Central Asian Genetic Contribution to the Turks

[Hudayar]

Hi. I tried to calculate the "Central Asian heritage" by using Afghan Turkmens on Eurogenes k13 spreadsheet and comparing them to Turkish Eurogenes K13 results. If anyone's wondering here Afghan Turkmen results on Eurogenes K13

Afghan Turkmen on Eurogenes K13 spreadsheet:
North Atlantic: 7.16
Baltic: 12.65
West_Med: 3.08
West_Asian: 22.29
East_Med: 7.92
Red_Sea: 0.41
South_Asian: 8.31
East_Asian: 10.56
Siberian: 24.77
Amerindian: 1.32

If you're wondering, a Central Anatolian Turk
North_Atlantic 6.98
Baltic: 7.15
West_Med: 11.52
West_Asian: 27.26
East_Med: 25.23
Red_Sea: 5.11
South_Asian: 2.80
East_Asian 5.52
Siberian: 7.36
Amerindian 1.08


Average mongoloid dna seems to be around 36.65%. If Seljuk Turkmens were similar to Afghan Turkmens, then the average Turks are around 30-35% Seljuk. I got the Turkish results from this page https://turkishdna.blogspot.com.tr/2018/01/turkiye-otozomal-il-ortalamalar.html


My method: Just compared Afghan Turkmen mongoloid dna to Turkish mongoloid dna and calculated what percent of Turkish mongoloid dna is Afghan Turkmen mongoloid dna.


Results:

South Turkey

Adana: %33.39
Hatay: %24.52
Mersin: %35.06
Antalya: %35.03
Gaziantep: %19.20
Kilis: %12.55

Aegean and Southwestern Turkey

Afyon: %33.64
Afyon-Emirdağ: %31.51
Denizli: %31.29
Antalya: %35.30
Kütahya: %30.28
Muğla: %47.85
Manisa: %33.31
İzmir: %37.35
Uşak: %22.45
Isparta: %22.07

Thrace and Northwest Turkey

Eskişehir: %33.80
Sakarya: %45.53
Balıkesir: %40.35
Çanakkale: %45.18
Bolu: %30.85
Karabük: %31.73
İstanbul-1: %19.72
İstanbul-2: %16.69
Edirne: %20.57

Central-West Turkey

Konya: %22.67
Ankara: %26.38
Karaman: %26.11
Çankırı: %25.15
Aksaray: %27.20

Central-East Turkey

Niğde: %27.80
Kayseri: %25.59
Kırşehir: %32.16
Tokat: %25.83
Yozgat: %23.02
Nevşehir: %21.11
Sivas: %16.18

Eastern Turkey

Batman: %12.27
Malatya: %16.38
Elazığ: %9.95
Erzincan: %13.34
Erzurum-İspir: %3.54

Eastern Black Sea

Trabzon Outlier: %12.82
Trabzon: %1.71
Ordu: %35.77
Gümüşhane-Kürtün: %46.22
Giresun: %33.26
Rize: %0.16
Bayburt: %0.30

Central Black Sea

Samsun: %24.82

[Leto]

I think a mix of Turkmens and Anatolian Greeks or Armenians would have less NE European than many Western Turks do, so I suspect the Oghuz were more like Nogais than Turkmens. However, I'm not sure if Byzantines had any NE blood, perhaps they did.

[Hudayar]

Turks score less Baltic than Turkmens. It's highly likely that Byzantine Anatolians had less NE European than Turkmens.


I think a mix of Turkmens and Anatolian Greeks or Armenians would have less NE European than many Western Turks do, so I suspect the Oghuz were more like Nogais than Turkmens

This is actually more complex than it looks. Different Turkmen tribes migrated from different places. There are even Turkmen tribes from Azerbaijan that migrated to Central Anatolia (Karamanid dynasty is one of them). On the other hand some Turkmens migrated from Kazakhstan, some from Turkmenistan some from Afghanistan and some from Iran. So Turkmens were probably very diverse and this also correlates with unstable mongoloid component in Turks.

[Leto]

This is what a pure Oğuz Türk looks like :cool:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 25.03
2 East_Med 23.03
3 West_Med 14.12
4 Baltic 10.97
5 Siberian 8.93
6 North_Atlantic 6.01
7 East_Asian 5.86
8 Red_Sea 2.46
9 South_Asian 2.16
10 Northeast_African 0.79
11 Oceanian 0.48
12 Sub-Saharan 0.16

1 50% Cyprian +50% Nogay @ 5.133964

1 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Kazakh @ 3.857254

[Hudayar]

This is what a pure Oğuz Türk looks like :cool:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 25.03
2 East_Med 23.03
3 West_Med 14.12
4 Baltic 10.97
5 Siberian 8.93
6 North_Atlantic 6.01
7 East_Asian 5.86
8 Red_Sea 2.46
9 South_Asian 2.16
10 Northeast_African 0.79
11 Oceanian 0.48
12 Sub-Saharan 0.16

1 50% Cyprian +50% Nogay @ 5.133964

1 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Kazakh @ 3.857254

Looks like a western Turkish result.

[Pahli]

I think you need to specify this down to Turkmen genetic contribution to the Turks, as Central Asians themselves are quite diverse.

[Leto]

Did the Mongols leave any genetic impact in Turkey?

[Gangrel]

> Tfw you will never see Kahramanmaras results

https://i.imgur.com/lXSWGjR.png

[Hudayar]

I think you need to specify this down to Turkmen genetic contribution to the Turks, as Central Asians themselves are quite diverse.

Actually that's irrelevant. Central Asian is more general and attracts more attention. There was a study about Turks in 2012 scientist used Kyrgyz samples and called them "Central Asian". Also i'm thinking of calculating Central Asian heritage using other Central Asians too. I might do that someday.

[Hudayar]

Did the Mongols leave any genetic impact in Turkey?

No. Mongols themselves didn't have a genetic impact but they shaped the genetic make up of Turkey by forcing a large part of remaining Turkmen tribes in Central Asia to move to Anatolia.

[Hudayar]

By the way i'd appreciate if someone made a map of C. Asian contribution in Turkey using my numbers above, it'd make everything easier to understand.

[Marmara]

Do you have any Yoruk sample? Compare it with Afghan Turkmens.

[Hudayar]

Do you have any Yoruk sample? Compare it with Afghan Turkmens.

Yörüks are similar to Kürtün, Sakarya and Muğla results.

[Böri]

I think a mix of Turkmens and Anatolian Greeks or Armenians would have less NE European than many Western Turks do, so I suspect the Oghuz were more like Nogais than Turkmens. However, I'm not sure if Byzantines had any NE blood, perhaps they did.

Turkmen means Oghuz too in a historical sense, but I guess by Turkmen you mean current people from Turkmenistan.

Kind of true. They were geographically to the north of what's today Turkmenistan.
In the western part of what's today Kazakhstan. Between Caspian and Aral.

Clearly in the steppe, not in the transitional (Khorasan-Khwarizm) desert region.

Oghuz had of course more interactions with Khazar kin than with any Iranic people.

https://i.hizliresim.com/JQ4yj5.jpg

And ofc there were times when Oghuz were also part of the Khaganate.
Oğuz had yabgu (leader of the tribes union / title equivalent of viceroy) which recognized authority of the Khazar khagan (Turkic title equivalent to Emperor) of Atil/Sarkil.

https://i.hizliresim.com/qGlZ7B.jpg

It's with the Muslim effect that Turks start to move south toward Iran.
In before, Turks would never think set foot in that semi-desert area (Khwarizm etc).

[Proto-Shaman]

I can confirm this. Gümüşhane and Sakarya are by far most Central Asian. I knew 2 girls from these areas and both of them looked very Central Asian.

[Böri]

I can confirm this. Gümüşhane and Sakarya are by far most Central Asian. I knew 2 girls from these areas and both of them looked very Central Asian.

Kürtün sample represents coastal region (coastal Giresun).
South Gümüşhane not like Kürtün or Muğla but more like Erzincan or so İ think.

[meisje]

Turkmens score East-Eurasian btw. 10-30% in Calculators, Why did you bring a Turkmen Guy who scores 36% East-Eurasian

which is even high for Turkmens, What is your Agenda

[Hudayar]

Turkmens score East-Eurasian btw. 10-30% in Calculators, Why did you bring a Turkmen Guy who scores 36% East-Eurasian

which is even high for Turkmens, What is your Agenda

It's not one person it's Afghan Turkmen average.

[Böri]

It's not one person it's Afghan Turkmen average.

Afghan Turkmens aren't representative of what Seljuks were a thousand years ago.
Turkmens from Uzbekistan would be more representative.

[Hudayar]

Afghan Turkmens aren't representative of what Seljuks were a thousand years ago.
Turkmens from Uzbekistan would be more representative.

Well i just took the most mongoloid Turkmen group and compared them to Turks just to be sure. And the contribution is still relatively high.

[Böri]

Well i just took the most mongoloid Turkmen group and compared them to Turks just to be sure. And the contribution is still relatively high.

Afghan Turkmens live in mixed region where there are Kazakhs, Hazara etc. On maternal side they are mixed with them, beside also Pashtuns.
Turkmen_Uzbekistan are best representative imo.

[Leto]

Afghan Turkmens live in mixed region where there are Kazakhs, Hazara etc. On maternal side they are mixed with them, beside also Pashtuns.
Turkmen_Uzbekistan are best representative imo.
There are Oghuz-speaking Uzbeks in the Khorezm region. Are they pure enough?

[Pennywise]

There are Oghuz-speaking Uzbeks in the Khorezm region. Are they pure enough?

Turkmens in Uzbekistan would be a better proxy for mediveal Oghuz Turks however Oghuz were most likely carrying more North European admix.

[Mingle]

Afghan Turkmens live in mixed region where there are Kazakhs, Hazara etc. On maternal side they are mixed with them, beside also Pashtuns.
Turkmen_Uzbekistan are best representative imo.

They could be mixed with Uzbeks or even Tajiks (Khorazm and Bukhara are said to be mostly Tajik).

What about Turkmens from Northern Turkmenistan? Wouldn't they be the best representatives?

[Mingle]

It's with the Muslim effect that Turks start to move south toward Iran.
In before, Turks would never think set foot in that semi-desert area (Khwarizm etc).

A lot of Turko-Mongols entered Southern Central Asia with the Mongol Empire's conquests. I think Turkmenistan became Turkic majority after Genghis Khan committed genocide on the Khwarezmians.

[jamakzai12]

True afghan Turkmen tend to have less mongoloid influence because they mixed wit his Pashtuns

[Mingle]

True afghan Turkmen tend to have less mongoloid influence because they mixed wit his Pashtuns

The ones in GEDmatch are significantly more Mongoloid than the ones from Turkmenistan. I'm guessing it's because the Turkmenistanis are from Ashgabat which is from the south-central part of the country right next to the Iranian border. Turkmens from other parts of Turkmenistan would be more Mongoloid since they are most likely part of a genetic cline with Uzbeks.

[Hadouken]

afghan turkmen have more mongoloid not less