South Slavs Native Balkan VS Slavic

[MercifulServant]

This is how I group South Slavs in terms of native balkan vs slavic genetically speaking

Croats, Bosniaks and Slovenians: More slavic then native
Serbs: Intermediate between Native Balkanites and Slavs
Macedonians, Montenegrins and Bulgarians: Mainly Native Balkan

[MercifulServant]

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[Crn Volk]

This looks correct

[Dick]

This is how I group South Slavs in terms of native balkan vs slavic genetically speaking

Croats, Bosniaks and Slovenians: More slavic then native
Serbs: Intermediate between Native Balkanites and Slavs
Macedonians, Montenegrins and Bulgarians: Mainly Native Balkan

Montenegrins not really so native balkan

https://image.ibb.co/dpXw5F/ANEK7_Euro_PCA.jpg

[MercifulServant]

Montenegrins not really so native balkan

They are more balkan then other Serbs

[Dick]

They are more balkan then other Serbs

yes but not really similar as bulgarians and macedonians on the pca. I assume you're going by their looks.

[MercifulServant]

yes but not really similar as bulgarians and macedonians on the pca. I assume you're going by their looks.

We're are they on the K15 PCA?

[Dick]

We're are they on the K15 PCA?

there is no montenegrin sample. the pca i posted is the ANE k7 made by a member here.

[MercifulServant]

there is no montenegrin sample. the pca i posted is the ANE k7 made by a member here.

What do Montenegrins score on K15 though do you have any Montenegrin kit numbers? I imagine they are pretty south of us

[Dick]

What do Montenegrins score on K15 though do you have any Montenegrin kit numbers? I imagine they are pretty south of us

This person may be fully Montenegrin but I'm just going by her surname which can mean nothing since a lot of Serbs have Montenegrin sounding surnames as well.

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 20.2
2 Baltic 19.02
3 West_Med 16.48
4 East_Med 13.61
5 Eastern_Euro 11.32
6 Atlantic 10.54
7 West_Asian 6.03
8 Red_Sea 2.14
9 Siberian 0.66

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 8.49
2 Romanian 8.83
3 Moldavian 9.07
4 Bulgarian 10.22
5 Hungarian 10.9

[MercifulServant]

This person may be fully Montenegrin but I'm just going by her surname which can mean nothing since a lot of Serbs have Montenegrin sounding surnames as well.

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 20.2
2 Baltic 19.02
3 West_Med 16.48
4 East_Med 13.61
5 Eastern_Euro 11.32
6 Atlantic 10.54
7 West_Asian 6.03
8 Red_Sea 2.14
9 Siberian 0.66

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 8.49
2 Romanian 8.83
3 Moldavian 9.07
4 Bulgarian 10.22
5 Hungarian 10.9

That's a high North Sea level

[Dick]

That's a high North Sea level

it's average, baltic should be a bit higher imo thats all or maybe she is not fully Montenegrin

[MercifulServant]

it's average, baltic should be a bit higher imo thats all

I'm more south then that for sure


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 18.35
2 Baltic 17.13
3 Eastern_Euro 15.82
4 West_Med 14.34
5 North_Sea 12.62
6 West_Asian 11.45
7 East_Med 6.92
8 Red_Sea 3.34
9 Oceanian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 8.43
2 Moldavian 8.8
3 Romanian 8.8
4 Croatian 9.22
5 Bulgarian 9.96
6 Austrian 10.87
7 Hungarian 12.51
8 East_German 14.66
9 South_Polish 15.42
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.68
11 Ukrainian 16.26
12 Greek 17.3
13 Russian_Smolensk 17.41
14 Polish 17.55
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.56
16 Greek_Thessaly 17.83
17 North_Italian 18.21
18 Southwest_Russian 18.34
19 Tuscan 19.39

[Dick]

I'm more south then that for sure


maybe she's not fully Montenegrin but her surname is 100% especially the way the word for 'white' is spelled in the surname.

[MercifulServant]

maybe she's not fully Montenegrin but her surname is 100% especially the way the word for 'white' is spelled in the surname.

Why are my results so wierd for k15 the hell im like 18 Atlantic and low baltic and North Sea

[Dick]

Why are my results so wierd for k15 the hell im like 18 Atlantic and low baltic and North Sea

not everyone will be the same. your parents would have different results from you. changes from generation but should be be in the similar vicinity on a pca.

[MercifulServant]

not everyone will be the same. your parents would have different results from you. changes from generation but should be be in the similar vicinity on a pca.

I guess I have high eastern euro but my North Sea is really low

[Vid Flumina]

This person may be fully Montenegrin but I'm just going by her surname which can mean nothing since a lot of Serbs have Montenegrin sounding surnames as well.

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 20.2
2 Baltic 19.02
3 West_Med 16.48
4 East_Med 13.61
5 Eastern_Euro 11.32
6 Atlantic 10.54
7 West_Asian 6.03
8 Red_Sea 2.14
9 Siberian 0.66


Plots right with other Serbs (look for "CGR?"):

https://s9.postimg.org/6vruab87z/cgrpca.png

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Looks correct, just Bulgarians also intermediate between Slavs and Native Balkans.

[Vid Flumina]

What kind of tools you use to plot coordinates on this PCA map?
By the way, mine results, if you can plot me please:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.58
2 North_Sea 16.02
3 West_Med 14.96
4 Atlantic 12.5
5 Baltic 11.54
6 Eastern_Euro 10.23
7 West_Asian 9.48
8 Red_Sea 4.33
9 Amerindian 0.37

Here you are:

https://s9.postimg.org/pykeolnof/*****pca.png

For the scatterplot I'm using PAST >> https://folk.uio.no/ohammer/past/

[Leto]

Since when are Montenegrins a distinct genetic group? I don't recognize them as such, to me they are Serbs.

[Leto]

This is how I group South Slavs in terms of native balkan vs slavic genetically speaking

Croats, Bosniaks and Slovenians: More slavic then native
Serbs: Intermediate between Native Balkanites and Slavs
Macedonians, Montenegrins and Bulgarians: Mainly Native Balkan
Slovenes must be closer to Slovaks genetically than to Serbs.

[Dick]

Plots right with other Serbs (look for "CGR?"):

https://s9.postimg.org/6vruab87z/cgrpca.png
What about me

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.83
2 North_Sea 19.43
3 Atlantic 16.39
4 East_Med 15.52
5 Eastern_Euro 10.49
6 West_Med 7.52
7 West_Asian 4.88
8 Red_Sea 2.96

[MercifulServant]

Looks correct, just Bulgarians also intermediate between Slavs and Native Balkans.

False, they are more balkan genetically

[MercifulServant]

Since when are Montenegrins a distinct genetic group? I don't recognize them as such, to me they are Serbs.

They are but they plot south of other serbs

[Leto]

They are but they plot south of other serbs
Makes sense given the geographic location
http://www.geographicguide.net/europe/maps-europe/maps/serbia-montenegro.gif

[Vid Flumina]

What about me

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.83
2 North_Sea 19.43
3 Atlantic 16.39
4 East_Med 15.52
5 Eastern_Euro 10.49
6 West_Med 7.52
7 West_Asian 4.88
8 Red_Sea 2.96


With other Serbs (Europa Nazione, Minecrafter11) and that one Serb/Montenegrin:

https://s9.postimg.org/5kxv6nocv/dickpca.png

[LoLeL]

Non-R1* Slavs = Slavicized natives

[MercifulServant]

Non-R1* Slavs = Slavicized natives

I disagree, Haplogroup is less then 0.01% of your genome

[Bosniensis]

Same goes with womans...

Bosniak woman dislike me... they sense that I am different... but when I go more east or south, when I encounter Serbian girls they love me, Montenegrin love me but again Croatian girls hate me.... :noidea:

This must be because Slavic girls have Slavic kind of Love/preference which is incompatible (Now imagine putting N64 cartridge into SNES console... you can't put it)..

That's why OP is right!

Serbian girls love me cause they SENSE that we are compatible.

I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH MACEDONIAN OR BULGARIAN ONES PHEW!