Classify Scottish actor Robert Carlyle

[Pallantides]

http://www.stargatearchive.com/images/journal/2010/04/carlylewho.jpghttp://fannishinquisition.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/robert-carlyle.jpghttp://www.seriesadictos.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/robertcarlyle_l.jpghttp://theflickcast.com/wp-content/uploads//robert-carlyle-sgu.jpghttp://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00686/Robert_Carlyle__686833a.jpghttp://www.jamesbond-fr.com/biographies/photos/Robert%20Carlyle/gunpowder.jpghttp://s2.hubimg.com/u/284157_f248.jpghttp://blogs.whatsontv.co.uk/tvspy/files/2008/11/robert-carlyle.jpghttp://webspace.webring.com/people/vu/um_10317/rcpix/radiot.jpghttp://www.empireonline.com/images/features/fantasy-movie-drugs/51st-state.jpg

[The Ripper]

He's one of those Slavic-looking Brits. ;)

[Pallantides]

He's one of those Slavic-looking Brits. ;)

Actually I always thought he looked a bit North-Norwegian,
short and dark, with a temperament...:p

[Nglund]

Atlanto(-Balto?)-Alpinoid with Dinaroid elements.
Great actor :)

[aherne]

Great actor indeed. He looks Celtic (Alpine + Megalithic Mediterannean)...

[Pallantides]

Great actor indeed. He looks Celtic (Alpine + Megalithic Mediterannean)...


Oh me and aherne agree on something!:eek:

[Don Brick]

^Indeed. :D

[Norbert]

He's one of those Slavic-looking Brits. ;)

There is no such thing as a single Slavic look, the modern Slavs are the most diverse population in Europe, ranging form Nordish in the west and east, to basically Turkid in the Bulgaria/Macedonia region.

[The Ripper]

There is no such thing as a single Slavic look, the modern Slavs are the most diverse population in Europe, ranging form Nordish in the west and east, to basically Turkid in the Bulgaria/Macedonia region.

:D Calm down, I never claimed there being a single Slavic look. But there are certain looks that give me a Slavic-vibe. And when I say Slavic, its mostly influenced by Russian looks, which I've encountered most. :) Its not supposed to be an anthropological classification, just a personal opinion. I neither know of nor care for text-book classifications very much.

[Wyn]

to basically Turkid in the Bulgaria/Macedonia region.

Don't say that too loudly. Some will not take kindly to it. ;)

[Pallantides]

Hey Rippumatto ! Russian not look how this guy . He look a Jews . You seen them or kavkazic or aziatic (tajiks and other ) .

troll:rolleyes2:

[Graham]

Hey Rippumatto ! Russian not look how this guy . He look a Jews . You seen them or kavkazic or aziatic (tajiks and other ) .

He looks more like your typical wee man from Glasgow, great actor too

[Peasant]

Hey Rippumatto ! Russian not look how this guy . He look a Jews . You seen them or kavkazic or aziatic (tajiks and other ) .

How many do you see around your flat in London? Or your home in Poland?

[aherne]

He looks more like your typical wee man from Glasgow, great actor too

Indeed, he has typical Briton looks and even a Briton last name (Carlyle). Off topic: I think he is the greatest living actor. He truly has superb acting skills: one of his memorable roles was King James Iin movie Gunpowder, Treason and Plot. He does so much more than just acting on script, it is as if he embodies the internal struggle inside his characters. Some may find his roles theatrical, but he does it so naturally that there is really nothing to fault about it.

[Lisa]

About the Kavkaz and Tajik I was joking . And of course he good actor .

[Pallantides]

I bet he is a BaR1barian, since he is such a cool and great actor.

[Ugo Tognazzi]

http://blogs.whatsontv.co.uk/tvspy/files/2008/11/robert-carlyle.jpghttp://webspace.webring.com/people/vu/um_10317/rcpix/radiot.jpg

not an easy one.

the broad cheeckbones and the eyes suggest a ''Pseudo-Lappish'' look.

Though if you look closely, In his younger pics, the eye shape is regular, eyes are a bit small. and with age they got got tighter.
nevertheless there is no epicanthus, nor eyes are tilted as are with many extreme cold adapted peoples and derivates (mongoloids)

The broad cheeckbones, broad forehead and shortened jaw contribuite to this "Lappish" appearance. essentially a reduced/gracilised Cro Magnoid then. No Dinaric Imo


Thom Yorke shows mainly Nordic-Atlantid traits and headhsape, with again a peculiar and noticeable eyeshape which give an ''Asian''impression. (unless he has some ancestors in that direction, but i doubt it, as tit can be often seen in the Uk)
http://www.8ball.co.uk/dni/Thom-Yorke-backs-the-Green-Party-3.jpg

[hajduk]

There is no such thing as a single Slavic look, the modern Slavs are the most diverse population in Europe, ranging form Nordish in the west and east, to basically Turkid in the Bulgaria/Macedonia region.


random bulgars
http://www.trud.bg/Images/Cache/Image_470911_3.jpg
http://www.maaratena.com/bulgaria/bulgarians.jpg

[Don]

http://webspace.webring.com/people/vu/um_10317/rcpix/radiot.jpg

Whatever he is, he is not a "pure" ancient western or atlantic european.

[Pallantides]

http://webspace.webring.com/people/vu/um_10317/rcpix/radiot.jpg

Whatever he is, he is not a "pure" ancient western or atlantic european.
Maybe not...

But I'm he fairly sure he is a "pure" ancient North-Western European, unless someone can prove otherwise.:)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3135/northwesternrace.jpg

[Don]

Maybe not...

But I'm he fairly sure he is a "pure" ancient North-Western European, unless someone can prove otherwise.:)


In Spain there are a lot (noticeable minority) of these you call "pure ancient north-western europeans"(sic.+ therapeutic lol)

We really don't associate them with north or west... but east... and by the way, he is all but "pure" or "congruent" phenotype.

But hey, probably we spaniards should learn about geography and exploration, maybe our maps are upside down after all.



http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3135/northwesternrace.jpg

"northwestern race" MEGALOLA

You like senselessly painted maps and all that stuff?

Look, here.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1160/532305117_49535265a4_o.jpg

For you :)

[Pallantides]

There is a great genetic similarity and affinity between the British and Irish with Scandinavians(especially West-Norwegians)



Look, here.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1160/532305117_49535265a4_o.jpg

For you :)

Rivendell is in Trøndelag? :D




Anyway I'm sure our resident Brits know what he is better than any Spaniard or Norwegian:)

He looks more like your typical wee man from Glasgow, great actor too

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=337935&postcount=13

[Don]

Anyway I'm sure our resident Brits know what he is better than any Spaniard or Norwegian:)

I understand you mean comparing an "ancient norwegian" and an "ancient Spaniard". :)
So, you and me.

[Pallantides]

Since neither you or Robert Carlyle are on 23andMe I had to use a subsitutes...




Here are the Brits Osweo, Treffie and Graham compared with me and a random Spaniard from 23andMe.


Me

Osweo 74.56%
Treffie 74.51%
Graham 74.50%

Spaniard

Graham 74.36%
Treffie 74.27%
Osweo 74.21%

Me vs Spaniard 74.25%


There is definitely a strong link between Norwegians and the British.

[Wyn]

In Ireland one occasionally sees native Irishmen with his appearance.

[Ugo Tognazzi]

We really don't associate them with north or west... but east... and by the way, he is all but "pure" or "congruent" phenotype.

But hey, probably we spaniards should learn about geography and exploration, maybe our maps are upside down after all.


true...to discover America you had to wait for an Italian :-D ;-)

[Pallantides]

Northerners did a bit of exploration also:
http://www.webexhibits.org/vinland/i/map2.jpghttp://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/1/777777122292/3071_range_lg.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Vikings_exploration_and_territories-fr.svg/800px-Vikings_exploration_and_territories-fr.svg.png
The Vikings: explorers, traders, warriors and raiders.

[Don]

Since neither you or Robert Carlyle are on 23andMe I had to use a subsitutes...

Here are the Brits Osweo, Treffie and Graham compared with me and a random Spaniard from 23andMe.

Me
Osweo 74.56%
Treffie 74.51%
Graham 74.50%

Spaniard
Graham 74.36%
Treffie 74.27%
Osweo 74.21%

Me vs Spaniard 74.25%


There is definitely a strong link between Norwegians and the British.

Don't you think that with these 5 samples: you, as "representative of norwegians" and that spaniard chosen by you, with 3 british members, are a little far from being enough samples to made such relative conclusions?

Anyway, this is not a competition about how similar your are from the british (as if they were a whole), at least for me as spaniard that, like most of us, don't really like the idea of being similar to others, in particular british or norwegians, since we love being different, our unique idiosyncrasy and being just Spaniards... Spain is different... (yes Tognazzi, we are used to stealers of our identity and deeds)

...this was originally, at least for me, about my opinion that some important traits of the phenotype of Robert Carlyle (present in Spain as well) is associated with people from east, not atlantic or ancient western, and I think that you understand that me, as spaniard, Iberian, I know what I am talking about.

[Pallantides]

...this was originally, at least for me, about my opinion that some important traits of the phenotype of Robert Carlyle (present in Spain as well) is associated with people from east, not atlantic or ancient western, and I think that you understand that me, as spaniard, Iberian, I know what I am talking about.


I'm not trying to be mean or rude, I just don't like this sort of attitude, what exactly makes you the expert on ancient Western Europeans and how is it you define what's Western and not, especially in North Western Europe?





It's true I don't share with enough Spaniards on 23andMe to make an accurate comparison though.

[Don]

I'm not trying to be mean or rude, I just don't like this sort of attitude, what exactly makes you the expert on ancient Western Europeans and how is it you define what's Western and not, especially in North Western Europe?

The answer is too obvious. 2 parts. I don't mind if I be rude, sorry, it seems is part of my ancient breed. :rolleyes2:

Two parts.

Part number 1. Geography.
Part number 2. History- Prehistory/Paleoanthropology.


1.-http://www.shopzeus.cz/product_images/zeusd1-GBPO-2798864.jpg
We all know were is the West? the atlantic ocean? finisterrae? the westernmost extrem of Eurasia?


2.-Jawbone of oldest known European found in Spain (Jawbone of oldest known European found in Spain) A mere example. Neither a secret, new or unexpected discovery. I guess that he is enough "ancient". If he is too much ancient, there are "some" others that continue in the time line of more than 900.000 years to the day in Iberia.



Now we mix both elements, knowing some more "details" of european prehistory, geography, Iberian in particular, wurm's and ice retreat, the battle of Tricpñopondiporras and the 8 octowizards from Alpha-9 and... (ops, no no, forget these last words)...

Lo siento pallantides, but if you ask me such questions with so evident answers, I can not avoid from being "mean" since I feel you are or testing me or ignoring the basics about Iberia... and neither of both options likes me enough to avoid my western (yes, and southern, comparing to norway) ancestral rude tendencies.

Easy answer: Porque soy español. I know my land and my people.


Hey, nobody said that modern inheritors of the most ancient europeans were so kind, submissive or restrained as the asians are, for example.

[Pallantides]

I know my land and my people..


So you know your own lands but do but do you know North-Western Europe?



http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8264/cromagnon.jpg

Oldest skull found in South-Western Norway:
http://www.khm.uio.no/utstillinger/fruen/img/kjonnskall.jpg


Admixture graphs from Dienekes Project

Irish
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/492/irishd10.png

Scandinavians
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3783/scandinaviand10.png

British
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9260/britishd10.png

Germans
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/814/germand10.png

Spaniards(both sample and project participants)
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3076/spaniards10g.pnghttp://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7708/spanishd10.png

[Don]

So you know your own lands but do but do you know North-Western Europe?



http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8264/cromagnon.jpg

Oldest skull found in South-Western Norway:
http://www.khm.uio.no/utstillinger/fruen/img/kjonnskall.jpg


Admixture graphs from Dienekes Project

Irish
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/492/irishd10.png

Scandinavians
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3783/scandinaviand10.png

British
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9260/britishd10.png

Germans
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/814/germand10.png

Spaniards(both sample and project participants)
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3076/spaniards10g.pnghttp://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7708/spanishd10.png


Yes, pallantides, there is an atlantic continuum just because -acording to actual theories- these ancient europeans migrated north after wurm's defreezing from Iberia and south of France by the western shores of Europe. So there is a continuum of ancient westerners in first place, by age, Iberia, France following... and so north. And it is surely one of your ancestors, as all of those ancient westerners, was stabblished in Iberia... until mine kicked his ass north!!!! :P ¡Tira parriba primo! ¡A pasar frío!

[Ibericus]

The british mixed with germanic peoples, hence why today they cluster with germanics and are closter to them, but there is genetic subtratuum in Britain that comes from Iberia, very ancient, that it is still visible in some phenotypes of the Islands, and also genetically the subclade R1b1b2a1a2c is mostly found in Iberia and British isles, and the subclade R1b1b2a1a2 peaks in Iberians and British.

[Guapo]

looks like a typical swarthid Brit to me.

[Don]

That nose man... that nose!!! It can not come nowhere near the Atlantic. And those eyes... no, no way.

[Guapo]

That nose man... that nose!!! It can not come nowhere near the Atlantic. And those eyes... no, no way.

Man, I've been to Scotland. There's a shitload of his look-alikes there :rolleyes:

[Pallantides]

That nose man... that nose!!! It can not come nowhere near the Atlantic.

I think it's Keltic-Nordic influence

Irish:
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe294.jpg

Aran Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aran_Islands):
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe296.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe295.jpg

[Osweo]

Don, name names. Do you think he's part Jew? I don't really see it. Just looks 'Scotch' to me.

Do you think his phenotype has a relation with purported Mediterranean tin prospectors, ultimately with Anatolian ancestry? There might be something in that, but I don't know. I'm more inclined to view his looks as a home-grown peculiarity.

Wiki says;

Carlyle was born in Maryhill, Glasgow, the son of Elizabeth, a bus company employee, and Joseph Carlyle, a painter and decorator.[1][2] He was brought up by his father after his mother left when Carlyle was four years old.[3][4] He left school at 16 without qualifications and went to work for his father as a painter and decorator, however he continued his education by attending night classes at Cardonald College in Glasgow.[5]

IMDB says;

Has not seen his estranged mother, Liz McDonald, since he was four years old.

His father, Joe, died at age 76 on January 7, 2006, and was buried in Maryhill, Glasgow, on January 14th.

At age 17 he once worked as a butcher.

Sounds like a regular bloke to me.

A good one too;

"I owe my father everything."

I have old family connections with the (now English) town of Carlisle, too. This feller's 'one of mine'. I envy anyone with such a surname:. Lugoualijon, Luguvalium, Caer Lywelydd, Kaerloel, Carlisle... It tells the very history of Britain. :suomut:

[Guapo]

Typical Glasgowean

[Lábaru]

looks like a typical swarthid Brit to me.

Not agree.

http://jamesbond007.net/advers/Carlyle1.jpg

This are swarthid british, I think.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OLfPIFwW8Ew/S8hG5inqYUI/AAAAAAAABE8/VZ072jp1wqI/s1600/gordon-brown_5%5B1%5D.jpg

Andrew Lee Potts

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_sUlpyHil56M/S_b0R4Ft5jI/AAAAAAAAALM/rdl3ubibIV4/s1600/Andrew-Lee-Potts-andrew-lee-potts-7987447-788-600.jpg

http://www.funcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Andrew-Lee-Potts-2.jpg

[Don]

I think it's Keltic-Nordic influence

Irish:
Aran Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aran_Islands):
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe296.jpg
http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troe295.jpg

Well, the first one has some similar traits with one of my paternal uncle... but he has a much more strong face and jaw.

but the second one... maybe I saw him in "one Thousand and One Nights"??

And the third one... I've seen a lot of roma (too from east) just like this one... wait, I've seen this guy "asking" for money...

Sorry, but these phenotypes have that "eastern vibe", in different grades. Spain have them as well, but they are not the most common guys, the same in the rest of atlantic coast.

[Don]

Don, name names. Do you think he's part Jew? I don't really see it. Just looks 'Scotch' to me.

Do you think his phenotype has a relation with purported Mediterranean tin prospectors, ultimately with Anatolian ancestry? There might be something in that, but I don't know. I'm more inclined to view his looks as a home-grown peculiarity.

I see some of his traits more common in the population in eastern regions of Eurasia than in the western ones. We all know how the populations moved... in different ages, some of them quite old... I'm not talking about his grandfather.

I know a catalan friend that looks very similar to him. He has also both surnames catalan and seems no new ancestry came from mediterranean sea... at least seems, as is common in Spain, not in the last centuries, as far as I know... but there is that face that never fits at all.

I guess is due to proportion of phenotypes found in each zone... maybe a convergent evolution of that nose? :p ......

Eppur si muove!!!

I think he has eastern traits.

End. :)

[Pallantides]

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[blackforest]

Atlantid with Brunn influence

[Czarina]

Someone please go fetch him and ask. Now I'm quite curious. I'm 1/4 - 1/8 Native American; Cherokee. I've been told Carlyle looks like me (by my husband). Through the eyes and brow. I do have Native American 'swarthy' features; forgive me if I misuse the nomenclature involved.
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z412/tsarina3/finallytt.jpg
For what it is worth, I do not know of the resemblance my husband sees, just the dark eyes, maybe the brow. And, I am not certain of where my features come from, I think the shape of the forehead and eye region would probably resemble my Cherokee ancestors. You guys tell me.
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z412/tsarina3/OUT908744.jpg
I guess my point is that maybe there could be something eastern in his distant past; the Native American people did emigrate over the Bering Straight during an ice age, did they not?

[Arne]

Someone please go fetch him and ask. Now I'm quite curious. I'm 1/4 - 1/8 Native American; Cherokee. I've been told Carlyle looks like me (by my husband). Through the eyes and brow. I do have Native American 'swarthy' features; forgive me if I misuse the nomenclature involved.
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z412/tsarina3/finallytt.jpg
For what it is worth, I do not know of the resemblance my husband sees, just the dark eyes, maybe the brow. And, I am not certain of where my features come from, I think the shape of the forehead and eye region would probably resemble my Cherokee ancestors. You guys tell me.
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z412/tsarina3/OUT908744.jpg
I guess my point is that maybe there could be something eastern in his distant past; the Native American people did emigrate over the Bering Straight during an ice age, did they not?

Nah, Rather the Vikings had brought the Native American Ancestry.
Eyebrows can be swarthy if your a med even.
Greeks are covered with hairs all around the body.
The Americans know better what "aemerindian" looks like.
You can still be more on the White Side.
I don´t see Resemblance between you and him in those both Pics.

[Czarina]

I really don't either; I had been told that and wanted to see people's responses, and it was a way to agree with someone who had posted earlier in the thread thinking that he had some eastern in him. I didn't want to just say, "what he said".
Meh. :)

[El Palleter]

I see some of his traits more common in the population in eastern regions of Eurasia than in the western ones. We all know how the populations moved... in different ages, some of them quite old... I'm not talking about his grandfather.

I think he has eastern traits.
There's nothing eastern about him. You should know better.

He looks like a clone of my brother-in-law, who is from Ciudad Real, in New Castile. And I've seen that type often in and around Cuenca, also New Castile. So in your area.

Unsurprising if you consider that modern Cuenca lies in the lands of what used to be the nuclear Celtiberia. I wouldn't be surprised if it were also more or less common in Soria, Old Castile, and nearby provinces. But I haven't been there in long years.

Never in large significant numbers anywhere but you'll only find similar people the British Isles, France and Spain. I don't know if in Belgium too. So in the West.

My in-law is very gracile and hyperactive. He drinks a lot but gets drunk very quickly. Not sure if that fits the bill.

[Bridie]

The british mixed with germanic peoples, hence why today they cluster with germanics and are closter to them, The British, from what I've seen, overwhelmingly tend to cluster closest to the Irish. I've even seen some charts that lay the Irish closer to the Germanics than the British. (Of course, I'm highly skeptical, if not dismissive of such conclusions... since the Irish are nothing Germanic.)

[Aviane]

He looks pretty British overwise.

Atlantid/Keltic + Brunn.

[El Palleter]

The British, from what I've seen, overwhelmingly tend to cluster closest to the Irish. I've even seen some charts that lay the Irish closer to the Germanics than the British. (Of course, I'm highly skeptical, if not dismissive of such conclusions... since the Irish are nothing Germanic.)
I think that what causes confusion is a probable Atlantic strain in the westernmost parts of Germany that alters the correlation.

See how in this map the Belgian sample (more Atlantic) pushes into the west while the Swedish (more Germanic) pushes towards the east. The German sample spreads through the east with strains towards the west

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v16/n12/images/ejhg2008210f3.jpg

Similar here, though now the addition of more eastern samples appears to push the German sample a bit more towards the west. Notice the Belgian and Dutch samples too.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/Zyklop/dna3.jpg

[CelticViking]

Robert Carlyle
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0pgcbvk4b1qglgc9.jpg

[British-Wolf]

He's Keltic Nordic. He reminds me a lot of my dad although he says he hates Robert Carlyle's face and would love to cave it in

[Cynewald]

Some kind of dinarized small Mediterranean with reduced Upper Paleolithic Cromagnoid (c.f. Alpinoid) influences present.

[Tooting Carmen]

North Atlantid

[McCauley]

Some cunts gonna get slashed

[Awesomedy]

Kelticised Paleo-Atlantid, reminds me of a cross between David Tennant and Neil Oliver


http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/stargate/images/3/3a/Robert_Carlyle.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090324020731
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/AwFtpeX3V-g/maxresdefault.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/30/cc/e7/30cce780b432bfaf8d26b5a5129c2a9a.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vc3E7UkIzt4/maxresdefault.jpg
http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1996_Trainspotting/fhd996TRS_Robert_Carlyle_010.jpg
http://www.thedrum.com/uploads/drum_basic_article/121967/main_images/Francis%20Begbie%20%2528played%20by%20Robert%20Car lyle%2529%20in%20Trainspotting.%20Courtesy%20of%20 Film4_0.jpg
http://ilarge.listal.com/image/6491486/936full-robert-carlyle.jpg
http://i2.listal.com/image/3590516/936full-robert-carlyle.jpg
http://telestrekoza.com/wp-content/uploads/kinopoiskru-robert-carlyle-604836.jpg
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30200000/Robert-Carlyle-Stargate-Universe-robert-carlyle-30286164-1089-1450.jpg
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