Why Eurogenes K13 seemingly can't be accurate

[TEUTORIGOS]

I don't think Eurogenes K13 can objectively scientifically be more accurate than than Eurogenes K15 and the original EUtest because it combines Atlantic and NorthSea components into one North_Atlantic category.


Here are maps of Atlantic and NorthSea components :

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FltSej-D4MdwxVYD7sBOktLg-1WSfPlbMRsBky7-Ys2PiQvatWTJ084e9frfwOcRrKp_SDDtjw9x_A=w1600-h769-rw

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FltSej-D4MdwxVYD7sBOktLg-1WSfPlbMRsBky7-Ys2PiQvatWTJ084e9frfwOcRrKp_SDDtjw9x_A=w1600-h769-rw


Obviously, for example, the English and Scottish are going to probably have more NorthSea than the Irish , on average, and the Scottish and Irish are going to be higher in Atlantic components probably too. The above maps are not good at showing that by the way but they are good at showing where each component peaks in a more widely general sense. The NorthSea component probably peaks in Norway but the above maps are not good at showing that instead it shows a more dull general trend across northern Europe. In K15 the Irish sample is higher in NorthSea than the English samples but this has to be a mistake or else the southern English are not as high in NorthSea as Yorkshire England etc... because Yorkshire without a doubt would be higher. That the Irish score so high in the NorthSea component makes me think it is a Northern Irish Ulster Scot sample or something like that but I am not sure about that.


Now Eurogenes K15, on the otherhand, breaks the North_Atlantic K13 component into NorthSea and Atlantic components. The Atlantic component in the Irish is 30.66 the Atlantic component in the Scottish is 30.46 (the NorthSea component is higher in West Scottish than Irish too)and for the SouthWest English the Atlantic component is 28.94 etc... So as we can see these small differences K13 has to miss especially since not all the populations of the Irish, English, Scottish groups are going to have the exact average to make the single North_Atlantic number be able to differentiate accurately between these populations. So these kind of small differentiations can make all the difference in the world. Of course there are other limitations like no Northern English samples , Ulster Scot samples, and SouthEast Scottish samples but both these tests can be said to suffer from such limitations.


They all give me different results too but Eutest one and Eutest 2 are more similar to each other than K13 :

Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.81
2 Baltic 23.36
3 West_Med 13.17
4 West_Asian 8.10
5 Siberian 1.37
6 Oceanian 1.15


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.849845
2 Orcadian @ 4.409239
3 West_Scottish @ 4.822096




Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.89
2 Atlantic 27.28
3 Baltic 9.99
4 Eastern_Euro 9.52
5 West_Med 8.99
6 West_Asian 4.70


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.214358
2 Southeast_English @ 4.294276
3 North_Dutch @ 4.408605
4 Danish @ 4.771735
5 West_Scottish @ 4.953473

EUtest 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

EUtest Oracle population reference data revised 06 Nov 2012.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 29.96
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.77
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.91
4 WEST_MED 10.57
5 EAST_EURO 10.27
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.44
7 EAST_MED 2.47
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.59


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 2.572646
2 Cornish @ 2.927963 (SouthWest English)
3 IE @ 2.939580
4 Scottish @ 3.636564
5 English @ 4.970222

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +50% Scottish @ 1.968661

Cornish = SouthWest English


So K13 says my closest single population is Irish where K15 says SouthWest English. This is not a minor discrepancy as confusing the Irish and West Scottish is more understandable than confusing the Irish and the English. So do you guys agree with my analysis here ?

[TEUTORIGOS]

So why does K13 say my closest population is Irish and K15 says my closest population is English while no one is trying to actively fix this problem on Eurogenes ? Because Eurogenes was engineered or created by a fucking Polack ! That is why :

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L1_lu4MAmrY/VXIG4s1WUnI/AAAAAAAAJl4/0bRoCPfWSDs/s1600/fark_VS2EozB8frXuVQ0hYyW1bO0fXKU.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pIlDRDdv8k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe7N1soKaWQ

[Peterski]

Because of not enough K, only 13.

[Peterski]

So why does K13 say my closest population is Irish and K15 says my closest population is English while no one is trying to actively fix this problem on Eurogenes ? Because Eurogenes was engineered or created by a fucking Polack ! That is why :

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L1_lu4MAmrY/VXIG4s1WUnI/AAAAAAAAJl4/0bRoCPfWSDs/s1600/fark_VS2EozB8frXuVQ0hYyW1bO0fXKU.jpg

You should stop being crazy and watch Last Westerner's videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB2ONl93KE9Tj7-78XNFSaw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gArBnZJb7LI

[TEUTORIGOS]

Because of not enough K, only 13.

Right so K = population samples and 13 = components.

[TEUTORIGOS]

You should stop being crazy and watch Last Westerner's videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB2ONl93KE9Tj7-78XNFSaw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gArBnZJb7LI


I am not crazy because only an inferior ethnic group like the Polish would create such a mentally deficient slapdash disorganized mess of tools that we know of as Eurogenes. Now Dodecad was made by a Greek monkey (Greeks are not white either) so that explains why it is shitty too. Also, why the hell is K13 the default calculator ? This implies that it is the most 'accurate' on Eurogenes.

It would be perfectly understandable if K13 and K15 said Scottish and the other Irish or vice versa or English and the other Scottish or vice versa but it is not acceptable for K13 to say I am closest to the Irish and K15 to say that I am closest to the English. That you accept this state of affairs as acceptable shows how lazy and mentally deficient you are.


Obviously , GEDmatch is largely free and I did not pay for it so you might argue I have no reason to complain. However, that is missing the larger point that if these tools were better I probably would have donated some money to GEDmatch or Eurogenes.

[TeutonicBoyars]

I literally can't tell if you're being serious or not. No ethnicity test, whether professional ones like 23andMe or AncestryDNA are exact science. The free ones which we have access to thanks to an individual's hard work is no exception. Still, they are all at least reasonably accurate.

Furthermore, in another thread I believe you said you were mostly Irish/Celtic, which Eurogenes K13 seemed to pick up rather well. K15 lists you as English, but the creator of Eurogenes as blatantly stated that Eurogenes K13 is better for "mixed persons" and new worlders than K15, which, incidentally, has also been my experience.

I mean if you wanna troll, that's fine, but at least put it in the Troll Carnival section.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't think Eurogenes K13 can objectively scientifically be more accurate than than Eurogenes K15 and the original EUtest because it combines Atlantic and NorthSea components into one North_Atlantic category.


Obviously, for example, the English and Scottish are going to probably have more NorthSea than the Irish , on average, and the Scottish and Irish are going to be higher in Atlantic components probably too. The above maps are not good at showing that by the way but they are good at showing where each component peaks in a more widely general sense. The NorthSea component probably peaks in Norway but the above maps are not good at showing that instead it shows a more dull general trend across northern Europe. In K15 the Irish sample is higher in NorthSea than the English samples but this has to be a mistake or else the southern English are not as high in NorthSea as Yorkshire England etc... because Yorkshire without a doubt would be higher. That the Irish score so high in the NorthSea component makes me think it is a Northern Irish Ulster Scot sample or something like that but I am not sure about that.


Now Eurogenes K15, on the otherhand, breaks the North_Atlantic K13 component into NorthSea and Atlantic components. The Atlantic component in the Irish is 30.66 the Atlantic component in the Scottish is 30.46 (the NorthSea component is higher in West Scottish than Irish too)and for the SouthWest English the Atlantic component is 28.94 etc... So as we can see these small differences K13 has to miss especially since not all the populations of the Irish, English, Scottish groups are going to have the exact average to make the single North_Atlantic number be able to differentiate accurately between these populations. So these kind of small differentiations can make all the difference in the world. Of course there are other limitations like no Northern English samples , Ulster Scot samples, and SouthEast Scottish samples but both these tests can be said to suffer from such limitations.


So K13 says my closest single population is Irish where K15 says SouthWest English. This is not a minor discrepancy as confusing the Irish and West Scottish is more understandable than confusing the Irish and the English. So do you guys agree with my analysis here ?

No the Irish score high in North Sea. Here's a map from Eurogenes.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2nbhqno.jpg

Here's my results followed by my brother's. We are both Irish and not Ulster Scots. We both have higher North Sea than you.

K15 (mine)

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.04
2 Atlantic 29.88
3 Baltic 11.89
4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
5 West_Asian 5.16
6 West_Med 4.95
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Red_Sea 1.1
9 Siberian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 3.03
2 West_Scottish 3.18
3 North_Dutch 3.71
4 Danish 3.92
5 Orcadian 4.92
6 Southeast_English 5.05
7 North_German 5.1
8 Southwest_English 6.72
9 Norwegian 7.23
10 West_Norwegian 7.49
11 Swedish 8.02
12 South_Dutch 9.76
13 West_German 10.83
14 North_Swedish 10.95
15 East_German 14.23
16 French 14.47
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.54
18 Austrian 18.1
19 Hungarian 18.79
20 Finnish 18.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Swedish @ 2.74
2 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Chechen @ 2.76
3 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.77
4 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Tabassaran @ 2.78
5 89.9% Irish + 10.1% North_Swedish @ 2.79
6 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Chechen @ 2.8
7 67.9% Irish + 32.1% North_Dutch @ 2.81
8 74.3% West_Scottish + 25.7% North_German @ 2.82
9 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Lezgin @ 2.82
10 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Kabardin @ 2.82
11 86.3% Irish + 13.7% West_Norwegian @ 2.83
12 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Adygei @ 2.83
13 97% West_Scottish + 3% Tabassaran @ 2.83
14 98% Irish + 2% North_Ossetian @ 2.84
15 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Lezgin @ 2.84
16 86.3% Irish + 13.7% Norwegian @ 2.84
17 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Balkar @ 2.85
18 94.8% Irish + 5.2% Finnish @ 2.85
19 96% Irish + 4% Estonian @ 2.86
20 98% Irish + 2% Kabardin @ 2.86


K15 (brother)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.02
2 Atlantic 28.5
3 Eastern_Euro 9.98
4 Baltic 9.12
5 West_Med 7.56
6 West_Asian 5.23
7 South_Asian 0.94
8 Amerindian 0.66

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 2.86
2 West_Scottish 3.29
3 North_Dutch 3.86
4 Danish 3.88
5 Irish 3.94
6 Southeast_English 4.12
7 Southwest_English 4.99
8 North_German 6.29
9 Norwegian 6.64
10 West_Norwegian 6.68
11 Swedish 8.41
12 South_Dutch 8.96
13 West_German 9.41
14 North_Swedish 11.21
15 French 13.25
16 East_German 14.5
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.66
18 Austrian 18.83
19 Hungarian 19.23
20 Finnish 19.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.9% Orcadian + 6.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.13
2 94.7% Orcadian + 5.3% Erzya @ 2.15
3 88.5% Orcadian + 11.5% East_German @ 2.16
4 94.1% Orcadian + 5.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.18
5 94.2% Orcadian + 5.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.18
6 93.9% Orcadian + 6.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.2
7 96.2% Orcadian + 3.8% Tabassaran @ 2.21
8 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Chechen @ 2.21
9 76.6% Orcadian + 23.4% North_German @ 2.21
10 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Lezgin @ 2.21
11 93% Orcadian + 7% Croatian @ 2.22
12 93.1% Orcadian + 6.9% South_Polish @ 2.22
13 93.3% Orcadian + 6.7% Polish @ 2.23
14 93.4% Orcadian + 6.6% Moldavian @ 2.24
15 94.3% Orcadian + 5.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.24
16 93.6% Orcadian + 6.4% Ukrainian @ 2.26
17 91.5% Orcadian + 8.5% Austrian @ 2.27
18 96.6% Orcadian + 3.4% Kabardin @ 2.27
19 94.5% Orcadian + 5.5% Belorussian @ 2.29
20 96.8% Orcadian + 3.2% Adygei @ 2.29

K13 (Mine)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.04
2 Baltic 25.27
3 West_Med 9.81
4 West_Asian 7.25
5 East_Med 1.77
6 Red_Sea 1.5
7 Amerindian 1.38
8 Siberian 0.75
9 Oceanian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 3.04
2 Irish 3.1
3 Norwegian 3.6
4 West_Scottish 3.61
5 Orcadian 3.82
6 Danish 3.86
7 North_German 5.45
8 Southeast_English 6.09
9 Southwest_English 6.26
10 Swedish 6.5
11 South_Dutch 10.22
12 West_German 11.04
13 North_Swedish 12.82
14 Austrian 15.29
15 East_German 15.45
16 French 15.89
17 Hungarian 19.56
18 Southwest_Finnish 21.09
19 Spanish_Cataluna 23.25
20 South_Polish 24.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.1% Irish + 42.9% Norwegian @ 2.28
2 50.1% Norwegian + 49.9% West_Scottish @ 2.33
3 77.2% Irish + 22.8% Swedish @ 2.54
4 51.6% North_Dutch + 48.4% Irish @ 2.56
5 70.2% West_Scottish + 29.8% Swedish @ 2.58
6 61.6% North_Dutch + 38.4% West_Scottish @ 2.6
7 88.2% Irish + 11.8% North_Swedish @ 2.61
8 94.4% Irish + 5.6% Finnish @ 2.67
9 94.5% Irish + 5.5% La_Brana-1 @ 2.68
10 93.4% Irish + 6.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.72
11 95.3% Irish + 4.7% East_Finnish @ 2.72
12 76.2% Irish + 23.8% North_German @ 2.72
13 66.7% West_Scottish + 33.3% North_German @ 2.74
14 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Chuvash @ 2.74
15 84.2% West_Scottish + 15.8% North_Swedish @ 2.75
16 65.5% Irish + 34.5% Danish @ 2.75
17 92% West_Scottish + 8% Finnish @ 2.77
18 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Mari @ 2.78
19 95.4% Irish + 4.6% Estonian @ 2.79
20 96.4% Irish + 3.6% Erzya @ 2.8

K15 (Brother)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.51
2 Baltic 24.22
3 West_Med 12.51
4 West_Asian 8.6
5 South_Asian 1.63
6 Amerindian 1
7 East_Asian 0.3
8 Sub-Saharan 0.19
9 Red_Sea 0.02
10 East_Med 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 2.61
2 West_Scottish 3.62
3 Orcadian 4.03
4 North_Dutch 4.63
5 Danish 5.12
6 Southwest_English 5.23
7 Norwegian 5.6
8 Southeast_English 5.99
9 North_German 6.48
10 Swedish 8.06
11 South_Dutch 9.78
12 West_German 10.81
13 North_Swedish 14.46
14 French 15.18
15 Austrian 15.38
16 East_German 15.49
17 Hungarian 19.97
18 Spanish_Cataluna 22.09
19 Southwest_Finnish 22.44
20 Southwest_French 22.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Kalash @ 2.03
2 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Balochi @ 2.05
3 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Brahui @ 2.07
4 97% Irish + 3% Tabassaran @ 2.11
5 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Burusho @ 2.14
6 97.3% Irish + 2.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.14
7 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Chechen @ 2.15
8 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.17
9 97.3% Irish + 2.7% Lezgin @ 2.17
10 97.5% Irish + 2.5% North_Ossetian @ 2.18
11 97.9% Irish + 2.1% Makrani @ 2.18
12 97.5% Irish + 2.5% Ossetian @ 2.18
13 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Kabardin @ 2.19
14 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Pathan @ 2.19
15 97.9% Irish + 2.1% Sindhi @ 2.2
16 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Tadjik @ 2.2
17 97.5% Irish + 2.5% Balkar @ 2.21
18 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Adygei @ 2.23
19 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.27
20 98.1% Irish + 1.9% Abhkasian @ 2.27

[celticdragongod]

I don't think Eurogenes K13 can objectively scientifically be more accurate than than Eurogenes K15 and the original EUtest because it combines Atlantic and NorthSea components into one North_Atlantic category.


Here are maps of Atlantic and NorthSea components :

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FltSej-D4MdwxVYD7sBOktLg-1WSfPlbMRsBky7-Ys2PiQvatWTJ084e9frfwOcRrKp_SDDtjw9x_A=w1600-h769-rw

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FltSej-D4MdwxVYD7sBOktLg-1WSfPlbMRsBky7-Ys2PiQvatWTJ084e9frfwOcRrKp_SDDtjw9x_A=w1600-h769-rw


Obviously, for example, the English and Scottish are going to probably have more NorthSea than the Irish , on average, and the Scottish and Irish are going to be higher in Atlantic components probably too. The above maps are not good at showing that by the way but they are good at showing where each component peaks in a more widely general sense. The NorthSea component probably peaks in Norway but the above maps are not good at showing that instead it shows a more dull general trend across northern Europe. In K15 the Irish sample is higher in NorthSea than the English samples but this has to be a mistake or else the southern English are not as high in NorthSea as Yorkshire England etc... because Yorkshire without a doubt would be higher. That the Irish score so high in the NorthSea component makes me think it is a Northern Irish Ulster Scot sample or something like that but I am not sure about that.


Now Eurogenes K15, on the otherhand, breaks the North_Atlantic K13 component into NorthSea and Atlantic components. The Atlantic component in the Irish is 30.66 the Atlantic component in the Scottish is 30.46 (the NorthSea component is higher in West Scottish than Irish too)and for the SouthWest English the Atlantic component is 28.94 etc... So as we can see these small differences K13 has to miss especially since not all the populations of the Irish, English, Scottish groups are going to have the exact average to make the single North_Atlantic number be able to differentiate accurately between these populations. So these kind of small differentiations can make all the difference in the world. Of course there are other limitations like no Northern English samples , Ulster Scot samples, and SouthEast Scottish samples but both these tests can be said to suffer from such limitations.


They all give me different results too but Eutest one and Eutest 2 are more similar to each other than K13 :

Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.81
2 Baltic 23.36
3 West_Med 13.17
4 West_Asian 8.10
5 Siberian 1.37
6 Oceanian 1.15


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.849845
2 Orcadian @ 4.409239
3 West_Scottish @ 4.822096




Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.89
2 Atlantic 27.28
3 Baltic 9.99
4 Eastern_Euro 9.52
5 West_Med 8.99
6 West_Asian 4.70


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.214358
2 Southeast_English @ 4.294276
3 North_Dutch @ 4.408605
4 Danish @ 4.771735
5 West_Scottish @ 4.953473

EUtest 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

EUtest Oracle population reference data revised 06 Nov 2012.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 29.96
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.77
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.91
4 WEST_MED 10.57
5 EAST_EURO 10.27
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.44
7 EAST_MED 2.47
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.59


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 2.572646
2 Cornish @ 2.927963 (SouthWest English)
3 IE @ 2.939580
4 Scottish @ 3.636564
5 English @ 4.970222

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +50% Scottish @ 1.968661

Cornish = SouthWest English


So K13 says my closest single population is Irish where K15 says SouthWest English. This is not a minor discrepancy as confusing the Irish and West Scottish is more understandable than confusing the Irish and the English. So do you guys agree with my analysis here ?

It works better for some people than for others. No calculator is best for everyone. For you, the K15 may be best while the K13 works best for others.

[celticdragongod]

I am not crazy because only an inferior ethnic group like the Polish would create such a mentally deficient slapdash disorganized mess of tools that we know of as Eurogenes.

I guess we can expect to see your racially superior calculator any day now.

[celticdragongod]

[size=4]So why does K13 say my closest population is Irish and K15 says my closest population is English while no one is trying to actively fix this problem on Eurogenes ?

Like many northwestern Europeans, the Irish and the English are closely related which is why you can be Irish under K13 and English under k15.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Like many northwestern Europeans, the Irish and the English are closely related which is why you can be Irish under K13 and English under k15.

Ok, but the Irish are more closely related to the Scottish who are in turn more closely related to the English which means Eurogenes calculators are shit.

[Norka]

I am not crazy because only an inferior ethnic group like the Polish would create such a mentally deficient slapdash disorganized mess of tools that we know of as Eurogenes. Now Dodecad was made by a Greek monkey (Greeks are not white either) so that explains why it is shitty too. Also, why the hell is K13 the default calculator ? This implies that it is the most 'accurate' on Eurogenes.

It would be perfectly understandable if K13 and K15 said Scottish and the other Irish or vice versa or English and the other Scottish or vice versa but it is not acceptable for K13 to say I am closest to the Irish and K15 to say that I am closest to the English. That you accept this state of affairs as acceptable shows how lazy and mentally deficient you are.


Obviously , GEDmatch is largely free and I did not pay for it so you might argue I have no reason to complain. However, that is missing the larger point that if these tools were better I probably would have donated some money to GEDmatch or Eurogenes.

Stop complaining it is well known that Pollock science is as retarded and autistic as the pollock members on this forum have you met them? Rethel is one such induvidual they pretend to know shit and put emphasis on muh R1a we wuz aryan n shit.

[LoLeL]

None of the the current genetic calculators give you perfect accurate results.

[TEUTORIGOS]

None of the the current genetic calculators give you perfect accurate results.

You are missing the point I am not asking for perfect accurate results. For instance, if K13 said Irish and K15 West Scottish that would be an acceptable margin of error as would a K13 Scottish and K15 English result. A K13 Irish and K15 English result is not an acceptable margin of error.

[LoLeL]

You are missing the point I am not asking for perfect accurate results. For instance, if K13 said Irish and K15 West Scottish that would be an acceptable margin of error as would a K13 Scottish and K15 English result. A K13 Irish and K15 English result is not an acceptable margin of error.

Then you should ask Davidski (http://eurogenes.blogspot.com) about it.

[celticdragongod]

You are missing the point I am not asking for perfect accurate results. For instance, if K13 said Irish and K15 West Scottish that would be an acceptable margin of error as would a K13 Scottish and K15 English result. A K13 Irish and K15 English result is not an acceptable margin of error.

Sorry that human biology does not comply with your demands.

[celticdragongod]

Ok, but the Irish are more closely related to the Scottish who are in turn more closely related to the English which means Eurogenes calculators are shit.

If you can do better, create your own.

[Peterski]

Like many northwestern Europeans, the Irish and the English are closely related which is why you can be Irish under K13 and English under k15.

That's rather just due to not high enough K. I'm also British on some calculators.

When using high K (like K36 for example) it is easy to tell the Irish and English apart.

My Single Population Sharing top populations in various GEDmatch calculators:

PuntDNAL:
puntDNAL K10: 1 Scottish_West 1.67
puntDNAL K12: 1 Czech 3.51
puntDNAL K13: 1 Belarusian 3.26
puntDNAL K15: 1 Polish 2.06
=====
Gedrosia:
Eurasia K6: 1 Ukrainian 2.07
Eurasia K9: 1 Scottish 2.95
Eurasia K10: 1 Czech
Eurasia K11: 1 Scottish
Eurasia K14: 1 Czech
Gedrosia K3: 1 Croatian & Czech & Norwegian @ 0.000000
Gedrosia K15: 1 Hungarian
Gedrosia K11: 1 Norwegian
Gedrosia K12: 1 Norwegian 11.35
Neolithic K13: 1 Hungarian 5.98
=====
MDLP:
MDLP K16: 1 Pole 2.49
MDLP K23b: 1 Slovak 3.4
MDLP W22: 1 Slovakian 2.21
MDLP World: 1 Ukrainian-West 2.38
=====
Eurogenes:
Eurogenes K13: 1 South_Polish 2.52
Eurogenes K15: 1 South_Polish 3.38
Eurogenes EUtest: 1 PL 4.24
Eurogenes Jtest: 1 PL 4.76
=====
Dodecad:
Dodecad V3: 1 Slovenian 7.86
Dodecad W9: 1 Ukranians 2.4
Dodecad K7b: 1 Ukranians 2.38
Dodecad K12b: 1 Hungarians 7.57

Meanwhile, K36 can not just say that I'm Polish, but even identify the exact region of Poland my ancestry is from (and no, I'm not South Polish as K13 and K15 claim - I'm West Polish).

[MercifulServant]

K13 is good for Eastern Europeans, Personally its my favorite calc

[Albannach]

K13 and K15 seem quite good for me. I'm half west Scot half Irish (mothers side from Carna) and it's interesting that people of full Irish ancestry are getting more North Sea than me. I suspect the North Sea component isn't Germanic per se and probably represents something that predates Vikings, Anglo-Saxons ect, probably Bell Beaker, if my memory is correct they supposedly entered the isles from the low countries.

My K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 54.03
2 Baltic 25.25
3 West_Med 9.71
4 West_Asian 8.06
5 Oceanian 1.26


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 4.329538
2 West_Scottish @ 4.687344
3 Norwegian @ 5.495839
4 North_Dutch @ 5.611037
5 Orcadian @ 5.856822
6 Danish @ 6.361395
7 Southwest_English @ 7.849204
8 North_German @ 8.559730
9 Southeast_English @ 8.623515
10 Swedish @ 8.703302
11 South_Dutch @ 14.016618
12 West_German @ 15.079992
13 North_Swedish @ 15.907981
14 East_German @ 19.947542
15 Austrian @ 19.976006
16 French @ 20.251295
17 Hungarian @ 25.023754
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 25.350130
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 28.112309
20 Southwest_French @ 28.859751

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% West_Scottish @ 4.046698


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% West_Scottish @ 3.988876


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.988876
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 3.991852
3 Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.032971
4 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.046698
5 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 4.062559
6 Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.094030
7 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 4.110023
8 Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.232194
9 Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.254466
10 Irish + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.265510
11 North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.277764
12 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 4.279207
13 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 4.313715
14 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 4.318168
15 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 4.329538
16 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 4.372140
17 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 4.375480
18 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 4.388056
19 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 4.399345
20 Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.403136

My K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.09
2 Atlantic 32.33
3 Baltic 12.09
4 Eastern_Euro 8.40
5 West_Asian 5.60
6 West_Med 4.25


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 4.406830
2 West_Scottish @ 4.848181
3 Danish @ 6.392543
4 Southeast_English @ 6.620290
5 North_Dutch @ 6.642716
6 North_German @ 6.970196
7 Orcadian @ 7.163667
8 Southwest_English @ 8.642787
9 Norwegian @ 10.975751
10 West_Norwegian @ 11.260609
11 Swedish @ 11.673320
12 South_Dutch @ 12.076948
13 West_German @ 14.393886
14 North_Swedish @ 14.676910
15 French @ 17.398327
16 East_German @ 17.586863
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 18.969271
18 Austrian @ 21.510315
19 Finnish @ 22.938845
20 Hungarian @ 23.079041

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 4.406830


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 4.406830


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 4.406830
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 4.465099
3 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 4.465837
4 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 4.490794
5 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.544191
6 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.563385
7 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.626770
8 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 4.633739
9 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.692894
10 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 4.727315
11 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 4.732837
12 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 4.744179
13 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 4.809127
14 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 4.831687
15 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.835853
16 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.848181
17 Danish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.860324
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 4.890840
19 Danish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 4.914174
20 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.926383