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Voskos
02-09-2018, 02:11 PM
The said ancients are from Hungary but I think we can assume they were either Dacians or at least closely related to Dacians going by maps like the one below:

https://vieilleeurope.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/dacian.jpg?w=638&h=354

Here's their results:

Iron Age(980-830BC, YDNA N-M231)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aDKM_pdUQ5I/VFKqZS0A7fI/AAAAAAAABxQ/6T5mN3jrYP8/w201-h290-no/IR1_K15.png

Bronze Age(1270-1110BC, YDNA J2a1)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-RtbBuOm5UIQ/VFKqWiN85BI/AAAAAAAABwU/H53IOJLq8ks/w201-h290-no/BR1_K15.png

Copper Age(2900-2700BC)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-onP6clm5rG0/VFKqXlTNhoI/AAAAAAAABws/ZpcyUArZ0uE/w201-h290-no/CO1_K15.png

Voskos
02-09-2018, 02:26 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xPGV13M4lSM/VEaknJoP-jI/AAAAAAAAJ0I/XmX-S48tr2A/s1600/ncomms6257-f2.jpg

Sources:
http://dienekes.blogspot.gr/2014/10/ancient-dna-from-prehistoric.html
http://eurogenes.blogspot.gr/2014/10/ancient-genomes-from-great-hungarian.html

Coolguy1
02-09-2018, 02:55 PM
Looks like J2a was an important Balkan haplogroup, found in the Minoans, Mycenaeans, and Dacians. Also, the first sample really doesnt seem too dissimilar from modern Romanians.

Carpatz
02-09-2018, 02:56 PM
Interesting how the Copper Age sample has low amounts of North_Sea, Baltic and Eastern_Euro components, while the Bronze and Iron Age ones have a lot. Bronze age Indo-European invaders clearly changed the genetic landscape profoundly.

Vid Flumina
02-09-2018, 06:23 PM
Iron Age sample plots nowhere near modern Romanians, more like northern Hungarians..

Mingle
01-24-2019, 02:02 AM
Here are the three ancient samples from Hungary on a PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/0QrhAi5.png?1

Peterski
01-25-2019, 05:19 PM
Iron Age sample is IR1 of Mezocsat culture:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hungary_before_the_Hungarian_Conquest

It was not a Dacian culture, it was also Pre-Scythian:

"The people of the Mezőcsát culture to which IR1 belonged are thought to have been from ancient Iranian tribes."

He could be a Cimmerian, but it is not certain:

"Some prehistorians have argued that the eastern artefact types and the eastern burial rite of the Early Iron Age in the Danube–Tisza region are proof of the westward migration of a Cimmerian group. However, the Cimmerians were but one of the many groups populating the steppe and thus the identification of this eastern population with a specific steppean people is no more than speculation."

XYZ.2018
01-25-2019, 11:17 PM
If Scythian from Hungary is on Gedmatch now?