Dolichocephalic Turanid

[cyberlorian]

One of my friends looks very Turanid except the shape of his skull. He is dolichocephalic. Is it possible?

[Marmara]

Possible.

[Veslan]

Yes it is. In fact many pure mongoloids are dolichocephalic too.

[Pizdastratos]

Yes it is. In fact many pure mongoloids are dolichocephalic too.

Any examples?

[blogen]

No. Impossible at the Turanid case.

[Veslan]

Any examples?

Chinese, Cephalic Index 73.9
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/QQ-309329803298.jpg
Korean, Cephalic Index 75.5
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/QQ-434343.jpg
Innuit, Cephalic Index: ?
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/ii-544554.jpg

Additionally:
http://humanphenotypes.net/Huanghoid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/Choshiu.html

[gültekin]

Chinese, Cephalic Index 73.9
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/QQ-309329803298.jpg
Korean, Cephalic Index 75.5
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/QQ-434343.jpg
Innuit, Cephalic Index: ?
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/ii-544554.jpg

Additionally:
http://humanphenotypes.net/Huanghoid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/Choshiu.html
They are mongoloids, not turanids. mongoloids have zero ANE.
turanid =/=mongoloid
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/PSM_V50_D602_World_cephalic_index_map.jpg/1024px-PSM_V50_D602_World_cephalic_index_map.jpg

[Veslan]

They are mongoloids, not turanids. mongoloids have zero ANE.
turanid =/=mongoloid

If Mongoloids can be dolichocephalic, then Mongoloid-Caucasoid mix can be dolichocephalic too. That's my point.

[gültekin]

If Mongoloids can be dolichocephalic, then Mongoloid-Caucasoid mix can be dolichocephalic too. That's my point.
appreciate, but OP is asking for Turanids, not for Mongoloids.Mongoloids have zero ANE and Siberian

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Turanid ≠ Dolicocephalic

That's reallity.

[Veslan]

appreciate, but OP is asking for Turanids, not for Mongoloids.Mongoloids have zero ANE and Siberian

Turk classified as Orientalid + Mongoloid mix, Cephalic Index 75
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/kz-221.jpg
Dolichocephalic Turkmen with Mongoloid traits
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/kq-39889342983249.jpg
Another Dolichocephalic Turkmen with Mongoloid traits
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/kq-32093209.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Turk classified as Orientalid + Mongoloid mix, Cephalic Index 75
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/kz-221.jpg
Dolichocephalic Turkmen with Mongoloid traits
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/kq-39889342983249.jpg
Another Dolichocephalic Turkmen with Mongoloid traits
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/kq-32093209.jpg

There are anthro and genetic exceptions everywhere, also in all segments of science. But the base of the Turanid is brachycepahlic, could pass meso as well, but dolicocepahlic surely isn't part of this.

[gültekin]

Turk classified as Orientalid + Mongoloid mix, Cephalic Index 75
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/kz-221.jpg
Dolichocephalic Turkmen with Mongoloid traits
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/kq-39889342983249.jpg
Another Dolichocephalic Turkmen with Mongoloid traits
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/kq-32093209.jpg
their is no mention for Turanid, as you say : Dolichocephalic Turkmen with Mongoloid traits

[Veslan]

There are anthro and genetic exceptions everywhere, also in all segments of science. But the base of the Turanid is brachycepahlic, could pass meso as well, but dolicocepahlic surely isn't part of this.

It depends on what do you count as "Turanid" in the first place...
The Turkish Mongoloid-Caucasoid type can be dolichocephalic as well, as proven by the plates above.

[blogen]

Turanid is mostly mesocehpalic Eastern Cromagnoid + brachycehphalic or hyperbrachycephalic mongoloid admixture from Central Asia. Nobody and never see a not brachycephalic Turanid, presumbaly the dolichocephalic Dinarid is much more frequent, than this hypothetic phenomena!

ps. There are not Turanids on the pictures above!

[Vlatko Vukovic]

It depends on what do you count as "Turanid" in the first place...

As Blogen said: Eastern Cromagnoid + Mongoloid

[gültekin]

As Blogen said: Eastern Cromagnoid + Mongoloid
Eastern Cromagnoid + Proto-Mongoloid (ANE):thumb001:

[Veslan]

As Blogen said: Eastern Cromagnoid + Mongoloid

If you mix an Eastern Cromagnid with some kind of dolichocephalic or mesocephalic Mongoloid you might get a dolichocephalic mixed type. This is obviously very unlikely because the vast majority of Mongoloids are brachy.

[gültekin]

If you mix an Eastern Cromagnid with some kind of dolichocephalic or mesocephalic Mongoloid you might get a dolichocephalic mixed type. This is obviously very unlikely because the vast majority of Mongoloids are brachy.
Mongoloids are Dolichocephalic, Turanids are Brachycephalic.
which part is so streng for your understanding?

[Veslan]

Mongoloids are Dolichocephalic, Turanids are Brachycephalic.
which part is so streng for your understanding?

Mongoloids range from rarely dolichocephalic to usually brachycephalic.

Turanids depend on a definintion, if we treat it as just a one phenotype, then it's brachycephalic. If we use the name "Turanid" for any Turkish Caucasoid-Mongoloid mix, then it can be meso and dolichocephalic too.

[gültekin]

Mongoloids range from rarely dolichocephalic to usually brachycephalic.

Turanids depend on a definintion, if we treat it as just a one phenotype, then it's brachycephalic. If we use the name "Turanid" for any Turkish Caucasoid-Mongoloid mix, then it can be meso and dolichocephalic too.
this definition that you talking about...you are just confused because of the classification threads by the TA's mighty anthro-masters my friend.

[cyberlorian]

Turanid is mostly mesocehpalic Eastern Cromagnoid + brachycehphalic or hyperbrachycephalic mongoloid admixture from Central Asia. Nobody and never see a not brachycephalic Turanid, presumbaly the dolichocephalic Dinarid is much more frequent, than this hypothetic phenomena!

ps. There are not Turanids on the pictures above!

Is Eastern Cromagnid West Baltid?

[Token]

Nope, Turanid is brachycephalic as a rule, if he is dolichocephalic he is not solely Turanid.

[Kess]

Ofc it can be in my view turanid is mongoloid caucasoid admixture even pure mongoloids can be dolichocephalic

[blogen]

Is Eastern Cromagnid West Baltid?

Not. The most roubust Cromagnoid race, the main race of the Yamna culture and later the steppe between the Carpathians and the Altay. Somewhere between the Borreby and the Faelid. Extint in the medieval times, because the Turanization. The metrically closest relatives to the ancient Eastern Cromagnoids are the less metised Hungarian Andronovo Turanids. If you want to imagine the Yamna or Andronovo peoples or the Aryan conquerors, they are the good basis:

https://i.img.ie/3sY.jpg
https://i.img.ie/3sL.jpg
https://i.img.ie/3sE.jpg
https://i.img.ie/3s5.jpg

[Pizdastratos]

Is Eastern Cromagnid West Baltid?

West Baltid is Balticized Dalo-Faelid\Western Cromagnid
Baltid = Eastern Cromagnid

[greasycaveman]

then what about med + turanid mixes like me?
https://preview.ibb.co/dyz7tm/Photo_on_1_27_18_at_10_17_PM_2.jpg (https://ibb.co/kYEwm6)
https://preview.ibb.co/eENStm/Photo_on_1_26_18_at_7_48_PM.jpg (https://ibb.co/gny0Dm)
https://preview.ibb.co/ce83G6/Photo_on_1_26_18_at_8_01_PM_2.jpg (https://ibb.co/j7fuOm)

[Gangrel]

Nope. Turanids must be Brachycephalic. He is predominantly something Dolicocephalic with Turanid influence, most likely

[greasycaveman]

Nope. Turanids must be Brachycephalic. He is predominantly something Dolicocephalic with Turanid influence, most likely

so what am I then?

[Gangrel]

so what am I then?

No idea tbh, you are difficult to classify. But your mongoloid is Uralic

[Decius]

Its possible but he is not fully turanid if he is Dolicocephalic

[greasycaveman]

No idea tbh, you are difficult to classify. But your mongoloid is Uralic

are you completely sure?

[Pizdastratos]

there's no way you will be classified correctly without pics of your parents and grandparents

[greasycaveman]

there's no way you will be classified correctly without pics of your parents and grandparents

who me?

[Proto-Shaman]

As Blogen said: Eastern Cromagnoid + Mongoloid

= this
https://i.imgur.com/Eohcy4K.jpg

Andrej Horoshev, Ukr. + Yakut mix = textbook Turanid

[Proto-Shaman]

less-dolichocephalic and mesocephalic Kyrgyz's, but not always Turanid. They are basically proto-Turk remnants of the Afanasievo stage (= modern Bashkirs). That the Kyrgyz descended from dolichocephalic Afanasievo population is a scientific fact (http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/btn_Archeology/BernstamCh1AfanasievCultureEn.htm), later they mixed with the Dingling Karasuk Turks, who were Turanid already. (and blogen.. No.Tthere isn't such thing as Turanid IE's :coffee:)

https://i.imgur.com/cIDpJZc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5Iel7eL.png
https://i.imgur.com/dCv6UfU.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/lOUyonM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Snzo77N.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hdto5QE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RgwpJp0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OSmD5u0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kS6p3OV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2vc2Tz7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6Pi2MtH.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/MjzI9t7.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/HqPAWQa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R07oe5h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gVPvlYs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/18XSJ9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2cuT5dc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wGgIIEl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5QOWDQP.jpg

[Pizdastratos]

who me?

yep

[Longobarda]

Turanid

http://redcarpetroxy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/keanu-reeves.jpg

[Hadouken]

lol

[Longobarda]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4240894/5/

turanid is the andronovo type or kazakstan type, taller, stronger.
turanoid is alföld type or gracil turanid.
the third group is the mongolo-turanid, its mixed race in modern day c. asian folks.
turks and hungarians in Europe when Ghenghis mongolized the Asian turks (kazak, uzbeg etc)
Turanid is from cro magnonid andronovo, which was influenced by siberian afanasyevo and tungid proto-mongols. but the europid part is the dominant. 90-10% mongolo turanids 50-50%.

The turanids origin from a cro-magnonid+mongolid mixation. This happen somewhere between the Volga and the Altay in the bronze age. So, this is a Eastern-European/Western Siberian type. The basic iron-age turanid population is the Sarmatians in Europe and the ancient Magyars and other Ugors in Western Siberia. Turanids came to the Carpatian basin in five waves.

1. with Sarmatians, but this population vanished.
2. with Huns (West Siberian and Alanian elements), this population vanished too.
3. with the Avars, the survived Avars assimilated to the Slavs and the Magyars.
4. with the Slavs, the Sarmatian origin turanid elements between the Slavs.
5. with the Magyars, this is the main origin of the contemporary turanid population of the basin.

The original Huns in Inner Asia was mainly mongoloids with turanid and tungid elements.

[Jana]

Many of the Kyrgyz posted by Kipchak Hakan look more (mongolized) pamirid, than turanid.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

= this
https://i.imgur.com/Eohcy4K.jpg

Andrej Horoshev, Ukr. + Yakut mix = textbook Turanid

Exactly. This man is indeed, pure Turanid example.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Turanid

http://redcarpetroxy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/keanu-reeves.jpg

how is he turanid?