View Full Version : Iraqi GEDmatch samples
Both Arabs and Kurds. Try them with any calculator you want.
T490689 Jasim Tiba (IQ-BGD)
T787355 Yousef Aqiqi (IQ)
T476435 Al Habbar (IQ-Mosul)
T416794 Kameel Alkahachi (IQ-BGD)
T008236 Dean Alawadi (IQ)
T825759 H Lapcha (IQ)
T739572 Shahad Alimara (IQ)
T644104 Mustafa Alsa3idi (IQ-Maysan)
T859459 U2e1 R-L1069 Khalid Ali Alasfour
T537005 Ali Zaki Alajwad (IQ)
T446850 Nasser Rai El Balha (IQ)
A565565 Suz Alshabandar (IQ)
T226126 Saleh Ali Alshahbandar
T653452 Ahmad Nima Alhasnawi (IQ-Maysan)
T762886 J-Z1842 Z. Shabana (IQ-Diwaniya)
T434755 Abd Almryan (IQ-DQ)
T600896 Jack Bahjat Bamirni (IQ-Duhok)
T079968 Mohamed Al Asadi (IQ-CH)
T843340 Marah AlTemimi (IQ-Diyala)
Z592676 Al Zubaidi AlKut (IQ)
T092151 Haidar Karam Aldulaimi (IQ-Kut
T984748 M Alkhazraji (IQ)
T160231 Mohamed Aljorani (IQ)
T573279 Shereen Munthir Alabbasi (IQ-D
A256904 Hamad Alrashed
A728668 Layla
T168588 Omar Yousif
M964131 Saud Alzaid
T428731 Khaled Almubailesh
T882148 Nawaf Aldakhil
T638658 Abdel Azeez Zuman Riyadh
T644104 Mustafa Alsa3idi (IQ-Maysan)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.03
2 West_Asian 23.07
3 Red_Sea 19.73
4 South_Asian 8.08
5 West_Med 4.43
6 Northeast_African 3.05
7 Sub-Saharan 2.76
8 Baltic 1.94
9 Oceanian 0.8
10 Siberian 0.1
51.2% Iranian + 48.8% Saudi @ 3.6
Ahmad Nima Alhasnawi (IQ-Maysan)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.35
2 West_Asian 24.44
3 Red_Sea 17.39
4 South_Asian 7.56
5 West_Med 6.2
6 Northeast_African 4.48
7 North_Atlantic 2.89
8 Sub-Saharan 0.58
9 East_Asian 0.11
55.5% Iranian + 44.5% Saudi @ 4.7
Maysan governorate
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Maysan_in_Iraq.svg/471px-Maysan_in_Iraq.svg.png
They are most likely Shia Arabs.
Mingle
01-27-2018, 03:18 PM
T644104 Mustafa Alsa3idi (IQ-Maysan)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.03
2 West_Asian 23.07
3 Red_Sea 19.73
4 South_Asian 8.08
5 West_Med 4.43
6 Northeast_African 3.05
7 Sub-Saharan 2.76
8 Baltic 1.94
9 Oceanian 0.8
10 Siberian 0.1
51.2% Iranian + 48.8% Saudi @ 3.6
Ahmad Nima Alhasnawi (IQ-Maysan)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.35
2 West_Asian 24.44
3 Red_Sea 17.39
4 South_Asian 7.56
5 West_Med 6.2
6 Northeast_African 4.48
7 North_Atlantic 2.89
8 Sub-Saharan 0.58
9 East_Asian 0.11
55.5% Iranian + 44.5% Saudi @ 4.7
Maysan governorate
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Maysan_in_Iraq.svg/471px-Maysan_in_Iraq.svg.png
They are most likely Shia Arabs.
Interesting, closer to Iranians than Saudis. I've geard some people here say that North Iraqis are Arabized natives whereas South Iraqis are descended from Arabian migrants. It seems like both of them are Arabized natives.
Interesting, closer to Iranians than Saudis. I've geard some people here say that North Iraqis are Arabized natives whereas South Iraqis are descended from Arabian migrants. It seems like both of them are Arabized natives.
Not really, you see these two samples are basically 50/50 - Iranian + Saudi. They seem to be a thorough mix of an Iranian-like population and Arabians. Notice that both South Asian and African admixture are present. No suprise Iraqis are darker than Levantine peoples.
T843340 Marah AlTemimi (IQ-Diyala)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.95
2 West_Asian 27.93
3 Red_Sea 10.62
4 South_Asian 7.46
5 North_Atlantic 6.13
6 West_Med 5.87
7 Northeast_African 2.95
8 Siberian 1.4
9 Baltic 0.8
10 East_Asian 0.74
11 Amerindian 0.66
12 Sub-Saharan 0.49
56.1% Iranian + 43.9% Palestinian @ 3.99
Diyala governorate
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Diyala_in_Iraq.svg/471px-Diyala_in_Iraq.svg.png
Mingle
01-27-2018, 03:28 PM
Not really, you see these two samples are basically 50/50 - Iranian + Saudi. They seem to be a thorough mix of an Iranian-like population and Arabians. Notice that both South Asian and African admixture are present. No suprise Iraqis are darker than Levantine peoples.So then I guess it's a similar case to Turks in Turkey who are half Turkmen and half Anatolian. Do you know what two populations Assyrians are modeled as or how close Assyrians are to them on GEDmatch oracle?
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Marmara
01-27-2018, 03:33 PM
Sunni İraqis like Saddam might score closer to Levantines.
So then I guess it's a similar case to Turks in Turkey who are half Turkmen and half Anatolian. Do you know what two populations Assyrians are modeled as or how close Assyrians are to them on GEDmatch oracle?
Assyrians are very close to Armenians, almost the same.
Sunni İraqis like Saddam might score closer to Levantines.
This one is closer
T092151 Haidar Karam Aldulaimi (IQ-Kut
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.81
2 West_Asian 22.72
3 Red_Sea 13.92
4 West_Med 8.95
5 South_Asian 5.51
6 North_Atlantic 3.39
7 Sub-Saharan 2.35
8 Baltic 1.85
9 Siberian 1.68
10 Northeast_African 1.41
11 East_Asian 1.19
12 Oceanian 0.13
13 Amerindian 0.1
Syrian 5.29
64.4% Palestinian + 35.6% Iranian @ 3.58
Marmara
01-27-2018, 03:41 PM
This one is closer
T092151 Haidar Karam Aldulaimi (IQ-Kut
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.81
2 West_Asian 22.72
3 Red_Sea 13.92
4 West_Med 8.95
5 South_Asian 5.51
6 North_Atlantic 3.39
7 Sub-Saharan 2.35
8 Baltic 1.85
9 Siberian 1.68
10 Northeast_African 1.41
11 East_Asian 1.19
12 Oceanian 0.13
13 Amerindian 0.1
Syrian 5.29
64.4% Palestinian + 35.6% Iranian @ 3.58
Just as i guessed, Sunni Iraqis also occupy west of İraq and it was historically part of Levant.
T762886 J-Z1842 Z. Shabana (IQ-Diwaniya)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.44
2 West_Asian 21.84
3 Red_Sea 17.18
4 West_Med 7.13
5 South_Asian 6.86
6 Northeast_African 4.9
7 Baltic 3.73
8 Sub-Saharan 1.65
9 Oceanian 0.27
66.4% Bedouin + 33.6% Iranian @ 3.58
Al-Qadisiyah governorate
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Al-Qadisiyyah_in_Iraq.svg/471px-Al-Qadisiyyah_in_Iraq.svg.png
Just as i guessed, Sunni Iraqis also occupy west of İraq and it was historically part of Levant.
I don't know whether he is Sunni though. Kut is mostly Shia, Wikipedia says. But genetically he is closer to Syria, as we can see.
StonyArabia
01-27-2018, 03:52 PM
Sunni Iraqis are closer to Levantines genetically. Shia Arabs are more Arabian + Iranian. Iraqi Bedouins in both North and South are distinct from both and don't show any Iranian influence. The non-tribal areas especially like Karbala and Najaf would have more Arabian and Iranian like influence. Well areas like Mosul, the Iraqi Arabs there are more similar to Assyrians and Levantines. Well isolated groups especially in the interior desert areas near Saudi and Syria it's more Arabian like.
Some of these sample surnames indicate Persian origin especially Shahbandar, Alkahachi, Lapcha,Shabana, well others like Ajorani means The Georgian
This is a super African individual
Kit T859459
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.38
2 Red_Sea 19.19
3 West_Asian 17.56
4 Sub-Saharan 13.39
5 South_Asian 9.68
6 Northeast_African 7.36
7 North_Atlantic 2.51
8 Baltic 1.34
9 East_Asian 1.28
10 West_Med 1.25
11 Siberian 0.51
12 Amerindian 0.32
13 Oceanian 0.23
The South Asian is pretty prominent as well.
Hudayar
01-27-2018, 04:16 PM
I don't know anything about history of Iraqi population. But as far as i know Iraq was the heartland of Persia for many centuries. Maybe people in that place were a mix of Sassanid/Parthian Persians and Mesopotamians who were Arab like. We need ancient Mesopotamian samples and pre-Arab Iraq samples.
Mingle
01-27-2018, 04:20 PM
I don't know anything about history of Iraqi population. But as far as i know Iraq was the heartland of Persia for many centuries. Maybe people in that place were a mix of Sassanid/Parthian Persians and Mesopotamians who were Arab like. We need ancient Mesopotamian samples and pre-Arab Iraq samples.
Assyrians are the pre-Arab people of North Iraq. Pre-Arab South Iraqis would have just been a bit south of them. Maybe pre-Arab South Iraqis could be modeled as "80% Assyrian + 20% Saudi".
Hudayar
01-27-2018, 04:44 PM
By the way Leto could you find Turkmen kitnumbers on Gedmatch (not talking about averages)? I have seen 9 Turkmens' results on a website before and one Turkmen's result in the theapricity archive.
Hudayar
01-27-2018, 04:51 PM
By the way Leto could you find Turkmen kitnumbers on Gedmatch (not talking about averages)? I have seen 9 Turkmens' results on a website before and one Turkmen's result in the theapricity archive.
This is a "Turkmen" according to the archive
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 25.62
2 South_Central_Asian 19.31
3 Tungus-Altaic 9.65
4 Near_East 9.12
5 South_Indian 7.64
6 Ancestral_Altaic 6.72
7 East_Siberian 5.74
8 European_Early_Farmers 4.47
9 South_East_Asian 3.91
10 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.41
11 Arctic 2.17
Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 9.309083
2 Tajik_Afghan @ 13.836973
3 Uzbek_Afghan @ 16.631779
4 Uzbek @ 16.772005
5 Iranian @ 17.209370
6 Turkmen_Afghan @ 18.087290
7 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 18.362093
8 Kurd_South @ 18.924225
9 Nogai @ 19.067289
10 Azeri @ 19.145065
11 Kurd_East @ 19.668024
12 Iraki @ 19.895912
13 Turk_Adana @ 20.330544
14 Kurd_North @ 20.563038
15 Ain_Touta_WGA @ 20.749702
16 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 20.769083
17 Uygur-Han @ 20.772669
18 Parsi @ 21.243067
19 Turk_Aydin @ 21.421244
20 Kurd @ 21.654858
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian +50% Uzbek @ 5.913108
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian_Iraqi +25% Burusho +25% Hakas @ 3.970809
StonyArabia
01-27-2018, 04:52 PM
This is a super African individual
Kit T859459
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.38
2 Red_Sea 19.19
3 West_Asian 17.56
4 Sub-Saharan 13.39
5 South_Asian 9.68
6 Northeast_African 7.36
7 North_Atlantic 2.51
8 Baltic 1.34
9 East_Asian 1.28
10 West_Med 1.25
11 Siberian 0.51
12 Amerindian 0.32
13 Oceanian 0.23
The South Asian is pretty prominent as well.
There is more African admixture in areas in the far deep south of Iraq, especially Basra region. He seems quite atypical but there is still African community to this day. The more North the less the African admixture becomes. The same is true of the Western regions.
I don't know anything about history of Iraqi population. But as far as i know Iraq was the heartland of Persia for many centuries. Maybe people in that place were a mix of Sassanid/Parthian Persians and Mesopotamians who were Arab like. We need ancient Mesopotamian samples and pre-Arab Iraq samples.
Yes, but the Mongol invasion depopulated the region. So most of the Arabian and Iranian like admixture is post-Mongol. The Iranian like admixture was brought by Persian immigrants especially to Shia holy cities of Karbala and Najaf, and plus the long rule by Safavid, Afsharids which are bitterly remembered. Most chronicles show that the repopulating Iraq occurred from the Arabian peninsula and later Iran. Also the Turkoman dynasties were mostly Iranian like such as the White sheep and Black sheep Turkomans who ruled Iraq. Most of the Iranian influence is very recent and not ancient. Iraq was only the heart of the Sassanid empire since they built their capital there, but it was more Semitic than Iranian. Iranians came as conquerors and immigrants. Not to mention that Iraq had always had Arabian presence, but this would be stronger due to post-Mongol invasion. The Safavids wanted to have strong grip on Iraq, but the raids of the Arabian Bedouin tribes was to much for them. There has been several movements to the region of Iraq. Also many Sunni Persians migrated to Iraq, due to barbaric prosecution of the Safavids, and have assimilated into Iraqi society. We only have the Assyrians to show how ancient Mesopotamian genetics were, especially Sunni Arabs are closer to them, well Shia Arabs are more like Arabs and Iranians, and also many Shia Arabs trace their origins to various Bedouin tribes that eventually settled, and intermingled with the larger society. Iranian migration also never ceased to Iraq, and even continues to this day.
Mingle
01-27-2018, 04:57 PM
This is a "Turkmen" according to the archive
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 25.62
2 South_Central_Asian 19.31
3 Tungus-Altaic 9.65
4 Near_East 9.12
5 South_Indian 7.64
6 Ancestral_Altaic 6.72
7 East_Siberian 5.74
8 European_Early_Farmers 4.47
9 South_East_Asian 3.91
10 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.41
11 Arctic 2.17
Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 9.309083
2 Tajik_Afghan @ 13.836973
3 Uzbek_Afghan @ 16.631779
4 Uzbek @ 16.772005
5 Iranian @ 17.209370
6 Turkmen_Afghan @ 18.087290
7 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 18.362093
8 Kurd_South @ 18.924225
9 Nogai @ 19.067289
10 Azeri @ 19.145065
11 Kurd_East @ 19.668024
12 Iraki @ 19.895912
13 Turk_Adana @ 20.330544
14 Kurd_North @ 20.563038
15 Ain_Touta_WGA @ 20.749702
16 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 20.769083
17 Uygur-Han @ 20.772669
18 Parsi @ 21.243067
19 Turk_Aydin @ 21.421244
20 Kurd @ 21.654858
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian +50% Uzbek @ 5.913108
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian_Iraqi +25% Burusho +25% Hakas @ 3.970809Which calc is this?
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Hudayar
01-27-2018, 05:00 PM
Which calc is this?
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MDLP k23b
By the way Leto could you find Turkmen kitnumbers on Gedmatch (not talking about averages)? I have seen 9 Turkmens' results on a website before and one Turkmen's result in the theapricity archive.
I have these. If I remember correctly, it was Hadouken who shared them with me, but obviously he copied them from someone else. Doesn't matter anyway.
F910000
F910001
F910002
F910003
F910004
F910005
F910006
F910007
M726207
M155977
M770612
M777850
M361654
M344081
M843376
M835074
M900480
Marmara
01-27-2018, 05:06 PM
This is a "Turkmen" according to the archive
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 25.62
2 South_Central_Asian 19.31
3 Tungus-Altaic 9.65
4 Near_East 9.12
5 South_Indian 7.64
6 Ancestral_Altaic 6.72
7 East_Siberian 5.74
8 European_Early_Farmers 4.47
9 South_East_Asian 3.91
10 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.41
11 Arctic 2.17
Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 9.309083
2 Tajik_Afghan @ 13.836973
3 Uzbek_Afghan @ 16.631779
4 Uzbek @ 16.772005
5 Iranian @ 17.209370
6 Turkmen_Afghan @ 18.087290
7 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 18.362093
8 Kurd_South @ 18.924225
9 Nogai @ 19.067289
10 Azeri @ 19.145065
11 Kurd_East @ 19.668024
12 Iraki @ 19.895912
13 Turk_Adana @ 20.330544
14 Kurd_North @ 20.563038
15 Ain_Touta_WGA @ 20.749702
16 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 20.769083
17 Uygur-Han @ 20.772669
18 Parsi @ 21.243067
19 Turk_Aydin @ 21.421244
20 Kurd @ 21.654858
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian +50% Uzbek @ 5.913108
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian_Iraqi +25% Burusho +25% Hakas @ 3.970809
Is this Kirkuk Turkmen?
Hudayar
01-27-2018, 05:09 PM
Is this Kirkuk Turkmen?
Turkmen from Turkmenistan i guess
Sikeliot
01-27-2018, 05:35 PM
Most of these results are close to Armenians and Assyrians, absolutely disproving the lie that Iraqis are literally transplanted Arabians who wiped out the indigenous population.
Sikeliot
01-27-2018, 05:38 PM
This one: T446850
Does not seem full Iraqi to me. I suspect they are half Slavic.
MDLP K23:
Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.87
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.72
3 European_Early_Farmers 13.98
4 South_Central_Asian 11.42
5 Near_East 10.17
6 North_African 1.83
7 East_African 1.63
8 Ancestral_Altaic 1.54
9 South_Indian 1.02
Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 11.528086
2 Gagauz_ @ 12.096793
3 Romanian_ @ 12.295359
4 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 12.491117
5 Azov_Greek_ @ 12.613168
6 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 12.639599
7 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 12.692767
8 Bulgarian_ @ 13.084187
9 Greek_Northwest_ @ 13.092374
10 Greek_ @ 13.536065
11 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 13.813624
12 Central_Greek_ @ 13.813959
13 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 14.163794
14 Macedonian_ @ 14.248324
15 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 14.346791
16 Turk_Aydin_ @ 14.487381
17 Turk_Istanbul_ @ 14.951655
18 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ @ 15.096947
19 Kosovar_ @ 15.146711
20 Greek_Athens_ @ 15.374713
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iraqi_Chaldean_ +50% Slovenian_ @ 2.184495
Hadouken
01-27-2018, 05:52 PM
Most of these results are close to Armenians and Assyrians, absolutely disproving the lie that Iraqis are literally transplanted Arabians who wiped out the indigenous population.
they are not close to armenians and assyrians . what are you talking about :D as leto showed they shift very heavily towards arabia and bedouin people
This one: T446850
Does not seem full Iraqi to me. I suspect they are half Slavic.
Yes, there was one half Iraqi. I should've removed him.
Lucas
01-27-2018, 06:12 PM
I guess nobody check them by common email?:)
Full list
Kit Number: T017321
Name: L Al Hussaini (IQ)
Kit Number: M125350
Name: Hussain Mukhtar (IQ)
Kit Number: T446850
Name: Nasser Rai El Balha (IQ)
Kit Number: T704083
Name: W.Al Jaff (IQ)
Kit Number: T505870
Name: M Katib (IQ)
Kit Number: T682684
Name: Shalchi (IQ)
Kit Number: T769624
Name: Danny Einy (IQ)
Kit Number: T809514
Name: Ghali Elani (IQ)
Kit Number: T595950
Name: *Sh.Rahamim-IQJ
Kit Number: T552053
Name: Atoraya (IQ)
Kit Number: T641398
Name: Al Hazzani (KSA)
Kit Number: T063844
Name: Moshe Mizrahi (IQ)
Kit Number: T556942
Name: A Alzayyadi (IQ)
Kit Number: T825759
Name: *H Lapcha (IQ)
Kit Number: T545905
Name: Heskil Shamash (IQJ)
Kit Number: T631740
Name: Ron Dekel Nahum (IQJ)
Kit Number: T857736
Name: *S.Yazeedi (IQ)
Kit Number: T189139
Name: Nizar Alsalem (KSA)
Kit Number: T491493
Name: *H.Kashani (IQ)
Kit Number: T900616
Name: *m.khoja (Kochi-india)
Kit Number: T689466
Name: M.Taqi-Baghdad (IQ)
Kit Number: T301557
Name: Mawali Al Mushashi-Basra (IQ)
Kit Number: A529564
Name: Y.Kanna (IQ)
Kit Number: M343176
Name: A Anizy (IQ)
Kit Number: T657718
Name: *N.Shorees Tellisqif (IQ)
Kit Number: T261671
Name: zahra.Baghdad (IQ)
Kit Number: T524191
Name: R.Al Awadhi (IR.UAE)
Kit Number: Z235547
Name: Ha. Zangana (IQ)
Kit Number: M809827
Name: Ammar Alani (IQ)
Kit Number: Z243290
Name: K.Alsubaie (KSA)
Kit Number: Z577020
Name: Mz. Almsodani (IQ)
Kit Number: Z506701
Name: Al Hubain - Alani (IQ)
Kit Number: Z280729
Name: Albunasir Tikrit (IQ)
Kit Number: Z254095
Name: Al Refaie-Mandali (IQ)
Kit Number: Z592676
Name: Al Zubaidi AlKut (IQ)
Kit Number: A565565
Name: Suz Alshabandar (IQ)
Kit Number: T304878
Name: David Nahum Amara (IQ)
Kit Number: T122968
Name: Tawar Aljaff Hawramani (IQ)
Kit Number: T279726
Name: Ana Albajari (IQ)
Kit Number: T394555
Name: Ninawa Zaya (IQ)
Kit Number: A950813
Name: Yasser Astarabadi (IQ)
Kit Number: T388787
Name: Najah Al Bahrani (IQ)
Kit Number: T323109
Name: Basam Yousif Chaldean (IQ)
Kit Number: T125113
Name: A Alsabie (IQ)
Kit Number: T698975
Name: A. Alkuhaili (IQ)
Kit Number: T283701
Name: A.Albu Saleh (IQ)
Kit Number: T270288
Name: Luay Toma Chaldean (IQ)
Kit Number: T433588
Name: Khalid Alflaj (KSA)
Kit Number: T654933
Name: Khalid Alflaj (KSA)
Kit Number: T654123
Name: Sami Dallal (IQJ)
Kit Number: T739572
Name: Shahad Alimara (IQ)
Kit Number: T537005
Name: Ali Zaki Alajwad (IQ)
Kit Number: T279585
Name: Aiden Josph (IQ)
Kit Number: T292135
Name: Mustafa Slie (IQT)
Kit Number: T134777
Name: Ahmad Al Nasiri (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T082914
Name: abo ahmad (KSA)
Kit Number: T237632
Name: S. Shabaki (IQ)
Kit Number: T079968
Name: Mohamed Al Asadi (IQ-CH)
Kit Number: T726371
Name: Oqab Al Asadi (IQ-CH)
Kit Number: T441318
Name: Maher Abulhail (IQ-CH)
Kit Number: T787355
Name: Yousef Aqiqi (IQ)
Kit Number: T870930
Name: Saif Alkhamisi (IQ)
Kit Number: T226126
Name: Saleh Ali Alshahbandar الشاهبندر (IQ)
Kit Number: M653279
Name: Muthana Juma Amara (IQ)
Kit Number: T184313
Name: Ghaith Sheikhli (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T100856
Name: Melad Shaia Deesha (IQ-Chld)
Kit Number: T388981
Name: Martin Jajjo Bartilla (IQ-SYC)
Kit Number: T984748
Name: M Alkhazraji (IQ)
Kit Number: T021141
Name: Sama Mahmood Allami (IQ)
Kit Number: T895098
Name: Matti Abdullah Syriac (IQ)
Kit Number: T298422
Name: Aiden Al Bayati (IQ-Alkut)
Kit Number: A430262
Name: Amin Wafer (MSL-IQ)
Kit Number: A687218
Name: Dalaf.B.Farhan Altaie (IQ)
Kit Number: T755804
Name: Ali Al Azzawi (IQ)
Kit Number: T612970
Name: Mohamed Ali Bayati (IQ)
Kit Number: T434755
Name: Abd Almryan (IQ-DQ)
Kit Number: T351585
Name: M Almishrifawi (IQ-ah)
Kit Number: T788652
Name: Ali Fadhil Alzubidi (IQ-bgd)
Kit Number: T961900
Name: Y Almislih Altamimi (IQ-Bsr)
Kit Number: T075264
Name: Qasim Aljaberi (IQ)
Kit Number: T653452
Name: Ahmad Nima Alhasnawi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T340681
Name: Nawaf Alasadi (IQ)
Kit Number: T176788
Name: Yahya Alzehiri (IQ-Mandaean)
Kit Number: T794151
Name: Jasem Al-Asadi (IQ-Chb)
Kit Number: T653044
Name: Sam Sofya (IQ-Mosul)
Kit Number: T418664
Name: Hoshiar Kakie (IQ)
Kit Number: T924587
Name: Rusly Almaliki (IQ)
Kit Number: T863252
Name: Muhanad Haddad Khaldi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T868626
Name: Firas Alnashee (IQ)
Kit Number: T573279
Name: Shereen Munthir Alabbasi (IQ-Diyala)
Kit Number: T416794
Name: Kameel Alkahachi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T263818
Name: Sinan Saeed Jaff (IQ-Kurd)
Kit Number: T092151
Name: Haidar Karam Aldulaimi (IQ-Kut)
Kit Number: T260921
Name: Mushriq Al attar (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T788621
Name: Dunya Tariq Altaha (IQ-Babylon)
Kit Number: T756023
Name: Ali Agha Aljaberi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T001564
Name: Baraa Alhasan (IQ-NJF)
Kit Number: T621244
Name: Raad Almaliki (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T669610
Name: Bilal Almosawi (IQ-Dhi Qar)
Kit Number: T843340
Name: Marah AlTemimi (IQ-Diyala)
Kit Number: T971749
Name: Mohamed Alaraji (IQ-Karbala)
Kit Number: T490689
Name: Jasim Tiba (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: A533769
Name: Rawa Sahib Fatlawi (IQ-Twairij-Hilla)
Kit Number: T350477
Name: Hasan Alshami (IQ-Karbala)
Kit Number: T862034
Name: Qaragul (IQ-Avu Ghraib)
Kit Number: T049742
Name: Emad Malikshahi (IQ-Alkut)
Kit Number: T645415
Name: Nikolay Faza (IQ-Palestine)
Kit Number: T644104
Name: Mustafa Alsa3idi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T600896
Name: Jack Bahjat Bamirni (IQ-Duhok)
Kit Number: T432520
Name: Rafid Aldaami (IQ-Karbala)
Kit Number: T233828
Name: M kamal Alsaffar (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: A884254
Name: Maha Kareem (IQ)
Kit Number: T762886
Name: Z. Shabana (IQ-Diwaniya)
Kit Number: T160231
Name: Mohamed Aljorani (IQ)
Kit Number: T011221
Name: Ammar Alazawi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T749254
Name: Tariq Aln3imi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T476435
Name: Al Habbar (IQ-Mosul)
Kit Number: T520577
Name: Mahmood Alrefaie (IQ-Tikrit)
Kit Number: T050344
Name: Dhafer Mizrahi (IQJ)
Kit Number: T663867
Name: Sabah Ravo (IQ-YZD)
Kit Number: T727122
Name: Ahmad Alsamarie (IQ-Samara)
Kit Number: T064595
Name: Mehmet Yashar Aga (IQ-Kirkuk)
Lucas
01-27-2018, 06:13 PM
IQJ are Iraqi Jews
Those are interesting:
Kit Number: T323109
Name: Basam Yousif Chaldean (IQ)
Kit Number: T270288
Name: Luay Toma Chaldean (IQ)
Kit Number: T176788
Name: Yahya Alzehiri (IQ-Mandaean)
Kit Number: T895098
Name: Matti Abdullah Syriac (IQ)
And Yazidi possibly
Kit Number: T663867
Name: Sabah Ravo (IQ-YZD)
Kit Number: T857736
Name: *S.Yazeedi (IQ)
Pahli
01-27-2018, 06:17 PM
Some of these Iraqi samples are not ethnic Arab Iraqi but Kurdish, I have a match with S.Yazeedi on Gedmatch and I'm pretty sure its a Yazidi Kurd:
Also Moshe Mizrahi is Jewish af.
Name: Sabah Ravo (IQ-YZD)
Kit Number: T857736
Name: *S.Yazeedi (IQ)
Basically regular Kurds genetically. No extra Aryan blood.
Some of these Iraqi samples are not ethnic Arab Iraqi but Kurdish, I have a match with S.Yazeedi on Gedmatch and I'm pretty sure its a Yazidi Kurd:
In the OP I stated BOTH Arabs AND Kurds.
Lucas
01-27-2018, 06:22 PM
Some of these Iraqi samples are not ethnic Arab Iraqi but Kurdish, I have a match with S.Yazeedi on Gedmatch and I'm pretty sure its a Yazidi Kurd:
Also Moshe Mizrahi is Jewish af.
Yes, so I would be careful when post them as Iraqi Arabs. I suspect also some others marked as (IQ) are Iraqi Jewish.
Hadouken
01-27-2018, 06:23 PM
Basically regular Kurds genetically. No extra Aryan blood.
"regular kurds" . hm not really . there are differences to our (turkey kurds) results . not dramatic differences but still different
Pahli
01-27-2018, 06:24 PM
Yes, so I would be careful when post them as Iraqi Arabs. I suspect also some others marked as (IQ) are Iraqi Jewish.
Its because they're done through some Iraqi DNA project, they haven't taken account for their ethnic background which sucks because there is difference between the ethnic groups in Iraq.
Basically regular Kurds genetically. No extra Aryan blood.
I wouldn't expect anything out of usual, West Iranic people are the least Aryan genetically compared to the others.
"regular kurds" . hm not really . there are differences to our (turkey kurds) results . not dramatic differences but still different
Funny thing is that Yazidis don't accept any converts. Even you or Pahli can't join them. :)
Hadouken
01-27-2018, 06:28 PM
Funny thing is that Yazidis don't accept any converts. Even you or Pahli can't join them. :)
I wouldnt convert to yazidism anyway . so its all good :lol:
doesnt change that we are kurdish
I wouldn't expect anything out of usual, West Iranic people are the least Aryan genetically compared to the others.
I've seen photos of Yazidis with blue eyes and kids with blondish hair. Put them in Northern Europe for a few weeks and they won't even be that swarthy. I thought they should have more European admixture due to endogamy and isolation.
Lucas
01-27-2018, 06:31 PM
I've seen photos of Yazidis with blue eyes and kids with blondish hair. Put them in Northern Europe for a few weeks and they won't even be that swarthy. I thought they should have more European admixture due to endogamy and isolation.
If there is any academic study with many Yazidis samples investigated?
Pahli
01-27-2018, 06:34 PM
I've seen photos of Yazidis with blue eyes and kids with blondish hair. Put them in Northern Europe for a few weeks and they won't even be that swarthy. I thought they should have more European admixture due to endogamy and isolation.
S. Yazeedi:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 44.99
2 SW_Europe 19.5
3 SW_Asia 14.48
4 NE_Europe 9.17
5 South_Asia 7.08
6 Siberia 1.71
7 West_Africa 0.92
8 South_Africa 0.71
9 SE_Asia 0.68
10 NE_Asia 0.49
11 Oceania 0.28
And me:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 45.62
2 SW_Europe 21.19
3 SW_Asia 15.51
4 NE_Europe 6.86
5 South_Asia 6.07
6 NE_Asia 1.6
7 East_Africa 0.93
8 Americas 0.93
9 Siberia 0.56
10 South_Africa 0.55
11 West_Africa 0.2
Apart from some small differences, we're quite similar. I don't think those few percentages of N. European admixture makes a big difference, its probably related to the CHG admixture. I get mistaken a lot for a South European / Balkan person.
If there is any academic study with many Yazidis samples investigated?
I don't know. Never thought of that.
Kit Number: T645415
Name: Nikolay Faza (IQ-Palestine)
Absolutely indigenous Levantine :thumb001:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 45.15
2 West_Asian 18.27
3 Red_Sea 14.57
4 West_Med 13.43
5 Northeast_African 4.11
6 North_Atlantic 3.07
7 South_Asian 1.4
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Samaritan 3.65
2 Palestinian 4.02
3 Lebanese_Christian 5.48
4 Jordanian 6.01
5 Syrian 7.63
Sikeliot
01-27-2018, 10:28 PM
This one is pretty much like a Lebanese Muslim: T769624. Their #20 is South Italian, interestingly.
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 41.58
2 West_Asian 18.6
3 Red_Sea 10.58
4 West_Med 10.42
5 Atlantic 5.92
6 North_Sea 4.1
7 Eastern_Euro 3.95
8 Northeast_African 2.63
9 South_Asian 1.52
10 Siberian 0.43
11 Amerindian 0.26
12 Baltic 0.02
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 5.01
2 Syrian 6.39
3 Cyprian 7.29
4 Samaritan 7.29
5 Lebanese_Christian 7.42
6 Palestinian 8.43
7 Jordanian 8.46
8 Lebanese_Druze 8.49
9 Tunisian_Jewish 10.11
10 Kurdish_Jewish 10.35
11 Libyan_Jewish 11
12 Iranian_Jewish 11.11
13 Sephardic_Jewish 12.21
14 Assyrian 12.37
15 Italian_Jewish 13.43
16 Bedouin 13.61
17 Algerian_Jewish 13.8
18 Georgian_Jewish 15.95
19 Turkish 16.25
20 South_Italian 16.76
Kamal900
01-27-2018, 11:51 PM
Funny thing is that Yazidis don't accept any converts. Even you or Pahli can't join them. :)
The same is true for the Druze in the Levant as well. Not sure about other ethno-religious groups of the Levant.
Mingle
01-28-2018, 12:36 AM
The same is true for the Druze in the Levant as well. Not sure about other ethno-religious groups of the Levant.Zoroastrians aren't Levantines, but they have a similar policy.
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StonyArabia
01-28-2018, 05:26 AM
they are not close to armenians and assyrians . what are you talking about :D as leto showed they shift very heavily towards arabia and bedouin people
Indeed Iraqi Arabs are mostly Arabian/Bedouin with strong Iranian influence, both of these are post-Mongol invasion. As I explained about it. The Assryrian like population is mostly confined to Mosuli Arabs those with no tribal base. Well other Iraqi Arabs especially Southern are more Arabian like. The shrine cities like Karbala and Najaf are mostly Arabian+Iranian. Iraqi Arabs as whole are very distinct from Armenians. Iraqi Arabs are also pretty dark skinned, the weather and also Arabian admix are probably the reason. Interior Desert regions of Iraq both in the West and South show no Iranian influence. Iranian influence is strongest in the center where the shrine cities is located and in the more East you go.
Kamal900
01-28-2018, 11:28 AM
Zoroastrians aren't Levantines, but they have a similar policy.
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What about Hindus?
LoLeL
01-28-2018, 06:52 PM
A glimpse at the intricate mosaic of ethnicities from Mesopotamia: Paternal lineages of the Northern Iraqi Arabs, Kurds, Syriacs, Turkmens and Yazidis (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0187408)
Widely considered as one of the cradles of human civilization, Mesopotamia is largely situated in the Republic of Iraq, which is also the birthplace of the Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian and Babylonian civilizations. These lands were subsequently ruled by the Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Mongolians, Ottomans and finally British prior to the independence. As a direct consequence of this rich history, the contemporary Iraqi population comprises a true mosaic of different ethnicities, which includes Arabs, Kurds, Turkmens, Assyrians, and Yazidis among others. As such, the genetics of the contemporary Iraqi populations are of anthropological and forensic interest. In an effort to contribute to a better understanding of the genetic basis of this ethnic diversity, a total of 500 samples were collected from Northern Iraqi volunteers belonging to five major ethnic groups, namely: Arabs (n = 102), Kurds (n = 104), Turkmens (n = 102), Yazidis (n = 106) and Syriacs (n = 86). 17-loci Y-STR analyses were carried out using the AmpFlSTR Yfiler system, and subsequently in silico haplogroup assignments were made to gain insights from a molecular anthropology perspective. Systematic comparisons of the paternal lineages of these five Northern Iraqi ethnic groups, not only among themselves but also in the context of the larger genetic landscape of the Near East and beyond, were then made through the use of two different genetic distance metric measures and the associated data visualization methods. Taken together, results from the current study suggested the presence of intricate Y-chromosomal lineage patterns among the five ethic groups analyzed, wherein both interconnectivity and independent microvariation were observed in parallel, albeit in a differential manner. Notably, the novel Y-STR data on Turkmens, Syriacs and Yazidis from Northern Iraq constitute the first of its kind in the literature. Data presented herein is expected to contribute to further population and forensic investigations in Northern Iraq in particular and the Near East in general.
HD values ranging between 0.97456 and 0.99739 were observed for the Syriac and Kurdish population datasets, respectively, and intermediate values for the remaining three ethnic groups analyzed (Table 2). An immediate difference between the 17-loci Y-STR datasets obtained was that in the number of haplotype replicates observed, both at intra and inter population levels, and as reflected by the UH values observed: Arabs (78.43%), Kurds (80.77%), Syriacs (36.05%), Turkmens (72.55%) and Yazidis (22.64%). Such low UH values observed for the Syriac and Yazidi ethnic groups are perhaps reflective of the well-documented isolation and/or strict, religious endogamy in these communities [7, 35]. The observed DC values for each population dataset also exhibited significant variations, ranging from 47.17% for Yazidis to 89.42% for Kurds and intermediate values for the other three ethnicities (Table 2). A somewhat counteracting effect was the observation of numerous rare genetic variations that could potentially help during forensic investigations and may also provide novel insights from an anthropological perspective (Table 1).
Although based on two different genetic distance metrics, namely Rst and Nei’s DA, and also analyses comprising largely different population datasets, AMOVA/MDS (Table 3 and Fig 2) and N-J phylogenetic tree (S2 Table and Fig 3) analyses seemingly revealed concordant results whereby each of the new population datasets from the current study were found to be distinct in the sense that they all exhibited differential clustering with each other and those from other nearby/distant populations.
To provide further insights from an anthropological perspective, haplogroup assignments were made with the popular Whit Athey haplogroup assignment algorithm, the results of which were then further validated through the use of a second algorithm, namely the NevGen Y-DNA Haplogroup Predictor (S3 Table). Observation of a ‘gross discrepancy rate’ of 10.2% and a ‘corrected discrepancy rate’ of only 5.8% suggested that such in silico haplogroup assignment tools could perhaps provide some insights when proper Y-SNP data is not available. So, with great caution, the following relevant conclusions were made based on such in silico produced data alone. The R (25%) and J (39%) macrohaplogroups were found to account for over 60% in total for the combined dataset from Northern Iraq, which is consistent with the fact that both macrohaplogroups are thought to originate from the Near East as pre-Last Glacial Maximum events that subsequently spread to Europe during late Mesolithic and early Neolithic time, respectively (Table 4 and Fig 4) [36, 37]. In contrast, significant variations were observed in the actual distribution of specific sub-clades of these and other macrohaplogroups among the five different ethnic groups from Northern Iraq, perhaps akin to other highly admixed and/or divergent populations from the Near East [13, 37–39]. While there are a number of earlier studies on the paternal lineages of various Kurdish populations, these correspond to smaller population samples and/or loci coverages than that in the current study [39–43]. One of these earlier studies included Y-SNP-based haplogroups distribution for four Kurdish populations in total from Turkey, Georgia and Turkmenistan, where J2 and R were observed up to 32% and 37%, respectively [42]. In a more recent study focusing on different ethnic groups from Iran, haplogroups J2 and R were both observed at 24% in Kurds, wherein R1a alone accounted for 20% [39]. Consequently, results from these earlier studies are in good agreement with those for Northern Iraqi Kurds from the current study, wherein J2 subclades were found to account for 22%, while lineages R1a and R1b together accounted for 21%, and with R1a at 17%. Y-chromosomal data on various Arabic-speaking populations across a wide geography ranging from North Africa to West Asia are also available in the literature, often pointing out to the heterogeneous nature of these populations and reflective of their panethnic composition. Y-chromosomal haplogroup distributions in Marsh Arabs from the eastern part of Iraq were also investigated, wherein J1 was found to be the most prevalent lineage with its three markers accounting for 81% in total [44]. Hence, results from the current study on the Northern Iraqi Arabs are in good agreement with those for Marsh Arabs because J1 lineages accounted for around 39% in the former, constituting the highest not only in this ethnic group, but also among all five analyzed. Considering that J1 is thought to originate from a geographical zone that includes northeastern Syria, northern Iraq and eastern Turkey, from where it expanded to the rest of the Near East and North Africa, such high prevalence of J1 among Iraqi Arabs is indicative of their indigenous nature [45]. There are also a number of earlier investigations on the paternal lineages of various Turkmen populations [25, 26, 39, 46]. However, a distinction should perhaps be made between the Turkic populations from Turkmenistan in Central Asia and elsewhere, such as in Northern Iraq and Northern Syria. At least the Northern Iraqi Turkmen, although still Turkic and thus with historical links with Central Asia, have even closer links with the Turkic populations from Anatolia and/or Azerbaijan/Northwestern Iran. Earlier investigations on the Turkmen population in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and Iran, suggested that haplogroup Q was the most prevalent accounting for 34%, 73% and 43%, in that order [25, 26, 39]. An earlier study from the Turkmenistan population per se also exists, albeit of relatively poor Y-SNP typing resolution, whereby the most prevalent haplogroups observed were P(xR1a), J and N(x3) with the frequencies of 52%, 24% and 10%, in that order [46]. Results from the current study suggest that haplogroup distribution for the Northern Iraqi Turkmen population is more similar to that of other Northern Iraqi populations, such as Kurds, as well as Turkish populations in Southeastern Anatolia and Cyprus [13, 37]. Results from the current study also suggested that, the paternal lineages of the Northern Iraqi Syriacs are rather homogenous, and exhibit signs of a strong population bottleneck, a situation perhaps even further emphasized due to strict endogamy known to be practiced in this ethnic group (Table 2). This also seems to be the case for the Northern Iraqi Yazidis, where strict endogamy is also practiced in a relatively small and isolated population of around half a million people [7, 47]. In the case of Northern Iraqi Syriacs, significant Rst genetic distances were observed with all other nearby populations, except for the Yazidis from the current study, and Iraqis, Iranians, Italian (Marche) and Turkish populations from Cukurova, the Marmara Region and Southeastern Anatolia in general (Table 3, Fig 2). In contrast, the Northern Iraqi Yazidis were found to have non-significant Rst genetic distances with all other four ethnic groups from the current study, as well as those from Albania, Cyprus, Iraq, Iran Lebanon and Italy (Marche), as well as the Turkish populations from the Marmara Region and Southeastern Anatolia (Table 3, Fig 2). Consequently, despite corresponding to isolated and homogenous populations, contemporary Syriacs and Yazidis from Northern Iraq may in fact have a stronger continuity with the original genetic stock of the Mesopotamian people, which possibly provided the basis for the ethnogenesis of various subsequent Near Eastern populations. Such an observation seems to be in line with genetic distance calculations based on a different method, namely Nei’s DA genetic distance, whereby the Northern Iraqi Syriac and Yazidi populations from the current study were found to position in the middle of a genetic continuum between the Near East and Southeastern Europe. Earlier Y-chromosomal haplogroup distribution data on Syriacs from Northern Iraq (n = 7) and Iran (n = 48 and 55) suggested an overall dominance by the R and J haplogroups [35, 39, 45]. In particular, in the most recent study with the highest haplogroup resolution (n = 48), R1a, R1b, J1 and J2 sub-clades were found to account for 8%, 29%, 15% and 15% in that order among Assyrians from Iran [39]. In this respect, the results from the current study, albeit on Northern Iraqi Syriacs (n = 86) are in good agreement because J and R subclades were observed at 36% and 41%, respectively, where R1a, R1b, J1 and J2 sub-clades accounted for 11%, 30%, 12% and 24%. Unfortunately no previously published data exists on the Y-chromosomal haplogroup distributions in Yazidis from Northern Iraq or elsewhere, hence precluding comparisons with those from the current study. Results from the current study suggest dominance by R haplogroup subclades among Yazidis, where R1a and R1b account for 9% and 21%, respectively. M-JN and associated TMRCA analyses on haplotypes with J1, J2a1b, R1a and R1b haplogroup assignments among Northern Iraqis all suggested in situ radiation as a plausible model to explain the diversity of the corresponding paternal lineages. This is because there were seemingly: (a) a number of star-like descent clusters in the J1 network, exclusively or partially comprised of Arab haplotypes, which dominated the overall network, (b) two star-like descent clusters in the R1b network, one comprising Syriac and the other Yazidi haplotypes, which also both dominated the overall network, and (c) two star-like descent clusters in the J2a1b network, one comprising Syriac / Kurdish and the other Yazidi haplotypes, although the overall network was dominated by Kurdish haplotypes.
In conclusion, data presented herein constitutes a significant primer for further population studies and forensic investigations in Northern Iraq, such as the missing person identification efforts due to past and present conflicts. Novel insights into the molecular anthropology of Near Eastern populations are also expected due to hitherto scantity of genetic data from this corner of the world of immense historical importance. However, it should be noted that the major limitation to this study is the lack of Y-SNP genotyping.
Argentano
01-03-2019, 06:41 PM
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273147-Iraqi-Italian-spanish-and-portuguese-gedmatch-kits-eurogenes-k15&p=5705441#post5705441
AL4433342 IQ-Turkmen-Kirkuk
Lucas
07-24-2019, 10:59 AM
AL4433342 IQ-Turkmen-Kirkuk
He is nearly non-Mong.
BTW Iraqi Gypsy
DN6978906
Amerindian -
Arabian 3.19 Pct
Armenian 5.59 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.47 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.67 Pct
East_Med 6.58 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan 1.13 Pct
Near_Eastern 10.24 Pct
North_African 2.53 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 5.64 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.80 Pct
Omotic 2.65 Pct
Pygmy 0.10 Pct
Siberian -
South_Asian 28.42 Pct
South_Central_Asian 23.81 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 2.31 Pct
West_Caucasian 5.86 Pct
West_Med -
He is nearly non-Mong.
Are they largely assimilated West Asians?
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.64
2 South_Central_Asian 22.61
3 Near_East 13.43
4 European_Early_Farmers 6.92
5 South_Indian 5.65
6 North_African 4.6
7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 2.27
8 Ancestral_Altaic 1.7
9 South_East_Asian 1.6
10 Khoisan 0.84
11 Amerindian 0.54
12 Austronesian 0.52
13 Arctic 0.48
14 African_Pygmy 0.42
15 Subsaharian 0.35
16 Archaic_African 0.35
17 Tungus-Altaic 0.08
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_South ( ) 5.26
2 Kurd_East ( ) 5.69
3 Kurd_North ( ) 6.05
4 Azeri ( ) 7.28
5 Kurd ( ) 8.21
6 Turk_Adana ( ) 9.31
7 Iraqi_Mandean ( ) 9.85
8 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 10.03
9 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 11.14
10 Baku_WGA ( ) 11.36
11 Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) 11.69
12 Kurd_Jew ( ) 11.86
13 Iraki ( ) 11.96
14 Iranian ( ) 13.25
15 Georgian_Jew ( ) 13.25
16 Turk ( ) 13.49
17 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 13.61
18 Iranian_Jew ( ) 13.67
19 Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) 14.25
20 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 14.9
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.9% Georgian_Jew ( ) + 17.1% Sindhi ( ) @ 2.23
2 79.8% Georgian_Jew ( ) + 20.2% Pathan ( ) @ 2.58
3 72.9% Georgian_Jew ( ) + 27.1% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.72
4 81.9% Georgian_Jew ( ) + 18.1% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) @ 2.78
5 66.3% Iraqi_Jew ( ) + 33.7% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.79
6 81.7% Georgian_Jew ( ) + 18.3% Burusho ( ) @ 2.87
7 74% Druze ( ) + 26% Kalash ( ) @ 2.9
8 65.1% Georgian_Jew ( ) + 34.9% Parsi ( ) @ 2.96
9 50% Iranian ( ) + 50% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 3.02
10 95% Kurd_North ( ) + 5% Kharia ( ) @ 3.08
11 75.4% Georgian_Jew ( ) + 24.6% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 3.11
12 95.1% Kurd_North ( ) + 4.9% Dhurwa ( ) @ 3.12
13 95.1% Kurd_North ( ) + 4.9% Bhunjia ( ) @ 3.14
14 69.6% Druze ( ) + 30.4% Balochi ( ) @ 3.15
15 94.5% Kurd_North ( ) + 5.5% Onge ( ) @ 3.16
16 95% Kurd_North ( ) + 5% Ho ( ) @ 3.16
17 95.3% Kurd_North ( ) + 4.7% Santhal ( ) @ 3.19
18 71.5% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) + 28.5% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.21
19 72.4% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 27.6% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.22
20 85.3% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) + 14.7% Jatt_Muslim ( ) @ 3.29
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.49
2 Gedrosia 22.68
3 Southwest_Asian 14.48
4 Atlantic_Med 6.55
5 North_European 6.23
6 South_Asian 4.86
7 East_Asian 2.23
8 Northwest_African 1.9
9 Southeast_Asian 0.93
10 East_African 0.4
11 Sub_Saharan 0.25
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian (Dodecad) 7.04
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 7.08
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 7.4
4 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 8.31
5 Iranians (Behar) 8.58
6 Turks (Behar) 12.02
7 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.24
8 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 14.26
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 14.34
10 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 14.35
11 Assyrian (Dodecad) 14.92
12 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 15.53
13 Lebanese (Behar) 16.19
14 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 16.25
15 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.45
16 Armenian (Dodecad) 17.07
17 Syrians (Behar) 18.18
18 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.4
19 Druze (HGDP) 19.58
20 Jordanians (Behar) 20.28
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.1% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 15.9% Burusho (HGDP) @ 2.5
2 74.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 25.1% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3
3 86% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 14% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.32
4 83.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 16.5% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.37
5 78.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 21.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.53
6 87.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 12.3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 3.6
7 68.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 31.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.73
8 77.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 22.8% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.83
9 73.6% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 26.4% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.89
10 86.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 13.1% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 3.92
11 88.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 11.5% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 3.94
12 73% Iranian (Dodecad) + 27% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.98
13 67.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 32.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.1
14 88.8% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 11.2% Indian (Dodecad) @ 4.11
15 88.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 11.3% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 4.16
16 89.1% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 10.9% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 4.18
17 80.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 19.7% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 4.2
18 89.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 10.6% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 4.23
19 77.9% Iranian (Dodecad) + 22.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 4.23
20 67.3% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 32.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.27
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Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 41.21
2 Baloch 22.39
3 SW-Asian 15.24
4 NE-Euro 5.97
5 Mediterranean 5.94
6 S-Indian 4.29
7 NE-Asian 3.45
8 W-African 0.56
9 American 0.37
10 Papuan 0.31
11 Pygmy 0.26
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (harappa) 5.05
2 iranian (behar) 6.25
3 iranian (harappa) 6.44
4 kurd (yunusbayev) 6.84
5 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 7.17
6 turkish (harappa) 7.21
7 kurd (xing) 7.44
8 armenian (harappa) 8.46
9 azeri (harappa) 8.59
10 iraqi-arab (harappa) 9.36
11 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 11.27
12 turk (behar) 11.44
13 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 11.49
14 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 11.98
15 assyrian (harappa) 12.07
16 iranian-jew (behar) 12.5
17 iraq-jew (behar) 13.54
18 georgia-jew (behar) 13.55
19 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 13.64
20 palestinian (harappa) 13.76
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.7% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 12.3% nepalese-c (xing) @ 2.66
2 85.6% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 14.4% burusho (hgdp) @ 2.86
3 74.7% georgia-jew (behar) + 25.3% burusho (hgdp) @ 3.07
4 80% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 20% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.12
5 68.1% iranian-jew (behar) + 31.9% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.12
6 71.2% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 28.8% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 3.2
7 88% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 12% nepalese-a (xing) @ 3.32
8 81.9% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 18.1% pashtun (harappa) @ 3.34
9 72.6% iranian (harappa) + 27.4% syrian (behar) @ 3.45
10 86.8% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 13.2% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 3.48
11 86% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 14% kashmiri (harappa) @ 3.48
12 66.4% iraq-jew (behar) + 33.6% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.49
13 82% iranian (harappa) + 18% samaritian (behar) @ 3.56
14 85.4% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 14.6% pathan (hgdp) @ 3.59
15 70.3% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) + 29.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.61
16 80.5% iranian (harappa) + 19.5% palestinian (hgdp) @ 3.65
17 86.9% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 13.1% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 3.65
18 66.4% georgia-jew (behar) + 33.6% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.66
19 86% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 14% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.67
20 86.2% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 13.8% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 3.67
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This Kurd from Duhok is a practically unmixed West Iranic
Kit JG8604026
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.61
2 East_Med 28.78
3 South_Asian 8.02
4 West_Med 6.58
5 Red_Sea 5.96
6 North_Atlantic 5.12
7 Baltic 4.42
8 Northeast_African 0.52
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 2.19
2 Iranian 5.35
3 Azeri 6.44
4 Armenian 9.72
5 Georgian_Jewish 10.69
6 Turkish 11.45
7 Kumyk 13.44
8 Georgian 13.58
9 Assyrian 13.65
10 Adygei 15.12
11 Abhkasian 15.21
12 Iranian_Jewish 15.98
13 Kurdish_Jewish 16.53
14 Ossetian 17.07
15 Balkar 17.33
16 Turkmen 17.67
17 North_Ossetian 17.88
18 Kabardin 18.31
19 Lezgin 18.7
20 Chechen 19.06
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% Kurdish + 2.3% Irish @ 1.71
2 97.6% Kurdish + 2.4% North_German @ 1.72
3 97.7% Kurdish + 2.3% North_Dutch @ 1.72
4 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% West_Scottish @ 1.73
5 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% Norwegian @ 1.73
6 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% Southwest_English @ 1.73
7 97.7% Kurdish + 2.3% Danish @ 1.73
8 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% Swedish @ 1.74
9 94.1% Kurdish + 5.9% Tabassaran @ 1.75
10 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% Orcadian @ 1.75
11 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% Southeast_English @ 1.75
12 97.5% Kurdish + 2.5% Austrian @ 1.77
13 97.6% Kurdish + 2.4% East_German @ 1.77
14 97.6% Kurdish + 2.4% South_Dutch @ 1.77
15 97.6% Kurdish + 2.4% West_German @ 1.78
16 93.7% Kurdish + 6.3% Lezgin @ 1.79
17 98% Kurdish + 2% North_Swedish @ 1.8
18 93.9% Kurdish + 6.1% Chechen @ 1.81
19 97.6% Kurdish + 2.4% French @ 1.82
20 97.9% Kurdish + 2.1% Polish @ 1.82
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.04
2 East_Med 31.22
3 South_Asian 7.97
4 Eastern_Euro 7.08
5 Red_Sea 5.69
6 Atlantic 4.95
7 West_Med 2.27
8 Baltic 2.25
9 North_Sea 2.07
10 Northeast_African 0.48
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 2.56
2 Iranian 4.81
3 Azeri 5.82
4 Georgian_Jewish 9.11
5 Armenian 9.58
6 Turkish 10.04
7 Assyrian 11.8
8 Iranian_Jewish 14.57
9 Kurdish_Jewish 15.99
10 Kumyk 16.18
11 Turkmen 17.09
12 Lebanese_Muslim 17.83
13 Syrian 19.42
14 Georgian 19.55
15 Adygei 19.92
16 Lezgin 20.16
17 Kabardin 21.47
18 Balkar 21.9
19 Cyprian 21.97
20 Ossetian 22.25
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.5% Kurdish + 7.5% Lezgin @ 1.99
2 93.7% Kurdish + 6.3% Chechen @ 2.02
3 92.7% Kurdish + 7.3% Adygei @ 2.03
4 93.9% Kurdish + 6.1% Tabassaran @ 2.09
5 93.8% Kurdish + 6.2% Kabardin @ 2.14
6 94.5% Kurdish + 5.5% North_Ossetian @ 2.17
7 94.2% Kurdish + 5.8% Ossetian @ 2.17
8 93.5% Kurdish + 6.5% Georgian @ 2.18
9 92.4% Kurdish + 7.6% Kumyk @ 2.19
10 94.4% Kurdish + 5.6% Balkar @ 2.21
11 94.7% Kurdish + 5.3% Abhkasian @ 2.24
12 98.6% Kurdish + 1.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.48
13 98.8% Kurdish + 1.2% North_German @ 2.48
14 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.48
15 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.49
16 98.9% Kurdish + 1.1% West_Scottish @ 2.49
17 98.8% Kurdish + 1.2% Estonian_Polish @ 2.49
18 98.9% Kurdish + 1.1% Irish @ 2.49
19 98.9% Kurdish + 1.1% Danish @ 2.49
20 98.8% Kurdish + 1.2% Polish @ 2.49
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.78
2 Gedrosia 27.67
3 Southwest_Asian 13.4
4 North_European 7.08
5 Atlantic_Med 7.04
6 South_Asian 1.93
7 East_African 1.04
8 Northwest_African 0.97
9 East_Asian 0.08
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 2.64
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 2.97
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 3.87
4 Iranians (Behar) 6.07
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.68
6 Turks (Behar) 13.94
7 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.02
8 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 15.48
9 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.65
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 15.68
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.28
12 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 16.47
13 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.17
14 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.37
15 Armenian (Dodecad) 17.49
16 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.14
17 Lebanese (Behar) 19.45
18 Armenians (Behar) 20.73
19 Lezgins (Behar) 21.06
20 Syrians (Behar) 21.39
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3.2% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 1.98
2 97.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.9% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 1.99
3 97% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 2.03
4 96.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3.2% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 2.03
5 97.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.7% Moroccans (Behar) @ 2.04
6 97% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.04
7 97% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.06
8 95.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.1% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.06
9 97.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.7% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 2.07
10 97.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.4% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 2.07
11 97.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.8% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 2.07
12 97.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 2.08
13 97.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.4% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 2.08
14 97.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.4% Muslim (Metspalu) @ 2.08
15 97.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.1% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 2.08
16 97.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.3% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 2.09
17 97.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.6% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 2.09
18 97.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.5% Tharus (Metspalu) @ 2.09
19 97.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.2% Kol (Metspalu) @ 2.09
20 97.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.2% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 2.09
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.23
2 Baloch 26.76
3 SW-Asian 14.1
4 NE-Euro 6.69
5 Mediterranean 6.6
6 S-Indian 2.43
7 E-African 0.81
8 San 0.26
9 Pygmy 0.11
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (harappa) 3.21
2 kurd (yunusbayev) 3.63
3 kurd (xing) 3.67
4 iranian (harappa) 4.55
5 iranian (behar) 4.85
6 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 8.18
7 turkish (harappa) 8.85
8 azeri (harappa) 9.37
9 armenian (harappa) 10.01
10 iraqi-arab (harappa) 12.16
11 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 12.53
12 assyrian (harappa) 12.65
13 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 12.92
14 turk (behar) 12.92
15 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 13.54
16 iranian-jew (behar) 13.7
17 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 14.49
18 georgia-jew (behar) 14.91
19 iraq-jew (behar) 15.08
20 armenian (yunusbayev) 15.85
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.1% kurd (xing) + 9.9% romanian-b (behar) @ 1.99
2 94.9% kurd (xing) + 5.1% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.16
3 94.9% kurd (xing) + 5.1% french (hgdp) @ 2.17
4 93.9% kurd (xing) + 6.1% italian (hgdp) @ 2.23
5 95.4% kurd (xing) + 4.6% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.24
6 95.5% kurd (xing) + 4.5% british (1000genomes) @ 2.24
7 95.4% kurd (xing) + 4.6% n-european (xing) @ 2.26
8 95.7% kurd (xing) + 4.3% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.27
9 95.9% kurd (xing) + 4.1% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.28
10 96% kurd (xing) + 4% basque (hgdp) @ 2.29
11 93.3% kurd (xing) + 6.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.3
12 92.8% kurd (xing) + 7.2% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.31
13 94.9% kurd (xing) + 5.1% hungarian (behar) @ 2.33
14 95% kurd (xing) + 5% slovenian (xing) @ 2.35
15 93.3% kurd (xing) + 6.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.37
16 91.1% kurd (xing) + 8.9% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 2.38
17 60.8% kurd (yunusbayev) + 39.2% iranian (behar) @ 2.4
18 90.7% kurd (xing) + 9.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.45
19 95.6% kurd (xing) + 4.4% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 2.51
20 95.9% kurd (yunusbayev) + 4.1% saharawi (henn2012) @ 2.55
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This Kurd from Duhok is a practically unmixed West Iranic
Kit JG8604026
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.61
2 East_Med 28.78
3 South_Asian 8.02
4 West_Med 6.58
5 Red_Sea 5.96
6 North_Atlantic 5.12
7 Baltic 4.42
8 Northeast_African 0.52
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 2.19
2 Iranian 5.35
3 Azeri 6.44
4 Armenian 9.72
5 Georgian_Jewish 10.69
6 Turkish 11.45
7 Kumyk 13.44
8 Georgian 13.58
9 Assyrian 13.65
10 Adygei 15.12
11 Abhkasian 15.21
12 Iranian_Jewish 15.98
13 Kurdish_Jewish 16.53
14 Ossetian 17.07
15 Balkar 17.33
16 Turkmen 17.67
17 North_Ossetian 17.88
18 Kabardin 18.31
19 Lezgin 18.7
20 Chechen 19.06
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% Kurdish + 2.3% Irish @ 1.71
2 97.6% Kurdish + 2.4% North_German @ 1.72
3 97.7% Kurdish + 2.3% North_Dutch @ 1.72
4 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% West_Scottish @ 1.73
5 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% Norwegian @ 1.73
6 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% Southwest_English @ 1.73
7 97.7% Kurdish + 2.3% Danish @ 1.73
8 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% Swedish @ 1.74
9 94.1% Kurdish + 5.9% Tabassaran @ 1.75
10 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% Orcadian @ 1.75
11 97.8% Kurdish + 2.2% Southeast_English @ 1.75
12 97.5% Kurdish + 2.5% Austrian @ 1.77
13 97.6% Kurdish + 2.4% East_German @ 1.77
14 97.6% Kurdish + 2.4% South_Dutch @ 1.77
15 97.6% Kurdish + 2.4% West_German @ 1.78
16 93.7% Kurdish + 6.3% Lezgin @ 1.79
17 98% Kurdish + 2% North_Swedish @ 1.8
18 93.9% Kurdish + 6.1% Chechen @ 1.81
19 97.6% Kurdish + 2.4% French @ 1.82
20 97.9% Kurdish + 2.1% Polish @ 1.82
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.04
2 East_Med 31.22
3 South_Asian 7.97
4 Eastern_Euro 7.08
5 Red_Sea 5.69
6 Atlantic 4.95
7 West_Med 2.27
8 Baltic 2.25
9 North_Sea 2.07
10 Northeast_African 0.48
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 2.56
2 Iranian 4.81
3 Azeri 5.82
4 Georgian_Jewish 9.11
5 Armenian 9.58
6 Turkish 10.04
7 Assyrian 11.8
8 Iranian_Jewish 14.57
9 Kurdish_Jewish 15.99
10 Kumyk 16.18
11 Turkmen 17.09
12 Lebanese_Muslim 17.83
13 Syrian 19.42
14 Georgian 19.55
15 Adygei 19.92
16 Lezgin 20.16
17 Kabardin 21.47
18 Balkar 21.9
19 Cyprian 21.97
20 Ossetian 22.25
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.5% Kurdish + 7.5% Lezgin @ 1.99
2 93.7% Kurdish + 6.3% Chechen @ 2.02
3 92.7% Kurdish + 7.3% Adygei @ 2.03
4 93.9% Kurdish + 6.1% Tabassaran @ 2.09
5 93.8% Kurdish + 6.2% Kabardin @ 2.14
6 94.5% Kurdish + 5.5% North_Ossetian @ 2.17
7 94.2% Kurdish + 5.8% Ossetian @ 2.17
8 93.5% Kurdish + 6.5% Georgian @ 2.18
9 92.4% Kurdish + 7.6% Kumyk @ 2.19
10 94.4% Kurdish + 5.6% Balkar @ 2.21
11 94.7% Kurdish + 5.3% Abhkasian @ 2.24
12 98.6% Kurdish + 1.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.48
13 98.8% Kurdish + 1.2% North_German @ 2.48
14 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.48
15 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.49
16 98.9% Kurdish + 1.1% West_Scottish @ 2.49
17 98.8% Kurdish + 1.2% Estonian_Polish @ 2.49
18 98.9% Kurdish + 1.1% Irish @ 2.49
19 98.9% Kurdish + 1.1% Danish @ 2.49
20 98.8% Kurdish + 1.2% Polish @ 2.49
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.78
2 Gedrosia 27.67
3 Southwest_Asian 13.4
4 North_European 7.08
5 Atlantic_Med 7.04
6 South_Asian 1.93
7 East_African 1.04
8 Northwest_African 0.97
9 East_Asian 0.08
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 2.64
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 2.97
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 3.87
4 Iranians (Behar) 6.07
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.68
6 Turks (Behar) 13.94
7 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.02
8 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 15.48
9 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.65
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 15.68
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.28
12 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 16.47
13 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.17
14 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.37
15 Armenian (Dodecad) 17.49
16 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.14
17 Lebanese (Behar) 19.45
18 Armenians (Behar) 20.73
19 Lezgins (Behar) 21.06
20 Syrians (Behar) 21.39
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3.2% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 1.98
2 97.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.9% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 1.99
3 97% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 2.03
4 96.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3.2% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 2.03
5 97.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.7% Moroccans (Behar) @ 2.04
6 97% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.04
7 97% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.06
8 95.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 4.1% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.06
9 97.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.7% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 2.07
10 97.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.4% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 2.07
11 97.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.8% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 2.07
12 97.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 2.08
13 97.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.4% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 2.08
14 97.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.4% Muslim (Metspalu) @ 2.08
15 97.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.1% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 2.08
16 97.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.3% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 2.09
17 97.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.6% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 2.09
18 97.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.5% Tharus (Metspalu) @ 2.09
19 97.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.2% Kol (Metspalu) @ 2.09
20 97.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 2.2% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 2.09
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.23
2 Baloch 26.76
3 SW-Asian 14.1
4 NE-Euro 6.69
5 Mediterranean 6.6
6 S-Indian 2.43
7 E-African 0.81
8 San 0.26
9 Pygmy 0.11
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (harappa) 3.21
2 kurd (yunusbayev) 3.63
3 kurd (xing) 3.67
4 iranian (harappa) 4.55
5 iranian (behar) 4.85
6 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 8.18
7 turkish (harappa) 8.85
8 azeri (harappa) 9.37
9 armenian (harappa) 10.01
10 iraqi-arab (harappa) 12.16
11 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 12.53
12 assyrian (harappa) 12.65
13 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 12.92
14 turk (behar) 12.92
15 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 13.54
16 iranian-jew (behar) 13.7
17 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 14.49
18 georgia-jew (behar) 14.91
19 iraq-jew (behar) 15.08
20 armenian (yunusbayev) 15.85
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.1% kurd (xing) + 9.9% romanian-b (behar) @ 1.99
2 94.9% kurd (xing) + 5.1% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.16
3 94.9% kurd (xing) + 5.1% french (hgdp) @ 2.17
4 93.9% kurd (xing) + 6.1% italian (hgdp) @ 2.23
5 95.4% kurd (xing) + 4.6% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.24
6 95.5% kurd (xing) + 4.5% british (1000genomes) @ 2.24
7 95.4% kurd (xing) + 4.6% n-european (xing) @ 2.26
8 95.7% kurd (xing) + 4.3% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.27
9 95.9% kurd (xing) + 4.1% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.28
10 96% kurd (xing) + 4% basque (hgdp) @ 2.29
11 93.3% kurd (xing) + 6.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.3
12 92.8% kurd (xing) + 7.2% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.31
13 94.9% kurd (xing) + 5.1% hungarian (behar) @ 2.33
14 95% kurd (xing) + 5% slovenian (xing) @ 2.35
15 93.3% kurd (xing) + 6.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.37
16 91.1% kurd (xing) + 8.9% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 2.38
17 60.8% kurd (yunusbayev) + 39.2% iranian (behar) @ 2.4
18 90.7% kurd (xing) + 9.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.45
19 95.6% kurd (xing) + 4.4% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 2.51
20 95.9% kurd (yunusbayev) + 4.1% saharawi (henn2012) @ 2.55
Simply unmixed Kurd. If others Kurds from Iraq in Dodecad are with large Arabic share?
Lucas
01-21-2020, 10:16 AM
Worth to remind that all those samples were collected by one person (author of this project). He bought those tests in FTDNA.
Seems unbelievable but it's true. I emailed with him some time ago.
Consider fact there is no other MENA country with such big number of kits (especially regionaly divided). Even from rich Gulf States.
Adamm
01-21-2020, 10:37 AM
Worth to remind that all those samples were collected by one person (author of this project). He bought those tests in FTDNA.
Seems unbelievable but it's true. I emailed with him some time ago.
Consider fact there is no other MENA country with such big number of kits (especially regionaly divided). Even from rich Gulf States.
He must be a rich man.
Nomansman
01-21-2020, 11:35 AM
Damn, nigga gots lots of iraqi samples.
WIshed i got many afghan samples from herat and badakshan : (
Nomansman
01-21-2020, 04:32 PM
ANyway, looked through all the samples. Im a bit suprised(not much) that some of the iraqi samples can get up to as much aasi as east iranians or tajikstanis, while rest get as much as west iranians. Some of the samples even seems to be closer to east iranians than other iraqis:
Most african iraqi yet:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SW-Asian 28.23
2 Caucasian 21.12
3 E-African 13.64
4 W-African 10.62
5 Baloch 8.46
6 Mediterranean 6.3
7 S-Indian 5.8
8 SE-Asian 2.23
9 Pygmy 1.84
10 NE-Euro 0.85
11 San 0.55
12 Beringian 0.23
13 Papuan 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 yemenese (behar) 10.78
2 egyptian (behar) 14.52
3 egypt (henn2012) 15.86
4 jordanian (behar) 21.14
5 palestinian (hgdp) 21.7
6 palestinian (harappa) 23.78
7 syrian (behar) 23.79
8 iraqi-arab (harappa) 24.13
9 lebanese (behar) 24.7
10 libya (henn2012) 25.05
11 qatari (henn2012) 26.89
12 lebanese-muslim (haber) 27.68
13 bedouin (hgdp) 28.8
14 morocco-jew (behar) 29.3
15 yemen-jew (behar) 29.55
16 samaritian (behar) 30.36
17 sephardic-jew (behar) 30.63
18 iranian (behar) 30.96
19 lebanese-christian (haber) 31.06
20 lebanese-druze (haber) 31.52
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.4% yemenese (behar) + 12.6% bulala (henn2012) @ 6.09
2 84% yemenese (behar) + 16% sandawe (henn2011) @ 6.18
3 84.5% yemenese (behar) + 15.5% hema (xing) @ 6.19
4 86.6% yemenese (behar) + 13.4% hadza (henn2011) @ 6.43
5 86.6% yemenese (behar) + 13.4% alur (xing) @ 6.5
6 89.9% yemenese (behar) + 10.1% sudanese (pagani) @ 6.57
7 90.1% yemenese (behar) + 9.9% anuak (pagani) @ 6.65
8 88.2% yemenese (behar) + 11.8% maasai (1000genomes) @ 7.02
9 91.4% yemenese (behar) + 8.6% gumuz (pagani) @ 7.26
10 89.4% yemenese (behar) + 10.6% luhya (1000genomes) @ 7.67
11 90% yemenese (behar) + 10% ariblacksmith (pagani) @ 7.69
12 89.6% yemenese (behar) + 10.4% aricultivator (pagani) @ 7.72
13 87.3% yemenese (behar) + 12.7% siddi (reich) @ 7.81
14 90.2% yemenese (behar) + 9.8% mada (henn2012) @ 7.83
15 89.6% yemenese (behar) + 10.4% bantukenya (hgdp) @ 7.83
16 87.1% yemenese (behar) + 12.9% somali (reich) @ 7.91
17 87.9% yemenese (behar) + 12.1% wolayta (pagani) @ 8.13
18 88.9% yemenese (behar) + 11.1% great-andamanese (reich) @ 8.36
19 88.5% yemenese (behar) + 11.5% esomali (pagani) @ 8.36
20 89.7% yemenese (behar) + 10.3% onge (reich) @ 8.37
Most east iranian leaning kurd:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.18
2 Baloch 27.18
3 SW-Asian 12.85
4 Mediterranean 7.9
5 S-Indian 7.19
6 NE-Euro 6.08
7 Beringian 0.67
8 American 0.67
9 Siberian 0.64
10 Papuan 0.57
11 Pygmy 0.48
12 San 0.4
13 W-African 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 iranian (behar) 6.05
2 iranian (harappa) 6.84
3 kurd (harappa) 7.04
4 kurd (xing) 10.42
5 kurd (yunusbayev) 10.66
6 turkish (harappa) 11.85
7 iraqi-arab (harappa) 12.8
8 azeri (harappa) 13.18
9 turkmen (yunusbayev) 13.5
10 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 13.65
11 armenian (harappa) 14.22
12 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 16.23
13 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 16.55
14 turk (behar) 16.67
15 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 17.52
16 palestinian (harappa) 18.31
17 assyrian (harappa) 18.66
18 iranian-jew (behar) 19.02
19 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 19.49
20 stalskoe (xing) 19.5
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.2% kurd (harappa) + 15.8% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 2.83
2 87.4% kurd (harappa) + 12.6% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 2.89
3 84.1% kurd (harappa) + 15.9% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.9
4 86.9% kurd (harappa) + 13.1% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.92
5 87.8% kurd (harappa) + 12.2% vaish (reich) @ 2.92
6 71.8% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 28.2% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.93
7 71.5% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 28.5% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.98
8 86.3% kurd (harappa) + 13.7% nepalese-a (xing) @ 2.99
9 85.9% kurd (harappa) + 14.1% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 3
10 88% kurd (harappa) + 12% up-kshatriya (metspalu) @ 3.02
11 68.6% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 31.4% pathan (hgdp) @ 3.02
12 87.4% kurd (harappa) + 12.6% bengali-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.03
13 84.8% kurd (harappa) + 15.2% up-muslim (harappa) @ 3.03
14 85.6% kurd (harappa) + 14.4% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) @ 3.04
15 87.9% kurd (harappa) + 12.1% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 3.07
16 70.7% armenian (harappa) + 29.3% bhatia (harappa) @ 3.09
17 85.6% kurd (harappa) + 14.4% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 3.11
18 85.5% kurd (harappa) + 14.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.12
19 81.2% iranian (behar) + 18.8% romanian-b (behar) @ 3.13
20 85% kurd (harappa) + 15% punjabi (harappa) @ 3.15
Most aasi shifted iraqi(guess he has gypsie ancestors):
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.91
2 SW-Asian 20.6
3 Baloch 16.83
4 S-Indian 11
5 Mediterranean 8.71
6 NE-Euro 1.68
7 E-African 1.42
8 Siberian 0.94
9 SE-Asian 0.67
10 W-African 0.23
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 iraqi-arab (harappa) 7.18
2 palestinian (harappa) 10.77
3 syrian (behar) 11.09
4 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 12.32
5 lebanese (behar) 12.65
6 armenian (harappa) 12.85
7 lebanese-muslim (haber) 12.86
8 iranian (behar) 13.41
9 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 13.46
10 kurd (harappa) 13.61
11 turkish (harappa) 13.93
12 iraq-jew (behar) 13.97
13 iranian-jew (behar) 14.53
14 jordanian (behar) 14.58
15 iranian (harappa) 15.46
16 lebanese-druze (haber) 15.49
17 lebanese-christian (haber) 15.89
18 georgia-jew (behar) 16.07
19 assyrian (harappa) 16.13
20 azeri (harappa) 16.2
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.9% samaritian (behar) + 32.1% kashmiri-pandit (reich) @ 2.42
2 66% samaritian (behar) + 34% kashmiri (harappa) @ 2.57
3 73.7% syrian (behar) + 26.3% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 2.75
4 68% samaritian (behar) + 32% punjabi (harappa) @ 2.88
5 66.9% samaritian (behar) + 33.1% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 2.88
6 66.3% samaritian (behar) + 33.7% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 2.88
7 65.9% samaritian (behar) + 34.1% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 2.88
8 69.1% samaritian (behar) + 30.9% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 2.89
9 68.9% samaritian (behar) + 31.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.93
10 66.1% samaritian (behar) + 33.9% sindhi (harappa) @ 2.96
11 68.9% samaritian (behar) + 31.1% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 2.96
12 69.6% samaritian (behar) + 30.4% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 3.02
13 69.1% samaritian (behar) + 30.9% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) @ 3.07
14 91.9% iraqi-arab (harappa) + 8.1% irula (xing) @ 3.11
15 77% lebanese-christian (haber) + 23% iyengar-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.22
16 74.5% palestinian (harappa) + 25.5% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 3.23
17 77.2% lebanese-christian (haber) + 22.8% kerala-nair (harappa) @ 3.23
18 84.5% syrian (behar) + 15.5% velama (reich) @ 3.29
19 76.6% lebanese-christian (haber) + 23.4% meghawal (reich) @ 3.3
20 92.1% iraqi-arab (harappa) + 7.9% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 3.31
Rest just look like a mix of levantines, iraqi arabs, kurds and some arabians
Halgurd
07-31-2020, 12:34 PM
Bump
The most recent list. It's huge
Email: IRAQPROJECT10@GMAIL.COM
Kit Number: M125350
Name: Hussain Mukhtar (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T017321
Name: L Al Hussaini (IQ)
Kit Number: T446850
Name: Nasser Rai El Balha (IQ)
Kit Number: T704083
Name: W.Al Jaff (IQ)
Kit Number: T505870
Name: M Katib (IQ)
Kit Number: T682684
Name: Shalchi (IQ)
Kit Number: T769624
Name: Danny Einy (IQ)
Kit Number: T809514
Name: Ghali Elani (IQ)
Kit Number: T595950
Name: *Sh.Rahamim-IQJ
Kit Number: T552053
Name: Atoraya (IQ)
Kit Number: T641398
Name: Al Hazzani (KSA)
Kit Number: T063844
Name: Moshe Mizrahi (IQ)
Kit Number: T556942
Name: A Alzayyadi (IQ)
Kit Number: T825759
Name: *H Lapcha (IQ)
Kit Number: T545905
Name: Heskil Shamash (IQJ)
Kit Number: T631740
Name: Ron Dekel Nahum (IQJ)
Kit Number: T857736
Name: *S.Yazeedi (IQ)
Kit Number: T189139
Name: Nizar Alsalem (KSA)
Kit Number: T491493
Name: *H.Kashani (IQ)
Kit Number: T900616
Name: *m.khoja (Kochi-india)
Kit Number: T689466
Name: M.Taqi-Baghdad (IQ)
Kit Number: T301557
Name: Mawali Al Mushashi-Basra (IQ)
Kit Number: A529564
Name: Y.Kanna (IQ)
Kit Number: M343176
Name: A Anizy (IQ)
Kit Number: T657718
Name: *N.Shorees Tellisqif (IQ)
Kit Number: T261671
Name: zahra.Baghdad (IQ)
Kit Number: T524191
Name: R.Al Awadhi (IR.UAE)
Kit Number: Z235547
Name: Ha. Zangana (IQ)
Kit Number: M809827
Name: Ammar Alani (IQ)
Kit Number: Z243290
Name: K.Alsubaie (KSA)
Kit Number: Z577020
Name: Mz. Almsodani (IQ)
Kit Number: Z506701
Name: Al Hubain - Alani (IQ)
Kit Number: Z280729
Name: Albunasir Tikrit (IQ)
Kit Number: Z254095
Name: Al Refaie-Mandali (IQ)
Kit Number: Z592676
Name: Al Zubaidi AlKut (IQ)
Kit Number: A565565
Name: Suz Alshabandar (IQ)
Kit Number: T304878
Name: David Nahum Amara (IQ)
Kit Number: T122968
Name: Tawar Aljaff Hawramani (IQ)
Kit Number: T279726
Name: Ana Albajari (IQ)
Kit Number: T394555
Name: Ninawa Zaya (IQ)
Kit Number: A950813
Name: Yasser Astarabadi (IQ)
Kit Number: T388787
Name: Najah Al Bahrani (IQ)
Kit Number: T323109
Name: Basam Yousif Chaldean (IQ)
Kit Number: T125113
Name: A Alsabie (IQ)
Kit Number: T698975
Name: A. Alkuhaili (IQ)
Kit Number: T283701
Name: A.Albu Saleh (IQ)
Kit Number: T270288
Name: Luay Toma Chaldean (IQ)
Kit Number: T654933
Name: Khalid Alflaj (KSA)
Kit Number: T654123
Name: Sami Dallal (IQJ)
Kit Number: T739572
Name: Shahad Alimara (IQ)
Kit Number: T537005
Name: Ali Zaki Alajwad (IQ)
Kit Number: T279585
Name: Aiden Josph (IQ)
Kit Number: T292135
Name: Mustafa Slie (IQT)
Kit Number: T134777
Name: Ahmad Al Nasiri (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T082914
Name: abo ahmad (KSA)
Kit Number: T237632
Name: S. Shabaki (IQ)
Kit Number: T079968
Name: Mohamed Al Asadi (IQ-CH)
Kit Number: T726371
Name: Oqab Al Asadi (IQ-CH)
Kit Number: T441318
Name: Maher Abulhail (IQ-CH)
Kit Number: T787355
Name: Yousef Aqiqi (IQ)
Kit Number: T870930
Name: Saif Alkhamisi (IQ)
Kit Number: T226126
Name: Saleh Ali Alshahbandar ????????? (IQ)
Kit Number: M653279
Name: Muthana Juma Amara (IQ)
Kit Number: T184313
Name: Ghaith Sheikhli (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T100856
Name: Melad Shaia Deesha (IQ-Chld)
Kit Number: T388981
Name: Martin Jajjo Bartilla (IQ-SYC)
Kit Number: T984748
Name: M Alkhazraji (IQ)
Kit Number: T021141
Name: Sama Mahmood Allami (IQ)
Kit Number: T895098
Name: Matti Abdullah Syriac (IQ)
Kit Number: T298422
Name: Aiden Al Bayati (IQ-Alkut)
Kit Number: A430262
Name: Amin Wafer (MSL-IQ)
Kit Number: A687218
Name: Dalaf.B.Farhan Altaie (IQ)
Kit Number: T755804
Name: Ali Al Azzawi (IQ)
Kit Number: T612970
Name: Mohamed Ali Bayati (IQ)
Kit Number: T434755
Name: Abd Almryan (IQ-DQ)
Kit Number: T351585
Name: M Almishrifawi (IQ-ah)
Kit Number: T788652
Name: Ali Fadhil Alzubidi (IQ-bgd)
Kit Number: T961900
Name: Y Almislih Altamimi (IQ-Bsr)
Kit Number: T075264
Name: Qasim Aljaberi (IQ)
Kit Number: T653452
Name: Ahmad Nima Alhasnawi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T340681
Name: Nawaf Alasadi (IQ)
Kit Number: T176788
Name: Yahya Alzehiri (IQ-Mandaean)
Kit Number: T794151
Name: Jasem Al-Asadi (IQ-Chb)
Kit Number: T653044
Name: Sam Sofya (IQ-Mosul)
Kit Number: T418664
Name: Hoshiar Kakie (IQ)
Kit Number: T924587
Name: Rusly Almaliki (IQ)
Kit Number: T863252
Name: Muhanad Haddad Khaldi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T868626
Name: Firas Alnashee (IQ)
Kit Number: T573279
Name: Shereen Munthir Alabbasi (IQ-Diyala)
Kit Number: T416794
Name: Kameel Alkahachi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T263818
Name: Sinan Saeed Jaff (IQ-Kurd)
Kit Number: T092151
Name: Haidar Karam Aldulaimi (IQ-Kut)
Kit Number: T260921
Name: Mushriq Al attar (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T788621
Name: Dunya Tariq Altaha (IQ-Babylon)
Kit Number: T756023
Name: Ali Agha Aljaberi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T001564
Name: Baraa Alhasan (IQ-NJF)
Kit Number: T621244
Name: Raad Almaliki (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T669610
Name: Bilal Almosawi (IQ-Dhi Qar)
Kit Number: T843340
Name: Marah AlTemimi (IQ-Diyala)
Kit Number: T971749
Name: Mohamed Alaraji (IQ-Karbala)
Kit Number: T490689
Name: Jasim Tiba (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: A533769
Name: Rawa Sahib Fatlawi (IQ-Twairij-Hilla)
Kit Number: T350477
Name: Hasan Alshami (IQ-Karbala)
Kit Number: T862034
Name: Qaragul (IQ-Avu Ghraib)
Kit Number: T049742
Name: Emad Malikshahi (IQ-Alkut)
Kit Number: T645415
Name: Nikolay Faza (IQ-Palestine)
Kit Number: T644104
Name: Mustafa Alsa3idi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T600896
Name: Jack Bahjat Bamirni (IQ-Duhok)
Kit Number: T432520
Name: Rafid Aldaami (IQ-Karbala)
Kit Number: T233828
Name: M kamal Alsaffar (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: A884254
Name: Maha Kareem (IQ)
Kit Number: T762886
Name: Z. Shabana (IQ-Diwaniya)
Kit Number: T160231
Name: Mohamed Aljorani (IQ)
Kit Number: T011221
Name: Ammar Alazawi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T749254
Name: Tariq Aln3imi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T476435
Name: Al Habbar (IQ-Mosul)
Kit Number: T520577
Name: Mahmood Alrefaie (IQ-Tikrit)
Kit Number: T050344
Name: Dhafer Mizrahi (IQJ)
Kit Number: T663867
Name: Sabah Ravo (IQ-YZD)
Kit Number: T727122
Name: Ahmad Alsamarie (IQ-Samara)
Kit Number: T064595
Name: Mehmet Yashar Aga (IQ-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: T665706
Name: Hanan Albadri (IQ-Dhi Qar)
Kit Number: T395401
Name: Oras Sheeto (IQ-Syriac)
Kit Number: T247947
Name: Hadeel Aziz (IQ-Q8)
Kit Number: T712339
Name: Ali Shaibany (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T068429
Name: Saad R Aljuburi (IQ)
Kit Number: T210615
Name: Suhaib Alazzawi (IQ-Diyala)
Kit Number: T505859
Name: Ahmad Abdulrasol Alasadi (IQ-CH)
Kit Number: T129319
Name: H. Shaba (IQ-Chaldean)
Kit Number: T663437
Name: Sufyan Yazeedi Sheikh (IQ-YZD)
Kit Number: T844659
Name: Z Aldargazli (IQ-DHQ)
Kit Number: T401001
Name: Mohamed Alqadifchi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T659067
Name: A. Jabbar Albadri (IQ-DQ)
Kit Number: T850233
Name: W Bawa Kakie (IQ Kirkuk)
Kit Number: T282422
Name: Hakkar Alfati (IQ-YZD)
Kit Number: T454942
Name: Ali Aldarraji (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T511290
Name: M Alkubaisi (IQ-Karbala)
Kit Number: T712507
Name: A Jarjari Sadoon (IQ-Nineveh)
Kit Number: T010015
Name: Saif M Altaie (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T697292
Name: Amira A Alsunbuli (IQ-NJF)
Kit Number: T658084
Name: Ali Alabbasi (IQ-NJF)
Kit Number: T814145
Name: D. Alzubaidi (IQ-KUT)
Kit Number: T872144
Name: Ahmad Masharchi (IQ-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: T338116
Name: Saman Aqrawi (IQ-Akre)
Kit Number: T792318
Name: Furqan Fakhraldeen (IQ-NJF)
Kit Number: T309574
Name: Mo Albaroodi (IQ-Mosul)
Kit Number: T156652
Name: Ra Albani (IQ-MRC)
Kit Number: T448890
Name: A Nima Almosawi (IQ-Karbala)
Kit Number: T444471
Name: Zahra Alshweikh (IQ-Babylon)
Kit Number: T303467
Name: Muhsin Masharchi (IQ-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: T010017
Name: M Salim Alsa3idi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T337538
Name: A Almufidi alanbari Altamimi (IQ-Basra)
Kit Number: T013364
Name: A Alfuraiji (IQ-Mandaean)
Kit Number: T342863
Name: M Zuhair Alnuaimi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T561913
Name: Mustafa Masharchi (IQ-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: T126997
Name: Aso Baban (IQ-Erbil)
Kit Number: T214643
Name: A Ammori Alkalash (IQ-Karbala)
Kit Number: T748630
Name: Hasanin Jaber (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T178081
Name: Ahmad Alqatrani (IQ-Basra)
Kit Number: T821089
Name: Farah Altahan (IQ-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: T443712
Name: M Luay Albaghdadi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T573188
Name: Muj Waisi (IQ-Diyala)
Kit Number: T624541
Name: Haidar Albahdli (IQ-?)
Kit Number: T642274
Name: Lab Alabadi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T851205
Name: Wakas Alrawi (IQ-Anbar)
Kit Number: T451992
Name: Amjad Altahan (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T855316
Name: Falah Akram Al bayati (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: T523316
Name: W Hindal (Q8-IQ)
Kit Number: T763894
Name: Abdullah Albadri (IQ-Dhi Qar)
Kit Number: T413957
Name: M hadawi Khazraj (IQ-Babylon)
Kit Number: T557288
Name: H Alnafakh (IQ-NJF)
Kit Number: T081122
Name: Mustafa K Baban (IQ-Sulimani)
Kit Number: T675317
Name: Omar Meriwani (IQ-Kurd)
Kit Number: T268174
Name: Hanan Algharawi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: T208195
Name: Ban Shammari (IQ)
Kit Number: T394727
Name: Fahad Zangana (IQ-Kurd)
Kit Number: T560928
Name: Bader Alazmi (Kuwait)
Kit Number: T217752
Name: Hussain Riyadh Alsaeedi (IQ-Nasiriya)
Kit Number: T654003
Name: Ali Alsafy (IQ-Nasiriyah)
Kit Number: T644616
Name: Mustafa Hilmi Obaidi (IQ-Mosul)
Kit Number: A247507
Name: Issa Qatarneh (Jordan-Bedouins)
Kit Number: T404221
Name: Nasser Ahmad Bou (UAE-Dubai)
Kit Number: T482212
Name: Al Hariqi (KSA)
Kit Number: T395720
Name: A Alkasmi (IQ-Tikrit)
Kit Number: T893005
Name: Thair Ozan Yousif (IQ-Syriac Mosul)
Kit Number: T420801
Name: M Albadran (IQ-Mosul)
Kit Number: T440399
Name: S Almehsin (IQ-Samawa)
Kit Number: T578335
Name: Aysar Huchimi (IQ-Samawa)
Kit Number: T831145
Name: Oz Ezra Habba (IQJ-Baghdad)
Kit Number: T876447
Name: Yossi Yakob Naqar (IQJ-Babylon)
Kit Number: T537904
Name: Adil Aljuboori (IQ-Shirqat)
Kit Number: T309422
Name: Khidir Basson (IQJ-Baghdad)
Kit Number: T622671
Name: David Sayigh Zarour (IQJ-Baghdad-Tunisia)
Kit Number: A122102
Name: Moysar Alaie (IQ-Mosul)
Kit Number: T662472
Name: Joe Timman (IQJ-Baghdad)
Kit Number: BT6925288
Name: Pola Zandi (IQ-Kurd-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: LS2201715
Name: Ishaq Kakony (IQ-Chaldean-Shaqlawa)
Kit Number: T036963
Name: Saad Albudiri (IQ-Diwaniya)
Kit Number: QA8099510
Name: Rayyan L Haddad (IQ-Chaldean-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: YP6920342
Name: Gilgamish N. Qarrali (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: NG1910995
Name: Helen Hiskil (IQ-Chaldean-Amadiya)
Kit Number: TJ8534449
Name: Helen Sayyid Kakaie (IQ-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: LK8290811
Name: habib H Nabati (IQ-Chaldean-Erbil)
Kit Number: AL4433342
Name: Adiz Arol (IQ-Turkmen-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: FE7646964
Name: Hussain Alhamid (IQ-Dhi Qar)
Kit Number: RR2031585
Name: Joseph Timman 2(IQJ-BGD)
Kit Number: FS9224685
Name: Tuma Alhirishawi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: BJ4637261
Name: J Albanna (IQ-Turkmen-Erbil)
Kit Number: PX1086562
Name: Haidar Alrammahi (IQ-Najaf)
Kit Number: CW1538020
Name: Harith Shaibani (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: TE4017475
Name: Ahm Aljadiri-Shuwaili (IQ-Kurd-F-Dhi qar)
Kit Number: LC5292832
Name: Sargon shazo (IQ-ASY-Nineveh)
Kit Number: AQ3652639
Name: Dildar Shamsani (IQ-Yazeedi-Bozan)
Kit Number: RL8251466
Name: Ayoub Minas Makinaci (IQ-Chaldean-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: NC1059951
Name: Rahman Soramiri (IQ-Kurd-Diyala)
Kit Number: ZU4992369
Name: Samir Alkhudiri (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: QM9978957
Name: Mohamed Aldabbagh (IQ-Turkmen-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: KV6654436
Name: Mustafa Alsada (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: XL4297068
Name: Safa Raad (IQ-Basra)
Kit Number: QD1738933
Name: Mohamed Masalha Altimimi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: WU4585652
Name: Yosif H Alkhalifa (IQ-Turkmen-Diyala)
Kit Number: EA6131090
Name: Marwan Alqazzan Alani (IQ-Anbar)
Kit Number: PA6929393
Name: Hasna F Alobaidi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: YC8360612
Name: Hadeel M. Alkaabi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: HW3773247
Name: Ali Abdulrahman Almaliki (IQ-Basra/Maysan)
Kit Number: NX7943594
Name: Basil Alrawi (IQ-Basra)
Kit Number: UG7682138
Name: Hamid Alkatali (IQ-Basra)
Kit Number: HU3306782
Name: Mo Fadil Alrifai (IQ-Basra)
Kit Number: GU8323578
Name: Ali Alrifaie (IQ-Basra)
Kit Number: XU7086328
Name: Mohamed M Alrifaie (IQ-Basra)
Kit Number: UK3066772
Name: BD Alani (IQ-Anbar)
Kit Number: CB9771145
Name: Yasser Jalal (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: RY3976681
Name: Omar Alkhashab (IQ-Mosul)
Kit Number: TV8192147
Name: Raad Alobaidi (IQ-Anbar)
Kit Number: SL8196205
Name: Abdulkareem Aljadiri (IQ-Fayli-Maysan)
Kit Number: HA5550362
Name: Yasir R Alsabagh (IQ-Tikrit)
Kit Number: NR5352908
Name: Jasmine Atallah (IQ-Dhi Qar)
Kit Number: TL3482119
Name: ZAH (IQ-Alani-Twin)
Kit Number: AD1843653
Name: RAB (IQ-Alani-Twin)
Kit Number: KB1470982
Name: Ahmad Abogilal (IQ-NJF)
Kit Number: NY5742045
Name: Salih Minfi (IQ-Nineveh-GYP)
Kit Number: NQ3058301
Name: Alaa Anees Shami (IQ)
Kit Number: QB9015541
Name: M Yaquti (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: GS6461317
Name: Bajamal Hadramout (Yemen)
Kit Number: RW3242577
Name: Saleh a alnawab (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: LU6043030
Name: Joba aljaradi (Yemen-Jibn-Dhali3)
Kit Number: NK2387650
Name: alsalahi (Yemen-Yafi3)
Kit Number: AM6270913
Name: A Khawalan Wasab (Yemen)
Kit Number: DX8753489
Name: Bazaraa Kindi (Yemen-Hadhrmout)
Kit Number: ZR3738018
Name: Baoum Kindi (Yemen-Hadhrmout)
Kit Number: JG8716266
Name: Hashid Alkhirba mi7wit (Yemen-Al Mi7wit)
Kit Number: NK8429276
Name: Alqamran (Yemen-Hadhramout)
Kit Number: PQ7138627
Name: Albas (Yemen-S)
Kit Number: SN3558466
Name: Bayazeed wadi 3amd (Yemen-Hadhramout)
Kit Number: JA9471024
Name: Zahra Alhalfi (IQ-BGD-Basra)
Kit Number: ZG9932018
Name: Hamdawi Alwan (IQ-Nineveh-GYP)
Kit Number: SL8484006
Name: Mohamed Aldi3is Al Lihibi (IQ-Dhulu3iya-Salahdin)
Kit Number: BH1827360
Name: Edwin Shuker (IQJ-BGD)
Kit Number: JP3069454
Name: Ahmad Albadri (IQ-DHQ)
Kit Number: AV5586717
Name: Abdulaziz Hatra Alhadidi (IQ-Nineveh)
Kit Number: ZZ2339411
Name: Ezra Zelkha (IQJ-Basra)
Kit Number: SK5213037
Name: Wamidh Alqaisi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: KD5267243
Name: Sara Al Agha (IQ-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: ET6786967
Name: Osama Al Adhami (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: ND2144454
Name: Omar Mo Almufraji (IQ-Mosul)
Kit Number: BF2954977
Name: Amir Erbai3 (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: FQ7195580
Name: Hussain Mutar Aljiboori (IQ-BGD-Samawa)
Kit Number: PK8873835
Name: Abdullah Almufraji (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: KT5044083
Name: Gorgis Marbishnaie (IQ-ASY-Duhok)
Kit Number: NH7640165
Name: Haidar Abd Allami (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: XZ2877608
Name: Mustafa Jaberi Musawi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: AM8577187
Name: Laith Al Talib Taie (IQ-Mosul)
Kit Number: SD8851808
Name: Laith Sami Almosawi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: AQ6249762
Name: Mustafa Alhammash (IQ-NJF-Mishkhab)
Kit Number: WU7119446
Name: Anmar Sasoon (IQJ-Anbar-Heet)
Kit Number: ZS3062748
Name: Salam Altamimi (IQ-Diyala)
Kit Number: AN3414908
Name: Mohannad Yasin Shiravani (IQK-T-Erbil)
Kit Number: DN6978906
Name: Ali (IQ-Diwaniya-GYP)
Kit Number: KL6957038
Name: Mohemn (IQ-Diwaniya-GYP)
Kit Number: EX4370765
Name: Laith Khalil (IQ-Mandaean-Maysan)
Kit Number: UY3733102
Name: Josef Iyad Naji - tbd
Kit Number: CW9795960
Name: Thanaa Albassam (IQ-Fayli-Wasit)
Kit Number: JL8773118
Name: Yousif Alsaboori (IQ-Maysan-Mandaean)
Kit Number: PV8516118
Name: Amir Aljumaily (IQ-Shirqat-Salahudin)
Kit Number: PF4542241
Name: Ahmad Aljaleeli (IQ-Mosul-Nineveh)
Kit Number: JU5805637
Name: Taher Bahoo (IQ-Chaldean-Karamlis)
Kit Number: DM3993980
Name: Ali Nadhim Albayati (IQ-Kifri)
Kit Number: CC2444867
Name: Ayman Albotani (IQ-Chaldean)
Kit Number: LV2569325
Name: Yasser Isaac (IQ-Chaldean-Batnaya)
Kit Number: JG8604026
Name: Ayaz Mamsin (IQ-Kurd-Duhok)
Kit Number: QC9857083
Name: Mehmed Yaqoobi (IQ-Kirkuk)
Kit Number: AE6630009
Name: Ihsan Albahhar (IQ-Nineveh-Shabak)
Kit Number: DF1797307
Name: Ali Musadaq Alradhi (IQ-Wasit-Fayli)
Kit Number: LQ5517220
Name: Jafaar Mamoosi (IQ-Wasit-Fayli)
Kit Number: ED6514192
Name: Aqeel Albassam (IQ-Wasit-Fayli)
Kit Number: FG8994493
Name: Ali Habib Alyasiri (IQ-Wasit)
Kit Number: CB7704690
Name: Laith Tarzian (IQ-Erbil.Mosul-Armenia)
Kit Number: LQ7642001
Name: Muslum Jasharji (IQ-Kirkuk-Turkmen)
Kit Number: LF1233183
Name: Fadi Homa Kakoni (IQ-Chaldean-Shaqlawa)
Kit Number: ED8188684
Name: Fadi Ziyad AlHirmizi (IQ-Kirkuk-Chaldean)
Kit Number: AC5475752
Name: Khalid Aledani (IQ-Maysan-Mandaean)
Kit Number: AD5080680
Name: Basim Alzihiri (IQ-Maysan-Mandaean)
Kit Number: DV7538796
Name: Alaa Shakir Alhamami (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: WW1610338
Name: Yaqob Yaqo Kahfi (IQ-ASY-Duhok)
Kit Number: AU9819979
Name: Akram Almarrani (IQ-Maysan-Mandaean))
Kit Number: PV4684026
Name: Ali Alswaidi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: EW5226019
Name: Rawnak Bahhi (IQ-Mosul-Syriac)
Kit Number: WV3875159
Name: Raid Hameed Albayati (IQ-Wasit)
Kit Number: GS7073800
Name: Allen Mikael (IQ-Erbil-Chaldean)
Kit Number: UC4922768
Name: Zainab Al Ad-hami (IQ-Anbar-BGD)
Kit Number: XM9682013
Name: Hasanin Almujmai (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: RL7320107
Name: Ahmad Omran Aldaffa3i (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: YX6665189
Name: Sarah Karnoos (IQ-Babylon)
Kit Number: RM3250141
Name: Zaid Aljuhishi (IQ-Nineveh)
Kit Number: UN7061738
Name: Aso Zangana (IQ-Kirkuk-Kurd)
Kit Number: RL6778913
Name: Fadi Mazin Bidawid (IQ-Nineveh-Chaldean-Syrc)
Kit Number: MX9043785
Name: Kawa jaff (IQ-Kurd-Sulimani)
Kit Number: QD9082179
Name: Yousif Eshou Al-Gbara (IQ-Nineveh-Chaldean)
Kit Number: YQ2956617
Name: Mustafa Makhzoomi Alkhalidi (IQ-BGD-BSR)
Kit Number: MN9859802
Name: Nawroz H Barzanchi (IQ-Sulimani-Kurd)
Kit Number: TA3807825
Name: Ali Hadi Alnuaimi (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: HP5394985
Name: Sarah H Alhachami (IQ-Dhi Qar-Anbar)
Kit Number: GV7517346
Name: Khalil Ba7iya Altaie (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: NZ6855748
Name: Akram Albitran Alsa3idi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: AN7802706
Name: Anwar Alrubai (IQ-BGD)
Kit Number: CM9110160
Name: Shirawan Sheikhbizini (IQ-Kurd-Taqtaq)
Kit Number: NB2394173
Name: Majid Bakko (IQ-Chaldean-Telkif)
Kit Number: KK1484655
Name: Astifanos Alhadi (IQ-Chaldean-Duhok)
Kit Number: DS7158436
Name: ONeil Tosa (IQ-Chaldean-Nineveh)
Kit Number: RY6020960
Name: Ninos Noel Qillo (IQ-Chaldean-Duhok)
Kit Number: FX6435641
Name: Saad Eshou3 (IQ-Mosul-Chaldean)
Kit Number: UE5993871
Name: Randy Kaka Rash (IQ-Chaldean-Erbil)
Kit Number: YP6712033
Name: Akram Alkalmashi (IQ-maysan-Mandaean)
Kit Number: UK3658047
Name: Bassam Kakka (IQ-Chaldean-Nineveh)
Kit Number: DX9909855
Name: Fadi Khairalla Zulfa (IQ-Chaldean-Nineveh)
Kit Number: NL9505216
Name: Huda Lafta (IQ-DhiQar)
Kit Number: SJ9024732
Name: Mustafa Mohamed Al Musawi (IQ-Maysan)
Kit Number: NL8779051
Name: Hayder Mohamed (IQ-U)
Kit Number: DJ2802628
Name: Jasem Alattar (IQ-Karbala)
Kit Number: JB7214968
Name: Jafaar Karam (IQ-Babylon)
Thanks, I will go through some of these.
Halgurd
07-31-2020, 12:53 PM
Yazidi Kurd T857736
Very typical Kurdish (k13)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.14
2 East_Med 30.42
3 South_Asian 10.07
4 West_Med 6.9
5 Baltic 4.78
6 Red_Sea 3.56
7 North_Atlantic 2.15
8 Siberian 0.95
9 Sub-Saharan 0.65
10 Oceanian 0.24
11 East_Asian 0.09
12 Amerindian 0.04
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 3.45
2 Iranian 4.92
3 Azeri 7.25
4 Armenian 9.85
5 Georgian_Jewish 10.78
6 Turkish 12.32
7 Assyrian 13.31
8 Kumyk 14.87
9 Georgian 15.04
10 Iranian_Jewish 15.55
11 Abhkasian 16
12 Kurdish_Jewish 16.37
13 Adygei 16.58
14 Turkmen 17.48
15 Balkar 18.51
16 Ossetian 18.75
17 North_Ossetian 19.23
18 Kabardin 19.66
19 Lezgin 20.41
20 Chechen 20.76
Halgurd
07-31-2020, 12:57 PM
Erbil Turkmen - very high red sea amount
Kit BJ4637261
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.93
2 West_Asian 30.48
3 Red_Sea 12.53
4 West_Med 7.78
5 South_Asian 7.15
6 Baltic 2.44
7 Northeast_African 1.99
8 Sub-Saharan 1.5
9 Oceanian 1.15
10 North_Atlantic 0.88
11 East_Asian 0.87
12 Siberian 0.3
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian_Jewish 8.78
2 Georgian_Jewish 9.03
3 Assyrian 9.24
4 Kurdish_Jewish 9.28
5 Iranian 10.21
6 Azeri 10.39
7 Syrian 11.05
8 Turkish 11.43
9 Kurdish 11.72
10 Lebanese_Muslim 11.75
11 Armenian 12.17
12 Jordanian 15.08
13 Palestinian 17.04
14 Lebanese_Druze 17.4
15 Lebanese_Christian 17.58
16 Cyprian 17.87
17 Samaritan 18.05
18 Bedouin 18.4
19 Turkmen 21.61
20 Kumyk 21.97
Erbil Turkmen - very high red sea amount
Kit BJ4637261
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.93
2 West_Asian 30.48
3 Red_Sea 12.53
4 West_Med 7.78
5 South_Asian 7.15
6 Baltic 2.44
7 Northeast_African 1.99
8 Sub-Saharan 1.5
9 Oceanian 1.15
10 North_Atlantic 0.88
11 East_Asian 0.87
12 Siberian 0.3
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian_Jewish 8.78
2 Georgian_Jewish 9.03
3 Assyrian 9.24
4 Kurdish_Jewish 9.28
5 Iranian 10.21
6 Azeri 10.39
7 Syrian 11.05
8 Turkish 11.43
9 Kurdish 11.72
10 Lebanese_Muslim 11.75
11 Armenian 12.17
12 Jordanian 15.08
13 Palestinian 17.04
14 Lebanese_Druze 17.4
15 Lebanese_Christian 17.58
16 Cyprian 17.87
17 Samaritan 18.05
18 Bedouin 18.4
19 Turkmen 21.61
20 Kumyk 21.97
He is basically an Arab. More African than East Eurasian. No Turk at all.
Hashoeva
07-31-2020, 01:26 PM
Names dont say a lot about somebody's ethnicity or ancestry. Because there are Arabs with names from Persian origins. You can find that all over middle east because of the many islamic empires of different origins. Middle east is a big melting pot.
Trouble
08-21-2020, 02:23 AM
Not a single one of the Iraqi Arabs is not Iranian shifted.
Chaos One
08-21-2020, 02:50 AM
I see samples, I do One-to-One...and no matches. Heck, only Central Asians in fact.
Lucas
08-21-2020, 07:53 AM
Not a single one of the Iraqi Arabs is not Iranian shifted.
Yes, looking at those samples. And it is not obvious when we think about Mesopotamia (except northern and north-eastern frindges bordering Kurds).
Someone told me that in southern provinces were places of Muslim worship visited often by Persian pilgrims but if it is a case? I doubt. It is more complex and deeper.
I see samples, I do One-to-One...and no matches. Heck, only Central Asians in fact.
Do you actually have legit Uzbek or Tajik matches? Non-academic.
Ion Basescul
08-21-2020, 08:16 AM
Erbil Turkmen - very high red sea amount
Kit BJ4637261
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.93
2 West_Asian 30.48
3 Red_Sea 12.53
4 West_Med 7.78
5 South_Asian 7.15
6 Baltic 2.44
7 Northeast_African 1.99
8 Sub-Saharan 1.5
9 Oceanian 1.15
10 North_Atlantic 0.88
11 East_Asian 0.87
12 Siberian 0.3
Turkmen with only 1% East Asian/Siberian. I'm Nenets by comparison.
Lucas
08-21-2020, 08:38 AM
Turkmen with only 1% East Asian/Siberian. I'm Nenets by comparison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Turkmen
They wrote here that it could be up to 3 milion now Turkmens in Iraq.
But Turkmen name is used just since 1958. Before they were known just as Turks.
The Iraqi Turkmen (also spelled in the singular as Turkoman, Turcoman and Turkman; Turkish: Irak Türkmenleri), also referred to as Iraqi Turks or Turks of Iraq (Arabic: تركمان العراق; Turkish: Irak Türkleri), are Iraqis of Turkic origin who mostly adhere to a Turkish heritage and identity.[1][2] Most Iraqi Turkmen are the descendants of the Ottoman soldiers, traders and civil servants who were brought into Iraq from Anatolia during the rule of the Ottoman Empire.[14][15][3] Despite the popular reference to the Turks of Iraq as "Turkmen", they are not directly related to the Turkmen people of Turkmenistan and do not identify as such.[16]
Prior to the mid-20th century the Turkmen in Iraq were known simply as "Turks".[20] However, after the military coup of July 14, 1958, the ruling military junta introduced the name "Turkman/Turkmen".[20] According to the Iraqi Turkmen scholar Professor Suphi Saatçi "The political goal of the Iraqi government was to distinguish the Iraqi Turkman from other Turks in Anatolia, just as the Greek government used the name "Muslim minority" for those Turks living within the borders of Greece."[20]
The Iraqi Turkmens are the descendants of various waves of Turkic migration to Mesopotamia beginning from the 7th century until the end of Ottoman rule (1919). The first wave of migration dates back to the 7th century, followed by migrations during the Seljuk Empire (1037–1194), the fleeing Oghuz during the Mongol destruction of the Khwarazmian dynasty (see Kara Koyunlu and Ag Qoyunlu), and the largest migration, during the Ottoman Empire (1535–1919). With the conquest of Iraq by Suleiman the Magnificent in 1534, followed by Sultan Murad IV's capture of Baghdad in 1638, a large influx of Turks—predominately from Anatolia—settled down in Iraq. Thus, most of today's Iraqi Turkmen are the descendants of the Ottoman soldiers, traders and civil servants who were brought into Iraq during the rule of the Ottoman Empire.[14][15][3][21]
Bender1999
08-21-2020, 08:48 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Turkmen
They wrote here that it could be up to 3 milion now Turkmens in Iraq.
But Turkmen name is used just since 1958. Before they were known just as Turks.
No, this region was known as Turkmeneli(Turcomania). I have mistrust about those kind of results, because for example even Palestine Turkmens still show Turkic admixture. On the other hand, Turkmens in Iraq/Syria are heavily intermixed and assimilated, so it is possible that they don’t dhow Turkic admixtures anymore.
Halgurd
08-21-2020, 09:03 AM
No, this region was known as Turkmeneli(Turcomania).
Which region? Never in history was this part of Iraq called Turkmeneli.
Halgurd
08-21-2020, 09:05 AM
Turkmen with only 1% East Asian/Siberian. I'm Nenets by comparison.
lol same, Erbili Turkmens seem to be heavily admixed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Turkmen
They wrote here that it could be up to 3 milion now Turkmens in Iraq.
But Turkmen name is used just since 1958. Before they were known just as Turks.
If you speak turkish ---> turkoman.
Bender1999
08-21-2020, 09:43 AM
Which region? Never in history was this part of Iraq called Turkmeneli.
Eastern Anatolia and northern parts of Iraq were known as Turcomania, Turkmeneli is the modern title. The name was given by foreigners, not Turks btw.
Halgurd
08-21-2020, 09:51 AM
Eastern Anatolia and northern parts of Iraq were known as Turcomania, Turkmeneli is the modern title. The name was given by foreigners, not Turks btw.
This region was always named Kurdistan in maps, both foreign and Ottoman. This later was equated with the Mosul province. Turcomania was the region north of Diyarbekir in many historical maps that I've seen.
Turkmeneli is a term used by Iraqi Turkmen to refer to their areas in Iraq which includes many cities including Bakuba and Mendeli near the Iranian border (one of my uncles used to be governor of Mendeli a long time ago). Many of these areas are mixed with kurds though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmeneli
Iraqi Turcmans also have a couple of TV channels called Türkmeneli TV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%BCrkmeneli_TV
Trouble
08-21-2020, 02:13 PM
Yes, looking at those samples. And it is not obvious when we think about Mesopotamia (except northern and north-eastern frindges bordering Kurds).
Someone told me that in southern provinces were places of Muslim worship visited often by Persian pilgrims but if it is a case? I doubt. It is more complex and deeper.
It’s not surprising if it’s just Shias from Najaf and Karbala and maybe some from Baghdad but from what these results indicate there had to be mass scale Persian settlements all across Iraq even the Sunni and rural areas. Allegedly Mesopotamia was depopulated by the Mongols so whatever Persian ancestry is there is probably mostly post 13th century(same with the Arabian ancestry?).
I don’t know. Iraq is an enigma. There’s a small chance that what we’re seeing is actually just largely native Mesopotamians results, and that modern Mandaeans and Assyrians simply are not representative of the original population within central and southern Iraq, who might’ve been more Iran_N shifted. It’d explain the strange affinity for groups like Pathans and Baloch who are SC Asian. Iranians from the Caspian coast also shift towards these groups due to being higher Iran_N. Also, Iraqis have extra SSA from the Zanj slaves and that came independent of Arabians, but it might be pushing them toward Peninsulars and North Africans/Egyptians anyway.
I want to hold out hope until ancient DNA either validates or negates my ideas.
Eastern Anatolia and northern parts of Iraq were known as Turcomania, Turkmeneli is the modern title. The name was given by foreigners, not Turks btw.
I’ve also heard this from older relatives(they are from Northern Iraq)
Lucas
08-21-2020, 02:28 PM
It’s not surprising if it’s just Shias from Najaf and Karbala and maybe some from Baghdad but from what these results indicate there had to be mass scale Persian settlements all across Iraq even the Sunni and rural areas. Allegedly Mesopotamia was depopulated by the Mongols so whatever Persian ancestry is there is probably mostly post 13th century(same with the Arabian ancestry?).
Yes, Mongol depopulation scenario and Persian resettlement fits well.
I don’t know. Iraq is an enigma. There’s a small chance that what we’re seeing is actually just largely native Mesopotamians results, and that modern Mandaeans and Assyrians simply are not representative of the original population within central and southern Iraq, who might’ve been more Iran_N shifted. It’d explain the strange affinity for groups like Pathans and Baloch who are SC Asian. Iranians from the Caspian coast also shift towards these groups due to being higher Iran_N. Also, Iraqis have extra SSA from the Zanj slaves and that came independent of Arabians, but it might be pushing them toward Peninsulars and North Africans/Egyptians anyway.
I want to hold out hope until ancient DNA either validates or negates my ideas.
I'm not sure it is what you stated but you think Assyrian and Mandeans looks like pre-13th century original Iraqis?
Halgurd
08-21-2020, 03:02 PM
I’ve also heard this from older relatives(they are from Northern Iraq)
Where are they from?
Chaos One
08-21-2020, 03:10 PM
Do you actually have legit Uzbek or Tajik matches? Non-academic.
Only Afghan. Never found a non academic Tajik or Uzbek.
It’s not surprising if it’s just Shias from Najaf and Karbala and maybe some from Baghdad but from what these results indicate there had to be mass scale Persian settlements all across Iraq even the Sunni and rural areas. Allegedly Mesopotamia was depopulated by the Mongols so whatever Persian ancestry is there is probably mostly post 13th century(same with the Arabian ancestry?).
I don’t know. Iraq is an enigma. There’s a small chance that what we’re seeing is actually just largely native Mesopotamians results, and that modern Mandaeans and Assyrians simply are not representative of the original population within central and southern Iraq, who might’ve been more Iran_N shifted. It’d explain the strange affinity for groups like Pathans and Baloch who are SC Asian. Iranians from the Caspian coast also shift towards these groups due to being higher Iran_N. Also, Iraqis have extra SSA from the Zanj slaves and that came independent of Arabians, but it might be pushing them toward Peninsulars and North Africans/Egyptians anyway.
I want to hold out hope until ancient DNA either validates or negates my ideas.
I find it hard to believe the entire Arab population was decimated, whilst Assyrians, Mandeans and Iraqi Jews persisted. The Iraqis in G25 spreadsheet do pick up some Iraqi Jewish and they are from south and west Iraq.
Where are they from?
From Arbil.
I remember my great-grandparents and their parents in their times Turkish, the local Turkish dialect I presume was the most important language to know for them. Nowadays it has shifted to Arabic mostly.
Halgurd
08-21-2020, 03:30 PM
From Arbil.
I remember my great-grandparents and their parents in their times Turkish, the local Turkish dialect I presume was the most important language to know for them. Nowadays it has shifted to Arabic mostly.
I presume you guys are from Ankawa?
Trouble
08-21-2020, 03:37 PM
I find it hard to believe the entire Arab population was decimated, whilst Assyrians, Mandeans and Iraqi Jews persisted. The Iraqis in G25 spreadsheet do pick up some Iraqi Jewish and they are from south and west Iraq.
Well it's not about that but the entire population of the region was severely reduced, but the original Mesopotamian origin Arabic speaking population may have later become heavily mixed with incoming Arabian tribes exploiting the void after the Mongols while the other groups remained endogamous, thereby retaining their Mesopotamian ancestry. Assuming that Assyrians, Mandos, and Jews are representative of the original stock.
Yes, Mongol depopulation scenario and Persian resettlement fits well.
No, it doesn't make sense because most Persian settlement would have happened pre mongols(except for the shrine cities). Before the Mongols, Mesopotamia was the crown jewel of the Islamic empire with the capital Baghdad and an extensive agricultural network and therefore it would have attracted the most Persian settlement at this time, whereas afterwards it became a backwater.
I'm not sure it is what you stated but you think Assyrian and Mandeans looks like pre-13th century original Iraqis?
I'm saying they might not be, as others have insisted.
I'm saying they might not be, as others have insisted.
I'm genuinely curious. What would Mandeans of today represent if not a remnant of the Neo-Babylonians? Some Persian admixture from the Parthian period, sure. But other than that I can't think of any other populations they could've mixed with or assimilated without shifting language and religion.
If you're interested in linguistics I recommend this book (https://books.google.se/books?id=I0kJAwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=sv#v=onepage&q=akkadian&f=false) on Neo-Mandaic. The modern day Neo-Aramaic dialects are vernaculars with no continuous written record(Mandeans use Classical Mandaic, Assyrians use Classical Syriac and Jews use I believe Babylonian Jewish Aramaic as their liturgical language). Multilingualism amongst the speakers has had a huge influence on most dialects due to the low prestige of Neo-Aramaic. Especially Mandaic which is heavily affected by both Persian and Arabic. Despite the immense influence and pressure from the languages in contact the two surviving dialects of Neo Mandaic(both in Western Iran) have kept a large amount of Akkadian words in their vernaculars. I think this needs to be taken into consideration when discussing their origin.
Trouble
08-21-2020, 04:54 PM
I'm genuinely curious. What would Mandeans of today represent if not a remnant of the Neo-Babylonians? Some Persian admixture from the Parthian period, sure. But other than that I can't think of any other populations they could've mixed with or assimilated without shifting language and religion.
If you're interested in linguistics I recommend this book (https://books.google.se/books?id=I0kJAwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=sv#v=onepage&q=akkadian&f=false) on Neo-Mandaic. The modern day Neo-Aramaic dialects are vernaculars with no continuous written record(Mandeans use Classical Mandaic, Assyrians use Classical Syriac and Jews use I believe Babylonian Jewish Aramaic as their liturgical language). Multilingualism amongst the speakers has had a huge influence on most dialects due to the low prestige of Neo-Aramaic. Especially Mandaic which is heavily affected by both Persian and Arabic. Despite the immense influence and pressure from the languages in contact the two surviving dialects of Neo Mandaic(both in Western Iran) have kept a large amount of Akkadian words in their vernaculars. I think this needs to be taken into consideration when discussing their origin.
Well Assyrians are from upper Mesopotamia which is geographically located west of lower Mesopotamia so they might be naturally more ANF shifted. As for Mandaeans, do we know which part of Mesopotamia they originate from? We cant say for sure if they are native to the southern plains.
Keep in mind Iraqi Arabic also have Akkadian and Aramaic influence.
Well Assyrians are from upper Mesopotamia which is geographically located west of lower Mesopotamia so they might be naturally more ANF shifted. As for Mandaeans, do we know which part of Mesopotamia they originate from? We cant say for sure if they are native to the southern plains.
Keep in mind Iraqi Arabic also have Akkadian and Aramaic influence.
Why not? Where else would they be from if not Lower Mesopotamia? Classical Mandaic and Babylonian Jewish Aramaic are very close, closer to eachother than either of them are to Syriac. However I suspect Mandeans have some Elamite input which Iraqi Jews seem to lack.
Iraqi Arabic has Aramaic influence, Akkadian died out well before Arabs started appearing in Mesopotamia. Any Akkadian would come from the vernaculars of the Aramaic speakers they assimilated.
Trouble
08-21-2020, 05:52 PM
Why not? Where else would they be from if not Lower Mesopotamia? Classical Mandaic and Babylonian Jewish Aramaic are very close, closer to eachother than either of them are to Syriac. However I suspect Mandeans have some Elamite input which Iraqi Jews seem to lack.
Iraqi Arabic has Aramaic influence, Akkadian died out well before Arabs started appearing in Mesopotamia. Any Akkadian would come from the vernaculars of the Aramaic speakers they assimilated.
There's your answer, possibly Elam considering that Mandaeans are found both in Iraq and Iran(Khuzestan). Im just trying to figure out the puzzle of the Muslims of the region. If they really are heavily mixed, where does the Iranic ancestry come from? The Arabian can be easily explained(post mongol) but the Persian, as I said, would have to be more ancient. It could possibly be that average Mesopotamian Muslims were already heavily mixed(50%+) with Persians and SSA prior to the Mongol sacking, and their remnants mixed in with peninsular Arabs to create the hybrids we see.
There's your answer, possibly Elam considering that Mandaeans are found both in Iraq and Iran(Khuzestan). Im just trying to figure out the puzzle of the Muslims of the region. If they really are heavily mixed, where does the Iranic ancestry come from? The Arabian can be easily explained(post mongol) but the Persian, as I said, would have to be more ancient. It could possibly be that average Mesopotamian Muslims were already heavily mixed(50%+) with Persians and SSA prior to the Mongol sacking, and their remnants mixed in with peninsular Arabs to create the hybrids we see.
Some Elamite is possible, but Mandeans look no less Levantine shifted than Iraqi and Kurdish Jews which makes me very certain that their ethnogenesis must've happend in Lower Mespotoamia.
Persian/Iranian input cannot be ancient in Iraq for various reasons, two most important being
1. Mandeans, Iraqi/Kurdish Jews and Assyrians seem to have little to none of it meaning it spread after we started practicing strict endogamy, so after the advent of Christianity basically.
2. Iraqi Arabs are very diverse, the Persian admixture varies from individual to individual even within the same city meaning it's a rather recent phenomena and/or that it's a continuous gene flow still going on. The exact same thing can be said about their Arabic heritage.
There's nothing difficult about this puzzle IMO. Some significant Mesopotamian input seems to present but it's tertiary to the Persian and Arabic elements in most individuals. Some of the Persian and Arabic is probably from the Golden Age, the bulk of the Mesopotamian is probably also from the survivors of the Mongolian devestation. But the more recent gene flow from both Arabia and Iran cannot be understated.
FinalFlash
08-21-2020, 10:03 PM
There's your answer, possibly Elam considering that Mandaeans are found both in Iraq and Iran(Khuzestan). Im just trying to figure out the puzzle of the Muslims of the region. If they really are heavily mixed, where does the Iranic ancestry come from? The Arabian can be easily explained(post mongol) but the Persian, as I said, would have to be more ancient. It could possibly be that average Mesopotamian Muslims were already heavily mixed(50%+) with Persians and SSA prior to the Mongol sacking, and their remnants mixed in with peninsular Arabs to create the hybrids we see.
That BA Syrian_Elba sample seems to be very Iranian-shifted as well. I know it isn't Iraq per se but it's quite close I think.
That BA Syrian_Elba sample seems to be very Iranian-shifted as well. I know it isn't Iraq per se but it's quite close I think.
Huh? It's CHG and Anatolian shifted in comparison to other Bronze Age Levantine samples further south. Exactly how I expected early East Semitic speakers to score like.
Target: SYR_Ebla_EMBA
Distance: 4.0672% / 0.04067213
43.0 TUR_Barcin_N
24.0 Levant_Natufian
20.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.0 GEO_CHG
Target: Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
Distance: 4.0614% / 0.04061387
36.8 TUR_Barcin_N
32.8 Levant_Natufian
20.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
10.0 GEO_CHG
Target: Levant_Sidon_MBA
Distance: 3.8325% / 0.03832453
37.6 TUR_Barcin_N
32.4 Levant_Natufian
19.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
10.6 GEO_CHG
FinalFlash
08-21-2020, 10:17 PM
Huh? It's CHG and Anatolian shifted in comparison to other Bronze Age Levantine samples further south. Exactly how I expected early East Semitic speakers to score like.
Target: SYR_Ebla_EMBA
Distance: 4.0672% / 0.04067213
43.0 TUR_Barcin_N
24.0 Levant_Natufian
20.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.0 GEO_CHG
Target: Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
Distance: 4.0614% / 0.04061387
36.8 TUR_Barcin_N
32.8 Levant_Natufian
20.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
10.0 GEO_CHG
Target: Levant_Sidon_MBA
Distance: 3.8325% / 0.03832453
37.6 TUR_Barcin_N
32.4 Levant_Natufian
19.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
10.6 GEO_CHG
Maybe they are more BA Iranian shifted. I actually ran Kurds using Ebla and they seemed to score a very high amount, more than other ancient Levantine components.
Maybe they are more BA Iranian shifted. I actually ran Kurds using Ebla and they seemed to score a very high amount, more than other ancient Levantine components.
What is "more" BA Iranian shifted? Ofc Kurds but also Armenians prefer the Eblaites in their model cause they represent the Semtic input in Mesopotamia and probably we'll see a similar shift albeit to a lesser degree in Western Iran by the Late Bronze Age.
FinalFlash
08-21-2020, 10:33 PM
What is "more" BA Iranian shifted? Ofc Kurds but also Armenians prefer the Eblaites in their model cause they represent the Semtic input in Mesopotamia and probably we'll see a similar shift albeit to a lesser degree in Western Iran by the Late Bronze Age.
Not really. The Armenians don't prefer the Ebla at all. Remember Aram's post on AG that highlighted this? The same wasn't true for the Kurds hence why I had thought Ebla had a strong Iranic shift.
Most W Asians including Armenians, Assyrians, Middle-Eastern Jews, Arabs are Anatolia-N shifted. Iranics are Iran-N shifted. This table done using 15 outgroups in qpWave is sorted from most Iran-N to most Anatolia-N shift.
The ACTUAL similarity with Iran-N or Anatolia-N is indicated by the Chi-sq number. The lower the number the more similarity with Iran-N/Anatolia-N
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SAMPLE
Anatolia-N CHI SQ
Iran-N CHI SQ
RATIO Iran-n / Anatolia-N
Brahui1
223.41
18.31
12.20
Balochi1
267.30
30.03
8.90
Baloch_IR1
160.07
18.68
8.57
Brahui2
220.85
41.36
5.34
Kalash
300.96
59.49
5.06
Pathan2
359.79
73.86
4.87
Balochi2
257.86
53.47
4.82
Baloch_IR2
121.43
27.79
4.37
Pashtun_Afg1
145.20
38.49
3.77
Pathan1
291.40
80.33
3.63
Kalash
313.89
90.97
3.45
Pashtun_Afg2
227.36
67.80
3.35
Sindhi2
284.63
85.58
3.33
Sindhi1
265.85
85.03
3.13
Tajik
167.94
64.25
2.61
Tajik2
185.96
72.79
2.55
Iranian
162.62
63.89
2.55
Tajik
177.98
79.54
2.24
Iran_C_SehGabi2
136.11
64.95
2.10
Iran_C_SehGabi1
192.56
96.91
1.99
Kurds_Feyli2
109.51
55.58
1.97
Iranian
124.89
67.97
1.84
Turkmenistan_IA
126.92
73.35
1.73
Tajik
166.38
97.38
1.71
Kurds_Feyli3
110.64
67.60
1.64
Kurds_Feyli1
103.61
66.60
1.56
Kurd_Sorani
106.97
70.83
1.51
Kyrgyzstan_TianShanSaka
132.15
92.03
1.44
Iranian_NW2
100.43
70.30
1.43
Kazakhstan_EBA_Yamna
212.64
149.25
1.42
Iranian_NW1
92.49
65.35
1.42
Russia_NOssetian1
140.50
105.31
1.33
Russia_Alan_DA243
114.49
86.05
1.33
Russia_Late_Sarmatian
127.97
103.33
1.24
Turkmen1
235.20
190.53
1.23
Kurd_Kurm2
90.11
74.82
1.20
Kurd_Kurm1
89.71
74.70
1.20
Russia_Late_Sarmatian
146.73
123.49
1.19
Kazakhstan_Botai
545.76
483.98
1.13
Mozabite2
477.50
430.84
1.11
Kyrgyzstan_TianShanSaka
149.03
135.91
1.10
Armenia_EBA_Kura1
110.84
102.28
1.08
Mozabite1
374.78
350.73
1.07
Russia_HG_Sosnoviy
559.96
532.25
1.05
Iran_C_HajjiFiruz2
128.80
123.27
1.04
Iran_IA_HajjiFiruz
71.01
70.35
1.01
Iran_IA_Hasanlu
90.11
91.42
0.99
Russia_NOssetian2
118.06
128.78
0.92
Russia_EBA_Yamna_Samara
233.84
273.46
0.86
Finnish1
236.67
286.41
0.83
Georgian
144.76
178.25
0.81
Turkmen2
196.13
243.63
0.81
Estonian2
207.20
261.95
0.79
Russia_Sintashta_MLBA
79.92
101.46
0.79
Estonian1
198.03
256.30
0.77
Iran_C_HajjiFiruz3
105.38
139.74
0.75
Georgian
119.65
162.68
0.74
Armenian1
122.44
169.52
0.72
Finnish2
173.73
248.61
0.70
Kazakh1
329.94
498.15
0.66
English1
177.92
271.94
0.65
Kazakh3
321.67
493.94
0.65
Turkish
88.59
139.12
0.64
Armenia_EBA_Kura3
89.80
146.81
0.61
Turkish
87.81
145.07
0.61
Kazakh2
318.34
538.93
0.59
Yakut2
789.47
1,363.82
0.58
Yakut1
728.496
1,301.91
0.56
Armenia_EBA_Kura2
69.72
137.45
0.51
Buryat1
541.90
1,069.16
0.51
Buryat2
597.40
1,186.91
0.50
Jordanian
101.306
206.18
0.49
English2
148.68
324.42
0.46
Russia_Sintashta_MLBA
109.31
239.90
0.46
Jordanian
86.752
195.69
0.44
Jew_Iraqi
84.57
194.10
0.44
Jew_Iraqi
86.43
205.47
0.42
Armenia_C1
59.12
141.07
0.42
Assyrian2
53.12
129.61
0.41
BedouinB1
81.76
212.91
0.38
French
96.70
251.83
0.38
Cretan1
75.24
197.61
0.38
Russia_Alan_DA162
38.63
101.78
0.38
Bulgarian1
95.88
256.30
0.37
Iran_C_HajjiFiruz1
67.41
187.23
0.36
Bulgarian2
67.06
214.07
0.31
Armenian2
70.56
232.38
0.30
Tuscan
63.78
211.84
0.30
Assyrian1
39.14
134.13
0.29
Basque
93.29
322.60
0.29
Tuscan
74.33
269.46
0.28
Spanish
78.31
299.77
0.26
Basque
77.05
304.08
0.25
Armenia_C2
30.63
123.15
0.25
Cretan2
55.95
256.17
0.22
BedouinB2
38.59
213.74
0.18
Armenia_C3
27.34
159.58
0.17
Spanish
46.62
286.64
0.16
French
36.99
264.64
0.14
Sardinian
56.89
411.64
0.14
Sardinian
43.23
415.64
0.10
Israel_C1
22.83
294.17
0.08
Sardinian
33.12
470.24
0.07
Israel_C3
17.24
320.92
0.05
Bulgaria_C2
15.21
449.09
0.03
Austria_EN_LBK3
14.17
432.01
0.03
Bulgaria_C1
14.16
446.20
0.03
Austria_EN_LBK1
13.88
464.49
0.03
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This table is sorted differently from the above. This one is sorted by most similarity to Iran-N at top. Once you go above chi-sq of 300 it becomes debatable whether the sample has any admixture from Iran-N/Anatolia-N at all
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SAMPLE
Anatolia-N CHI SQ
Iran-N CHI SQ
RATIO Iran-n / Anatolia-N
Brahui1
223.41
18.31
12.20
Baloch_IR1
160.07
18.68
8.57
Baloch_IR2
121.43
27.79
4.37
Balochi1
267.30
30.03
8.90
Pashtun_Afg1
145.20
38.49
3.77
Brahui2
220.85
41.36
5.34
Balochi2
257.86
53.47
4.82
Kurds_Feyli2
109.51
55.58
1.97
Kalash
300.96
59.49
5.06
Iranian
162.62
63.89
2.55
Tajik
167.94
64.25
2.61
Iran_C_SehGabi2
136.11
64.95
2.10
Iranian_NW1
92.49
65.35
1.42
Kurds_Feyli1
103.61
66.60
1.56
Kurds_Feyli3
110.64
67.60
1.64
Pashtun_Afg2
227.36
67.80
3.35
Iranian
124.89
67.97
1.84
Iranian_NW2
100.43
70.30
1.43
Iran_IA_HajjiFiruz
71.01
70.35
1.01
Kurd_Sorani
106.97
70.83
1.51
Tajik2
185.96
72.79
2.55
Turkmenistan_IA
126.92
73.35
1.73
Pathan2
359.79
73.86
4.87
Kurd_Kurm1
89.71
74.70
1.20
Kurd_Kurm2
90.11
74.82
1.20
Tajik
177.98
79.54
2.24
Pathan1
291.40
80.33
3.63
Sindhi1
265.85
85.03
3.13
Sindhi2
284.63
85.58
3.33
Russia_Alan_DA243
114.49
86.05
1.33
Kalash
313.89
90.97
3.45
Iran_IA_Hasanlu
90.11
91.42
0.99
Kyrgyzstan_TianShanSaka
132.15
92.03
1.44
Iran_C_SehGabi1
192.56
96.91
1.99
Tajik
166.38
97.38
1.71
Russia_Sintashta_MLBA
79.92
101.46
0.79
Russia_Alan_DA162
38.63
101.78
0.38
Armenia_EBA_Kura1
110.84
102.28
1.08
Russia_Late_Sarmatian
127.97
103.33
1.24
Russia_NOssetian1
140.50
105.31
1.33
Armenia_C2
30.63
123.15
0.25
Iran_C_HajjiFiruz2
128.80
123.27
1.04
Russia_Late_Sarmatian
146.73
123.49
1.19
Russia_NOssetian2
118.06
128.78
0.92
Assyrian2
53.12
129.61
0.41
Assyrian1
39.14
134.13
0.29
Kyrgyzstan_TianShanSaka
149.03
135.91
1.10
Armenia_EBA_Kura2
69.72
137.45
0.51
Turkish
88.59
139.12
0.64
Iran_C_HajjiFiruz3
105.38
139.74
0.75
Armenia_C1
59.12
141.07
0.42
Turkish
87.81
145.07
0.61
Armenia_EBA_Kura3
89.80
146.81
0.61
Kazakhstan_EBA_Yamna
212.64
149.25
1.42
Armenia_C3
27.34
159.58
0.17
Georgian
119.65
162.68
0.74
Armenian1
122.44
169.52
0.72
Georgian
144.76
178.25
0.81
Iran_C_HajjiFiruz1
67.41
187.23
0.36
Turkmen1
235.20
190.53
1.23
Jew_Iraqi
84.57
194.10
0.44
Jordanian
86.752
195.69
0.44
Cretan1
75.24
197.61
0.38
Jew_Iraqi
86.43
205.47
0.42
Jordanian
101.306
206.18
0.49
Tuscan
63.78
211.84
0.30
BedouinB1
81.76
212.91
0.38
BedouinB2
38.59
213.74
0.18
Bulgarian2
67.06
214.07
0.31
Armenian2
70.56
232.38
0.30
Russia_Sintashta_MLBA
109.31
239.90
0.46
Turkmen2
196.13
243.63
0.81
Finnish2
173.73
248.61
0.70
French
96.70
251.83
0.38
Cretan2
55.95
256.17
0.22
Estonian1
198.03
256.30
0.77
Bulgarian1
95.88
256.30
0.37
Estonian2
207.20
261.95
0.79
French
36.99
264.64
0.14
Tuscan
74.33
269.46
0.28
English1
177.92
271.94
0.65
Russia_EBA_Yamna_Samara
233.84
273.46
0.86
Finnish1
236.67
286.41
0.83
Spanish
46.62
286.64
0.16
Israel_C1
22.83
294.17
0.08
Spanish
78.31
299.77
0.26
Basque
77.05
304.08
0.25
Israel_C3
17.24
320.92
0.05
Basque
93.29
322.60
0.29
English2
148.68
324.42
0.46
Mozabite1
374.78
350.73
1.07
Sardinian
56.89
411.64
0.14
Sardinian
43.23
415.64
0.10
Mozabite2
477.50
430.84
1.11
Austria_EN_LBK3
14.17
432.01
0.03
Bulgaria_C1
14.16
446.20
0.03
Bulgaria_C2
15.21
449.09
0.03
Austria_EN_LBK1
13.88
464.49
0.03
Sardinian
33.12
470.24
0.07
Kazakhstan_Botai
545.76
483.98
1.13
Kazakh3
321.67
493.94
0.65
Kazakh1
329.94
498.15
0.66
Russia_HG_Sosnoviy
559.96
532.25
1.05
Kazakh2
318.34
538.93
0.59
Buryat1
541.90
1,069.16
0.51
Buryat2
597.40
1,186.91
0.50
Yakut1
728.496
1,301.91
0.56
Yakut2
789.47
1,363.82
0.58
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Not really. The Armenians don't prefer the Ebla at all. Remember Aram's post on AG that highlighted this? The same wasn't true for the Kurds hence why I had thought Ebla had a strong Iranic shift.
Kurds and Armenians are equally Levantine shifted, it's just that the Armenian Highlands were more connected to the Levant and from an earlier period than Western Iran. The Late Copper Age samples from Arslantepe are already significantly more Levantine_N than genomes form the same period in Western Iran or Central Anatolia.
Kurds and Armenians are equally Levantine shifted, it's just that the Armenian Highlands were more connected to the Levant and from an earlier period than Western Iran. The Late Copper Age samples from Arslantepe are already significantly more Levantine_N than genomes form the same period in Western Iran or Central Anatolia.
I have my doubts but we shall see if that's true in an hour
Trouble
08-22-2020, 12:59 AM
Some Elamite is possible, but Mandeans look no less Levantine shifted than Iraqi and Kurdish Jews which makes me very certain that their ethnogenesis must've happend in Lower Mespotoamia.
Persian/Iranian input cannot be ancient in Iraq for various reasons, two most important being
1. Mandeans, Iraqi/Kurdish Jews and Assyrians seem to have little to none of it meaning it spread after we started practicing strict endogamy, so after the advent of Christianity basically.
2. Iraqi Arabs are very diverse, the Persian admixture varies from individual to individual even within the same city meaning it's a rather recent phenomena and/or that it's a continuous gene flow still going on. The exact same thing can be said about their Arabic heritage.
There's nothing difficult about this puzzle IMO. Some significant Mesopotamian input seems to present but it's tertiary to the Persian and Arabic elements in most individuals. Some of the Persian and Arabic is probably from the Golden Age, the bulk of the Mesopotamian is probably also from the survivors of the Mongolian devestation. But the more recent gene flow from both Arabia and Iran cannot be understated.
Ok, I can agree with you on Mandaeans being native on the region. But I don't agree that the Persian is mostly post-Mongol(except in the case of the shrine cities, of course). When I say ancient, I mean simply more ancient than Arabian ancestry which can mean it came during the hundreds of years after Christianity and before the Mongols. There was actual reason for Persians to settle in Mesopotamia then because it was a fertile land with large and magnificent cities, this was not the case post Mongols when much of the region reverted to desert and Baghdad remained a mere town until pretty recently. On the other hand, Arabians could start moving into Iraq post-Mongols because the region was still preferable to the even harsher environment in the peninsula.
BTW, most Shiites in Iraq are recent converts(from around the 18th century). Even if there was religious based migration there is no way that there could have been such extensive mass migration of Shia Persians in just two centuries to every town and village in Iraq. It's only really a few cities that saw such a thing.
FinalFlash
08-22-2020, 01:52 AM
Kurds and Armenians are equally Levantine shifted, it's just that the Armenian Highlands were more connected to the Levant and from an earlier period than Western Iran. The Late Copper Age samples from Arslantepe are already significantly more Levantine_N than genomes form the same period in Western Iran or Central Anatolia.
Yeah but I was referring to the Ebla sample. It's irrelevant for Armenians while relevant for Kurds in Aram's model. That's mostly because Arslantepe has enough ancient Levant affinity to cover that component in Armenians while Ebla is a good match for Kurds. DMXX ran a model to show the Iranic shift of that sample if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah but I was referring to the Ebla sample. It's irrelevant for Armenians while relevant for Kurds in Aram's model. That's mostly because Arslantepe has enough ancient Levant affinity to cover that component in Armenians while Ebla is a good match for Kurds. DMXX ran a model to show the Iranic shift of that sample if I'm not mistaken.
Point taken, but eitherway the Arslantepe samples show clear Semitic shift. There’s also Semitic Y-DNA in modern Armenians which makes sense.
You do realize the Eblaites predate Iranics by over a millenia. There’s no rocket science the Eblaite average shifts slightly towards Anatolia and the Caucasus in comparison with other samples from the Levant like I already showed you.
Kurds and Armenians are equally Levantine shifted, it's just that the Armenian Highlands were more connected to the Levant and from an earlier period than Western Iran. The Late Copper Age samples from Arslantepe are already significantly more Levantine_N than genomes form the same period in Western Iran or Central Anatolia.
So you're correct the comparison between Jordan-EBA and Armenians/Kurds did in fact show that they are both equally Jordan-EBA shifted. I guess the main difference between Armenians and Kurds is in their affinities with Anatolia-N, Iran-N, Steppe, E Eurasian/S Eurasian with Armenians being notably more Anatolia-N and less Iran-N shifted than Kurds and also Armenians being less Steppe/C Asian/ E Eurasian/S Eurasian shifted than Kurds.
Yeah but I was referring to the Ebla sample. It's irrelevant for Armenians while relevant for Kurds in Aram's model. That's mostly because Arslantepe has enough ancient Levant affinity to cover that component in Armenians while Ebla is a good match for Kurds. DMXX ran a model to show the Iranic shift of that sample if I'm not mistaken.
No. There are clear later Levantine lineages in Armenians.
FinalFlash
08-22-2020, 03:43 AM
No. There are clear later Levantine lineages in Armenians.
There really isn't. The Armenian genepool has remained untouched since our ethnogenesis 3 to 4 thousand years ago. Any non-Armenian that may or may not have assimilated has long been diluted and disappeared.
FinalFlash
08-22-2020, 03:49 AM
Point taken, but eitherway the Arslantepe samples show clear Semitic shift. There’s also Semitic Y-DNA in modern Armenians which makes sense.
You do realize the Eblaites predate Iranics by over a millenia. There’s no rocket science the Eblaite average shifts slightly towards Anatolia and the Caucasus in comparison with other samples from the Levant like I already showed you.
True. J1 which occurs at around 10% give or take but it seems as though that hasn't made any impact as far as aDNA is concerned considering how homogenous we are.
As for the Ebla sample, I was merely highlighting the fact that it shows a preference for Kurds and likely Iranians yet doesn't appear relevant for us.
There really isn't. The Armenian genepool has remained untouched since our ethnogenesis 3 to 4 thousand years ago. Any non-Armenian that may or may not have assimilated has long been diluted and disappeared.
What % of Armenians are J-L70, alone?
FinalFlash
08-22-2020, 04:23 AM
What % of Armenians are J-L70, alone?
I'm not too sure of the J-L70 haplo but J1 overall only constitutes for 11% of Armenian Y-DNA. The subclades I am not so sure as J1 has quite a few clades
SUPREEEEEME
08-22-2020, 12:10 PM
J-L70 is only present in around <1% of Armenians. It does, however, spike in the Armenians of East Anatolia, concentrated around Lake Van. 5% of them are J-L70. As you head east from the Levant, J-L70 drops to the <1% mark.
Halgurd
08-22-2020, 12:48 PM
There really isn't. The Armenian genepool has remained untouched since our ethnogenesis 3 to 4 thousand years ago. Any non-Armenian that may or may not have assimilated has long been diluted and disappeared.
Yes, true. Armenian blood line hasn't mixed for thousands of years. Same goes for Kurds.
Yes, true. Armenian blood line hasn't mixed for thousands of years. Same goes for Kurds.
Formal stats show that modern Armenians are quite similar to 5000 year old Armenians of the Kura Araxes era. I'm not familiar with their language but if I had to guess I would think that hasn't changed much in the last 3000 years also relatively speaking.
Kurd formal stats tell a different tale though and that's consistent with the Indo-Iranianization of the Kurdistan area by Medes and Parthians around 2000 years ago. So basically formal stats support the Medes and Parthians/Scythians and later Turkics
Here is a very valuable summary of the genetics using formal stats of Armenians vs Kurds. Modern Armenians consist of 1240K sampled academics. Kurds are an average of Kurmanji/Sorani/Feyli.
The lower the Chi-sq the more similar the population to Iran-N or Anatolia-N.
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QpWave – Cladliness Check – Rank 0
POPULATION
ANATOLIA-N Chi-Sq
IRAN-N Chi-Sq
EXPLANATION
Iran-Chl-HF
101
150
Extensive mixing of Anatolia farmers with Zagrosian Herders about 4-5K years ago. Language likely Elamite like.
Iran-IA
81
81
Indo-Europeanization of Zagrosian Herders via Medes about 2.5K years ago with language shift to old Persian/Parthian
Kurds-Modern
102
68
Further Indo-Europeanization of the Kurdistan area genepool via Parthians with introgeression of Central Asian Steppe & E Eurasian admixture 1.5-2.5K years ago. Integration of Zoroastrianism from C Asia into the Kurdistan area
Armenia-Chl
39
141
Substantial shift of 4-5K year old Armenians towards Anatolian farmers
Armenia-EBA-KuraAraxes
90
129
Dilution of Anatolian Farmer admixture via 1st waves of invaders from the Steppe
Armenians-Modern
96
201
Almost unchanged since Bronze Age
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FinalFlash
08-22-2020, 03:02 PM
J-L70 is only present in around <1% of Armenians. It does, however, spike in the Armenians of East Anatolia, concentrated around Lake Van. 5% of them are J-L70. As you head east from the Levant, J-L70 drops to the <1% mark.
Armenian Highlands***
I had to correct that for you.
FinalFlash
08-22-2020, 03:07 PM
Formal stats show that modern Armenians are quite similar to 5000 year old Armenians of the Kura Araxes era. I'm not familiar with their language but if I had to guess I would think that hasn't changed much in the last 3000 years also relatively speaking.
Kurd formal stats tell a different tale though and that's consistent with the Indo-Iranianization of the Kurdistan area by Medes and Parthians around 2000 years ago. So basically formal stats support the Medes and Parthians/Scythians and later Turkics
Here is a very valuable summary of the genetics using formal stats of Armenians vs Kurds. Modern Armenians consist of 1240K sampled academics. Kurds are an average of Kurmanji/Sorani/Feyli.
The lower the Chi-sq the more similar the population to Iran-N or Anatolia-N.
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QpWave – Cladliness Check – Rank 0
POPULATION
ANATOLIA-N Chi-Sq
IRAN-N Chi-Sq
EXPLANATION
Iran-Chl-HF
101
150
Extensive mixing of Anatolia farmers with Zagrosian Herders about 4-5K years ago. Language likely Elamite like.
Iran-IA
81
81
Indo-Europeanization of Zagrosian Herders via Medes about 2.5K years ago with language shift to old Persian/Parthian
Kurds-Modern
102
68
Further Indo-Europeanization of the Kurdistan area genepool via Parthians with introgeression of Central Asian Steppe & E Eurasian admixture 1.5-2.5K years ago. Integration of Zoroastrianism from C Asia into the Kurdistan area
Armenia-Chl
39
141
Substantial shift of 4-5K year old Armenians towards Anatolian farmers
Armenia-EBA-KuraAraxes
90
129
Dilution of Anatolian Farmer admixture via 1st waves of invaders from the Steppe
Armenians-Modern
96
201
Almost unchanged since Bronze Age
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Yeah. We are extemely similar to the Caucasus Lowlands LN sample as well as Kura-Araxes BA.
Bender1999
08-22-2020, 03:09 PM
Ding Dong, it seems that besides of Kurds and Armenians, every people in Westasia is mixed.
They’ve found some Parthian skeletons in Iran. Looks like the sun meant alot to the Parthians also. Scythians were pretty much integrated into Parthians.
Would be nice if someone can dig up the contact info for the Iranian Archeologist in charge
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/451123/Skeleton-of-another-Parthian-lady-discovered-in-Isfahan
Halgurd
08-22-2020, 03:54 PM
They’ve found some Parthian skeletons in Iran. Looks like the sun meant alot to the Parthians also. Scythians were pretty much integrated into Parthians.
Would be nice if someone can dig up the contact info for the Iranian Archeologist in charge
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/451123/Skeleton-of-another-Parthian-lady-discovered-in-Isfahan
Parthians were essentially Scythian + Mede and derived from the Parni tribe.
Parthians were essentially Scythian + Mede and derived from the Parni tribe.
That’s why the lead archaeologist should be contacted regarding DNA from the skeletons. It would be exciting to compare their DNA with kurds, pashtuns and other iranics
FinalFlash
08-22-2020, 04:11 PM
Ding Dong, it seems that besides of Kurds and Armenians, every people in Westasia is mixed.
That's actually very true in the case of Armenians and other non-muslim minorities in West Asia. Quite the opposite of non-Trabzon and Eastern Turks for example.
Bender1999
08-22-2020, 05:23 PM
That's actually very true in the case of Armenians and other non-muslim minorities in West Asia. Quite the opposite of non-Trabzon and Eastern Turks for example.
Ok then i should say Armenians did not mix, just replaced the language of Anatolian/Caucasian people. The Anatolian „natives“ like Lazes and Assyrians cluster with Armenians. Georgians are far more European, Iranians and Kurds are more „Iranic“ influenced, Anatolian and Azerbaijani Turks have Turkic input(20-50%) which also includes extra European/Iranic admixture.
Nevertheless i doubt that Armenians never intermixed with non Armenians, the Armenian populated area was inhabited by Kurds, Iranians, Assyrian and Aramaen, Turks, Arabs and Jews.
That's actually very true in the case of Armenians and other non-muslim minorities in West Asia. Quite the opposite of non-Trabzon and Eastern Turks for example.
Aren't you originally from the Republic of Armenia? I remember you saying you left it for America with your parents at a very young age. Do you think the Eastern Armenians are not Caucasians (i.e. from the Caucasus)? In Russia Armenians are sometimes lumped together with Caucasians and not necessarily by Russians only.
Personally I do not think a gene pool can remain totally untouched for 3-4 thousand years. For 300-400 years - yes but 3,000? Sounds unlikely to me. Of course except if there were no other peoples around like in the Americas or interior Africa or on some islands.
FinalFlash
08-22-2020, 05:38 PM
Ok then i should say Armenians did not mix, just replaced the language of Anatolian/Caucasian people. The Anatolian „natives“ like Lazes and Assyrians cluster with Armenians. Georgians are far more European, Iranians and Kurds are more „Iranic“ influenced, Anatolian and Azerbaijani Turks have Turkic input(20-50%) which also includes extra European/Iranic admixture.
Nevertheless i doubt that Armenians never intermixed with non Armenians, the Armenian populated area was inhabited by Kurds, Iranians, Assyrian and Aramaen, Turks, Arabs and Jews.
Didn't replace any languages. Armenian was attested thousands of years ago in the region along with various other tongues. Neither Laz, Assyrians nor Armenians are Anatolian but are from the Armenian Highlands(except for the Assyrians of course). Georgians, are far and away the least European ethnic group in the region by any genetic measure. The Armenian Highlands has always consituted an Armenian majority prior to the invading turks who've reshaped the demographics of the region, an overwhelming majority at that. Minorities are just that, minorities and most of those aformentioned ethnic groups you just listed off were not assimilated into Armenian society due to cultural and religious reasons as well.
Hell, you have a large diaspora in the Islamic republic of Iran currently who've had a history there for 4 centuries and they've remained isolated from Iranians.
FinalFlash
08-22-2020, 05:41 PM
Personally I do not think a gene pool can remain totally untouched for 3-4 thousand years. For 300-400 years - yes but 3,000? Sounds unlikely to me. Of course except if there were no other peoples around like in the Americas or interior Africa or on some islands.
Lone individuals can and have always been absorbed into the genepool. Hell, we've had Russians enter our gene pool as well but at the end of the way, it becomes diluted and virtually non-existent after a couple of generations. It isn't absolutely "untouched" per se, but by and large it has remained homogeneous for thousands of years. There hasn't been any significant alterations is the point here.
FinalFlash
08-22-2020, 05:46 PM
Aren't you originally from the Republic of Armenia? I remember you saying you left it for America with your parents at a very young age. Do you think the Eastern Armenians are not Caucasians (i.e. from the Caucasus)? In Russia Armenians are sometimes lumped together with Caucasians and not necessarily by Russians only.
I believe "Caucasian" is simply just a political designation that has gained popularity in the Rusosphere and has no real meaning from a cultural, societal, linguistic and historical perspective. Not even a genetics perspective tbh with you. I personally don't lump Armenians into any category because I find us to be quite unique relative to other ethnic groups, even neighboring ones. Yes, I'm aware that a lot of Dags among other ethnic groups classify us as a Caucasian ethnicity.
Bender1999
08-22-2020, 05:52 PM
If the Pontoc Caspian theory is true, personally i am believing in this, then Armenians are not „native“ in Anatolia. I use quotation marks because it is obvious that Armenians are native to Anatolia, like Turks btw, but they did not originated there. There were Pre-IE people in Anatolia, a lot, and it is most probable that nowadays Caucasian languages were related to them, especially Lazes. About Assyrians it would be maybe the same case like Armenians but they have deep history in SE-Anatolia, because of that i described them as „native“.
If Lazes and Armenians dont really show differences, then it means that either Lazes are Caucasianified Armenians or Armenians are Armenified Caucasians. Btw there are various theories about the origin of Armenians, even some claim they came from the west and not from the north, for example. After this language replacement it is possible that there weren’t a mixing process like Turks/Iranics(neighbors), but i doubt it.
I believe "Caucasian" is simply just a political designation that has gained popularity in the Rusosphere and has no real meaning from a cultural, societal, linguistic and historical perspective. Not even a genetics perspective tbh with you. I personally don't lump Armenians into any category because I find us to be quite unique relative to other ethnic groups, even neighboring ones. Yes, I'm aware that a lot of Dags among other ethnic groups classify us as a Caucasian ethnicity.
Well, it is a geographical term first and foremost. Also culturally Muslim Caucasians of different ethnicities are fairly similar to each other. Armenians aren't Caucasian in my view. As for genetics, I believe Georgians would be the purest as they score the highest amount of Caucasus of all.
FinalFlash
08-22-2020, 06:03 PM
Well, it is a geographical term first and foremost. Also culturally Muslim Caucasians of different ethnicities are fairly similar to each other. Armenians aren't Caucasian in my view. As for genetics, I believe Georgians would be the purest as they score the highest amount of Caucasus of all.
If Caucasian is synonymous with ancient CHG, then I would only consider Georgians(Abkhazians included) and possibly Adygheans as the only "true" Caucasians as they have lots of this DNA and is arguably their most important feature. Everyone else shouldn't be considered "Caucasian" even if a lot of us do have CHG admix. But we both agree Armenians aren't Caucasian. In my view, I just consider us our own thing, really. Call it arrogance or whatever but we are definitely our own category.
Trouble
08-22-2020, 11:39 PM
Personally I do not think a gene pool can remain totally untouched for 3-4 thousand years. For 300-400 years - yes but 3,000? Sounds unlikely to me. Of course except if there were no other peoples around like in the Americas or interior Africa or on some islands.
Probably not but 80-90% continuity from 2k years onward is totally possible. I think much of the levant is largely unchanged since the Islamic times.
Probably not but 80-90% continuity from 2k years onward is totally possible. I think much of the levant is largely unchanged since the Islamic times.
I didn't say a continuity is not possible, white British people are still similar to the British Bell Beakers. Anyway, that was a bit of nitpicking on my part.
Lucas
08-23-2020, 10:28 AM
Probably not but 80-90% continuity from 2k years onward is totally possible. I think much of the levant is largely unchanged since the Islamic times.
If Turkish rule doesn't affect those areas? Not exactly Turkish settlement but they resettled some groups for example. Or because of lack of borders on whole West Asia, some regions started to mix and now are different countries.
Demhat
09-10-2020, 02:15 AM
Yes, looking at those samples. And it is not obvious when we think about Mesopotamia (except northern and north-eastern frindges bordering Kurds).
Someone told me that in southern provinces were places of Muslim worship visited often by Persian pilgrims but if it is a case? I doubt. It is more complex and deeper.
I have been advocating this for years and years but some people claimed certain ethnic groups are only "native" to Mesopotamia and everyone else is an immigrant.
The fact that Baghdad, the name itself is of Parthian origin should tell us something. Iraqis are basically primarily a mix of some local Iranic tribes which have been ignored or forgotten by some people, incoming Arabians and some Assyrian/Syriac admixture. This is obvious when we look at the Iraqi samples which almost all of them are clearly Iranian shifted, often even more Iranic than Arabian.
Demhat
09-10-2020, 02:23 AM
that what we’re seeing is actually just largely native Mesopotamians results, and that modern Mandaeans and Assyrians simply are not representative of the original population within central and southern Iraq, who might’ve been more Iran_N shifted.
pssst:zip-lip: not so loud you might upset some people. Man the amount of times I had to listen to shit like "MuH NaTIvE iRaQiS, yOuR pEoPlE iNvAdErs fRoM iRaN"
The Mongols came in after the Arabs/Muslims had already taken the power and Abbasids were ruling Mesopotamia. So it is very unlikely the Mongols played a role in spreding these Iranic genes in Mesopotamia. I think the North and Center was always predominantly Iranic/Caucasian related. The South was probably a mix of Iran_Neolithic with later incoming Levantine genes. I assume the Sumerians were genetically quite similar to Elamites.
Trouble
09-10-2020, 03:08 AM
I have been advocating this for years and years but some people claimed certain ethnic groups are only "native" to Mesopotamia and everyone else is an immigrant.
The fact that Baghdad, the name itself is of Parthian origin should tell us something. Iraqis are basically primarily a mix of some local Iranic tribes which we have been ignored or forgotten by some people, incoming Arabians and some Assyrian/Syriac admixture. This is obvious when we look at the Iraqi samples which almost all of them are clearly Iranian shifted, often even more Iranic than Arabian.
This is the only explanation that makes any amount of sense. I never really considered the possibility of there being native local Iranic tribes living in Iraq(other than the Kurdish ones) and assumed that all Iranic influence had to come from Persian settlers. But that honestly cannot explain the widespread nature of such Iranic elements, especially in the south(which btw became Shiite only recently).
The results I’ve seen from places like Basra come out as like 70% Bedouin and 30% Persian or 65% Saudi 35% Azeri or something along those lines. The Arabian is totally expected because so many tribes have recent origin stories of being from the Najd, or so and so being from Yemen or the Syrian desert. What I have not seen AT ALL from the south is an Assyrian or Sabian base.
So I’ve got to ask, who were the Iranic tribes settled in Mesopotamia? And how did they supposedly come to dominate southern Iraq? Also who are Mandaeans if not the natives of the south? Why do central Iraqi Arabs often score like Assyrians?
The demography of S Iraq is quite complex. The Iranian shift and the significant Indian scores on calculators such as Harappa is a result of multiple events affecting the region. For sure much of the Iranian shift is old and a results of the Elamites inhabiting that region. We can add to that the extensive trading relations between Sumerians and Mohenjo Daro. Add to that sea trade between India, Iranian coastal and Basra.
There’s also some more recent migration from Iran due to Karbala and Najaf being so central to Shiaism. For ex the religious Iraqi figure head Ayatollah Sistani is originally from Sistan in E Iran.
Although I’m from Kurdistan I’ve lived extensively in baghdad, Najaf , Hilla and other parts of S Iraq and am quite familiar with S Iraq phenotype. Most can easily pass in the Indian subcontinent from north to south.
I’ve also noticed that the Indic phenotypes drop off sharply as you go west of the Tigris river
pssst:zip-lip: not so loud you might upset some people. Man the amount of times I had to listen to shit like "MuH NaTIvE iRaQiS, yOuR pEoPlE iNvAdErs fRoM iRaN"
The Mongols came in after the Arabs/Muslims had already taken the power and Abbasids were ruling Mesopotamia. So it is very unlikely the Mongols played a role in spreding these Iranic genes in Mesopotamia. I think the North and Center was always predominantly Iranic/Caucasian related. The South was probably a mix of Iran_Neolithic with later incoming Levantine genes. I assume the Sumerians were genetically quite similar to Elamites.
Well then if Borealis said so then it must be true! It’s beyond disgusting how Borealis took out his curry soaked dong and you just ate it whole like if it was your uncle’s. Your hatred for Assyrians has no boundaries.
As long as Assyrians, Mandaeans and Iraqi Jews exist they will be the only ones considered native to Mesopotamia. Arabs follow since they have some native Mesopotamian admixture. Kurds have ofcourse nothing to do with region, with their ethnogenesis happening in Western Iran along side their Persian bretheren. This is just common fact for you to acknowlegde cause we will be getting ancient genomes from Mesopotamia soon and I sincerly hope you’ll be here so I can witness your breakdown.
I’m so glad you bumped this thread. Which thread is next for you to keep showing your filthy biasdness?
Halgurd
09-10-2020, 03:32 PM
The demography of S Iraq is quite complex. The Iranian shift and the significant Indian scores on calculators such as Harappa is a result of multiple events affecting the region. For sure much of the Iranian shift is old and a results of the Elamites inhabiting that region. We can add to that the extensive trading relations between Sumerians and Mohenjo Daro. Add to that sea trade between India, Iranian coastal and Basra.
There’s also some more recent migration from Iran due to Karbala and Najaf being so central to Shiaism. For ex the religious Iraqi figure head Ayatollah Sistani is originally from Sistan in E Iran.
Although I’m from Kurdistan I’ve lived extensively in baghdad, Najaf , Hilla and other parts of S Iraq and am quite familiar with S Iraq phenotype. Most can easily pass in the Indian subcontinent from north to south.
I’ve also noticed that the Indic phenotypes drop off sharply as you go west of the Tigris river
That reminds me of an Indian guy I knew claiming "Persian ancestry from Mesopotamia"
Dr_Maul
09-10-2020, 04:26 PM
Borealis took out his curry soaked dong and you just ate it whole like if it was your uncle’s.
I can't breathe
pssst:zip-lip: not so loud you might upset some people. Man the amount of times I had to listen to shit like "MuH NaTIvE iRaQiS, yOuR pEoPlE iNvAdErs fRoM iRaN"
The Mongols came in after the Arabs/Muslims had already taken the power and Abbasids were ruling Mesopotamia. So it is very unlikely the Mongols played a role in spreding these Iranic genes in Mesopotamia. I think the North and Center was always predominantly Iranic/Caucasian related. The South was probably a mix of Iran_Neolithic with later incoming Levantine genes. I assume the Sumerians were genetically quite similar to Elamites.
do you currently live in kurdistan?
Trouble
09-11-2020, 11:26 PM
The demography of S Iraq is quite complex. The Iranian shift and the significant Indian scores on calculators such as Harappa is a result of multiple events affecting the region. For sure much of the Iranian shift is old and a results of the Elamites inhabiting that region. We can add to that the extensive trading relations between Sumerians and Mohenjo Daro. Add to that sea trade between India, Iranian coastal and Basra.
There’s also some more recent migration from Iran due to Karbala and Najaf being so central to Shiaism. For ex the religious Iraqi figure head Ayatollah Sistani is originally from Sistan in E Iran.
Although I’m from Kurdistan I’ve lived extensively in baghdad, Najaf , Hilla and other parts of S Iraq and am quite familiar with S Iraq phenotype. Most can easily pass in the Indian subcontinent from north to south.
I’ve also noticed that the Indic phenotypes drop off sharply as you go west of the Tigris river
I can’t help but wonder if that’s just a simple Iran_N shift. If you look at the site of Ganj Dareh in Iran which houses the remains of Iranian Neolithic people you’ll see that it’s located just slightly north of lower Mesopotamia. The two rivers follow a course that goes not only south but east as well so lower Mesopotamia could have naturally been more Iran_N shifted too. Also, there would be a gene flow between upper Mesopotamia and the upper Levant because the plains in between the two areas were hospitable and there’s the river Euphrates joining the two, there is a perfect cline from Mosul to Latakia. On the other hand lower Mesopotamia was separated from the lower Levant by hundreds of miles of uninhabitable desert. Their only contact was to the Elamites and Iranians to the East therefore resulting in retaining more Iran_N.
Well then if Borealis said so then it must be true! It’s beyond disgusting how Borealis took out his curry soaked dong and you just ate it whole like if it was your uncle’s. Your hatred for Assyrians has no boundaries.
As long as Assyrians, Mandaeans and Iraqi Jews exist they will be the only ones considered native to Mesopotamia. Arabs follow since they have some native Mesopotamian admixture. Kurds have ofcourse nothing to do with region, with their ethnogenesis happening in Western Iran along side their Persian bretheren. This is just common fact for you to acknowlegde cause we will be getting ancient genomes from Mesopotamia soon and I sincerly hope you’ll be here so I can witness your breakdown.
I’m so glad you bumped this thread. Which thread is next for you to keep showing your filthy biasdness?
1) No, that would hurt to soak in cause curry is generally spicy.
2) I do not think he was referring to Kurds when he spoke of these lost Iranic tribes.
3) when are these ancient genomes coming?
I can’t help but wonder if that’s just a simple Iran_N shift. If you look at the site of Ganj Dareh in Iran which houses the remains of Iranian Neolithic people you’ll see that it’s located just slightly north of lower Mesopotamia. The two rivers follow a course that goes not only south but east as well so lower Mesopotamia could have naturally been more Iran_N shifted too. Also, there would be a gene flow between upper Mesopotamia and the upper Levant because the plains in between the two areas were hospitable and there’s the river Euphrates joining the two, there is a perfect cline from Mosul to Latakia. On the other hand lower Mesopotamia was separated from the lower Levant by hundreds of miles of uninhabitable desert. Their only contact was to the Elamites and Iranians to the East therefore resulting in retaining more Iran_N.
Lol at it being a neolithic shift. It's pretty obvious the high Iran_N in Iraqi Arabs is due to recent Persian admixture. PPN Mesopotamia might be a threeway mix between Ganj Dareh, Natufian and Barcin. Also Mandeans and Iraqi Jews score more Natufian than us Assyrians despite being southern Mesopotamians so your theory doesn't hold up. Same with SW Iranians having as much Natufian if not more than Armenians.
3) when are these ancient genomes coming?
I don't know when but I know they are being analyzed so hopefully soon.
Trouble
09-12-2020, 10:30 PM
Lol at it being a neolithic shift. It's pretty obvious the high Iran_N in Iraqi Arabs is due to recent Persian admixture. PPN Mesopotamia might be a threeway mix between Ganj Dareh, Natufian and Barcin. Also Mandeans and Iraqi Jews score more Natufian than us Assyrians despite being southern Mesopotamians so your theory doesn't hold up. Same with SW Iranians having as much Natufian if not more than Armenians.
For the last time Iraqi Jews have a Levantine shift due to being, well, Jews. As for Mandos I posited the theory they might be from central as opposed to southern, Sumerian Mesopotamia. The Sumerians were linked to the Elamites who in turn were immediately south of Ganj Dareh and may have been mostly Iran_N people.
I don't know when but I know they are being analyzed so hopefully soon.
Source?
For the last time Iraqi Jews have a Levantine shift due to being, well, Jews. As for Mandos I posited the theory they might be from central as opposed to southern, Sumerian Mesopotamia. The Sumerians were linked to the Elamites who in turn were immediately south of Ganj Dareh and may have been mostly Iran_N people.
Mandeans and Iraqi Jews have more Iran_N than us that's for sure, but they can't be the sole source of it to Iraqi Arabs who score similar amounts despite having significant Arab admix. There's no way around it.
The Sumerians are not linked to Elamites don't make stuf up. The most probable theory for the origin of Sumerians is them being descendants of the earlier Samarra culture of north-central Mesopotamia. Neither Elamites nor Sumerians were pred. Iran_N, Western Iran shifted significantly west with influnces from the Halaf-Ubaid cultures during the early Copper Age.
Target: IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
Distance: 2.9181% / 0.02918102
48.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
25.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
13.0 Levant_PPNC
12.8 GEO_CHG
That's what early Elamites will look like. So barely 50% Iran_N. Sumerians will probably be even further shifted towards Levant/Anatolia.
Source?
It's a second hand source.
Trouble
09-13-2020, 12:27 AM
Mandeans and Iraqi Jews have more Iran_N than us that's for sure, but they can't be the sole source of it to Iraqi Arabs who score similar amounts despite having significant Arab admix. There's no way around it.
The Sumerians are not linked to Elamites don't make stuf up. The most probable theory for the origin of Sumerians is them being descendants of the earlier Samarra culture of north-central Mesopotamia. Neither Elamites nor Sumerians were pred. Iran_N, Western Iran shifted significantly west with influnces from the Halaf-Ubaid cultures during the early Copper Age.
Target: IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
Distance: 2.9181% / 0.02918102
48.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
25.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
13.0 Levant_PPNC
12.8 GEO_CHG
That's what early Elamites will look like. So barely 50% Iran_N. Sumerians will probably be even further shifted towards Levant/Anatolia.
It's a second hand source.
Only looking at the Iran_N. But there’s also an extra 12% CHG which is related to Iran_N. So in reality closer to 60% Iran-N like ancestry. That’s far from Iran_N dominated like I imagined but still a lot higher than the people of the region currently other than perhaps southeast Iranians(Baloch-like).
Let’s wait and see. Tired of speculating now.
Halgurd
09-13-2020, 12:54 AM
We already have some Mesopotamian mtdna samples:
mtDNA from the Early Bronze Age to the Roman Period Suggests a Genetic Link between the Indian Subcontinent and Mesopotamian Cradle of Civilization
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3770703/
We anticipate that the analysed remains from Mesopotamia belonged to people with genetic affinity to the Indian subcontinent since the distribution of identified ancient haplotypes indicates solid link with populations from the region of South Asia-Tibet (Trans-Himalaya).
indicates that people from Indus Valley were present in southern Mesopotamia 3 Kyrs BC [37].
We already have some Mesopotamian mtdna samples:
mtDNA from the Early Bronze Age to the Roman Period Suggests a Genetic Link between the Indian Subcontinent and Mesopotamian Cradle of Civilization
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3770703/
We anticipate that the analysed remains from Mesopotamia belonged to people with genetic affinity to the Indian subcontinent since the distribution of identified ancient haplotypes indicates solid link with populations from the region of South Asia-Tibet (Trans-Himalaya).
indicates that people from Indus Valley were present in southern Mesopotamia 3 Kyrs BC [37].
Interesting that time period coincides with Indus Valley Civilization. We know there was extensive trading between IVC and Mesopotamia. The indic phenotype in S Iraq and their high S Indian scores could be linked to that or it vould also be coastal trade with India
Those M Mtdna haplogroups are typical Indian subcontinent
Dated to the period between 2.5 Kyrs BC and 0.5 Kyrs AD the studied individuals carried mtDNA haplotypes corresponding to the M4b1, M49 and/or M61 haplogroups, which are believed to have arisen in the area of the Indian subcontinent during the Upper Paleolithic and are absent in people living today in Syria. However, they are present in people inhabiting today’s Tibet, Himalayas, India and Pakistan. We anticipate that the analysed remains from Mesopotamia belonged to people with genetic affinity to the Indian subcontinent since the distribution of identified ancient haplotypes indicates solid link with populations from the region of South Asia-Tibet (Trans-Himalaya).
We already have some Mesopotamian mtdna samples:
mtDNA from the Early Bronze Age to the Roman Period Suggests a Genetic Link between the Indian Subcontinent and Mesopotamian Cradle of Civilization
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3770703/
We anticipate that the analysed remains from Mesopotamia belonged to people with genetic affinity to the Indian subcontinent since the distribution of identified ancient haplotypes indicates solid link with populations from the region of South Asia-Tibet (Trans-Himalaya).
indicates that people from Indus Valley were present in southern Mesopotamia 3 Kyrs BC [37].
Also from the same study
They may have been descendants of migrants from much earlier times, spreading the clades of the macrohaplogroup M throughout Eurasia and founding regional Mesopotamian groups like that of Terqa or just merchants moving along trade routes passing near or through the region.
It’s obviously they were traders of some sort since their mtDna is not present among any people in the mideast. Two of these are from the late Roman period and the other two are supposedly from the Bronze Age, but none is carbon dated. So we can’t be sure.
Halgurd
09-13-2020, 11:03 AM
Either these were merchants, or the Sumerians and early Mesopotamians were a group with genetic affinity to the Indian subcontinent. Lets see what following studies will provide.
Gota_type_
09-13-2020, 12:30 PM
Many of them get 1-2% of "Baltic". It is obviously wrong but just coincides with the many problems that some ethnicities have in regards of the real origin of some alleles. The labeling of those alleles in crucial to get populations well defined.
It is like people from Mongolia get 1-2% "Finnish".
Or people from NW Spain get the highest in "North African" in all of Spain, when ZERO north africans have lived here ever.
The labeling produces many mistakes and then they can make people take rare conclussions about a country.
Many of them get 1-2% of "Baltic". It is obviously wrong but just coincides with the many problems that some ethnicities have in regards of the real origin of some alleles. The labeling of those alleles in crucial to get populations well defined.
It is like people from Mongolia get 1-2% "Finnish".
Or people from NW Spain get the highest in "North African" in all of Spain, when ZERO north africans have lived here ever.
The labeling produces many mistakes and then they can make people take rare conclussions about a country.
You obviously know nothing about DNA testing. There's some Steppe ancestry in Iraq and there's nothing "wrong" with that.
Gota_type_
09-13-2020, 03:08 PM
You obviously know nothing about DNA testing. There's some Steppe ancestry in Iraq and there's nothing "wrong" with that.
You obvious know nothing about DNA testing AND about how to understand simple words.
I said "Baltic". If "steppe" means ONLY Baltic then the "Baltic" is misleading. It would be like saying that "ENF" is ONLY "Turkish" for example. They are 2 different groups of terminology.
So again, "Baltic" is EXACTLY as wrong as is "Finnish" in Mongol DNA results or "NorthAfrican" in Spanish DNA results. So, it is you who have zero knowledge of what other people are saying.
You obvious know nothing about DNA testing AND about how to understand simple words.
I said "Baltic". If "steppe" means ONLY Baltic then the "Baltic" is misleading. It would be like saying that "ENF" is ONLY "Turkish" for example. They are 2 different groups of terminology.
So again, "Baltic" is EXACTLY as wrong as is "Finnish" in Mongol DNA results or "NorthAfrican" in Spanish DNA results. So, it is you who have zero knowledge of what other people are saying.
Dude, just leave. No need to spam.
Many of them get 1-2% of "Baltic". It is obviously wrong but just coincides with the many problems that some ethnicities have in regards of the real origin of some alleles. The labeling of those alleles in crucial to get populations well defined.
It is like people from Mongolia get 1-2% "Finnish".
Or people from NW Spain get the highest in "North African" in all of Spain, when ZERO north africans have lived here ever.
The labeling produces many mistakes and then they can make people take rare conclussions about a country.
Your disappointment will be not be that high with DNA test results if you understand it's not an exact science. So if you see something like an Iraqi with 2% Baltic you should think to yourself why would an Iraqi score 2% Baltic if they don't have any recent Baltic ancestry. What ancestry do Baltics and Iraqis share that would cause them to get 2% . Is it Steppe ? Is it EEF? Is the 23andme chip biased? So if you start thinking this way then the results will make more sense to you.
Also N Africans don't have to go to N Spain to leave their genes there. All they would have to do is go to S Spain and then the Spanish would spread their genes to N Spain.
You should also be suspicious of anything less than 2%. For example one of my low E Eurasian Iraqi Kurd samples tested with both 23andme V4 and V5. On Dodecad K12 V4 showed it with 1.5% Siberian, 0% E Asian, 1.5% SE Asian, 2% S Indian, whereas V5 showed it with 1.5% Siberian, 1.5% E Asian, 0% SE Asian, 2% S Indian. In this case we can conclude that the V4 chip was designed to differentiate various European ancestries amongst Europeans and not so much differentiate the various Asian ancestries as accurately whereas the V5 does a better job at parsing the Asian ancestries.
If your original post referred to S Indian in S Iraqis we are not talking 1 or 2%, S Iraqis score 7-10% S Indian.
Either these were merchants, or the Sumerians and early Mesopotamians were a group with genetic affinity to the Indian subcontinent. Lets see what following studies will provide.
With the S Iraqis scoring that significant S Indian I think there diffinitely is some genetic affinity between them and India.
Halgurd
09-13-2020, 06:16 PM
With the S Iraqis scoring that significant S Indian I think there diffinitely is some genetic affinity between them and India.
I think it's very plausible that the Sumerians and other early Mesopotamians had genetic affinity to the Indian subcontinent. I have even seen some linguistic evidence for this.
Iraqis score genuine south Asian mainly due to Iranian admixture. Most of the R-Z93 in Iraq is nested within in Iranian-Indian diversity and it’s recent. Some Iraqis also have recent Indian ancestry. Iraq Arabs are diverse cause of ongoing Admixture with various muslims ever since the fall of the Caliphate.
Gota_type_
09-14-2020, 09:01 PM
That is precisely what I am saying. That the "Baltic" is not baltic as the NorthAfrican in Spaniards is not NorthAfrican or the Finnish in the Mongols is not from Finland. That is a matter of labels of certain DNA segments and in some cases they are mistaken. Since they don´t know how to label them or what is the REAL origin they just go to the easy way and say that certain DNA segments are "Baltic" or "NorthAfrican", when in reality most of the times is just prehistoric shared ancestry and not really admixture. That is what I was explaining to that Leto but he did not get it.
Your disappointment will be not be that high with DNA test results if you understand it's not an exact science. So if you see something like an Iraqi with 2% Baltic you should think to yourself why would an Iraqi score 2% Baltic if they don't have any recent Baltic ancestry. What ancestry do Baltics and Iraqis share that would cause them to get 2% . Is it Steppe ? Is it EEF? Is the 23andme chip biased? So if you start thinking this way then the results will make more sense to you.
Also N Africans don't have to go to N Spain to leave their genes there. All they would have to do is go to S Spain and then the Spanish would spread their genes to N Spain.
You should also be suspicious of anything less than 2%. For example one of my low E Eurasian Iraqi Kurd samples tested with both 23andme V4 and V5. On Dodecad K12 V4 showed it with 1.5% Siberian, 0% E Asian, 1.5% SE Asian, 2% S Indian, whereas V5 showed it with 1.5% Siberian, 1.5% E Asian, 0% SE Asian, 2% S Indian. In this case we can conclude that the V4 chip was designed to differentiate various European ancestries amongst Europeans and not so much differentiate the various Asian ancestries as accurately whereas the V5 does a better job at parsing the Asian ancestries.
If your original post referred to S Indian in S Iraqis we are not talking 1 or 2%, S Iraqis score 7-10% S Indian.
That is precisely what I am saying. That the "Baltic" is not baltic as the NorthAfrican in Spaniards is not NorthAfrican or the Finnish in the Mongols is not from Finland. That is a matter of labels of certain DNA segments and in some cases they are mistaken. Since they don´t know how to label them or what is the REAL origin they just go to the easy way and say that certain DNA segments are "Baltic" or "NorthAfrican", when in reality most of the times is just prehistoric shared ancestry and not really admixture. That is what I was explaining to that Leto but he did not get it.
How many times are you gonna mention "Finnish in Mongols"? Spaniards do have North African in them because Spain is right next to North Africa, duh. It may or may not be exactly "Moorish" but it is North African nevertheless, whereas Mongols have literally no connection to Finland, it's almost the opposite sides of Eurasia. Also, show me proof of that claim, what kind of test is that to begin with?
Dr_Maul
09-14-2020, 09:24 PM
I think it's very plausible that the Sumerians and other early Mesopotamians had genetic affinity to the Indian subcontinent. I have even seen some linguistic evidence for this.
People have connected the Elamite language to some form of Dravidian family, I am not sure how reliable it is but if its true then that is probably why
Halgurd
09-14-2020, 11:29 PM
People have connected the Elamite language to some form of Dravidian family, I am not sure how reliable it is but if its true then that is probably why
I myself used to be very skeptical of such theories, but perhaps there is some truth to it? It would explain the south asian levels we see in Iranian and Iraqi populations.
Gota_type_
09-15-2020, 10:18 PM
How many times are you gonna mention "Finnish in Mongols"? Spaniards do have North African in them because Spain is right next to North Africa, duh. It may or may not be exactly "Moorish" but it is North African nevertheless, whereas Mongols have literally no connection to Finland, it's almost the opposite sides of Eurasia. Also, show me proof of that claim, what kind of test is that to begin with?
"You obviously know nothing about DNA testing"
These women from MONGOLIA have some segments of their DNA labeled as FINNISH. And with the same reasoning, the "NorthAfrican" in Spain is not Northafrican but IBERIAN PREHISTORIC, which is shared between all caucasoid populations (northafricans 5000 years ago were as White as the people living in Europa. And that is the cause that Galicians (NW of Spain with ZERO muslims or northafricans EVER, not even any remains, ceramics, or whatever from northafrica here) score the highest """"NorthAfrican""" in Spain.
But it is not northafrican, it is just iberian prehistoric that went to live to NorthAfrica 5000 years ago and now some retarded "scientific" has labeled certain segments as "NorthAfrican", and if a Spaniard does a DNA test some of his segments are "Northafrican" just because of the stupid labeling (the same with the Mongolians getting Finnish). It would be extremely absurd that Galicians score higher NorthAfrican (like 3 or 4 times more) than people from Cadiz, 14 kms away from NorthAfrica.
For most Spaniards getting that fake "Northafrican" would mean that there were living here a % of northafricans that would have represented a big amount of the natives of ALL of Spain (north-south-east-west), when nobody have ever found any kind of archaelogoy, ceramic, or anything related to northafrica in any part of Spain. ZERO. So, now you get the issue of the wrong labelings? Get lost then, as you said. So, why galician the highest? Because it is the most endogamic región in Spain and conserve the oldest genetics best. But it is not "Northafrican" it is just Iberian Neolithic. BTW I am Spaniard and I get ZERO NorthAfrican. And like me millions. Anyways it would not matter since in reality is not northafrican but ancient iberian wrongoly labeled as "northafrican".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLjcQuLfoic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yNIVlfWawI
Gota_type_
09-15-2020, 10:19 PM
[yh
Trouble
10-04-2020, 01:13 AM
Has anyone tried running these through the Gedrosia K12 calculator on gedmatch? I don't know why it's underused but it's very relevant because it actually has an Iraqi Arab reference(from Baghdad). The majority of these samples cluster with that Iraqi Arab sample and close after that with Mandaeans, Chaldaeans, Iraqi Jews, and to a lesser extent Assyrians. Some of them cluster with Mandaeans or Iraqi Jews even before Iraqi Arabs. However, they often do have extra SSA which MAY be what's pushing them away from the minority groups on other calculators. Kit T669610 from Dhi Qar(southern Iraq):
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.2% Iraqi_Mandaeans + 9.8% Ethiopian_Jew @ 3.31
2 89% Iraqi_Chaldeans + 11% Ethiopian_Jew @ 3.85
3 92.9% Iraqi_Mandaeans + 7.1% Somali @ 4.16
Maybe the native descent theory is valid after all?
Halgurd
10-04-2020, 03:44 PM
Maybe the native descent theory is valid after all?
We will know for sure when we get Mesopotamian genomes, but most, if not all, major Iraqi Arab tribes claim origins from what is now Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan etc. There are clues in tribal stories.
Negah
10-04-2020, 03:46 PM
T644104 Mustafa Alsa3idi (IQ-Maysan)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.03
2 West_Asian 23.07
3 Red_Sea 19.73
4 South_Asian 8.08
5 West_Med 4.43
6 Northeast_African 3.05
7 Sub-Saharan 2.76
8 Baltic 1.94
9 Oceanian 0.8
10 Siberian 0.1
51.2% Iranian + 48.8% Saudi @ 3.6
Ahmad Nima Alhasnawi (IQ-Maysan)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.35
2 West_Asian 24.44
3 Red_Sea 17.39
4 South_Asian 7.56
5 West_Med 6.2
6 Northeast_African 4.48
7 North_Atlantic 2.89
8 Sub-Saharan 0.58
9 East_Asian 0.11
55.5% Iranian + 44.5% Saudi @ 4.7
Maysan governorate
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Maysan_in_Iraq.svg/471px-Maysan_in_Iraq.svg.png
They are most likely Shia Arabs.
Maysan is right next to Khuzestan Province of Iran. So the result does not surprise me. The population is Shia but most of the people there (based on what I have read ) are Marsh Arabs who many historians have proposed a possible Sumerian connection with the Marsh Arabs.
Negah
10-04-2020, 03:49 PM
Erbil Turkmen - very high red sea amount
Kit BJ4637261
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.93
2 West_Asian 30.48
3 Red_Sea 12.53
4 West_Med 7.78
5 South_Asian 7.15
6 Baltic 2.44
7 Northeast_African 1.99
8 Sub-Saharan 1.5
9 Oceanian 1.15
10 North_Atlantic 0.88
11 East_Asian 0.87
12 Siberian 0.3
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian_Jewish 8.78
2 Georgian_Jewish 9.03
3 Assyrian 9.24
4 Kurdish_Jewish 9.28
5 Iranian 10.21
6 Azeri 10.39
7 Syrian 11.05
8 Turkish 11.43
9 Kurdish 11.72
10 Lebanese_Muslim 11.75
11 Armenian 12.17
12 Jordanian 15.08
13 Palestinian 17.04
14 Lebanese_Druze 17.4
15 Lebanese_Christian 17.58
16 Cyprian 17.87
17 Samaritan 18.05
18 Bedouin 18.4
19 Turkmen 21.61
20 Kumyk 21.97
Looks like a mixed person of Iranian and Assyrian ancestry perhaps
Negah
10-04-2020, 03:55 PM
Yes, Mongol depopulation scenario and Persian resettlement fits well.
Show me a good source where a large number of Persian speakers settled in Iraq. Persians have always had extensive sway over Mesepoatimia but never have Persians replaced the population there. If that was the case then Iraq would be a Persian speaking country. There is a big difference between influence in a region and overwhelming a region.
The majority of the region from what I have read has always been non-Persian.
Negah
10-04-2020, 03:58 PM
I find it hard to believe the entire Arab population was decimated, whilst Assyrians, Mandeans and Iraqi Jews persisted. The Iraqis in G25 spreadsheet do pick up some Iraqi Jewish and they are from south and west Iraq.
From Arbil.
I remember my great-grandparents and their parents in their times Turkish, the local Turkish dialect I presume was the most important language to know for them. Nowadays it has shifted to Arabic mostly.
I don't think it was otherwise other groups would have contested for the region. Iran was even more devastated by the Mongols but that did not change its demographic to a large degree. A lot of nonsensical assumptions are being made IMO.
StonyArabia
10-04-2020, 04:06 PM
Iraq had several migration period in its history. The real indigenous Iraqis would have been very similar to Assyrians and Mandeans. Both of these population show truly ancient Mesopotamian origins.
Most of the Persian admixture in Iraq is actually very recent. Even when Iraq was under Persian rule society was very segregated. The southern parts of Iraq had always strong connections to the Arabian peninsula. This how the large Tayy tribe came in and settled. Before them the Lakhmids.
The population of Iraq was still very Mesopotamian like until the Mongol invasion which would shift Iraq into more Arabian influenced region. After the Mongol invasion, Persian migration to Iraq was quite common. There was two waves of Persian migration to Iraq. During the rise of the Safavids, however Persian migration increases when the Afghans attack Persia and sending the religious clerks into Iraq. Until the Afghans are defeated the religious clerks return to Iran, but a significant Persian community forms. Then another Persian migration to Iraq comes in via during Qajar times when Iran is very much weak economically and politically.
Persian ancestry drops in Western regions of Iraq, where North Arabian like ancestry predominate.
North Iraq also had several waves of migration. The Mo gold changed Iraq’s demographics forever.
Negah
10-04-2020, 04:24 PM
No, it doesn't make sense because most Persian settlement would have happened pre mongols(except for the shrine cities). Before the Mongols, Mesopotamia was the crown jewel of the Islamic empire with the capital Baghdad and an extensive agricultural network and therefore it would have attracted the most Persian settlement at this time, whereas afterwards it became a backwater.
Tribal Arabs seldom mix. Arabs here can confirm this but they seldom mix. It is the nontribal Arabs who Mix with other groups. Iran has had influence over Iraq since the time of Achaemenids, but it has not been a continuous influence.
Iran was mainly a Sunni country. Hanafi Sunni is the Iranian version of Islam]. This is the version of Islam that eventually spread over South Asia, Central Asia, and Anatolia.
Shiism was always present in Iran since the coming of the religion and there existed many important centers in Iran, but it was the Hanafi version of Islam that was dominant.
It was after the 16th century that Shiasm spread in Iran by the efforts of the Safavid. It was also during this period that Southern Iraq became part of Iran; however, it did not last because the Ottomans eventually would defeat Iran and Iraq would become part of their empire.
Iraq even though was the home to many Shia holy centers was also not a Shia country. But Najaf and Karbala were centers of Shia studies and many Shia schools were centered there. Therefore, a large number of Iranians would go there to study.
Since the late 18th century, most of Iraq's Sunni Arab tribes converted to Shia Islam (particularly in the 19th century). During the 19th century, the Ottoman Empire instituted a policy of settling the nomadic Sunni Arab tribes to create greater centralization in Iraq.[8] The tribes adopted a sedentary agricultural life in the hinterlands of Najaf and Karbala or traded (and interacted with) the residents of the two cities.[9][10]
Some Sunni Arab tribes converted to protest their treatment by the Sunni Ottomans.[11] Shia missionaries from Najaf and Karbala operated with relative freedom from the Ottoman Empire and could proselytize with little official hindrance.[12]
The conversions continued into the 20th century, as the British noted in 1917.[13][14] Many Iraqi Shia are relatively-recent converts.[15] The following tribes were converted during this period:[7] some of the Zubaid,[16][17] Banu Lam, al bu Muhammad, many of the Rabiah (including al-Dafaf'a, Bani Amir and al-Jaghayfa), Banu Tamim[17] (including the Bani Sa’d, their largest group in Iraq), the Shammar Toga,[17] some of the Dulaim, the Zafir, the Dawwar, the Sawakin, the al-Muntafiq confederation,[18] the Bani Hasan (of the Bani Malik),[9] the Bani Hukayyim, the Shibil of the Khazal, the al Fatla,[19] the tribes along the Al-Hindiya canal, and the five tribes of Al Diwaniyah (Aqra’, Budayyir, Afak, Jubur and Jilaiha) which relied on the Daghara canal for water. The Shia opposed Mandatory Iraq and its Sunni monarchy.
Many of the missionaries that the paragraph above refers to were these clerics of Iranian origin that would settle there and spread Shiism in iraq.
Trouble
10-04-2020, 04:32 PM
I don't think it was otherwise other groups would have contested for the region. Iran was even more devastated by the Mongols but that did not change its demographic to a large degree. A lot of nonsensical assumptions are being made IMO.
Not the Iranian plateau itself but Afghanistan and Central Asia saw heavy population replacement by Turko-Mongolic peoples.
Before that it was mainly Caucasoid and later became a mixed region.
Negah
10-04-2020, 04:35 PM
Iraq had several migration period in its history. The real indigenous Iraqis would have been very similar to Assyrians and Mandeans. Both of these population show truly ancient Mesopotamian origins.
Most of the Persian admixture in Iraq is actually very recent. Even when Iraq was under Persian rule society was very segregated. The southern parts of Iraq had always strong connections to the Arabian peninsula. This how the large Tayy tribe came in and settled. Before them the Lakhmids.
The population of Iraq was still very Mesopotamian like until the Mongol invasion which would shift Iraq into more Arabian influenced region. After the Mongol invasion, Persian migration to Iraq was quite common. There was two waves of Persian migration to Iraq. During the rise of the Safavids, however Persian migration increases when the Afghans attack Persia and sending the religious clerks into Iraq. Until the Afghans are defeated the religious clerks return to Iran, but a significant Persian community forms. Then another Persian migration to Iraq comes in via during Qajar times when Iran is very much weak economically and politically.
Persian ancestry drops in Western regions of Iraq, where North Arabian like ancestry predominate.
North Iraq also had several waves of migration. The Mo gold changed Iraq’s demographics forever.
Before the rise of Islam, Arabs were a very insignificant group who lived on the fringe of Sassanid and Byzantium empires and it was the post-Islamic period where significant Arab Empires were established ( Rashidun, Ommayd, and Abbasid, etc). Ghassanid and Lakhamid were Arab client states of Byzantium and Sassanid respectively.
Part of Iraq is surely more connected to the Arabs the Penisula and their traditions than Iran. Iraq is a diverse land.
Negah
10-04-2020, 04:44 PM
Not the Iranian plateau itself but Afghanistan and Central Asia saw heavy population replacement by Turko-Mongolic peoples.
Before that it was mainly Caucasoid and later became a mixed region.
IlKhanate ruled all over the Iranian plateau. You are correct Mongols invasion devasted Bukhara, Samarkand, Herat, Balkh, etc what is today Northern Afghanistan and Central Asia. But cities like Isfahan, Rayy (near Tehran), Tabriz, etc were just as bad devasted as those cities. My point is that Western Iran was not spared by them.
Trouble
10-04-2020, 04:49 PM
IlKhanate ruled all over the Iranian plateau. You are correct Mongols invasion devasted Bukhara, Samarkand, Herat, Balkh, etc what is today Northern Afghanistan and Central Asia. But cities like Isfahan, Rayy (near Tehran), Tabriz, etc were just as bad devasted as those cities. My point is that Western Iran was not spared by them.
Western Iran is highly mountainous and far removed from nomadic Turkic populations or Arabs.
Negah
10-04-2020, 04:51 PM
I think it's very plausible that the Sumerians and other early Mesopotamians had genetic affinity to the Indian subcontinent. I have even seen some linguistic evidence for this.
How widespread is the genetic affinity of Southern Iraqis with South Asians based on the Iraqis that you have seen? Then how is it that Assyrians and Jews of Iraq, Iran, Azerbaijan, etc) don't show much genetic affinity with South Asians?
Trouble
10-04-2020, 05:00 PM
How widespread is the genetic affinity of Southern Iraqis with South Asians based on the Iraqis that you have seen? Then how is it that Assyrians and Jews of Iraq, Iran, Azerbaijan, etc) don't show much genetic affinity with South Asians?
Assyrians and Iraqi Jews don’t descend from Sumerians.
Negah
10-04-2020, 05:03 PM
Western Iran is highly mountainous and far removed from nomadic Turkic populations or Arabs.
Historical demographers Tertius Chandler and Gerald Fox give the following estimations for the populations of the empire's major cities at the beginning of the 13th century, which adds up to at least 520,000 and at most 850,000 people:[37]
Samarkand: 80,000–100,000
Nishapur: 70,000
Rayy/Rey: 100,000
Isfahan: 80,000
Merv: 70,000
Balkh: c. 30,000
Bost: c. 40,000
Herat: c. 40,000
Otrar, Urgench, and Bukhara: unknown, but less than 70,000[38]
As you can see Isfahan or Rayy were devasted much worse than many Eastern cities.
I think the Mongols devasted the Eastern Iranian plateau because it is much more fragile than the western region. The western region is greener and less Arid. It is also less mountainous
Negah
10-04-2020, 05:06 PM
Assyrians and Iraqi Jews don’t descend from Sumerians.
it is interesting that these two groups show none though. They lived next to each other.
Halgurd
10-04-2020, 06:31 PM
How widespread is the genetic affinity of Southern Iraqis with South Asians based on the Iraqis that you have seen? Then how is it that Assyrians and Jews of Iraq, Iran, Azerbaijan, etc) don't show much genetic affinity with South Asians?
Most important thing is to consider whether or not these South Asian levels in Iraqis are ASI. e.g Iranians score a lot of South Asian but only a minority (if any) of this would be ASI.
It is difficult to believe that these South Asian levels can be attributed entirely to South Asian merchants.
Negah
10-04-2020, 06:38 PM
Most important thing is to consider whether or not these South Asian levels in Iraqis are ASI. e.g Iranians score a lot of South Asian but only a minority (if any) of this would be ASI.
It is difficult to believe that these South Asian levels can be attributed entirely to South Asian merchants.
This is a very good point.
Fedora
10-04-2020, 07:36 PM
From what I've seen only Arabs from southeastern Turkey(Mardin,Siirt, Batman) show Assyrian like admixture, but they are still different for example they score higher NE.
Trouble
10-05-2020, 02:11 AM
Another thought, SSA levels in south Iraqis seem to be rather high on average. Some are coming out as over 10% East African. That's higher than Yemenis I think. Not to mention there is a large portion of Iraqis of predominantly African descent living around Basra. it's too high to be accounted for by migration from Arabia which would've mostly been bedouins who are low SSA anyway. Most of that SSA would be Zanj related and pre-Mongol I'm thinking, so perhaps there wasn't as big of a population replacement as we thought.
Trouble
10-05-2020, 06:31 PM
Update, just tried out some kits from Anbar(western Iraq) I got from my friend. They seem hardly differentiable from other Iraqi Arabs. Maybe a little western shifted. I don't know where from in the province because it's huge but I seriously doubt there was any significant Persian settlement anywhere there. So perhaps this broader "Iraqi Arab" cluster largely just consists of Arabized natives with extra SSA and steppe as alluded to above, with a few individuals deviating away from it depending on recent foreign ancestry.
1 96% Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad + 4% Sardinian @ 3.3
Another thought, SSA levels in south Iraqis seem to be rather high on average. Some are coming out as over 10% East African. That's higher than Yemenis I think. Not to mention there is a large portion of Iraqis of predominantly African descent living around Basra. it's too high to be accounted for by migration from Arabia which would've mostly been bedouins who are low SSA anyway. Most of that SSA would be Zanj related and pre-Mongol I'm thinking, so perhaps there wasn't as big of a population replacement as we thought.
Yemenis are like 20% black if I remember correctly. 10% would be a low score in Yemen.
Trouble
10-05-2020, 07:22 PM
Yemenis are like 20% black if I remember correctly. 10% would be a low score in Yemen.
You're right now that I checked. I think it's between 10-16% actually. Egyptians and North Africans are the ones who can be 20% ore more black on average.
You're right now that I checked. I think it's between 10-16% actually. Egyptians and North Africans are the ones who can be 20% ore more black on average.
Yemenis look darker than Egyptians though. At least I imagine them looking like a cross between Arabians and Horners. Maybe only parts of Yemen are like that.
Trouble
10-05-2020, 08:53 PM
Yemenis look darker than Egyptians though. At least I imagine them looking like a cross between Arabians and Horners. Maybe only parts of Yemen are like that.
Most Egyptians are from the Nile River delta which is in northern Egypt and has been affected continuously by migrations from the Levant. Yemen is practically bordering Somalia.
Trouble
10-18-2020, 11:23 PM
Ok I think I have come to a conclusion. Basically, Iraqi Arabs are too mixed for any regular gedmatch oracle to give a precise measure of their ancestry. They are majorly a mix of native Mesopotamian and Persian elements, with Arabian and east African also being important(especially in the south). That's four distinct components which are not split evenly and so the calculator gets confused and you end up with senseless oracles like "70% Jordanian 30% Pashtun". We should use the calculators on Vahaduo for this instead using relevant source populations.
K13
Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 274.0235% / 2.74023507
48.6 Assyrian_South
19.0 Iran_Bandari
15.2 Yemenite_Jewish
13.8 Iranian
3.4 Somali
MDLP K23b
Target: Iraki
Distance: 613.0526% / 6.13052555
40.0 Iraqi_Chaldean
37.4 Iranian
18.4 Yemenite_Jew
4.2 Sudanese
Gedrosia K12
Target: Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad
Distance: 327.3549% / 3.27354914
67.6 Iraqi_Chaldeans
25.8 Iranian
5.2 Yemenite_Jew
1.4 Somali
Basically, my original theory seems to be correct. That in medieval times there was extensive mixing between native Mesopotamians and Persians, and that while that original founding population was decimated during the Mongols, it wasn't wiped out entirely and it still forms the majority of Iraqi Muslim ancestry. After that, Arabian tribes entered and mixed with locals creating a strongly bedouin influenced culture.
Ok I think I have come to a conclusion. Basically, Iraqi Arabs are too mixed for any regular gedmatch oracle to give a precise measure of their ancestry. They are majorly a mix of native Mesopotamian and Persian elements, with Arabian and east African also being important(especially in the south). That's four distinct components which are not split evenly and so the calculator gets confused and you end up with senseless oracles like "70% Jordanian 30% Pashtun". We should use the calculators on Vahaduo for this instead using relevant source populations.
K13
Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 274.0235% / 2.74023507
48.6 Assyrian_South
19.0 Iran_Bandari
15.2 Yemenite_Jewish
13.8 Iranian
3.4 Somali
MDLP K23b
Target: Iraki
Distance: 613.0526% / 6.13052555
40.0 Iraqi_Chaldean
37.4 Iranian
18.4 Yemenite_Jew
4.2 Sudanese
Gedrosia K12
Target: Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad
Distance: 327.3549% / 3.27354914
67.6 Iraqi_Chaldeans
25.8 Iranian
5.2 Yemenite_Jew
1.4 Somali
Basically, my original theory seems to be correct. That in medieval times there was extensive mixing between native Mesopotamians and Persians, and that while that original founding population was decimated during the Mongols, it wasn't wiped out entirely and it still forms the majority of Iraqi Muslim ancestry. After that, Arabian tribes entered and mixed with locals creating a strongly bedouin influenced culture.
What are this runs? Yemenite Jews, Bandaris?
Here are more accurate runs.
Eurogenes K13
Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 1.8886% / 1.88856726
49.2 Iranian
33.4 Bedouin
17.4 Assyrian_South
Dodecad K12b
Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 2.1215% / 2.12149856
45.8 Iranian_Fars
35.2 Assyrian_South
19.0 Bedouin
Note also that Baghdadis seem to have more Persian-like admixture than other Iraqis who are more Bedouin shifted which btw they are clearly aware of.
Trouble
10-19-2020, 08:47 PM
What are this runs? Yemenite Jews, Bandaris?
Here are more accurate runs.
Eurogenes K13
Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 1.8886% / 1.88856726
49.2 Iranian
33.4 Bedouin
17.4 Assyrian_South
Dodecad K12b
Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 2.1215% / 2.12149856
45.8 Iranian_Fars
35.2 Assyrian_South
19.0 Bedouin
Note also that Baghdadis seem to have more Persian-like admixture than other Iraqis who are more Bedouin shifted which btw they are clearly aware of.
Not all migration to Mesopotamia was from western Iran, there was some from southern and eastern Iran as well. In my runs where I included all Iranian pops. they were showing a preference for east Iranians. Many soldiers from Khwarezmia were settled there during the time of the Abassids.
As for Bedouins, some of these calcs do not distinguish between Bedouin A and Bedouin B. Most of these tribes migrated from the Najd or Yemen which would mean they score more similar to regular Arabians than the levant shifted Bedouin A sample.
Trouble
10-19-2020, 08:48 PM
What are this runs? Yemenite Jews, Bandaris?
Here are more accurate runs.
Eurogenes K13
Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 1.8886% / 1.88856726
49.2 Iranian
33.4 Bedouin
17.4 Assyrian_South
Dodecad K12b
Target: Iraqi_Baghdad
Distance: 2.1215% / 2.12149856
45.8 Iranian_Fars
35.2 Assyrian_South
19.0 Bedouin
Note also that Baghdadis seem to have more Persian-like admixture than other Iraqis who are more Bedouin shifted which btw they are clearly aware of.
Not all migration to Mesopotamia was from western Iran, there was some from southern and eastern Iran as well. In my runs where I included all Iranian pops. they were showing a preference for east Iranians. Many soldiers from Khwarezmia were settled there during the time of the Abassids.
As for Bedouins, some of these calcs do not distinguish between Bedouin A and Bedouin B. Most of these tribes migrated from the Najd or Yemen which would mean they score more similar to regular Arabians than the levant shifted Bedouin A sample.
Not all migration to Mesopotamia was from western Iran, there was some from southern and eastern Iran as well. In my runs where I included all Iranian pops. they were showing a preference for east Iranians. Many soldiers from Khwarezmia were settled there during the time of the Abassids.
As for Bedouins, some of these calcs do not distinguish between Bedouin A and Bedouin B. Most of these tribes migrated from the Najd or Yemen which would mean they score more similar to regular Arabians than the levant shifted Bedouin A sample.
They prefer Bandaris cause they also score SSA, ofc most of the Iranian admixture comes from Persians and probably also from Kurds and large parts of it is recent so there's no need to overfit. Many Iraqi Arabs still to this day are aware of their Iranian heritage.
The Saudi and Bedouin_B averages are based on the most extreme Natufian shifted Saudis. Far from all Saudis score this high SW Asian/Red Sea.
See here (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14522-some-HarappaWorld-Arabian-results), results posted by a Saudi on another forum. The Arabs who settled in Iraq in recent times were from Northern Arabia thus we can expect them to be more similar to Bedouin_A.
Trouble
10-19-2020, 10:48 PM
They prefer Bandaris cause they also score SSA, ofc most of the Iranian admixture comes from Persians and probably also from Kurds and large parts of it is recent so there's no need to overfit. Many Iraqi Arabs still to this day are aware of their Iranian heritage.
The Saudi and Bedouin_B averages are based on the most extreme Natufian shifted Saudis. Far from all Saudis score this high SW Asian/Red Sea.
See here (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14522-some-HarappaWorld-Arabian-results), results posted by a Saudi on another forum. The Arabs who settled in Iraq in recent times were from Northern Arabia thus we can expect them to be more similar to Bedouin_A.
Try adding something like "Yagnobi" to the model instead of Bandari and you'll see that they score it too. Also, I already added SSA groups to it,
I ran the Tamimi/Najdi guy on Eurogenes K13 and he came out very much like the Saudi sample they have on there, and further away from Yemenite Jews and even further from the Bedouin sample on there. Im not sure what to make of this.
Babak
10-19-2020, 11:06 PM
They prefer Bandaris cause they also score SSA, ofc most of the Iranian admixture comes from Persians and probably also from Kurds and large parts of it is recent so there's no need to overfit. Many Iraqi Arabs still to this day are aware of their Iranian heritage.
The Saudi and Bedouin_B averages are based on the most extreme Natufian shifted Saudis. Far from all Saudis score this high SW Asian/Red Sea.
See here (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14522-some-HarappaWorld-Arabian-results), results posted by a Saudi on another forum. The Arabs who settled in Iraq in recent times were from Northern Arabia thus we can expect them to be more similar to Bedouin_A.
So Iraqi arabs are a blend of Arab-persian mix or are those just shia arabs?
Trouble
10-19-2020, 11:08 PM
So Iraqi arabs are a blend of Arab-persian mix or are those just shia arabs?
Blend of Arab, Persian, and native Meso elements.
Not just Shias, but foreign elements are higher among them than in Sunnis generally.
Not all migration to Mesopotamia was from western Iran, there was some from southern and eastern Iran as well. In my runs where I included all Iranian pops. they were showing a preference for east Iranians. Many soldiers from Khwarezmia were settled there during the time of the Abassids.
As for Bedouins, some of these calcs do not distinguish between Bedouin A and Bedouin B. Most of these tribes migrated from the Najd or Yemen which would mean they score more similar to regular Arabians than the levant shifted Bedouin A sample.
Well the Iraqi religious Figurehead Ayatollah Sistani is originally from Sistan (E Iran) but he speaks Arabic well. Not sure how prevelant E Iranians were historically in Iraq but having lived in S Iraq personally i can say that eastern Iraq is Arabic by name but not by genetics. Even shopkeepers around the Shia holy towns of Najaf and Karbala can speak farsi.
Trouble
10-20-2020, 02:37 AM
Well the Iraqi religious Figurehead Ayatollah Sistani is originally from Sistan (E Iran) but he speaks Arabic well. Not sure how prevelant E Iranians were historically in Iraq but having lived in S Iraq personally i can say that eastern Iraq is Arabic by name but not by genetics. Even shopkeepers around the Shia holy towns of Najaf and Karbala can speak farsi.
Between what years were you living there?
"Although many of the leaders of the ʿAbbasid army were, or at least claimed to be, of Arab descent, it is clear that most of the rank and file were of Persian origin. There were also a number of families of Iranian notables, the Barmakids of Balḵ for example, and the Sulid family, descendents of the native princes of Gorgān. These military groups were settled in certain defined areas of the city, mostly in the district to the northwest of the round city which came to be known as the Ḥarbīya and the names of the different groups give us a clear idea of their geographical origins. As might be expected, the vast majority of them came from Khorasan and Transoxania, where the ʿAbbasid armies had been recruited, rather than from western Iran or Azerbaijan"
https://iranicaonline.org/articles/baghdad-iranian-connection-1-pr-Mongol
I was surprised too, I've seen some results from Maysan and Wasit provinces with Arabic names that come out fully Kurdish or Iranian. I think the geographical distribution of these ethnicities were far more fluid in the past than they are at the moment.
The census for Nasiriyah, a supposedly Bedouin derived town near the Euphrates, from British times showed there was about 10% Iranics living there.
In 1920, Nasiriyah had 6,523 inhabitants. The population was ethnically diverse with Arab Muslims accounting for 72.7% of the inhabitants, Jews 8%, Mandeans 9.7%, Persians 4.6%, Lurs 4.3% and Christians, Turks, and Indians forming the remainder of the population.[3]
Yes the Shia shrine cities were settled heavily by Persians(many of whom later became Arabized). But there are millions of Iranian pilgrims that go there so knowing Farsi is advantageous for anyone running a business there.
Between what years were you living there?
"Although many of the leaders of the ʿAbbasid army were, or at least claimed to be, of Arab descent, it is clear that most of the rank and file were of Persian origin. There were also a number of families of Iranian notables, the Barmakids of Balḵ for example, and the Sulid family, descendents of the native princes of Gorgān. These military groups were settled in certain defined areas of the city, mostly in the district to the northwest of the round city which came to be known as the Ḥarbīya and the names of the different groups give us a clear idea of their geographical origins. As might be expected, the vast majority of them came from Khorasan and Transoxania, where the ʿAbbasid armies had been recruited, rather than from western Iran or Azerbaijan"
https://iranicaonline.org/articles/baghdad-iranian-connection-1-pr-Mongol
I was surprised too, I've seen some results from Maysan and Wasit provinces with Arabic names that come out fully Kurdish or Iranian. I think the geographical distribution of these ethnicities were far more fluid in the past than they are at the moment.
The census for Nasiriyah, a supposedly Bedouin derived town near the Euphrates, from British times showed there was about 10% Iranics living there.
In 1920, Nasiriyah had 6,523 inhabitants. The population was ethnically diverse with Arab Muslims accounting for 72.7% of the inhabitants, Jews 8%, Mandeans 9.7%, Persians 4.6%, Lurs 4.3% and Christians, Turks, and Indians forming the remainder of the population.[3]
Yes the Shia shrine cities were settled heavily by Persians(many of whom later became Arabized). But there are millions of Iranian pilgrims that go there so knowing Farsi is advantageous for anyone running a business there.
I was a kid with my family in the 90s. My dad worked in Shomali and Mandali so i got to see some of those cities and interacted with the locals
Has the list been updated with newer samples?
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