R1a: The Beast among Y-haplogroups

[LoLeL]

A lot has been written about Y-haplogroup R1a over the years. Sadly, most of it was wrong, such as its posited Pleistocene origin in the Indian subcontinent and subsequent migration to Europe.

In all likelihood, R1a was born somewhere in North Eurasia. More importantly, its R1a-M417 subclade, which encompasses almost 100% of modern-day R1a lineages, no doubt came into existence somewhere on the Pontic-Caspian (or Western) steppe in what is now Ukraine and southern Russia just 7,000-6,000 years ago.

And within a couple of thousand years it expanded in almost all directions, probably on the back of the early Indo-European dispersals (see here), to cover a massive range from Scandinavia to South Asia. It is the beast among Y-haplogroups.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SF74a3xkvg4/WdDa0l5addI/AAAAAAAAGH0/BM8SEreRWfMF_tpH2pfEpd20-68zOE90gCLcBGAs/s1600/R1a-M417_The_Beast.png

The most common subclade of R1a-M417 in South Asia today is R1a-Z93, and, realistically, it couldn't have arrived there earlier than about 2,000BC. So much for the Pleistocene.

[Rethel]

A lot has been written about Y-haplogroup R1a over the years. Sadly, most of it was wrong,

Was wrong only for those, who were gulping everything what they read.

[Dibran]

A lot has been written about Y-haplogroup R1a over the years. Sadly, most of it was wrong, such as its posited Pleistocene origin in the Indian subcontinent and subsequent migration to Europe.

In all likelihood, R1a was born somewhere in North Eurasia. More importantly, its R1a-M417 subclade, which encompasses almost 100% of modern-day R1a lineages, no doubt came into existence somewhere on the Pontic-Caspian (or Western) steppe in what is now Ukraine and southern Russia just 7,000-6,000 years ago.

And within a couple of thousand years it expanded in almost all directions, probably on the back of the early Indo-European dispersals (see here), to cover a massive range from Scandinavia to South Asia. It is the beast among Y-haplogroups.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SF74a3xkvg4/WdDa0l5addI/AAAAAAAAGH0/BM8SEreRWfMF_tpH2pfEpd20-68zOE90gCLcBGAs/s1600/R1a-M417_The_Beast.png

The most common subclade of R1a-M417 in South Asia today is R1a-Z93, and, realistically, it couldn't have arrived there earlier than about 2,000BC. So much for the Pleistocene.

Beast in what sense? The rate of its rapid expansion?

[Ülev]

https://youtu.be/JODRDOZ6zCs

Dr Anatole Klyosov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatole_Klyosov)have said that 5.000 years ago R1a migrated FROM Balkan region

[Dibran]

https://youtu.be/JODRDOZ6zCs

Dr Anatole Klyosov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatole_Klyosov)have said that 5.000 years ago R1a migrated FROM Balkan region

How? theres no ADNA. Other than M417 in the Pontic Caspian Steppe.

[Ülev]

he did not say anything more about it there, on that video, genetic data to me are still in progress, I do not believe of those percentages when only "a few" people were tested, there was data from about 2012 when Hungarians had about 50% of R1a

[LoLeL]

Dr Anatole Klyosov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatole_Klyosov)have said that 5.000 years ago R1a migrated FROM Balkan region
:lol00002:

In 2008 he began publishing work about what he calls "DNA genealogy" that has been dismissed as pseudoscience.

Categories: Genetic genealogy Russian genealogists 1946 births Living people Russian physical chemists Pseudohistorians

[LoLeL]

Beast in what sense? The rate of its rapid expansion?

Language and DNA expansion. You are a product of them, both linguistically and genetically. Don't you agree?

[Dibran]

Language and DNA expansion. You are a product of them, both linguistically and genetically. Don't you agree?

Not linguistically I am not know. Genetically, only my distant ancestor. Very little of my autosomal DNA has anything to do with ethnic groups today where the line is more common. I am basal L1029*. closest match another Albanian with TMRCA 1000 ypb. Rest my matches are 2000-3200ypb.

[LoLeL]

Not linguistically

How not? You're an Albanian and Albanian language is IE. And using English make it 2X.

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

Hi I'm Davidski and my ability to be unbiased is top notch.

[Dibran]

How not? You're an Albanian and Albanian language is IE. And using English make it 2X.

Because Albanian did not come from R1a folk as far as we know. To my knowledge some R1b is indo-european as well. Albanian in my mind was probably originally transmuted by R1b-L23. I don't see how R1a brought Albanian. As for English yea, I guess so, being part of the germanic family of languages I would imagine it falls into that subset.

[Rethel]

I don't see how R1a brought Albanian.

The same as Greek. Can be both. But truely saying without any ancient samples it can't be known.
Of course for Albanians we can forgot about such evidence, but if Greeks would have, or Thraks,
then it is higly possible, or almost certain, that Albanians came on the same manner.

[Art23]

Dr Anatole Klyosov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatole_Klyosov)have said that 5.000 years ago R1a migrated FROM Balkan region

Do not trust Klyosov, Russian genetics say that he is a charlatan.

[Kelmendasi]

The same as Greek. Can be both. But truely saying without any ancient samples it can't be known.
Of course for Albanians we can forgot about such evidence, but if Greeks would have, or Thraks,
then it is higly possible, or almost certain, that Albanians came on the same manner.
The R1 clade which is responsible for the expansion of the Balkanic languages like Albanian is R1b-Z2103 that later became R1b-BY611, this is one of the most common Albanian haplogroups