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Sikeliot
02-02-2018, 01:11 PM
Villarosa

Very isolated, rural area.

Eurogenes K13:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.52
2 North_Atlantic 21.72
3 West_Med 19.9
4 West_Asian 12.88
5 Baltic 6.05
6 Red_Sea 5.85
7 Northeast_African 1.62
8 Siberian 0.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 4.59
2 Italian_Abruzzo 5
3 South_Italian 5.69
4 East_Sicilian 5.77
5 Central_Greek 6.88
6 Ashkenazi 7.77
7 Sephardic_Jewish 8.54
8 Italian_Jewish 8.91
9 Tuscan 9.96
10 Algerian_Jewish 10.54
11 Greek_Thessaly 11.17
12 Tunisian_Jewish 13.01
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.72
14 North_Italian 16.48
15 Cyprian 17.81
16 Bulgarian 19.23
17 Lebanese_Muslim 20.53
18 Romanian 20.7
19 Syrian 21.58
20 Turkish 22.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.4% Lebanese_Druze + 47.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.86
2 54.6% Lebanese_Druze + 45.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.92
3 50.4% Lebanese_Druze + 49.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.96
4 56.2% Lebanese_Druze + 43.8% Southwest_French @ 1.96
5 71.2% Tuscan + 28.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.27
6 50.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 49.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.3
7 51.3% Lebanese_Christian + 48.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.33
8 66% Italian_Abruzzo + 34% Italian_Jewish @ 2.34
9 79.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 20.5% West_German @ 2.36
10 52% Lebanese_Druze + 48% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.37
11 59.5% North_Italian + 40.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.41
12 80.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 19.9% South_Dutch @ 2.43
13 51.4% Lebanese_Druze + 48.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.46
14 50.4% Lebanese_Druze + 49.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.49
15 82.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 17.5% Southeast_English @ 2.49
16 54.7% Lebanese_Druze + 45.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.54
17 83% Sephardic_Jewish + 17% Southwest_English @ 2.55
18 50.1% Portuguese + 49.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.58
19 83.6% Sephardic_Jewish + 16.4% Irish @ 2.59
20 83.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 16.7% Orcadian @ 2.59


Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.63
2 Atlantic 17.37
3 West_Med 15.82
4 West_Asian 13.07
5 North_Sea 9.51
6 Red_Sea 6.02
7 Baltic 4.85
8 Eastern_Euro 2.1
9 Northeast_African 1.64

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 4.12
2 South_Italian 4.79
3 East_Sicilian 4.85
4 Italian_Abruzzo 5.12
5 Central_Greek 5.92
6 Italian_Jewish 6.85
7 Sephardic_Jewish 7.24
8 Ashkenazi 7.45
9 Algerian_Jewish 8.56
10 Greek 9.84
11 Tuscan 10.19
12 Greek_Thessaly 11.39
13 Tunisian_Jewish 11.43
14 Libyan_Jewish 14.17
15 Cyprian 15.38
16 North_Italian 16.61
17 Bulgarian 17.23
18 Lebanese_Muslim 18.29
19 Romanian 19.22
20 Syrian 19.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.2% West_Sicilian + 12.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.25
2 84.1% West_Sicilian + 15.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.27
3 71% Italian_Abruzzo + 29% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.27
4 88.1% West_Sicilian + 11.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.3
5 88.2% West_Sicilian + 11.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.34
6 87.7% West_Sicilian + 12.3% Assyrian @ 2.35
7 87.2% West_Sicilian + 12.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.4
8 50.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 49.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.41
9 51.6% Lebanese_Christian + 48.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.52
10 88.8% West_Sicilian + 11.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.54
11 64.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 35.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.56
12 60.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 39.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.57
13 82.6% West_Sicilian + 17.4% Cyprian @ 2.61
14 87.1% West_Sicilian + 12.9% Samaritan @ 2.65
15 85.9% West_Sicilian + 14.1% Syrian @ 2.66
16 55% Lebanese_Druze + 45% Southwest_French @ 2.67
17 59.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.68
18 87.7% West_Sicilian + 12.3% Palestinian @ 2.72
19 68.5% West_Sicilian + 31.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.73
20 60.2% Cyprian + 39.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.74


MDLP K23:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.54
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.39
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.48
4 Near_East 11.03
5 South_Central_Asian 7.06
6 North_African 6.82


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_West_ @ 2.128084
2 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 2.731944
3 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 2.929053
4 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 3.999609
5 Sicilian_East_ @ 4.361668
6 Maltese_ @ 4.561017
7 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 4.747752
8 French_Jew_ @ 5.894740
9 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 6.786006
10 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.028971
11 Romanian_Jew_ @ 8.054306
12 Sicilian_Center_ @ 8.190845
13 Cretan_ @ 8.211190
14 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 8.729365
15 Italian_Jew_ @ 8.956074
16 Turk_Jew_ @ 9.114011
17 Italian_South_ @ 9.197530
18 Greek_Athens_ @ 10.031817
19 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 10.283364
20 Greek_ @ 10.824447

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sicilian_Agrigento_ +50% Sicilian_West_ @ 1.664616


MDLP World:
# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 40.12
2 Middle_East 25.16
3 Caucaus_Parsia 20.25
4 North_and_East_European 12.62
5 Sub_Saharian 1.1
6 Melanesian 0.48
7 Arctic_Amerind 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Romania 3.14
2 Sicilian 5.38
3 Greek_East 6.28
4 Greek_Cretan 6.41
5 Italian-Center 6.62
6 Greek_Center 7.59
7 Italian-South 7.68
8 Jew_France 8.18
9 Greek_South 8.23
10 Ashkenazim 8.25
11 Jew_Italia 8.42
12 Greek_North 8.88
13 Ashkenazim_V 9.13
14 Sephardim 10.64
15 Jew_Algeria 12.29
16 Greek_Azov 13.08
17 Jew_Tunisia 14.09
18 Jew_Morocco 14.33
19 Cypriot 14.81
20 Jew_Syria 16.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.6% Greek_Center + 12.4% Saudi @ 0.86
2 59.7% Jew_Syria + 40.3% Provancal @ 1.07
3 86.6% Greek_Center + 13.4% Bedouin @ 1.16
4 87.4% Greek_Center + 12.6% Jew_Yemen @ 1.22
5 57.9% Jew_Syria + 42.1% Italian_North @ 1.26
6 89.6% Greek_East + 10.4% Saudi @ 1.3
7 53.1% Portugese + 46.9% Jew_Georgia @ 1.32
8 61.5% Greek_North + 38.5% Jew_Tunisia @ 1.33
9 55.6% Portugese + 44.4% Jew-Iraqi @ 1.34
10 88.8% Greek_East + 11.2% Bedouin @ 1.35
11 64.8% Jew_Syria + 35.2% French @ 1.42
12 60.4% Jew_Syria + 39.6% Swiss @ 1.48
13 62.1% Ashkenazim_V + 37.9% Cypriot @ 1.5
14 65.3% Greek_North + 34.7% Jew_Libya @ 1.51
15 52.9% Iberian + 47.1% Jew-Iraqi @ 1.61
16 50.3% Iberian + 49.7% Jew_Georgia @ 1.65
17 89.2% Italian-Center + 10.8% Saudi @ 1.66
18 89.6% Greek_East + 10.4% Jew_Yemen @ 1.67
19 58.3% Greek_North + 41.7% Jew_Algeria @ 1.75
20 50.6% Druze + 49.4% Portugese @ 1.88



Harappaworld:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.26
2 Mediterranean 26.77
3 NE-Euro 15.94
4 SW-Asian 13.96
5 Baloch 7.81
6 E-African 1.37
7 Siberian 0.53
8 W-African 0.21
9 American 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 3.24
2 ashkenazi (harappa) 4.87
3 sephardic-jew (behar) 8.08
4 morocco-jew (behar) 9.16
5 tuscan (1000genomes) 11.4
6 tuscan (hgdp) 12
7 tuscan (hapmap) 12.62
8 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 15.95
9 cypriot (behar) 18.55
10 italian (hgdp) 20.11
11 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 20.52
12 lebanese (behar) 21.19
13 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 21.27
14 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 21.3
15 romanian-a (behar) 21.54
16 turk (behar) 22.82
17 turkish (harappa) 23.39
18 syrian (behar) 23.79
19 lebanese-muslim (haber) 23.85
20 palestinian (harappa) 24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.2% tuscan (1000genomes) + 34.8% lebanese (behar) @ 1.74
2 56.6% italian (hgdp) + 43.4% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 1.86
3 94.5% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 5.5% basque (hgdp) @ 1.87
4 94.4% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 5.6% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.91
5 66.1% tuscan (hapmap) + 33.9% jordanian (behar) @ 1.93
6 93.2% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 6.8% sardinian (hgdp) @ 1.97
7 68.4% tuscan (1000genomes) + 31.6% jordanian (behar) @ 2.03
8 65.8% tuscan (hapmap) + 34.2% palestinian (harappa) @ 2.1
9 92.7% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 7.3% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.11
10 65.6% tuscan (hapmap) + 34.4% syrian (behar) @ 2.12
11 68.1% tuscan (1000genomes) + 31.9% palestinian (harappa) @ 2.16
12 51.3% italian (hgdp) + 48.7% lebanese (behar) @ 2.22
13 84.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 15.9% tuscan (hapmap) @ 2.23
14 89.6% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 10.4% italian (hgdp) @ 2.27
15 54% lebanese-christian (haber) + 46% spaniard (behar) @ 2.28
16 83.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 16.9% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.31
17 68% tuscan (1000genomes) + 32% syrian (behar) @ 2.33
18 59.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 40.9% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.35
19 53.8% lebanese-druze (haber) + 46.2% spaniard (behar) @ 2.41
20 84.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 15.4% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.46


PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 39.49
2 West_Asia 23.61
3 SW_Asia 16.58
4 NE_Europe 15.91
5 East_Africa 1.31
6 Siberia 1.27
7 NE_Asia 0.98
8 West_Africa 0.64
9 Oceania 0.18
10 SE_Asia 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Sicilian 2.08
2 Ashkenazy_Jew 3.06
3 Sephardic_Jew 5.29
4 Italian_Abruzzo 5.88
5 Greek_Central 7.5
6 Greek_Thessaly 11.68
7 Albanian 12.19
8 Italian_Tuscan 13.2
9 Kosovar 13.55
10 Cypriot 13.86
11 Turkish 15.75
12 Turkish_Kayseri 17.93
13 Turkish_Aydin 18.34
14 Bulgarian 18.48
15 Macedonian 18.66
16 Italian_Bergamo 18.8
17 Syrian 18.97
18 Lebanese_Christian 19.02
19 Lebanese_Druze 19.65
20 Jordanian 20.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98% Italian_Sicilian + 2% Oroqen @ 1.38
2 97.7% Italian_Sicilian + 2.3% Mongolian @ 1.42
3 97.9% Italian_Sicilian + 2.1% Tuvinian @ 1.43
4 98.3% Italian_Sicilian + 1.7% Yakut @ 1.46
5 98.1% Italian_Sicilian + 1.9% Daur @ 1.46
6 97.7% Italian_Sicilian + 2.3% Altaian @ 1.49
7 98.2% Italian_Sicilian + 1.8% Dolgan @ 1.5
8 98.2% Italian_Sicilian + 1.8% Xibo @ 1.51
9 98.4% Italian_Sicilian + 1.6% Koryak @ 1.55
10 98.6% Italian_Sicilian + 1.4% Nganasan @ 1.56
11 98.4% Italian_Sicilian + 1.6% Chukchi @ 1.6
12 98.5% Italian_Sicilian + 1.5% Japanese @ 1.63
13 98.5% Italian_Sicilian + 1.5% Korean @ 1.64
14 98.5% Italian_Sicilian + 1.5% Han_North_China @ 1.66
15 98.5% Italian_Sicilian + 1.5% Naxi @ 1.66
16 98.2% Italian_Sicilian + 1.8% Selkup @ 1.67
17 98.5% Italian_Sicilian + 1.5% Eskimo @ 1.7
18 98.6% Italian_Sicilian + 1.4% Han_South_China @ 1.74
19 98.7% Italian_Sicilian + 1.3% She @ 1.76
20 98.7% Italian_Sicilian + 1.3% Miaozu @ 1.77

Cristiano viejo
02-02-2018, 01:14 PM
Villarosa... curious name... some Spanish villages also have that name...

Sikeliot
02-02-2018, 03:11 PM
Thoughts on the result?

Coolguy1
02-02-2018, 04:08 PM
Nothing too odd

Leto
02-02-2018, 05:34 PM
Thoughts on the result?
Thanks for adding K13 this time.

I think the result is not so unusual looking at the oracles.

Sikeliot
02-02-2018, 05:58 PM
Thanks for adding K13 this time.

I think the result is not so unusual looking at the oracles.

Do you think it leans more Euro or more MENA compared to most Sicilians or right in the middle?

Leto
02-02-2018, 06:01 PM
Do you think it leans more Euro or more MENA compared to most Sicilians or right in the middle?
Not sure. Try the mixed mode on K13, more than 2 components.

Sikeliot
02-02-2018, 09:46 PM
Not sure. Try the mixed mode on K13, more than 2 components.

I will post it when I'm on my computer.

I use closeness to Iberia and mainland Greece to gauge if it's a more Euro result than average, since most SE Sicilians score Iberia over Lebanon... this result gets Lebanon ahead of Iberia, and Sephardim over mainland Greeks.

Leto
02-02-2018, 09:50 PM
I will post it when I'm on my computer.

I use closeness to Iberia and mainland Greece to gauge if it's a more Euro result than average, since most SE Sicilians score Iberia over Lebanon... this result gets Lebanon ahead of Iberia, and Sephardim over mainland Greeks.
Well, it is indeed interesting that the person is basically half Spanish/Portuguese and half Druze or Lebanese.

50.6% Druze + 49.4% Portugese @ 1.88
50.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 49.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.41

2-3 is a pretty small distance. Sometimes people have no mixed ancestry and their distance from the reference pop is still longer.

brennus dux gallorum
02-02-2018, 09:51 PM
he may has some extra medieval Arab ancestry

Loki
02-02-2018, 09:52 PM
Thoughts on the result?

Quite a lot of Viking it seems.

Bobby Martnen
02-02-2018, 09:55 PM
I use closeness to Iberia and mainland Greece to gauge if it's a more Euro result than average, since most SE Sicilians score Iberia over Lebanon.

Sikeliot, you should Grab the Gauge!

Dick
02-02-2018, 09:57 PM
He's a redneck Sicilian?

Bobby Martnen
02-02-2018, 09:57 PM
He's a redneck Sicilian?

The better question is "is he a SI1CILIAN?"

Sikeliot
02-02-2018, 11:22 PM
Well, it is indeed interesting that the person is basically half Spanish/Portuguese and half Druze or Lebanese.

50.6% Druze + 49.4% Portugese @ 1.88
50.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 49.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.41

2-3 is a pretty small distance. Sometimes people have no mixed ancestry and their distance from the reference pop is still longer.

Here was what you asked for:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Druze +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.069421

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Druze +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.963765


1 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.493746
2 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.564232
3 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.602863
4 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.648817
5 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.750673
6 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.757728
7 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.776579
8 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.787552
9 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.831092
10 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.854060
11 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.881421
12 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Southwest_French + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.888557
13 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.904902
14 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.915878
15 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish + Southwest_French @ 1.926305
16 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Southwest_French @ 1.932926
17 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.934712
18 Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.935251
19 Lebanese_Druze + Lebanese_Druze + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.963765
20 Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Sicilian @ 2.010052

chyyris
02-02-2018, 11:25 PM
6,05% Baltic!

According to some Arab sources some Slavs (Saqaliba) were settled in Sicily.

Sikeliot
02-02-2018, 11:29 PM
6,05% Baltic!

According to some Arab sources some Slavs (Saqaliba) were settled in Sicily.

Eastern Sicily in general scores more Baltic because they have more Greek and Balkan ancestry, so I would attribute it to Greek immigration to Sicily that happened after Greece had absorbed some Slavs.

But overall to me the result is more like a western Sicilian, being intermediate between Iberia and the Levant.

chyyris
02-02-2018, 11:37 PM
Eastern Sicily in general scores more Baltic because they have more Greek and Balkan ancestry, so I would attribute it to Greek immigration to Sicily that happened after Greece had absorbed some Slavs.

But overall to me the result is more like a western Sicilian, being intermediate between Iberia and the Levant.

Which part of Italy has the highest Baltic score?

Bobby Martnen
02-02-2018, 11:44 PM
Which part of Italy has the highest Baltic score?

Probably NE Italy

chyyris
02-02-2018, 11:47 PM
Probably NE Italy

Probably because of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavia_Friulana

Sikeliot
02-02-2018, 11:54 PM
Which part of Italy has the highest Baltic score?

NE. But in Sicily the east side of the island definitely has more than the west.

Leto
02-03-2018, 12:15 AM
6,05% Baltic!

According to some Arab sources some Slavs (Saqaliba) were settled in Sicily.
All Europeans score Baltic. Also, many South and Central Asians do.

Sikeliot
02-03-2018, 01:38 AM
All Europeans score Baltic. Also, many South and Central Asians do.

Here is Eurogenes K36.

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 3.28
Armenian 8.10
Basque 1.47
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.53
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.32
East_Med 15.50
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 4.80
Iberian 8.87
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 18.66
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 15.63
North_African 2.72
North_Atlantic 2.58
North_Caucasian 0.33
North_Sea 5.25
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.33
West_Med 4.62

chyyris
02-03-2018, 03:14 AM
All Europeans score Baltic. Also, many South and Central Asians do.

Not all, Sardinians have 0% Baltic.

Leto
02-03-2018, 08:11 AM
Not all, Sardinians have 0% Baltic.
They are the only ones like that. An island isolated group.

MercifulServant
02-03-2018, 08:13 AM
Looks like a Sicilian result, why is it rare?

Sikeliot
02-03-2018, 11:29 AM
Looks like a Sicilian result, why is it rare?

I mean it is rare to find a result from somewhere so isolated and rural.

If you look at Eurogenes K36 there is less "western" type admixture than what is typical and the result has high percentages of Near Eastern components.