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Bosniensis
02-08-2018, 10:43 PM
C2 Haplogroup (previously C3) M217 Typical of Mongolians, Kazakhs, Buryats, Daurs, Kalmyks, Hazaras, Manchus, Sibes, Oroqens, Koryaks, and Itelmens; with a moderate distribution among other Tungusic peoples, Koreans, Ainus, Han, Vietnamese, Nivkhs, Altaians, Tuvinians, Uzbeks, Nogais, and Crimean Tatars. It is found in moderate to low frequencies among the North Caucasian people. Abazinians, Adygei, Tabassarans[45][46][47]. Lower frequencies in Afghan Tajiks, Pasthun[48]


If Han people have Mongol character we are doomed.

Megadorian
02-09-2018, 08:41 AM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Haplogrupo_O_%28ADN-Y%29_edit.png

Haplogroup O3 is the marker carried by more than 50% of han chinese, with the rest being O2, O1 and small amounts of C, higher in northern regions due to geographical affinity with tungusic people like Mongols or Jurchens

Chinese civilization is probably the oldest in the world and is based on Confucian values whom value honor, duty, peace, meritocracy, education, modesty,etc the total opposite of the northern nomadic societies residing in the steppe who never managed to build a well organized, advanced urban society but through horseback invasions they incorporated aspects of their development to themselves

Situation is very similiar to old IJ europeans(e.g minoans, romans etc ) who had managed to build very advanced and prosperous societies before they were invaded by nomadic steppe people who approproatied many elements of their culture after plunging the continent in long dark ages

Chocolate_Hound
05-17-2021, 05:40 PM
Han are the pure Mongoloids. Turkics and even some Mongols have a significant Caucasoid element in their genetics, but is not always visible.

Shubotai
05-20-2021, 06:10 PM
Not quite. Of course, O is the native East Asian haplogroup but when bringing in the term Mongoloid we usually refer to populations rich in haplogroup C, even in north Han Chinese there is an amount. Particularly because it was initially invented to describe the phenotype carried by peoples inhabiting Mongolia.

Throughout Chinese history, there was extensive migration from north to south evident in the spread of Mandarin, altering the previous more archaic phenotype preserved in south Chinese. Indeed, there is also west Eurasian admixture in Kazakhstan and Mongolia.