Classify Egyptians

[Sasuke]

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Narmer-1st-Dynasty-600x320.jpg
Pharaoh Narmer.

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Huni-3rd-Dynasty-600x440.jpg
Pharaoh Huni.

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Khufu-600x364.jpg
Pharaoh Khufu, builder of the Great Pyramids of Giza.

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Sahure-e1411026276801-600x447.jpg
Pharaoh Sahure.

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/MentuhotepII-FuneraryStatue-CloseUp_Metropolitan-Museum-600x790.jpg
Pharaoh Mentuhotep II.

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/amenemhatIII-600x724.jpg
Pharaoh Amenemhat III.

https://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/display-1048.jpg
Death mask of Pharaoh Tutankhamun.

[DarknessWin]

Negroids

[Sasuke]

Negroids

Afrocentrists claim that ALL of the important people in ancient Egypt were Black and Eurocentrists claim the same thing but replacing the word Black for White. THE TRUTH: both sides are EQUALLY WRONG! Nobody should be either Afrocentric or Eurocentric, but only Truecentric instead. The truth is that there were BOTH Black pharaohs and White pharaohs, and also pharaohs who were neither Black or White. Due to its location in the Mediterranean, Egypt was a multiracial society and many sorts of pharaohs from many different races have existed since its beginning: Mediterranean pharaohs, Hykso pharaohs, Berber pharaohs, and also sub-Saharan pharaohs (a.k.a "Negroid"). Some people on other websites have called me "an Afrocentrist" even though my main point is always that there were pharaohs of many different races, including the "Negroid race", never the Afrocentric approach of "all pharaohs were Black", which is false. Those people who don't know how to properly read texts should go back to school, or a school for adults perhaps...

[jingorex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVMTt8HC3uE

[Sasuke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVMTt8HC3uE

You either ignored or really didn't see my last comment responding to the user DarknessWin, so here it is again:

Afrocentrists claim that ALL of the important people in ancient Egypt were Black and Eurocentrists claim the same thing but replacing the word Black for White. THE TRUTH: both sides are EQUALLY WRONG! Nobody should be either Afrocentric or Eurocentric, but only Truecentric instead. The truth is that there were BOTH Black pharaohs and White pharaohs, and also pharaohs who were neither Black or White. Due to its location in the Mediterranean, Egypt was a multiracial society and many sorts of pharaohs from many different races have existed since its beginning: Mediterranean pharaohs, Hykso pharaohs, Berber pharaohs, and also sub-Saharan pharaohs (a.k.a "Negroid"). Some people on other websites have called me "an Afrocentrist" even though my main point is always that there were pharaohs of many different races, including the "Negroid race", never the Afrocentric approach of "all pharaohs were Black", which is false. Those people who don't know how to properly read texts should go back to school, or a school for adults perhaps...

[jingorex]

You either ignored or really didn't see my last comment responding to the user DarknessWin, so here it is again:

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nah i just dont give a fuck.

[sankeby]

You either ignored or really didn't see my last comment responding to the user DarknessWin, so here it is again:

Afrocentrists claim that ALL of the important people in ancient Egypt were Black and Eurocentrists claim the same thing but replacing the word Black for White. THE TRUTH: both sides are EQUALLY WRONG! Nobody should be either Afrocentric or Eurocentric, but only Truecentric instead. The truth is that there were BOTH Black pharaohs and White pharaohs, and also pharaohs who were neither Black or White. Due to its location in the Mediterranean, Egypt was a multiracial society and many sorts of pharaohs from many different races have existed since its beginning: Mediterranean pharaohs, Hykso pharaohs, Berber pharaohs, and also sub-Saharan pharaohs (a.k.a "Negroid"). Some people on other websites have called me "an Afrocentrist" even though my main point is always that there were pharaohs of many different races, including the "Negroid race", never the Afrocentric approach of "all pharaohs were Black", which is false. Those people who don't know how to properly read texts should go back to school, or a school for adults perhaps...

it makes no sense to categorise historical figures by race, especially since race as a science is dubious and has no legitimacy. Not only does this categorisation mean nothing, but it corrupts history. Afrocentrists will claim every pharaoh is black to support black supremacy and likewise whites for white supremacy.

[Sasuke]

it makes no sense to categorise historical figures by race, especially since race as a science is dubious and has no legitimacy. Not only does this categorisation mean nothing, but it corrupts history. Afrocentrists will claim every pharaoh is black to support black supremacy and likewise whites for white supremacy.

I partially agree with you, but I think we can apply modern racial categories to ancient folks, especially because 1/3 or even 2/3 of the pharaohs were native Africans, so it's a way of fighting against white supremacy, but we must also fight black supremacy and any other form of racial supremacy, in order to make this world a better place.

[Odin]

Caucasoids.

[Sasuke]

Caucasoids.

Of course there were MANY Caucasoid pharaohs, but the ones I posted just cannot be. How are they Caucasoids?

[Mingle]

Afrocentrists claim that ALL of the important people in ancient Egypt were Black and Eurocentrists claim the same thing but replacing the word Black for White. THE TRUTH: both sides are EQUALLY WRONG! Nobody should be either Afrocentric or Eurocentric, but only Truecentric instead. The truth is that there were BOTH Black pharaohs and White pharaohs, and also pharaohs who were neither Black or White. Due to its location in the Mediterranean, Egypt was a multiracial society and many sorts of pharaohs from many different races have existed since its beginning: Mediterranean pharaohs, Hykso pharaohs, Berber pharaohs, and also sub-Saharan pharaohs (a.k.a "Negroid"). Some people on other websites have called me "an Afrocentrist" even though my main point is always that there were pharaohs of many different races, including the "Negroid race", never the Afrocentric approach of "all pharaohs were Black", which is false. Those people who don't know how to properly read texts should go back to school, or a school for adults perhaps...

The White and Black pharaohs were Greeks and Nubians living in Egypt, not real Egyptians.

[Sasuke]

The White and Black pharaohs were Greeks and Nubians living in Egypt, not real Egyptians.

The Negroid pharaohs I posted here were most likely real Egyptians because the Nubians only became pharaohs much after them, only in the very latest times of Egypt.

[Odin]

Of course there were MANY Caucasoid pharaohs, but the ones I posted just cannot be. How are they Caucasoids?

A sculpture shouldn't be taken so seriously. For example, Pharaoh Narmer's head statue has eroded to such an extent, that it looks like a sphere with holes in, the initial outlines of his feature are almost non-existent, the Narmer palette (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/NarmerPalette-ROM-back.jpg) is an Aethiopid, and it's more accurate, well preserved and looks like it was made yesterday.

[Sasuke]

A sculpture shouldn't be taken so seriously. For example, Pharaoh Narmer's head statue has eroded to such an extent, that it looks like a sphere with holes in, the initial outlines of his feature are almost non-existent, the Narmer palette (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/NarmerPalette-ROM-back.jpg) is an Aethiopid, and it's more accurate, well preserved and looks like it was made yesterday.

I totally agree with you, I didn't even think about it before posting. However, I think there were just as many Negroid pharaohs as there were many Caucasoid pharaohs indeed. Either the claim that ALL pharaohs were Black or the claim that ALL pharaohs were White (or at least dark-skinned Caucasoids) is flawed and never supported by truly serious Egyptologists.

[Sasuke]

A sculpture shouldn't be taken so seriously. For example, Pharaoh Narmer's head statue has eroded to such an extent, that it looks like a sphere with holes in, the initial outlines of his feature are almost non-existent, the Narmer palette (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/NarmerPalette-ROM-back.jpg) is an Aethiopid, and it's more accurate, well preserved and looks like it was made yesterday.


I totally agree with you, I didn't even think about it before posting. However, I think there were just as many Negroid pharaohs as there were many Caucasoid pharaohs indeed. Either the claim that ALL pharaohs were Black or the claim that ALL pharaohs were White (or at least dark-skinned Caucasoids) is flawed and never supported by truly serious Egyptologists.

However, I only agree with you about Narmer, a.k.a Menes. All the other ones I posted look Congoid/Negroid to me (at least to me) and, unlike that of Narmer, their sculptures are still very well-preserved.

[Egyptian]

The White and Black pharaohs were Greeks and Nubians living in Egypt, not real Egyptians.

Correct.
Nubia joined Egypt as one country, Nubia used to be independent kingdom.

but greeks aren't considered pharaohs just outsiders and were sent back to where they came from.

[Sasuke]

Correct.
Nubia joined Egypt as one country, Nubia used to be independent kingdom.

but greeks aren't considered pharaohs just outsiders and were sent back to where they came from.

You totally ignored the sculptures presented here because you want to spread your Arab supremacist agenda, Moslem.

[Egyptian]

You totally ignored the sculptures presented here because you want to spread your Arab supremacist agenda, Moslem.

huh? :lol:

[Sasuke]

huh? :lol:

Don't pretend that you didn't understand it because I know you did so. The sculptures which I showed at this thread show heavily Negro faces, MOSLEM!

[Egyptian]

Don't pretend that you didn't understand it because I know you did so. The sculptures which I showed at this thread show heavily Negro faces, MOSLEM!
negro
:lol:


I don't know where you from but you seems like an african who lives in america trying to spread the lies that egypt was black land, just like the peeps who claim that egypt was white land :lol but the fact is neither your race nor the white race own anything in egypt (literally) :lol:

[Alessio]

Northeast African kinda pheno

[Sasuke]

negro
:lol:


I don't know where you from but you seems like an african who lives in america trying to spread the lies that egypt was black land, just like the peeps who claim that egypt was white land :lol but the fact is neither your race nor the white race own anything in egypt (literally) :lol:

If the Pharaohs whom I posted here weren't Negro, then what were they? Can't you see the clearly Negro faces in their sculptures?

[Egyptian]

If the Pharaohs whom I posted here weren't Negro, then what were they? Can't you see the clearly Negro faces in their sculptures?

:lol:

[Sasuke]

:lol:

Still no answer coming from the Moslem Arab supremacist. This thread is about classifying the ones I posted. Could you please do it?

[Decius]

Not negroid

[Sasuke]

Not negroid

Whichever other classification then? "Not negroid" isn't a specific answer.

[Smeagol]

None of these are realistic or well preserved enough to classify except for Tut's death mask with looks mixed race to me.

[Sasuke]

None of these are realistic or well preserved enough to classify except for Tut's death mask with looks mixed race to me.

Please show me exactly which proofs you have that they aren't realistic or well preserved. Be free to quote any academic source to confirm your claim, but at least show me a single one proof.

[Smeagol]

Please show me exactly which proofs you have that they aren't realistic or well preserved. Be free to quote any academic source to confirm your claim, but at least show me a single one proof.

I don't need a source, it's evident just by looking at them.

[Sasuke]

I don't need a source, it's evident just by looking at them.

They're sort of broken due to the thousands of years that have passed, yet you can still see their facial features very clearly and classify them.

[Black Panther]

They are Scandinavians, of course.

[Smeagol]

They're sort of broken due to the thousands of years that have passed, yet you can still see their facial features very clearly and classify them.

They're probably all meant to depict mixed Caucasoid-Negroid people.

[Óttar]

I think the ones posted show "negroid" features, so NE African is a good term.

[Smeagol]

Egyptians varied from pure Caucasoid:
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/bust.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/nofer.png
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/amenmeses1.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/mehj.jpg

to predominantly Negroid:
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/tiye1.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/mentuhotep-ii.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/beg5.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/be9.jpg

But even most Egyptians who would be called ''black'' today had more of a Horn African Hamitic type look than true Negroid:
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/senwosret2.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/old-kingdom-official.jpg

[Sasuke]

They're probably all meant to depict mixed Caucasoid-Negroid people.

I don't see any Caucasoid element.

[Sasuke]

Egyptians varied from pure Caucasoid:
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/bust.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/nofer.png
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/amenmeses1.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/mehj.jpg

Small sculptures are highly suspect to me. There's a high chance that many of them are forgeries made by people who wanted to make money by selling them to museums.


But even most Egyptians who would be called ''black'' today had more of a Horn African Hamitic type look than true Negroid:
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/senwosret2.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/old-kingdom-official.jpg

There's no such a thing as "true Negroid". Africans are the most (both phenotypically and genetically) diverse people on Earth. Horn Africans are mixed with Whites and Arabs, but I don't think the Tutsi are; as far as I'm concerned, the Tutsi are 100% sub-Saharan African and they look like that:

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/EBWWRJ/portrait-of-an-elderly-tutsi-man-with-jacket-hat-and-walking-stick-EBWWRJ.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/bd/06/f3bd0617e3eb81c009ec5fcfa44aa442.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cc/c9/83/ccc983a4888c170b326a3b174eb21539.jpg

[Egyptian]

Still no answer coming from the Moslem Arab supremacist. This thread is about classifying the ones I posted. Could you please do it?

who are you to judge if i'm arab supermacist or egyptian or alien predator lol .. you are a funny clown trying to post BS to show egypt is black or whatever :lol: .. keep posting these BS meanwhile I live in my country enjoying the legacy was left by my ancestors

[Raizen]

nordicks

[Egyptian]

:lol:

[Sasuke]

who are you to judge if i'm arab supermacist or egyptian or alien predator lol .. you are a funny clown trying to post BS to show egypt is black or whatever :lol: .. keep posting these BS meanwhile I live in my country enjoying the legacy was left by my ancestors

Dear Moslem, you still haven't classified any of the pharaohs posted by me in the beginning of this thread.

[Rædwald]

WE

[Egyptian]

Dear Moslem, you still haven't classified any of the pharaohs posted by me in the beginning of this thread.

Dear (who puts his nose in Egyptian affairs) .. I don't care about classification :lol:

[Sasuke]

WE

Just like any other white supremacist, you ridicule the facts instead of trying to refute them. Could you please ACTUALLY CLASSIFY the pharaohs whom I posted in the beginning of this thread (which is what this thread is about)?