Proto-Indo-Europeans genetic makeup?

[TheForeigner]

Assuming that the Proto-Indo-Europeans were the kurgan people of southern Russia and southern Ukraine, what is their exact genetic makeup? What is known about South Asian and non-West Eurasian admixtures that they may or may not have?

[TheForeigner]

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[Leto]

Roughly half EHG and half CHG. As far as I know, both groups had some ANE (Ancient North Eurasian).

[MercifulServant]

They were the true aryans

[MercifulServant]

Roghly half EHG and half CHG. As far as I know, both groups had some ANE (Ancient North Eurasian).

WHat about WHG?

[Leto]

WHat about WHG?
EHG is WHG + ANE, as far as I understand.

[MercifulServant]

EHG is WHG + ANE, as far as I understand.

We are Aryans, proto indo europeans were the true aryans

[TheForeigner]

Roughly half EHG and half CHG. As far as I know, both groups had some ANE (Ancient North Eurasian).

And that is how ANE got in the gene pool of modern Europeans. It was introduced through the expansion of Proto-Indo-Europeans. Any South Asian or non-Caucasoid admixture found in them? And if so, how or where did they get it from?

[TheForeigner]

So they were a Caucasoid group, but what modern populations did they resemble in pigmentation and general physical appearance? And what about Ancient North Eurasian(ANE)? What race were the original ANE people?

[JQP4545]

So they were a Caucasoid group, but what modern populations did they resemble in pigmentation and general physical appearance? And what about Ancient North Eurasian(ANE)? What race were the original ANE people?

Ancient EHG samples have alleles for blonde hair so the Indo-Europeans probably introduced blonde hair to Europe. People from the Caucasus tend to have aquiline noses, dark curly hair, medium-light skin pigmentation and are physically strong. People from the Caucasus dominate in many sports that require physical strength such as wrestling, boxing and mixed martial arts. So perhaps all of those Scandinavians who win strongmen competitions inherited their strength from the CHG. Also, the Indo-Europeans were supposedly physically tall.

[Token]

And what about Ancient North Eurasian(ANE)? What race were the original ANE people?
Among modern living populations, native Americans are the best representatives of how ANE initially looked like.

[Pahli]

Assuming that the Proto-Indo-Europeans were the kurgan people of southern Russia and southern Ukraine, what is their exact genetic makeup? What is known about South Asian and non-West Eurasian admixtures that they may or may not have?

CHG had some South Asian, so its not uncommon to find a little South Asian (1 - 2%) if you have some West Asian admixture.

Kotias:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 66.1
2 NE_Europe 12.18
3 SW_Europe 8.08
4 South_Asia 5.67
5 West_Africa 3.3
6 Siberia 1.9
7 East_Africa 1.45
8 SE_Asia 0.64
9 SW_Asia 0.34
10 South_Africa 0.2
11 Oceania 0.14

[LoLeL]

Among modern living populations, native Americans are the best representatives of how ANE initially looked like.

^This. I told same thing to him and Rethel but they don't want to accept it.

Ethnic groups with highest PIE/IE admixture? (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?234610-Ethnic-groups-with-highest-PIE-IE-admixture)


They are one of the groups with highest ANE. So you can't deny their looks have nothing to do with PIEs.

[TheForeigner]

^This. I told same thing to him and Rethel but they don't want to accept it.

Ethnic groups with highest PIE/IE admixture? (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?234610-Ethnic-groups-with-highest-PIE-IE-admixture)

You said that PIEs looked like Amerindians, not just original ANE people. The latter is also dubious, since Amerindian have a lot more East Eurasian admixture than ANE.

[Rethel]

Assuming that the Proto-Indo-Europeans were the kurgan people of southern Russia and southern Ukraine,

They were not.
It were post-proto-Indoeuropean people, a part of all IEs at that time.


what is their exact genetic makeup? What is known about South Asian and non-West Eurasian admixtures that they may or may not have?

Majority of EHG with minority of caucasian DNA and slight elements of WHG
It is not sure if these applyed to all population, as tested were people from
kurgans - so wealthy leaders, who could be given or they could bought for
themselves a concubines from the Caucasus or western Europe - in addition
living in the very small area of whole Yamna's world.

[TheForeigner]

CHG had some South Asian, so its not uncommon to find a little South Asian (1 - 2%) if you have some West Asian admixture.

Kotias:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 66.1
2 NE_Europe 12.18
3 SW_Europe 8.08
4 South_Asia 5.67
5 West_Africa 3.3
6 Siberia 1.9
7 East_Africa 1.45
8 SE_Asia 0.64
9 SW_Asia 0.34
10 South_Africa 0.2
11 Oceania 0.14

I don't get how they got South Asian admixture or how that found it's way into Europe and Western Asia. Also, more unusual is the African admixture.

[LoLeL]

You said that PIEs looked like Amerindians, not just original ANE people. The latter is also dubious, since Amerindian have a lot more East Eurasian admixture than ANE.

You ignored the other fact: Mal'ta–Buret' culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal%27ta–Buret%27_culture)

The problem is that you try to associate Amerindians with Mongoloid groups.

[Rethel]

Roughly half EHG and half CHG. As far as I know, both groups had some ANE (Ancient North Eurasian).

Nope, not roughly half.


We are Aryans, proto indo europeans were the true aryans

:picard2:



^This. I told same thing to him and Rethel but they don't want to accept it.

And you do not want to accept the simple truth, that ANE is artificial component taken from some castizos crossbreeds.
It is like saying, that pardo au is a well measurable, and that negors and Indians are descendent from pardos... :picard2:


You said that PIEs looked like Amerindians, not just original ANE people. The latter is also dubious, since Amerindian have a lot more East Eurasian admixture than ANE.

He not knows what he is talking about.
He only read what he wanted and what other bizaare theorists claim, for higher sensation.

[Pahli]

I don't get how they got South Asian admixture or how that found it's way into Europe and Western Asia. Also, more unusual is the African admixture.

Not sure where the fuck that came from, but South Asian has always been part of CHG, we don't know where it comes from but it could be ANE related

[LoLeL]

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PIE man

http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/1105/24/bfd4e808e2f9.jpg

[Token]

Based on the huge amount of shared genetic drift of MA-1 and Afontova Gora-2 with Amerindians, and how Mal'ta Buret individuals actually depicted themselves, i'm inclined to say that ANE were originally quite similar to Native Americans and, consequently, Proto-Indo-Europeans were partly Amerindian.

MA-1 shared drift, note how Native Americans are overwhelmingly closer to them than any Eurasian population:
http://anthropogenesis.kinshipstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Anthropogenesis-MaltaSharedDrift.jpg

Mal'ta buret venuses:
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/14/03/14/140314f1ca500a421e26877baf0ec014.jpg

http://simbolospatrios.cl/albums/userpics/10001/normal_F000002634.jpg

[LoLeL]

@Rethel


P1 is, in turn, the parent node of Haplogroup Q (Q-M242) and Haplogroup R (R-M207) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_P_(Y-DNA))

Haplogroup Q (Y-DNA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haplogroup_Q_(Y-DNA).PNG

So it's not strange if PIEs had Amerindian vibe or pseudo-Amerindian looks.

[Rethel]

PIE man

http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/1105/24/bfd4e808e2f9.jpg

As I said, you don;t understand, what you are copying and pasting,
as the oldest IE remains, even those hibrids, have zero, null, nada
of mongoloidic admixture. They ahve some amerindian, so in the
best case they look like typical castizo: Potentia, CrazyDaisy or
Costas. Nothing mongoloidic in them - the more almost 100%.

[Token]

@Rethel

Haplogroup Q (Y-DNA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haplogroup_Q_(Y-DNA).PNG

So it's not strange if PIEs had Amerindian vibe or pseudo-Amerindian looks.

They had, and this has already been proven by anthropometric data long time ago. This Bruenn individual conforms very well the metric means of Yamnaya and Afanasevo skull series:

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe042.jpg

Morphologically, Proto-Indo-Europeans were much closer to native Americans than to skinny, weakass European types like Mediterranean and Nordic.

[Rethel]

So it's not strange if PIEs had Amerindian vibe or pseudo-Amerindian looks.

It is not strange, becasue they were hunting on similar area, so logically the people from two tribes crossed each other many times.
But at the same time, we have a plenty of evidences, that these are totaly separated tribes, with different languages and features.
They also probably did live in totaly separated areas, but crossing on the huge space between them, when they runned for a deer.
They did not have anything common as groups - even if the relation of R and Q is true, what I would not be so sure about anyway.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

@Rethel



Haplogroup Q (Y-DNA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haplogroup_Q_(Y-DNA).PNG

So it's not strange if PIEs had Amerindian vibe or pseudo-Amerindian looks.17200 - 31700 years ago. And originated in south or central asia or siberia

[TheForeigner]

Not sure where the fuck that came from, but South Asian has always been part of CHG, we don't know where it comes from but it could be ANE related

What about the African and Mongoloid admixtures from your posted PIE sample?

[Pahli]

What about the African and Mongoloid admixtures from your posted PIE sample?

EHG that mixed with CHG and became Yamnaya had ANE which is partly Mongoloid / Amerindian. As for the African, either some error with the sample or ancient shit, I have no idea about it.

[TheForeigner]

So how much South Asian and Mongoloid/East Eurasian did PIEs scored?