well as other Italian-Americans in multiple pictures. I posted some above and the rest are in the OP.
Her hair texture isn't unknown to Italians. It's simply wavy, not curly.
Her eyes are the same as her sisters. Pictures of her with her sisters are in the OP.

Actually, I'll post pictures of each category:

1) Her skin tone compared to other Italians:
As a child with her father:
http://www.bravotv.com/sites/nbcubravotv/files/styles/blog-post--mobile/public/field_blog_image/2016/07/dish-072716-melissa-father.jpg?itok=BwtaFP3S&timestamp=1469639876

With her husband:
https://belieber.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/melissa-gorga-real-housewives-new-jersey-1.png
https://realcityhousewife.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/missy51.jpg
https://i2.wp.com/radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Melissa-and-Joe-Gorga-11.jpg?fit=1380%2C880&ssl=1

With another Italian-American:
https://www.usmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/teresa-giudice-melissa-gorga-626328b5-1dc3-4e8b-89f3-b9f70cd838ae.jpg
http://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2016023/rs_600x600-160123182226-600.TheresaMelissa-insta-012316.jpg

2) Her hair texture is merely wavy and at worst barely curly. Here is another Italian-American who was pictured above with her:
https://i.imgur.com/zfYfXSD.png
http://wetpaint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/w310_BYex69PCAAAs9Pn-1383943617.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/23svuqb.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4a/97/93/4a97938de8b1c341998e0989f31321d7--gia-giudice-teresa-giudice.jpg

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3) Her eyes are the same of that as her sisters:
http://allthingsrh.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Marco.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/33/41/8f/33418f1422aa8cbe967f414d5b93f298.jpg

The only type of Dominican she can pass as is a Spanish Dominican (when she's not wearing that terrible bronzer). Please show me any error I made in comparing her features to other Italian-Americans because nothing you or anyone else has said that makes her look "mixed" is exclusive to her and they all can be found in her relatives and other Italian-Americans.

[Odin]

And what are her SSA features?

Her nose certainly.


And did you see the rest of her photos in the thread?

She looks Puerto Rican.

[alnortedelsur]

Looks quadroon. Definitively would never pass as full ethnic Italian.

[Kriptc06]

Those are some bad shots, I don't think shes mixed.

this photo is my verdict

http://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2016023/rs_600x600-160123182226-600.TheresaMelissa-insta-012316.jpg

[Latinus]

The bald moderator from Anthroscape doesn't like it when you say she is not typical for Italy.

[JohnSmith]

Those are some bad shots, I don't think shes mixed.

Those do have to be the worse pix of her ever,, but she does look mixed. Her mom might of been with the Mail Man or something!!!

[JohnSmith]

The bald moderator from Anthroscape doesn't like it when you say she is not typical for Italy.

Well,, she isn't. No American would think she is ,,

[Kriptc06]

Those do have to be the worse pix of her ever,, but she does look mixed. Her mom might of been with the Mail Man or something!!!

lol ,its mainly cause of the nose, but look at the other pics, skin color means nothing.

[Latinus]

Well,, she isn't. No American would think she is ,,

He thinks she is, lol.

[JohnSmith]

lol ,its mainly cause of the nose, but look at the other pics, skin color means nothing.

IDK ,, it is something,,

[Sikeliot]

her baby photos she looks mixed too. the photos where she looks white are the misleading ones, she was obviously trying hard to pass.

[Latinus]

I think someone jumped the fence...

[Sikeliot]

Her son looks mixed with black ,too.

[JohnSmith]

her baby photos she looks mixed too. the photos where she looks white are the misleading ones, she was obviously trying hard to pass.

Why does she lie?? Or does she really think she is Italian??,,Maybe she is just a odd outlier! But many people think Taylor Lautner is not white and he is 100% NorthWest European despite people thinking he is Native American THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THAT.

https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/2011/09/taylor_a.jpg

[sankeby]

Her nose certainly.



She looks Puerto Rican.

Except in multiple pictures you see her nose is the same as her sisters and mother's.




her baby photos she looks mixed too. the photos where she looks white are the misleading ones, she was obviously trying hard to pass.

The photos where she 'looks white' are the ones where she's either not wearing a bronzer the photo quality is decent at best, it's at an obfuscated angle where you cannot see a full frontal view, or there's no colour saturation that leads to misleading skin tones. You purposely are picking the bad ones.

Considering thus far you've classified a fully German and Anglo-American woman as mulatto, I'm convinced you don't know what a mulatto looks like. Likewise, a number of others who just say she looks mulatta and vehemently avoid any explanation that contradicts their pre-conceived notion. Unless I see some attempt at an explanation rather than making unfounded accusations, I'm just going to take these sorts of posts as trolling and I won't address them anymore since they run from any explanation like the plague and clearly aren't being serious.
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There have still been no logical answers as to why she looks mulatta. People keep saying it's her hair, her nose, her eyes, lips, whatever, but all of these features are found in her siblings and other Italian-Americans. Not only that, people are purposefully picking old photos of her that clearly have colour-saturation that obfuscate her skin tone as well.

Let me put it this way: Post a picture of a SSA African with these features facial features. And this obviously excludes East Africans for...obvious reasons. If she has West African features then I want to see pictures of West Africans with that loose hair texture, eye shape, lip size/depth, as well nose. Just like if I were to say a dog looks like a cat, I need to point out phenotypical characteristics in a cat that the dog supposedly has.


And just to put it out there, here (https://www.shape.com/celebrities/celebrity-photos/how-celebs-get-healthy-glowing-skin-all-year-long) is a source that states her comments about using a bronzer. And lol at her "trying too hard to pass" when she uses that bronzer in a majority of her photos.

[Nosferatu_]

Not too black at all.I've seen many people like her in central Italy,even a bit darker ones but she can still be considered as tanned white,exotic white or something like that

[JohnSmith]

Not too black at all.I've seen many people like her in central Italy,even a bit darker ones but she can still be considered as tanned white,exotic white or something like that

Are you for real??:cool:

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

She just looks really dark. In some of her pictures she looks southern european

[sankeby]

She just looks really dark. In some of her pictures she looks southern european

this woman is no different than ariana grande or monica cruz. they all have dark spray tans that make them look non-european

[Sikeliot]

Let's see photos of people in Italy who look like her. The ones you posted looked heavily Middle Eastern but none looked mixed with SSA.

[JohnSmith]

this woman is no different than ariana grande or monica cruz. they all have dark spray tans that make them look non-european

Adriana Grande with no make-up is just a plain jane. However, she does not look like this lady. this lady looks black to me.


https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/50027/1000520639/original/chillin-at-home-photo-u1?w=650&q=50&fm=jpg&fit=crop&crop=faces

[GiCa]

It could be artificial tan and make up

Anyway in real life most Italian men couldn't t care less if a good looking woman is part black, or black. If they like her they would date her.

But with the fake tans and hair she looks more like Brazilian or Puerto Rican or similar places

[GiCa]

For example that s how this Italian show girl ex girlfriend of ballotelli managed to look a bit mulata. As probably she s like afro-european cultures
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/20/23/29D13C3E00000578-3132969-image-m-56_1434840253314.jpg

https://www.veb.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ficoraffaela.jpg


While here the pictures I managed to find her the more natural without tanning bed skin and iron artificial curly air
http://static.pourfemme.it/pfgossip/fotogallery/1200X0/33479/raffaella-fico-con-un-look-molto-semplice.jpg

[sankeby]

Let's see photos of people in Italy who look like her. The ones you posted looked heavily Middle Eastern but none looked mixed with SSA.

Begging the question. You made the claim that she looks SSA, therefore you should find evidence of people who are SSA who look like her. The vice versa isn't required though it's already been answered. (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233447-Classify-Melissa-Gorga-(Too-black-to-be-Italian-)&p=4921583&viewfull=1#post4921583) In that post I've highlighted those so called-SSA features you claim Gorga has in other Italians.

When will you finally stop ignoring these posts?

[Sikeliot]

Begging the question. You made the claim that she looks SSA, therefore you should find evidence of people who are SSA who look like her. The vice versa isn't required though it's already been answered. (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233447-Classify-Melissa-Gorga-(Too-black-to-be-Italian-)&p=4921583&viewfull=1#post4921583) In that post I've highlighted those so called-SSA features you claim Gorga has in other Italians.

When will you finally stop ignoring these posts?


http://image.boomsbeat.com/data/images/full/195047/139200925-jpg.jpg

[JohnSmith]

http://image.boomsbeat.com/data/images/full/195047/139200925-jpg.jpg

Wow they have lightened their skin.

[sankeby]

http://image.boomsbeat.com/data/images/full/195047/139200925-jpg.jpg

Those women are mulattoes and they clearly look more phenotypically European than they do African, so that's not helping your point out here much. It's like showing a picture of Thandie Newton and saying this is what women in Africa look like.

Again, why are you ignoring that post where I've clearly highlighted those so-called SSA features in other Italians?

[Sikeliot]

I also don't agree that Melissa Gorga even looks Italian if you remove the pseudo SSA influences.

[Sikeliot]

Those women are mulattoes and they clearly look more phenotypically European than they do African, so that's not helping your point out here much. It's like showing a picture of Thandie Newton and saying this is what women in Africa look like.

Again, why are you ignoring that post where I've clearly highlighted those so-called SSA features in other Italians?

Those other Italians could not be mistake for New World mixes like Melissa Gorga clearly look. The childhood photo with her dad, is clearly a white man with a brown child who is mixed race. How do you not see that?

[sankeby]

Those other Italians could not be mistake for New World mixes like Melissa Gorga clearly look. The childhood photo with her dad, is clearly a white man with a brown child who is mixed race. How do you not see that?

You made the claim that those are SSA features. Therefore anyone containing those features would mean that they are mixed with SSA. Likewise, these should be features that are found in SSA people. Show me some pictures of SSA with these features. You've already been presented with women who look "black" (or non-European) with a spray tan, such as the woman GiCa posted, Ariana Grande, as well as Monica Cruz. Now it's your turn.

Her eyes, nose, lips, and hair texture are found in other Italians, and all of these excluding the hair (and I'm only excluding this because I cannot find a childhood picture of her sisters) are found in her sisters and parents. You keep saying she looks mixed and list X, Y, and Z features but all of those features are found in other Italians...so you're doing nothing but spewing nonsense thus far. I made this thread out of curiosity to get more of an understanding as to why people think she looks part SSA but no one has stated anything logical, i.e. features that are not found in Italians.

[GiCa]

Those other Italians could not be mistake for New World mixes like Melissa Gorga clearly look. The childhood photo with her dad, is clearly a white man with a brown child who is mixed race. How do you not see that?

It just need some tanning bed, and iron curly creator to become slightly mulatto.

Even you and I could became like that using frequently tanning bed and managing always to try to curly the hair

[sankeby]

It just need some tanning bed, and iron curly creator to become slightly mulatto.

Even you and I could became like that using frequently tanning bed and managing always to try to curly the hair

This man also said that Lana Turner looks like a mulatta so at this point I'm seriously wondering has he ever met a black person in real life.

[Latinus]

Adriana Grande with no make-up is just a plain jane. However, she does not look like this lady. this lady looks black to me.


https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/50027/1000520639/original/chillin-at-home-photo-u1?w=650&q=50&fm=jpg&fit=crop&crop=faces

This. Ariana Grande only looks exotic with tan + makeup. Melissa Gorga looked exotic ever since she was a child.

[sankeby]

This. Ariana Grande only looks exotic with tan + makeup. Melissa Gorga looked exotic ever since she was a child.

It's one thing to say she looks exotic and another to say she looks mixed with SSA. The people who make the claim that she's part SSA and point out features such as her eyes, hair, and lips, it can easily be shown that Gorga's relatives and Italian-American castmates all have her phenotypical features.

Thus far they've done nothing but avoid showing actual evidence of SSA features she has. I'm really curious to see this evidence because I have never, ever, ever seen a SSA person with those features. The closest is a mulatta, and like it was shown above as "evidence" it's always the mulattoes who have European facial features and not SSA ones.

I'll do it for them. They claim she looks black, therefore there should be some overlap in a handful of her features with SSA women. Show me how this woman looks like the SSA below, or you can find pictures of your own if you are dissatisfied with the ones I selected:

http://www.un.org/africarenewal/sites/www.un.org.africarenewal/files/mdgs-2.jpg
http://whatsonafrica.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/SheLeadsAfrica_Founders_WOA800x650-759x500.jpg
http://www.rose66.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ar1.jpg
http://nawmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/000_PAR2004030720254.jpg
http://www.borgenmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/9715868078_2fa558e340_k.jpg
http://cdn2.stylecraze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/african-women1.jpg

[Latinus]

It's one thing to say she looks exotic and another to say she looks mixed with SSA. The people who make the claim that she's part SSA and point out features such as her eyes, hair, and lips, it can easily be shown that Gorga's relatives and Italian-American castmates all have her phenotypical features.

Thus far they've done nothing but avoid showing actual evidence of SSA features she has. I'm really curious to see this evidence because I have never, ever, ever seen a SSA person with those features. The closest is a mulatta, and like it was shown above as "evidence" it's always the mulattoes who have European facial features and not SSA ones.

She doesn't look white at all. Yep, there are a minority of swarty types in Southern Europe, but that doesn't change the fact that Melissa could easily blend in among brown people.

[GiCa]

She doesn't look white at all. Yep, there are a minority of swarty types in Southern Europe, but that doesn't change the fact that Melissa could easily blend in among brown people.

You find brown atoctonous people also in south Europe. It s not so unique at all, it can be found.

It never existed pure or whatever true white look in europe ever. Forget about it.

[sankeby]

She doesn't look white at all. Yep, there are a minority of swarty types in Southern Europe, but that doesn't change the fact that Melissa could easily blend in among brown people.

Read the post above. If she looks SSA, show me some SSA women who have any of her features. Thus far it's been noted that Gorga's hair texture, eye shape, nose, as well lips are SSA-influenced.

If I were to make a claim that Ariana Grande looked like an Indonesian I would need to show evidence of Indonesians who have a handful of her features. Likewise, if Gorga looks black or SSA, it is required that SSA women who have at least SOME of her features be shown as evidence, otherwise anyone and everyone can make silly statements about people's ancestries.

[Latinus]

Why are you posting pictures of fully black people? I never said she looked SSA. She looks mixed. If I saw her in Brazil, white wouldn't be my first guess regarding her race.

[CrazyCatLady]

She doesn't look white at all. Yep, there are a minority of swarty types in Southern Europe, but that doesn't change the fact that Melissa could easily blend in among brown people.

SSAs aren't ''Brown'', they are Black. Very bad terms. I can post a lot of Spaniards who could pass as ''Browns'' and even Indians/Pakistanis with light skin. ''White'', ''Brown'', ''Black'' are social constructs. People from West Africa are usually labeled as Blacks but you can find many other human populations who are Black skinned, the same way Europeans are labeled 'White' but many other populations around the world can have white skin and some Europeans have brown skin.

Race is a social construct.

[sankeby]

You find brown atoctonous people also in south Europe. It s not so unique at all, it can be found.

It never existed pure or whatever true white look in europe ever. Forget about it.

I definitely think this woman fits the stereotype of the "swarthy" Italians with perhaps some North African influence from the Arab conquest of Southern Italy, which is where almost all Italian immigrants to the U.S. came from. Their looks were such that Italians were considered to be blacks in the U.S., weren't allowed to own slaves, as well as were on par were targets for the KKK, a terrorist group that was made to target black slaves.


Why are you posting pictures of fully black people? I never said she looked SSA. She looks mixed. If I saw her in Brazil, white wouldn't be my first guess regarding her race.

The claim here by multiple people, including the guy you quoted with the Ariana Grande picture, is that she looks part SSA, and I assumed that's what you meant by saying she looked brown, so my apologies for that.

[Latinus]

SSAs aren't ''Brown'', they are Black. Very bad terms. I can post a lot of Spaniards who could pass as ''Browns'' and even Indians/Pakistanis with light skin. ''White'', ''Brown'', ''Black'' are social constructs. People from West Africa are usually labeled as Blacks but you can find many other human populations who are Black skinned, the same way Europeans are labeled 'White' but many other populations around the world can have white skin and some Europeans have brown skin.

Race is a social construct.

No, race is not a social construct. Society is a racial construct. When I say brown, I mean mulatto. Like I said: if I didn't her ancestry, mulatto would be my first option to her.

[Latinus]

No problem, sankeby.

[sankeby]

No, race is not a social construct. Society is a racial construct. When I say brown, I mean mulatto. Like I said: if I didn't her ancestry, mulatto would be my first option to her.

Race is based off of societal structure, and that is very variable. In the U.S., Halle Berry is black, but in Africa, she is not black. Likewise, Plessy Ferguson, a white-american who was only of 1/8 SSA ancestry is considered to be black but in Europe and pretty much anywhere else in the world he would be considered white. Likewise people from North Africa are considered to be white in the U.S., but Spaniards are classified as "racial minorities. All of this is highly variable and there is no consistency in terms of the definition of race as everyone uses it differently. Irina Shayk would be (or rather is; there was an interview where she made that comment) considered black to a fair-skinned Russian, for example but not in Africa obviously.

[CrazyCatLady]

No, race is not a social construct. Society is a racial construct. When I say brown, I mean mulatto. Like I said: if I didn't her ancestry, mulatto would be my first option to her.

You didn't refuted anything I said. There are non-Europeans much lighter than some Europeans, how White isn't social construct? Romans, f.ex., never thought about themselves as ''Whites'', White race is a modern creation, just like the Black race, Yellow race, Brown race etc.

[Latinus]

Race is based off of societal structure, and that is very variable. In the U.S., Halle Berry is black, but in Africa, she is not black. Likewise, Plessy Ferguson, a white-american who was only of 1/8 SSA ancestry is considered to be black but in Europe and pretty much anywhere else in the world he would be considered white. Likewise people from North Africa are considered to be white in the U.S., but Spaniards are classified as "racial minorities.

Because Halle Berry is very caucasian influenced. She would easily stand out among pure blacks in Africa. But calling her "black" is pretty stupid. I knw that the One Drop Rule is the reason why Halle Berry is labeled "black", but she is clearly a mulatto.

The Ferguson dude would be considered white in Europe because the One Drop Rule didn't aply there, but in the US.

[sankeby]

Because Halle Berry is very caucasian influenced. She would easily stand out among pure blacks in Africa. But calling her "black" is pretty stupid. I knw that the One Drop Rule is the reason why Halle Berry is labeled "black", but she is clearly a mulatto.

The Ferguson dude would be considered white in Europe because the One Drop Rule didn't aply there, but in the US.

That's exactly my point. Someone's race is different depending on lots of factors, and it can also be relative within one society. There's nothing consistent about it and there are very loose, virtually non-existent biological ties to race. Race is based off of society, and society is made of social constructs. Race tends to be more related to social class as opposed to biology.

[Latinus]

You didn't refuted anything I said. There are non-Europeans much lighter than some Europeans, how White isn't social construct? Romans, f.ex., never thought about themselves as ''Whites'', White race is a modern creation, just like the Black race, Yellow race, Brown race etc.

They might have lighter skin, but their facial features, skull shape, etc., are completely diferent to whites. A Pinkish dude from England is white, while a pale Japanese is Mongoloid.

White race is not a creation, but a biological reality. The concept might not have existed in the past, but it's a biological/racial reality. The same way some people in the past might have grouped Congoids with Capoids and Australoids as all being part of a "black race", but that doesn't chance the fact that they are diferent racial stocks.

[Latinus]

That's exactly my point. Someone's race is different depending on lots of factors, and it can also be relative within one society. There's nothing consistent about it and there are very loose, virtually non-existent biological ties to race. Race is based off of society, and society is made of social constructs. Race tends to be more related to social class as opposed to biology.

Do you have a picture of the Ferguson guy?

[sankeby]

They might have lighter skin, but their facial features, skull shape, etc., are completely diferent to whites. A Pinkish dude from England is white, while a pale Japanese is Mongoloid.

White race is not a creation, but a biological reality. The concept might not have existed in the past, but it's a biological/racial reality. The same way some people in the past might have grouped Congoids with Capoids and Australoids as all being part of a "black race", but that doesn't chance the fact that they are diferent racial stocks.

There is correlation with race between certain groups of people but it is almost never the causation. Like I said before, both Halle Berry and Plessy are blacks in the U.S. irrespective of what they look like. For a more modern-day example, Halsey is a black-American despite her not looking it.

And at one point Italians in the U.S. were classified as black. In today's society they are considered white. There was no biological characteristic behind either classification. Arabs, irrespective of what they look like, are also considered to be white in the U.S. despite them not being seen as such in Europe or other parts of the world. In Italy, those same Arabs, particularly Arabs from North Africa are lumped into the same "racial' category as black African immigrants form SSA.

It has very little to do with what people actually look like and mostly based off of an array of things such as nationality, socio-economic background, etc. There is nothing definitive about it and while it is very much a reality, it's not a science. Let me be more literal. All of these people are considered to be black in the U.S.:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3pXpYCcI9LI1Fvvm1xV706-RFfh40f562QtupLwiOZEVAU1ezsg
http://cuetheartist.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/cover_jbealscmykcoverthumb1.jpg
http://sohorep.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Octoroon11.png
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/5/59/Carly_Simon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141112230801

Their classification clearly has nothing to do with what they look like.

edit: Also, this is what Plessy Ferguson looks like:
http://blog.legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Homer-Plessy.jpeg

[Latinus]

There is correlation with race between certain groups of people but it is almost never the causation. Like I said before, both Halle Berry and Plessy are blacks in the U.S. irrespective of what they look like. For a more modern-day example, Halsey is a black-American despite her not looking it.

And at one point Italians in the U.S. were classified as black. In today's society they are considered white. There was no biological characteristic behind either classification. Arabs, irrespective of what they look like, are also considered to be white in the U.S. despite them not being seen as such in Europe or other parts of the world

Yep, there was no biological characteristic. But race is genetics. Italians might have been considered black in the US, but it was not a biological reality. They were never black. They were considered black. The same way I might not be considered white in the US, but my genetics/phenotype is Med/Alpine/Southern Euro.

[sankeby]

Yep, there was no biological characteristic. But race is genetics. Italians might have been considered black in the US, but it was not a biological reality. They were never black. They were considered black. The same way I might not be considered white in the US, but my genetics/phenotype is Med/Alpine/Southern Euro.

It's not merely that they were considered black, but they WERE black as a definitive reality. Just like how North Africans are whites in the U.S., but Spaniards are not. Back in the day no one had ancestry tests and even now no one cares about it. As another example, in order to be classified as a Native American in the U.S., you need to have it in your heritage (e.g. one parent was part of a particular tribe). All of these tribes exclude ancestry, and historically other races were allowed into tribes such as whites and escaped black slaves.

There is a correlation with genetics, but it is not the CAUSATION. There is a difference. And besides, the initial purpose of race was to categorise people by what they look like, so you had a German-looking person who was, say, 5% Asian, does that mean he should be classified as Asian instead because that's what his genetics say (and because he's not a "pure blood"?) You may subjectively feel that genetics is the definitive marker of race but historically and in a modern-day context that is not true at all.

This is a picture of Plessy Ferguson. His mother was a quadroon while his father was a French immigrant. His genetics shows that he is a black SSA according to your logic.
http://blog.legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Homer-Plessy.jpeg

[Latinus]

When I said "considered" it's because Italians aren't racially black whether Americans think it or not. Plessy Ferguson is not black, but mixed race. The same people that say he is black (One Drop Rule) would say he is white if they didn't know his ancestry and only looked at his phenotype.

To be honest, USA is a very stupid country regarding race and I don't really care what they think. I'm proud to be of black Iberian and black Italian ancestry, lol.

[sankeby]

When I said "considered" it's because Italians aren't racially black whether Americans think it or not. Plessy Ferguson is not black, but mixed race. The same people that say he is black (One Drop Rule) would say he is white if they didn't know his ancestry and only looked at his phenotype.

To be honest, USA is a very stupid country regarding race and I don't really care what they think. I'm proud to be of black Iberian and black Italian ancestry, lol.

That's what you believe, and it makes sense, but like I said, historically and in a modern-day context genetics actually do not matter to society at large. People don't walk around with their ancestry results known to the world at large so it will very rarely ever be known and you have to assess race based off of phenotype, which doesn't always correlate with ancestry.

In my personal opinion I think race is too subjective to classify and that it's very broad. I consider anyone black to be very dark-skinned, e.g. bantu people, tamil indians, and so on, and for further specification of what they "look" like facially I can say Indian, African/Batu/Nigerian/whatever, etc.

[greasycaveman]

They might have lighter skin, but their facial features, skull shape, etc., are completely diferent to whites. A Pinkish dude from England is white, while a pale Japanese is Mongoloid.


lmao. what does the word white have to do with being european? White, black, yellow, etc are all colors.
its funny how some europeans, who are brown, can call themselves white.
if you think about it, we arent very different compared to asians.
and we both split off, from proto caucasians, europeans and asians both went through depigmentation, but asians got different features, due to cold north asian winters.

[sankeby]

lmao. what does the word white have to do with being european? White, black, yellow, etc are all colors.
its funny how some europeans, who are brown, can call themselves white.
if you think about it, we arent very different compared to asians.
and we both split off, from proto caucasians, europeans and asians both went through depigmentation, but asians got different features, due to cold north asian winters.

In most western countries, particularly the Anglosphere, race is based off of archaic racial science made by vehemently racist people. It's not a good basis to use when classifying people considering their bias.

To me someone is black if they are dark-skinned. A tamil indian is as black to me as a bantu african because they are both dark and being the word black is nothing more than a colour term. Describing their facial features is something entirely different, but it definitely should be described by mere colours. However I don't think people in real life are as interested in hyper-classifying everyone like they are on this forum. I'm sure if a Tamil Indian or a Bantu African were to be travelling in Europe for example no one would give a fuck that they were of two different "races". They're both black as coal and that's all Europeans would see and care about when looking at the two of them.

[Sikeliot]

No, race is not a social construct. Society is a racial construct. When I say brown, I mean mulatto. Like I said: if I didn't her ancestry, mulatto would be my first option to her.

How about that Melissa Gorga says in her own book ON THE FIRST PAGE that people have thought she was black since she was a child. I agree with you, and frankly her, entirely. the only difference is she denies having black ancestry and I think she does.

From her own book:

"People used to ask me all the time if I’m half black. My mother had no idea what to do with my hair. Did she own a brush?"

[Latinus]

How about that Melissa Gorga says in her own book ON THE FIRST PAGE that people have thought she was black since she was a child. I agree with you, and frankly her, entirely. the only difference is she denies having black ancestry and I think she does.

From her own book:

"People used to ask me all the time if I’m half black. My mother had no idea what to do with my hair. Did she own a brush?"

It doesn't surprise me. She doesn't look basic white/typical Italian at all. I have mixed race family members (like cousins) and she looks way closer to them than with myself and my ancestors.

[sankeby]

How about that Melissa Gorga says in her own book ON THE FIRST PAGE that people have thought she was black since she was a child. I agree with you, and frankly her, entirely. the only difference is she denies having black ancestry and I think she does.

From her own book:

"People used to ask me all the time if I’m half black. My mother had no idea what to do with my hair. Did she own a brush?"

People also think that Lana Turner and Katarina Wiit are half black, so that says nothing at all. Irina Shayk says people often assume she's South American.

You can't be taken seriously until you show SSA people with her features, since you say she looks part West African. You change goal posts every time you're proven wrong and you use your incredulity as evidence. Not only that, you vehemently ignore people who contradict your pre-conceived notions as if they don't exist.

Until you show some pictures of SSA women with at least some of her features, since you claim she looks part West African, then your point is moot, and this is the last time that will be asked.


It doesn't surprise me. She doesn't look basic white/typical Italian at all. I have mixed race family members (like cousins) and she looks way closer to them than with myself and my ancestors.

If she looks mulatta, then the obvious next step would be to point out the West African features that she had, hence why I showed SSA women. Show me some pictures of SSA with her features. Obviously that only means some since Gorga is supposedly only "half" black.

It's dubious to make a claim that she looks half black but neglect to point out any SSA features she has (i.e. in actual SSA women). If I were to say a cat looks like a dog, I need to show evidence of how that said cat has facial characteristics of a dog, not a bird, giraffe, monkey, or any other animal. Anything short of showing similarities between a dog and a cat is dense and makes me look like a clown like all the people who claim her to be part black. You guys want to climb mountains saying she's part black but you are scared of showing what actual West African features she has.

[Sikeliot]

It doesn't surprise me. She doesn't look basic white/typical Italian at all. I have mixed race family members (like cousins) and she looks way closer to them than with myself and my ancestors.

There are a minority of dark southern Italians who look Levantine or like a more Caucasoid type of North African but you will never find anyone like Melissa Gorga. Southern Europe is overall not very exotic outside of these minority of types that exist in a few places like Sicily or Malta, where Melissa Gorga would stick out like a sore thumb and be mistaken for a North African immigrant or half Ethiopian.

This is the look I'd expect for some Sicilians but it is nothing like Gorga.

https://scontent.fnyc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15871976_1717398008574731_2572962852257461864_n.jp g?oh=e0ad8394a4687036cc319d273e7ffd74&oe=5AEE6629

[gıulıoımpa]

I just realized that half of the people in this thread would say say someone has SSA just if he/she happens to have big nose and lips, darkish skin, and curly hair.

just to bring an example because i'm curious now i 'll post two images.

this guy has dark skin(ignore the tan sign on the forehead), big nose and lips, i'm sure a lot of people would say he has SSA traces if they saw he had curly hair( he has not though)
https://ibb.co/cRV9pH

this other guy....well it's the same guy.
https://ibb.co/gW6X9H



In all honesty just supposing you had only seen the first pic and assuming the guy had curly hair and no tan sign on the forehead, how many of you would have said he had SSA traces? FYI that's me ,ha

see the difference that maximum tan, and a pic in a dark cave in my case can do? really . she may look atypical in some pictures but in others she looks Southern italian to me.

[AK-47]

Atypical even for Sicily.
She is likely misrepresenting her ancestry, or has been given bad info about it by her family.

[gıulıoımpa]

I get the vague impression that she has done something to her nose...it was not like that in her younger picture.
(and i get the impression that for some odd reason she considers being black more "socially cool(?)" than being italian , dunno.)

btw her younger pic is totally acceptable as Southern italian to me. later ones not so much.

[Wrong]

If not black or mixed, then she can be an Arabid or a really prototype Assyrid.
Could you please post some of these examples?

[JohnSmith]

Make-up can make people look like anything.

[Carlito's Way]

she doesnt look italian at all, very atypical
plus shes italian american, italian americans are not pure italians but mix to some degree either with other european ethnicities or other non-white groups like caribbean hispanic, black, jewish etc

[Latinus]

she doesnt look italian at all, very atypical
plus shes italian american, italian americans are not pure italians but mix to some degree either with other european ethnicities or other non-white groups like caribbean hispanic, black, jewish etc

There are pure Italian Americans in the US.

[zhaoyun]

She has a vague look like many mixed people. She doesn't look exactly Italian, but she can pass for a whole range of ethnicities.

[Kivan]

She doesn't look Negroid at all. Looks more like a very swarthy East-Med or something.

[Carlito's Way]

There are pure Italian Americans in the US.

very rare, most of those live in California but northeastern Italian Americans are not pure but mix with other groups

[Latinus]

very rare, most of those live in California but northeastern Italian Americans are not pure but mix with other groups

Might be not be common, but I don't think it's rare as you say. Some famous Americans of fully Italian ancestry:
*Buddy Valastro
*Ariana Grande
*Vincent Martella
*Joey Fatone

[JohnSmith]

very rare, most of those live in California but northeastern Italian Americans are not pure but mix with other groups

Nancy Pelosi.

Many Italian Americans are from Abruzzo which is pretty much central Italy in cuisine and geography many have very diverse looks.

Many Italians went to California for the Vineyards in the North but I think they were Tuscans which are North/Central Italians. I have a Tuscan Great Grandmother she married someone from Abruzzo. The one Tuscan cousin looks like a normal blond haired blue eyed American. My Abruzzo Aunt could also easily pass for typical Anglo American. They really do not look that much different.

People overestimate the differences for Italians.

[JohnSmith]

Might be not be common, but I don't think it's rare as you say. Some famous Americans of fully Italian ancestry:
*Buddy Valastro
*Ariana Grande
*Vincent Martella
*Joey Fatone

Ariana Grande does not look exotic when she wears no make-up.

http://www.ieyenews.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/ariana-grande-without-makeup-15.jpg

[MysteriousWays]

It is not "very rare," but is becoming less common all the time. But many Italian-Americans (even fully such) can pass in much of Europe too in a phenotypical sense.

[Carlito's Way]

Might be not be common, but I don't think it's rare as you say. Some famous Americans of fully Italian ancestry:
*Buddy Valastro
*Ariana Grande
*Vincent Martella
*Joey Fatone

very small list considering there are millions of them in america

[Carlito's Way]

Nancy Pelosi.

Many Italian Americans are from Abruzzo which is pretty much central Italy in cuisine and geography many have very diverse looks.

Many Italians went to California for the Vineyards in the North but I think they were Tuscans which are North/Central Italians. I have a Tuscan Great Grandmother she married someone from Abruzzo. The one Tuscan cousin looks like a normal blond haired blue eyed American. My Abruzzo Aunt could also easily pass for typical Anglo American. They really do not look that much different.

People overestimate the differences for Italians.

in northern california, i think most are northern italians

[JohnSmith]

in northern california, i think most are northern italians

Yeah, I think they are mostly Tuscan as Tuscans are the one that produce a lot of Italian wine.

[MysteriousWays]

Yeah, I think they are mostly Tuscan as Tuscans are the one that produce a lot of Italian wine.

Most are Tuscan and Emilian, I think.

[Carlito's Way]

Yeah, I think they are mostly Tuscan as Tuscans are the one that produce a lot of Italian wine.

i think those settled in central california, not in northern california

[JohnSmith]

Makeup can make people look like anything

https://www.famousbirthdays.com/faces/imperioli-michael-image.jpg

http://img.sharetv.com/shows/characters/large/the_sopranos.christopher_moltisanti.jpg

[JohnSmith]

Most are Tuscan and Emilian, I think.

Po Valley people.

[Latinus]

Ariana Grande does not look exotic when she wears no make-up.

http://www.ieyenews.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/ariana-grande-without-makeup-15.jpg

I know, lol. I'm one of those people that are aware about Ariana's origin and real phenotype.

[JohnSmith]

I know, lol. I'm one of those people that are aware about Ariana's origin and real phenotype.

She actually looks more Alpine than Mediterranean. Alpines are generally shorter than Mediterranean peoples also.

[Latinus]

She actually looks more Alpine than Mediterranean. Alpines are generally shorter than Mediterranean peoples also.

She is a mix of Gracile-Med with Alpine. Her skull shape is Med, but nose and chin looks Alpine to me.

[JohnSmith]

She is a mix of Gracile-Med with Alpine. Her skull shape is Med, but nose and chin looks Alpine to me.

Yeah something like that. That forehead looks Alpine

[kleenex]

She's a very Eastern looking Sicilian with some SSA possibly.

[Latinus]

She's a very Eastern looking Sicilian with some SSA possibly.

She doesn't have SSA.

[JohnSmith]

She doesn't have SSA.

Melissa Gorga is who he is referring too. She looks like she does.

[Latinus]

Melissa Gorga is who he is referring too. She looks like she does.

Sorry, I thought he was talking about AG.

[Teucer]

Looks uberCypriot

[kleenex]

Looks uberCypriot

Really? I wouldn't think so but I'm less versed in Cypriot phenotypes.

[Teucer]

Really? I wouldn't think so but I'm less versed in Cypriot phenotypes.

I know someone who is Cypriot that looks just like her, maybe that is my bias.

[Sikeliot]

I know someone who is Cypriot that looks just like her, maybe that is my bias.

I think she looks like a mixture of something East Med (could easily be the Sicilian ancestry she claims) and SSA.

[Hylates]

I know someone who is Cypriot that looks just like her, maybe that is my bias.

You can certainly find such Cypriot , But i don't think she represents the everyday Cypriot or South Italian .

[Rgvgjhvv]

I also don't agree that Melissa Gorga even looks Italian if you remove the pseudo SSA influences.

She looks black af

[Seth MacFarlane]

She’s not fully Italian let’s stop

[Latinus]

That bald guy from Anthroscape says she looks very Italian, but I don't see it, exotic is what she is.

[Rgvgjhvv]

She’s not fully Italian let’s stop

I came across her last night I was like on what planet is this woman fully Italian? :lol: Then I read interviews saying she's 100% and even her sisters say "I don't think we have the same father" - jokingly.

But in all seriousness, there's no way she's not mixed lol.

[Tauromachos]

Yes definetly

She doesn't look Italian

[CommonSense]

Less negroid compared to Rita Ora, but still exotic regardless.

[Mr.G]

100% Italian. Phenotypical outlier.

[Tauromachos]

Less negroid compared to Rita Ora, but still exotic regardless.

Lol Rita Ora?

Rita Ora is native Balkan(probably EV13)

Isn't she

[CommonSense]

Lol Rita Ora?

Rita Ora is native Balkan(probably EV13)

Isn't she

That's what she claims, but it's doubtful when you look at her. People in the west are suprised to know she isn't 'black' or latina:

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/rita-ora-credit-phil-poynter.jpg?w=1000

[Joso]

She actually looks more Alpine than Mediterranean. Alpines are generally shorter than Mediterranean peoples also.

Alpines are taller than gracile-meds. Ariana Grande look just gracile-med. Atlanto-meds are the meds that are taller than alpines but gracile-meds are not

[JohnSmith]

Alpines are taller than gracile-meds. Ariana Grande look just gracile-med. Atlanto-meds are the meds that are taller than alpines but gracile-meds are not

Not many gracile meds in Italy. I think both gracile meds and alpines can be very short. My grandmother was a short alpine dinaric from the mountains. I have seen many short pumpkin head alpines in the USA. Some that are barely 5 feet tall.

[Joso]

Not many gracile meds in Italy. I think both gracile meds and alpines can be very short. My grandmother was a short alpine dinaric from the mountains. I have seen many short pumpkin head alpines in the USA. Some that are barely 5 feet tall.

They are almost the same height but alpines are still a bit taller in general

[Latinus]

Not many gracile meds in Italy. I think both gracile meds and alpines can be very short. My grandmother was a short alpine dinaric from the mountains. I have seen many short pumpkin head alpines in the USA. Some that are barely 5 feet tall.

Southern Italy has many Gracile-Meds, also Sardinia.

[Rgvgjhvv]

100% Italian. Phenotypical outlier.

Hard to believe, Mr. G!

[Valedictorian]

She could pass as a light skinned sista or as a Louisiana Creole, that's for sure.


That's what she claims, but it's doubtful when you look at her. People in the west are suprised to know she isn't 'black' or latina:

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/rita-ora-credit-phil-poynter.jpg?w=1000

I thought she was Cuban, like Camila Cabello. I was quite surprised frankly when I found out she's Albanian. She has a kind of look that is widespread all over Latin America.

[Mr.G]

Hard to believe, Mr. G!

I know you have more experience than me in this case (Don't you personally know many people of S.Italian ancestry?).

I am not sure enough in my judgment to debate her ancestry strongly, but I am sticking with my statement.

I do agree she is unusual looking and looks pseudo mixed. But I believe on a Gedmatch test she would land within the expected position, in southern Italy.

[Sikeliot]

Melissa Gorga looks more Cape Verdean or Puerto Rican than she looks Italian.

[Emilio Delfin V B]

yes , a lot of caribes look like spaniards or Italians

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

Pre-surgery she looked 100% woggy terrona. (And much better).