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She is from Samobor , native of the region :)
http://oi66.tinypic.com/24vjpyb.jpg
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.45
2 North_Atlantic 29.95
3 West_Med 14.25
4 East_Med 11.37
5 West_Asian 6.54
6 Red_Sea 1.25
7 Siberian 0.73
8 Oceanian 0.73
9 Amerindian 0.72
10 Sub-Saharan 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.66
2 Hungarian 3.86
3 Moldavian 5.86
4 Austrian 8.11
5 East_German 8.13
6 Serbian 8.35
7 South_Polish 8.7
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.02
9 Ukrainian 10
10 Polish 12.36
11 Romanian 12.58
12 Southwest_Russian 13.86
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.38
14 Bulgarian 14.97
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.01
16 Estonian_Polish 15.42
17 Belorussian 15.77
18 West_German 15.86
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.47
20 North_Swedish 17.06
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.3% South_Polish + 24.7% Tuscan @ 1.49
2 68.2% Polish + 31.8% Tuscan @ 1.76
3 60.1% Belorussian + 39.9% North_Italian @ 2
4 70.1% Serbian + 29.9% Estonian @ 2.02
5 51.9% Croatian + 48.1% Hungarian @ 2.05
6 63.3% Southwest_Russian + 36.7% North_Italian @ 2.11
7 78.3% South_Polish + 21.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.12
8 51.1% Serbian + 48.9% South_Polish @ 2.14
9 56.3% Lithuanian + 43.7% Tuscan @ 2.16
10 60.1% Serbian + 39.9% Polish @ 2.19
11 61.4% Russian_Smolensk + 38.6% North_Italian @ 2.2
12 73.7% South_Polish + 26.3% North_Italian @ 2.25
13 62.6% Belorussian + 37.4% Tuscan @ 2.34
14 60.7% Estonian_Polish + 39.3% North_Italian @ 2.36
15 58% Estonian + 42% Tuscan @ 2.39
16 85.1% Croatian + 14.9% West_German @ 2.42
17 87.7% Croatian + 12.3% French @ 2.49
18 86.4% Croatian + 13.6% South_Dutch @ 2.49
19 53.8% Lithuanian + 46.2% North_Italian @ 2.49
20 74.2% Croatian + 25.8% Austrian @ 2.49
I highlighted interesting mixed mode combinations. Croats are suposed to originate from southern Poland and she has around 75% of south Polish like ancestry, pretty nice.
Otherwise, she is well inside Croatian cluster and not significantly more northern shifted than average, as some would expect. Quite close to my results (and I am 1/16 from very same town)
Interesting. Post Dodecad K12 too please.
Otherwise, she is well inside Croatian cluster and not significantly more northern shifted than average, as some would expect. Quite close to my results (and I am 1/16 from very same town)
Post your results for comparison.
Her's MDLP K16 modern
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 27.29
2 Caucasian 25.58
3 Neolithic 24.77
4 Steppe 21.36
5 Siberian 0.29
6 NorthAfrican 0.27
7 NearEast 0.24
8 Oceanic 0.12
9 EastAfrican 0.08
10 Amerindian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croat (Croatia) 3.93
2 Hungarian (Hungary) 4.23
3 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 4.31
4 Pole (EastPoland) 4.7
5 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.77
6 Slovenian (Slovenia) 4.89
7 Hungarian (Budapest) 5.04
8 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.31
9 Dutch (Netherlands) 5.31
10 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.33
11 Pole (Wroclaw) 5.33
12 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.63
13 Czech (Czechia) 5.75
14 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 5.82
15 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 6.02
16 Pole (WestPoland) 6.08
17 Sorb (Lusatia) 6.23
18 German (Germany) 6.26
19 Austrian (Austria) 6.36
20 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 6.41
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 7.9% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.6
2 92.5% Pole (EastPoland) + 7.5% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.66
3 93.4% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 6.6% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.68
4 86.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 13.4% Greek (Greece) @ 2.73
5 73.2% Pole (EastPoland) + 26.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.74
6 72% Pole (EastPoland) + 28% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.74
7 91.7% Pole (EastPoland) + 8.3% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.75
8 92.1% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 7.9% Adygei (Adygea) @ 2.78
9 83.9% Pole (EastPoland) + 16.1% Greek (Macedonia) @ 2.79
10 92.8% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 7.2% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.82
11 92.1% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 7.9% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 2.83
12 73.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 26.4% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.84
13 92% Pole (EastPoland) + 8% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.86
14 82.2% Pole (EastPoland) + 17.8% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.88
15 92.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 7.9% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.88
16 91.8% Pole (EastPoland) + 8.2% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 2.89
17 91.7% Pole (EastPoland) + 8.3% Georgian (Laz) @ 2.89
18 91.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 8.5% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.89
19 91.8% Pole (EastPoland) + 8.2% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 2.89
20 92.2% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 7.8% Balkar (Kabardino-Balkaria) @ 2.9
Post your results for comparison.
My K13 :)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.36
2 North_Atlantic 29.78
3 West_Med 15.85
4 West_Asian 11.11
5 East_Med 9.41
6 Siberian 0.95
7 East_Asian 0.52
8 Red_Sea 0.02
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.17
2 Croatian 5.39
3 Moldavian 5.55
4 Serbian 7.85
5 Austrian 7.96
6 East_German 8.52
7 South_Polish 10.78
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.84
9 Romanian 11.45
10 Ukrainian 12.01
11 Bulgarian 13.94
12 Polish 14.52
13 West_German 15.15
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.99
15 Southwest_Russian 16
16 South_Dutch 16.45
17 Russian_Smolensk 17.17
18 North_German 17.52
19 Estonian_Polish 17.97
20 North_Swedish 18.36
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.2% Moldavian + 38.8% Austrian @ 2.99
2 83% Moldavian + 17% Southwest_English @ 3.08
3 82.9% Moldavian + 17.1% Irish @ 3.09
4 83.6% Moldavian + 16.4% West_Scottish @ 3.13
5 81.9% Moldavian + 18.1% Southeast_English @ 3.14
6 82.5% Moldavian + 17.5% Orcadian @ 3.15
7 81.6% Moldavian + 18.4% North_Dutch @ 3.16
8 79.2% Moldavian + 20.8% North_German @ 3.22
9 81.6% Moldavian + 18.4% Danish @ 3.23
10 78.2% Moldavian + 21.8% South_Dutch @ 3.24
11 82.4% Moldavian + 17.6% Norwegian @ 3.26
12 76.8% Moldavian + 23.2% West_German @ 3.28
13 63.8% Moldavian + 36.2% East_German @ 3.31
14 81.7% Moldavian + 18.3% Swedish @ 3.54
15 53.3% Hungarian + 46.7% Moldavian @ 3.69
16 79.6% Croatian + 20.4% West_German @ 3.86
17 58.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.2% North_Italian @ 3.88
18 83% Croatian + 17% French @ 3.9
19 82.2% Moldavian + 17.8% French @ 3.91
20 81.3% Croatian + 18.7% South_Dutch @ 3.94
Basically, biggest difference is that I have almost like double west asian than her's. Other components are close. My west asian is higher than Croatian average.
I have one Croat from Slavonia, perhaps part Serbian.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.86
2 North_Atlantic 26.09
3 West_Med 16.76
4 East_Med 12.16
5 West_Asian 8.18
6 Red_Sea 3.13
7 Oceanian 1.02
8 Siberian 0.77
9 Amerindian 0.04
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.01
2 Serbian 5.37
3 Croatian 5.44
4 Hungarian 7.27
5 Romanian 8.94
6 Austrian 10.79
7 Bulgarian 11.04
8 East_German 11.58
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.74
10 South_Polish 12.64
11 Ukrainian 13.16
12 Polish 16.01
13 Southwest_Russian 16.76
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.11
15 West_German 17.57
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.2
17 Estonian_Polish 18.72
18 South_Dutch 18.87
19 Belorussian 19.33
20 Greek_Thessaly 19.47
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.5% Tuscan @ 1.96
2 84.2% Croatian + 15.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.09
3 69.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.1
4 82.1% Croatian + 17.9% Tuscan @ 2.14
5 84.8% Croatian + 15.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.26
6 86.2% Croatian + 13.8% South_Italian @ 2.3
7 84.3% Croatian + 15.7% Central_Greek @ 2.31
8 83.8% Croatian + 16.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.32
9 79.7% Croatian + 20.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.32
10 87.9% Croatian + 12.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.32
11 88% Croatian + 12% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.33
12 87.9% Croatian + 12.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.34
13 50.4% Serbian + 49.6% Croatian @ 2.41
14 64% Croatian + 36% Romanian @ 2.48
15 56% Russian_Smolensk + 44% Tuscan @ 2.51
16 89% Croatian + 11% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.51
17 70.8% Serbian + 29.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.54
18 69.2% Croatian + 30.8% Bulgarian @ 2.58
19 89.2% Croatian + 10.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.58
20 63.9% Ukrainian + 36.1% Tuscan @ 2.59
MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 28.11
2 Neolithic 27.36
3 NorthEastEuropean 23.41
4 Steppe 17.89
5 NearEast 2.33
6 Australian 0.61
7 Amerindian 0.29
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian (Serbia) 2.68
2 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 3.43
3 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.5
4 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.7
5 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.89
6 Romanian (Apuseni) 4.07
7 Moldavian (Molodva) 4.31
8 Croat (Croatia) 4.37
9 Macedonian (Macedonia) 4.96
10 Romanian (Gorj) 5.5
11 Austrian (Austria) 5.9
12 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 5.91
13 Slovenian (Slovenia) 6.27
14 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.27
15 Italian (Friul) 6.75
16 German (SouthGermany) 6.82
17 French (EastFrance) 7.11
18 Hungarian (Budapest) 7.24
19 French (NorthwestFrance) 7.3
20 Swiss (Switzerland) 7.3
^^^^could be mixed, but not necessary so, there are atypical individuals in every ethnicity who aren't mixed.
He still scores that in mixed mode :) : 66.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.5% Tuscan @ 1.96
White Croatia seemed to be located primarly in south-eastern Poland and western Ukraine. And Tuscan like admix represent autochtonous population of Panonnia and Dalmatia, which was likely close to Albanians, who overlap Tuscans.
^^^^could be mixed, but not necessary so, there are atypical individuals in every ethnicity who aren't mixed.
That's a woman. Her husband is a German from Rhineland and their child is close to Hungarians on Gedmatch, which is not surprising.
White Croatia seems to be located primarly in south-eastern Poland and western Ukraine. And Tuscan like admix represent autochtonous population of Panonnia and Dalmatia, which was likely close to Albanians, who overlap Tuscans.
So Croats are majority Slavic by ancestry. I guess Slovenes are kind of similar.
That's a woman. Her husband is a German from Rhineland and their child is close to Hungarians on Gedmatch, which is not surprising.
Usually Croats overlap Hungarians the most when they are not outside of the norm. But she is bit more southern than usual. Slavonia was most multi-cultural region of Croatia.
Mingle
02-06-2018, 04:40 PM
Usually Croats overlap Hungarians the most when they are not outside of the norm. But she is bit more southern than usual. Slavonia was most multi-cultural region of Croatia.
Are there any regions of Croatia that are closer to Serbia than to Hungary?
Do you know who Bosnian Croats are closest to?
Are there any regions of Croatia that are closer to Serbia than to Hungary?
Do you know who Bosnian Croats are closest to?
Yes, BiH Croats are closer to BiH Serbs and Bosniaks than to Hungary, that's for sure. I have one Croat sample from Central Bosnia, he overlaps BiH Serbs.
But Bosnian Serbs are more northern shifted than Serbs from Serbia, so I'd say BiH Croats are intermediate between Hungary and Serbia on average.
Her's position on K15 plot follows geography, more north-western than Croatian average and closest to Austria (in fact she clusters slightly north-eastern from Austrian dot, similar like Slovenes would if they were present in the run)
http://oi63.tinypic.com/15ocs3o.jpg
Mingle
02-06-2018, 04:51 PM
Yes, BiH Croats are closer to BiH Serbs and Bosniaks than to Hungary, that's for sure. I have one Croat sample from Central Bosnia, he overlaps BiH Serbs.
But Bosnian Serbs are more northern shifted than Serbs from Serbia, so I'd say BiH Croats are intermediate between Hungary and Serbia on average.
What about Croats from Croatia? Are there any regions of Croatia where the people there are closer to Serbia than to Hungary? Or are all Croatia Croats closer to Hungary than to Serbia?
Cool Story Bro
02-06-2018, 04:56 PM
Are there any regions of Croatia that are closer to Serbia than to Hungary?
Do you know who Bosnian Croats are closest to?
Can't you just look at the map and figure it out by yourself?
East Slavonia is next to Serbian border.
Most of Bosnian Croats live now in Western Herzegovina which is next to Croatian border and Dalmatia. So Dalmatia...
Some do live in Central Bosnia too...
https://wikitravel.org/upload/shared//thumb/f/fa/Bosnia.regions.jpeg/350px-Bosnia.regions.jpeg
What about Croats from Croatia? Are there any regions of Croatia where the people there are closer to Serbia than to Hungary? Or are all Croatia Croats closer to Hungary than to Serbia?
So far I can't answer this question with certanity. Croats are def. more homogenous than everyone expected, including me. I didn't expect my results before I took the test.
We are raised with idea southern and northern Croats are both Croats, but quite different people, but genetics doesn't show that.
On average all regions of Croatia are closer to Hungary, than to Serbia. But many people in Serbia have origins from dinaric alps (Bosnia/Croatia/Herzegovina) and they cluster more closely towards Croats.
In Hungary there are people with significant German or western Slavic ancestry who cluster more towards their northern neighbours. Yet average of all Croats pulls towards Hungary.
When all Croats are taken in account Bosnia-Herzegovina should be single most smiliar country to Croatia.
I have one Herzegovina Croat sample from western Herzegovina and he clusters with Hungarians, unlike Central Bosnian Croat who is more southern and cluster with Bosnian Serbs.
But that's just two samples, not enough to make any conclusion.
Tschaikisten
02-06-2018, 05:27 PM
I'm few months in autosomal dna, and it seems to be like geography in the Balkans. xD
I'm few months in autosomal dna, and it seems to be like geography in the Balkans. xD
I have question for you and your friend The Devil's Advocate :) Do you know where got your huge north-west European admixture from ? I've seen you get it in 30% range with some companies.
That's much more than me, and I have bit of German ancestry. I score very little northwest European and much higher northeast European than I expected.
This NW admix in both of you suprised me.
Tschaikisten
02-06-2018, 05:41 PM
I have question for you and your friend The Devil's Advocate :) Do you know where got your huge north-west European admixture from ? I've seen you get it in 30% range with some companies.
That's much more than me, and I have some Geman admixture. I socre very little northwest European and much higher northeast European than I expected.
This NW admix in both of your suprised me.
I don't know for Devil's Advocate, but in my case I think it's logical. My direct paternal side is from the Stari Vlah, the ''Tromedja'' between BiH, MNE and southwestern Serbia, and it's probably the reason of my med admixture (my matches from that area are generally ''southern'' oriented, you know, Greece, Italy, Romania).
My father's maternal side is from Sajkaska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0ajka%C5%A1ka), ethnic Serbian region in the southern Backa. All my known ancestors from that side were Serbs, and personaly for that part of the family I know more than for the others (my grandma grandfather died as a Serbian soldier in WW1). I have documented that my ancestors from that side were Sajkasi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0ajka%C5%A1i). From village where most of my part of that side comming from, there was large group of Danube Swabians, but of course village was always been divided between Serbian and German part. Serbs were soldiers and farmers and lived in a colectives (zadruga).
So, there is nothing known that I have something German from that side, because as I say they was always been divided, and Serbs mixed with Serbs, in the 1860s (I know mu ancestors from that period) and before there was like 96% Serbs.
My maternal side is from the Bosanska Krajina. I guess they are also one of the reasons for my higher ''northern'' admixture. Recently I have tested one cousin from my grandmother side, He belongs to R1a-Z280>YP237>YP951.
So in my case, it seems pretty logical. 2/3 I'm northern Serb, and it's probably reason for my higher northern admixture, and 1/3 from the Old Herzegovina, reason for more med admixture. :)
My Dodecad K12b Northern Europe percent is 43.4450%. :)
I don't know for Devil's Advocate, but in my case I think it's logical. My direct paternal side is from the Stari Vlah, the ''Tromedja'' between BiH, MNE and southwestern Serbia, and it's probably the reason of my med admixture (my matches from that area are generally ''southern'' oriented, you know, Greece, Italy, Romania).
My father's maternal side is from Sajkaska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0ajka%C5%A1ka), ethnic Serbian region in the southern Backa. All my known ancestors from that side were Serbs, and personaly for that part of the family I know more than for the others (my grandma grandfather died as a Serbian soldier in WW1). I have documented that my ancestors from that side were Sajkasi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0ajka%C5%A1i). From village where most of my part of that side comming from, there was large group of Danube Swabians, but of course village was always been divided between Serbian and German part. Serbs were soldiers and farmers and lived in a colectives (zadruga).
So, there is nothing known that I have something German from that side, because as I say they was always been divided, and Serbs mixed with Serbs, in the 1860s (I know mu ancestors from that period) and before there was like 96% Serbs.
My maternal side is from the Bosanska Krajina. I guess they are also one of the reasons for my higher ''northern'' admixture. Recently I have tested one cousin from my grandmother side, He belongs to R1a-Z280>YP237>YP951.
So in my case, it seems pretty logical. 2/3 I'm northern Serb, and it's probably reason for my higher northern admixture, and 1/3 from the Old Herzegovina, reason for more med admixture. :)
My Dodecad K12b Northern Europe percent is 43.4450%. :)
You have interesting background :)
Maybe some Swabian girl could marry for Serbian in your village and their descendants would identify 100% Serbian ? If it was far back enough possible you have no idea about that. But that's just one possibility.
Or maybe your northwest European is older and some kind of preserved Goth heritage that survived in dinaric alps ? Who knows...
Do you get west-central European on myheritage (if you haven't uploaded there, I sugest you to do so) or more Scandinavian ? If it's general west-central European, than I'm pretty sure it is German ancestry specifically.
Anyway, welcome to the central european cluster :thumb001:
Tschaikisten
02-06-2018, 05:55 PM
You have interesting background :)
Maybe some Swabian girl could marry for Serbian in your village and their descendants would identify 100% Serbian ? If it was far back enough possible you have no idea about that. But that's just one possibility.
Could be. But as I say, that was military area, and Serbs were vast majority in that period, they were mostly soldiers and farmers, lived in villages. So, I don't think that some German girl married to one of my ancestors from that side, but could be, I have a lot of German and Austrian matches (like many Serbs).
Or maybe your northwest European is older and some kind of preserved Goth heritage that survived in dinaric alps ? Who knows...
Or just a Slavic mixture? I mean my Baltic and east-central Euro percents in many calculators are higher than Serb average.
Do you get west-central European on myheritage (if you haven't uploaded there, I sugest you to do so) or more Scandinavian ? If it's general west-central European, than I'm pretty sure it is German ancestry specifically.
I have North and West Europe (all is Scandinavian) 11.6%. Generally I don't take too serious commercial calcs, I see a lot of Balkanese scoring it.
Anyway, welcome to the central european cluster :thumb001:
Thanks. xD
I already know that I have central-western Euro Y-DNA, nice to have solid percents in autosomal dna of it. :)
^^^^
Yes everything is possible, maybe you are just a northern shifted Serb. Some Goths could have assimilated by Slavs already in Poland.
Tschaikisten
02-06-2018, 06:01 PM
^^^^
Yes everything is possible, maybe you are just a northern shifted Serb. Some Goths could have assimilated by Slavs already in Poland.
As I say, autosomal dna is geography. :D
She is from Samobor , native of the region :)
http://oi66.tinypic.com/24vjpyb.jpg
This is K13?
Here is mine. I get this Polish too and jew
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.09
2 North_Atlantic 27.05
3 East_Med 18.62
4 West_Med 11.57
5 West_Asian 6.98
6 Red_Sea 2.92
7 East_Asian 0.6
8 Oceanian 0.08
9 Siberian 0.08
65.7% South_Polish + 34.3% Ashkenazi @ 3.8
71% South_Polish + 29% Italian_Jewish @ 4.03
60.5% Polish + 39.5% Ashkenazi @ 4.07
72.9% South_Polish + 27.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.09
76.2% South_Polish + 23.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.23
63.6% Estonian_Polish + 36.4% Italian_Jewish @ 4.28
MercifulServant
02-06-2018, 11:28 PM
I get 30 Baltic on K13
I have another northwest Croat sample from Varaždinske toplice. He/she is more southern (but not much) than this lady from Sambobor. But I am not sure about that person ancestry, is it fully native to the region so I won't post it.
So far most northern shifted Croats results I have are from the mountains. One from northern Lika (Otočac) , and another from Gorski kotar (Delnice). Man from Otočac descends from noble family and he shifts towards Germany, I guess some Croat nobles intermarried with Austrian nobility. The one from Delnice also has German-like admixture based on his gedmatch, but in that town/region it is nothing unusual, because that region had numerous German colonists who came for forest work from 17th century on.
Bosniensis
02-07-2018, 11:08 AM
Her's MDLP K16 modern
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 27.29
2 Caucasian 25.58
3 Neolithic 24.77
4 Steppe 21.36
5 Siberian 0.29
6 NorthAfrican 0.27
7 NearEast 0.24
8 Oceanic 0.12
9 EastAfrican 0.08
10 Amerindian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croat (Croatia) 3.93
2 Hungarian (Hungary) 4.23
3 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 4.31
4 Pole (EastPoland) 4.7
5 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.77
6 Slovenian (Slovenia) 4.89
7 Hungarian (Budapest) 5.04
8 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.31
9 Dutch (Netherlands) 5.31
10 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.33
11 Pole (Wroclaw) 5.33
12 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.63
13 Czech (Czechia) 5.75
14 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 5.82
15 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 6.02
16 Pole (WestPoland) 6.08
17 Sorb (Lusatia) 6.23
18 German (Germany) 6.26
19 Austrian (Austria) 6.36
20 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 6.41
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 7.9% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.6
2 92.5% Pole (EastPoland) + 7.5% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.66
3 93.4% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 6.6% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.68
4 86.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 13.4% Greek (Greece) @ 2.73
5 73.2% Pole (EastPoland) + 26.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.74
6 72% Pole (EastPoland) + 28% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.74
7 91.7% Pole (EastPoland) + 8.3% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.75
8 92.1% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 7.9% Adygei (Adygea) @ 2.78
9 83.9% Pole (EastPoland) + 16.1% Greek (Macedonia) @ 2.79
10 92.8% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 7.2% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.82
11 92.1% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 7.9% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 2.83
12 73.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 26.4% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.84
13 92% Pole (EastPoland) + 8% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.86
14 82.2% Pole (EastPoland) + 17.8% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.88
15 92.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 7.9% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.88
16 91.8% Pole (EastPoland) + 8.2% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 2.89
17 91.7% Pole (EastPoland) + 8.3% Georgian (Laz) @ 2.89
18 91.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 8.5% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.89
19 91.8% Pole (EastPoland) + 8.2% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 2.89
20 92.2% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 7.8% Balkar (Kabardino-Balkaria) @ 2.9
It's incredible how different he is to me....
I would never have believed that Croatians and Bosnians were THAT different (before I saw dna results)
here is my for comparison :
1 Caucasian 32.59
2 NorthEastEuropean 24.75
3 Neolithic 23.44
4 Steppe 16.97
5 NorthAfrican 1.16
6 Oceanic 0.63
7 Amerindian 0.24
8 NearEast 0.13
9 SouthEastAsian 0.1
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 4.97
2 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.41
3 Serbian (Serbia) 5.56
4 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.76
5 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.9
6 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.12
7 Moldavian (Molodva) 6.16
8 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 6.2
9 Romanian (Apuseni) 6.3
10 Macedonian (Macedonia) 6.39
11 Croat (Croatia) 6.54
12 Romanian (Gorj) 7.31
13 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 7.47
14 Hungarian (Budapest) 7.71
15 Slovenian (Slovenia) 8.48
16 Austrian (Austria) 8.78
17 Hungarian (Hungary) 8.9
18 Romanian (Romania) 9.14
19 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 9.16
20 Italian (Friul) 9.86
It's incredible how different he is to me....
I would never have believed that Croatians and Bosnians were THAT different (before I saw dna results)
Again, I respect you identity but you are not real Bosnian in ancestral sense. Your ancestry isn't from Bosnia but from Montenegro, Serbia and Bulgaria according to your profile.
Such people exist in Bosnia (many people especially muslims settled there from all over in history), but real natives of the country should cluster closely with Croats.
I am waiting for Vlatko Vuković results, he is real native of his country and I'm convinced they will be different to yours. To add, this result is a she and she is more northern than Croat average.
FST distances between eastern European groups show that Bosnians are most related with Croats, and Croats with them.
https://i.imgur.com/mRpfIqS.png
Bobby Martnen
02-09-2018, 05:24 AM
Her's position on K15 plot follows geography, more north-western than Croatian average and closest to Austria (in fact she clusters slightly north-eastern from Austrian dot, similar like Slovenes would if they were present in the run)
http://oi63.tinypic.com/15ocs3o.jpg
Where do you plot on this? I plot right on the 'n' in "W. German"
Where do you plot on this? I plot right on the 'n' in "W. German"
http://oi64.tinypic.com/24vpnp0.jpg
Bosniensis
02-09-2018, 10:47 AM
http://oi64.tinypic.com/24vpnp0.jpg
A lot of Croats are very much similar to Magyars and Austrians.
Interesting.
A lot of Croats are very much similar to Magyars and Austrians.
Interesting.
Relatively, more so to Hungarians than to Austrians (or to be exact, only to eastern Austrians)
I have some very southern shifted Croat results as well (one pulls even towards northern Italy in SW direction)
brennus dux gallorum
02-09-2018, 11:01 AM
I guess Croatian average sample was mainly consisted of nearby people, I mean from the particular and other close regions
Anyway, judging by results he is more slav than anything, geographically nextdoor to Tuscany and still genetically significantly more Polish like than Tuscan like.
not to mention that in most of pcas i have seen both Croats and most of Bosnians plot in northern quadrants, unlike neighbouring Serbs, indicative of their slavic (and probably even partially Germanic) BG
Bobby Martnen
02-09-2018, 05:30 PM
http://oi64.tinypic.com/24vpnp0.jpg
You're the perfect Austro-Hungarian!
Vid Flumina
02-09-2018, 06:46 PM
I have some very southern shifted Croat results as well (one pulls even towards northern Italy in SW direction)
Likely some Istrian Italian ancestry. Do you have his/her K15?
Likely some Istrian Italian ancestry. Do you have his/her K15?
I can't find it at the moment. Yes, probably Italian ancestry. Other southern shifted Croats shift towards southeast as a rule, towards Serbia and Romania, but he is going very clearly in Italian direction.
If I dig out his kit number, I'll post it.
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