Sicilian cousins of Sikeliot GEDMatch results with regions specified.

[Sikeliot]

I will post these as Eurogenes K15, but if you want to see a specific calculator please request it.

Terrasini, Palermo:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.56
2 West_Asian 18.63
3 Atlantic 15.89
4 West_Med 15.53
5 North_Sea 9.29
6 Baltic 5.96
7 Red_Sea 5.67
8 Northeast_African 1.71
9 Amerindian 0.42
10 Southeast_Asian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 5.16
2 Central_Greek 5.32
3 Italian_Abruzzo 5.33
4 South_Italian 5.33
5 West_Sicilian 8.12
6 Ashkenazi 8.36
7 Sephardic_Jewish 9.94
8 Italian_Jewish 10.07
9 Greek 10.28
10 Greek_Thessaly 11.3
11 Tuscan 11.57
12 Algerian_Jewish 11.96
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.79
14 Cyprian 15.63
15 Libyan_Jewish 16.41
16 Turkish 16.43
17 Bulgarian 16.75
18 Lebanese_Muslim 17.73
19 North_Italian 17.84
20 Romanian 18.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.4% West_Sicilian + 17.6% Georgian @ 3.58
2 83.9% West_Sicilian + 16.1% Abhkasian @ 3.64
3 90% South_Italian + 10% North_Ossetian @ 3.66
4 89.8% South_Italian + 10.2% Chechen @ 3.67
5 67.5% Tuscan + 32.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.7
6 85.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 14.4% Armenian @ 3.7
7 85.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 14.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.71
8 52.5% Assyrian + 47.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.77
9 89.5% South_Italian + 10.5% Kabardin @ 3.78
10 90% South_Italian + 10% Ossetian @ 3.78
11 85.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 14.6% Assyrian @ 3.8
12 89.7% South_Italian + 10.3% Adygei @ 3.81
13 89.7% South_Italian + 10.3% Balkar @ 3.83
14 91.7% East_Sicilian + 8.3% Abhkasian @ 3.86
15 90.9% East_Sicilian + 9.1% Georgian @ 3.87
16 66.6% Tuscan + 33.4% Assyrian @ 3.9
17 53.9% Assyrian + 46.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.92
18 82.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 17.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.94
19 91.3% East_Sicilian + 8.7% North_Ossetian @ 3.94
20 88.5% South_Italian + 11.5% Kumyk @ 3.95



Barellona Pozzo Di Gotto, Messina:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.67
2 West_Med 21.2
3 Atlantic 13.93
4 West_Asian 13.46
5 North_Sea 10.62
6 Red_Sea 4.14
7 Baltic 3.02
8 Sub-Saharan 1.92
9 Northeast_African 1.35
10 South_Asian 0.52
11 Southeast_Asian 0.09
12 Oceanian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.86
2 East_Sicilian 6.41
3 West_Sicilian 7.05
4 Italian_Jewish 7.26
5 Central_Greek 7.27
6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.19
7 Algerian_Jewish 8.25
8 Sephardic_Jewish 9.29
9 Ashkenazi 9.82
10 Tuscan 11.21
11 Greek 12.09
12 Greek_Thessaly 12.11
13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.86
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.7
15 Cyprian 15.41
16 North_Italian 17.21
17 Lebanese_Muslim 19.53
18 Bulgarian 19.77
19 Syrian 20.35
20 Turkish 21.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.2% South_Italian + 8.8% Sardinian @ 3.94
2 92% South_Italian + 8% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.37
3 91.5% South_Italian + 8.5% Algerian @ 4.4
4 92.3% South_Italian + 7.7% Portuguese @ 4.45
5 92.7% South_Italian + 7.3% Moroccan @ 4.45
6 92.7% South_Italian + 7.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.47
7 92.5% South_Italian + 7.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.48
8 92.7% South_Italian + 7.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.49
9 94% South_Italian + 6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.53
10 92.6% South_Italian + 7.4% Tunisian @ 4.54
11 93.1% South_Italian + 6.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.55
12 98.3% South_Italian + 1.7% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 4.56
13 98.3% South_Italian + 1.7% Luhya @ 4.56
14 90.8% South_Italian + 9.2% North_Italian @ 4.56
15 98.3% South_Italian + 1.7% Bantu_N.E. @ 4.56
16 93.9% South_Italian + 6.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.56
17 98.4% South_Italian + 1.6% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.56
18 93.8% South_Italian + 6.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.57
19 94.3% South_Italian + 5.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.57
20 98.2% South_Italian + 1.8% San @ 4.57


Trappeto/Balestrate, Palermo:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.36
2 West_Med 20.93
3 Atlantic 13.94
4 West_Asian 13.35
5 North_Sea 7.61
6 Red_Sea 5.08
7 Baltic 5.02
8 Northeast_African 1.03
9 Southeast_Asian 0.58
10 Oceanian 0.54
11 South_Asian 0.32
12 Amerindian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.52
2 Italian_Jewish 5.69
3 East_Sicilian 6.12
4 Algerian_Jewish 6.61
5 Central_Greek 6.86
6 Sephardic_Jewish 7.32
7 West_Sicilian 7.41
8 Italian_Abruzzo 8.84
9 Ashkenazi 9.45
10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.9
11 Greek 11.57
12 Tuscan 12.56
13 Greek_Thessaly 12.6
14 Libyan_Jewish 12.83
15 Cyprian 13.25
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.96
17 North_Italian 18.79
18 Syrian 18.95
19 Samaritan 19.8
20 Bulgarian 19.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93% South_Italian + 7% Sardinian @ 2.69
2 74.7% South_Italian + 25.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.89
3 73.6% South_Italian + 26.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.07
4 95.5% South_Italian + 4.5% Moroccan @ 3.3
5 91.2% South_Italian + 8.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.31
6 95.8% South_Italian + 4.2% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.34
7 95.4% South_Italian + 4.6% Tunisian @ 3.35
8 90.8% South_Italian + 9.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.36
9 95.7% South_Italian + 4.3% Algerian @ 3.36
10 89.3% South_Italian + 10.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.43
11 97.4% South_Italian + 2.6% Samaritan @ 3.48
12 98.6% South_Italian + 1.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.48
13 98.1% South_Italian + 1.9% Egyptian @ 3.48
14 97.6% South_Italian + 2.4% Cyprian @ 3.5
15 99.7% South_Italian + 0.3% NAN_Melanesian @ 3.51
16 99.8% South_Italian + 0.2% Papuan @ 3.51
17 99.8% South_Italian + 0.2% Dai @ 3.51
18 97.3% South_Italian + 2.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.51
19 99.8% South_Italian + 0.2% Vietnamese @ 3.51
20 99.2% South_Italian + 0.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.51


Cefalu, Palermo:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.84
2 West_Med 17.03
3 Atlantic 14.48
4 West_Asian 13.82
5 North_Sea 8.8
6 Red_Sea 4.56
7 Baltic 4.31
8 Eastern_Euro 2.93
9 Northeast_African 1.29
10 Sub-Saharan 0.77
11 Oceanian 0.59
12 Siberian 0.47
13 Southeast_Asian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.35
2 East_Sicilian 4.68
3 Central_Greek 5.11
4 Italian_Jewish 5.66
5 West_Sicilian 5.69
6 Italian_Abruzzo 6.44
7 Sephardic_Jewish 6.73
8 Ashkenazi 7.06
9 Algerian_Jewish 7.14
10 Greek 9.97
11 Tunisian_Jewish 10.71
12 Greek_Thessaly 11.35
13 Tuscan 11.82
14 Libyan_Jewish 12.88
15 Cyprian 13.27
16 Lebanese_Muslim 16.86
17 Bulgarian 18.02
18 Syrian 18.03
19 North_Italian 18.26
20 Turkish 18.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67% Cyprian + 33% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.19
2 71.4% West_Sicilian + 28.6% Cyprian @ 2.19
3 65.7% Cyprian + 34.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.46
4 53% Italian_Abruzzo + 47% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.51
5 82.3% West_Sicilian + 17.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.55
6 81.6% West_Sicilian + 18.4% Assyrian @ 2.59
7 81.2% West_Sicilian + 18.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.6
8 65.9% Cyprian + 34.1% Portuguese @ 2.6
9 67.1% Cyprian + 32.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.65
10 80.8% West_Sicilian + 19.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.66
11 58.2% Cyprian + 41.8% North_Italian @ 2.7
12 60.4% Central_Greek + 39.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.73
13 53.1% Tuscan + 46.9% Cyprian @ 2.78
14 77% West_Sicilian + 23% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.78
15 67% Cyprian + 33% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.81
16 66.1% Italian_Jewish + 33.9% Greek @ 2.82
17 82.7% West_Sicilian + 17.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.83
18 73.5% South_Italian + 26.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.83
19 53.6% Central_Greek + 46.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.85
20 54.1% Italian_Jewish + 45.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.86

[Tauromachos]

1 East_Med 26.56
2 West_Asian 18.63
3 Atlantic 15.89
4 West_Med 15.53
5 North_Sea 9.29
6 Baltic 5.96
7 Red_Sea 5.67
8 Northeast_African 1.71
9 Amerindian 0.42
10 Southeast_Asian 0.34

He gets some North Sea and Baltic in the top 10 :)

[Sikeliot]

1 East_Med 26.56
2 West_Asian 18.63
3 Atlantic 15.89
4 West_Med 15.53
5 North_Sea 9.29
6 Baltic 5.96
7 Red_Sea 5.67
8 Northeast_African 1.71
9 Amerindian 0.42
10 Southeast_Asian 0.34

He gets some North Sea and Baltic in the top 10 :)



Every European does. :lol:

That person can be modeled as slightly more than half Assyrian and the rest Spanish.

[Bobby Martnen]

Inb4 some ItalicRoots troll posts "WE WUZ NORMANZ N SHEEEIT"

[Tauromachos]

Every European does. :lol:

That person can be modeled as slightly more than half Assyrian and the rest Spanish.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Sikeliot]

Inb4 some ItalicRoots troll posts "WE WUZ NORMANZ N SHEEEIT"

There is some Norman ancestry. Removing it from these results, however, would turn them into something close to Algerian Jews.

[Bobby Martnen]

There is some Norman ancestry. Removing it from these results, however, would turn them into something close to Algerian Jews.

I completely agree that Sicilians have significant Norman autosomal (probably about 8%), but the way ItalicRoots talks about it, you'd think Sicilians were more Nordic than Germans or Danes.

[Tauromachos]

There is some Norman ancestry. Removing it from these results, however, would turn them into something close to Algerian Jews.

COOL :cool:

[Alessio]

Neapolitan cousins:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.38
2 West_Med 18.04
3 North_Sea 14.99
4 West_Asian 14.66
5 Atlantic 8.02
6 Red_Sea 5.42
7 Baltic 4.41
8 Eastern_Euro 1.59
9 Sub-Saharan 0.79
10 Amerindian 0.69
11 Northeast_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 7.84
2 Central_Greek 7.87
3 East_Sicilian 7.96
4 Ashkenazi 8.7
5 Italian_Jewish 8.84
6 Italian_Abruzzo 10.24
7 Algerian_Jewish 11.09
8 Greek_Thessaly 11.24
9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.25
10 West_Sicilian 11.39
11 Libyan_Jewish 12.56
12 Greek 13.62
13 Tunisian_Jewish 14.11
14 Cyprian 14.43
15 Tuscan 14.52
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.55
17 Syrian 18.24
18 Turkish 19.72
19 Bulgarian 19.87
20 Samaritan 19.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.5% Cyprian + 29.5% West_German @ 5.85
2 76.1% Cyprian + 23.9% West_Norwegian @ 6.19
3 69.4% Central_Greek + 30.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 6.24
4 53.8% Greek_Thessaly + 46.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 6.29
5 75.7% Cyprian + 24.3% Norwegian @ 6.44
6 68.5% Greek_Thessaly + 31.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 6.46
7 69.6% Greek_Thessaly + 30.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.61
8 60.8% Italian_Jewish + 39.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.62
9 75.8% Cyprian + 24.2% Swedish @ 6.63
10 76% Cyprian + 24% Orcadian @ 6.65
11 74.5% Cyprian + 25.5% Southwest_English @ 6.7
12 69.7% Cyprian + 30.3% French @ 6.7
13 67.6% Greek_Thessaly + 32.4% Samaritan @ 6.73
14 58.7% Greek_Thessaly + 41.3% Cyprian @ 6.8
15 75.4% Cyprian + 24.6% North_Dutch @ 6.83
16 57.1% Lebanese_Christian + 42.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.87
17 84.9% Central_Greek + 15.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.95
18 59.7% Central_Greek + 40.3% Italian_Jewish @ 6.96
19 59.6% Lebanese_Christian + 40.4% French @ 6.98
20 75.1% Cyprian + 24.9% Southeast_English @ 7.02


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.54
2 West_Med 18.13
3 West_Asian 14.33
4 Atlantic 12.27
5 North_Sea 10.95
6 Red_Sea 5.71
7 Eastern_Euro 4.55
8 Baltic 3.62
9 Northeast_African 1.37
10 Southeast_Asian 1.3
11 Oceanian 0.13
12 South_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 3.93
2 Central_Greek 4.26
3 South_Italian 5.28
4 Ashkenazi 5.33
5 Italian_Abruzzo 5.79
6 West_Sicilian 6.55
7 Italian_Jewish 7.45
8 Sephardic_Jewish 9.05
9 Greek_Thessaly 9.32
10 Greek 9.55
11 Algerian_Jewish 9.56
12 Tuscan 10.65
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.1
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.74
15 Cyprian 15.11
16 Bulgarian 16.69
17 North_Italian 16.94
18 Lebanese_Muslim 18.29
19 Romanian 18.49
20 Turkish 18.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.1% Cyprian + 37.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.31
2 72.4% Central_Greek + 27.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.44
3 84.6% Central_Greek + 15.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.51
4 65.1% Cyprian + 34.9% French @ 3.51
5 74.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 25.5% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.59
6 61.6% Cyprian + 38.4% Portuguese @ 3.65
7 92.4% Central_Greek + 7.6% Moroccan @ 3.7
8 91.8% Central_Greek + 8.2% Algerian @ 3.7
9 80.7% Central_Greek + 19.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.71
10 98.8% East_Sicilian + 1.2% Dai @ 3.73
11 98.8% East_Sicilian + 1.2% She @ 3.73
12 98.8% East_Sicilian + 1.2% Vietnamese @ 3.73
13 98.7% East_Sicilian + 1.3% Miaozu @ 3.74
14 98.7% East_Sicilian + 1.3% Lahu @ 3.74
15 98.7% East_Sicilian + 1.3% Tujia @ 3.74
16 84.5% East_Sicilian + 15.5% Italian_Jewish @ 3.74
17 98.7% East_Sicilian + 1.3% Cambodian @ 3.76
18 98.7% East_Sicilian + 1.3% Yizu @ 3.76
19 98.7% East_Sicilian + 1.3% Naxi @ 3.76
20 98.7% East_Sicilian + 1.3% Malay

Doesn't mean anything...These are just calculated predictions and nothing more.

[Sikeliot]

I completely agree that Sicilians have significant Norman autosomal (probably about 8%), but the way ItalicRoots talks about it, you'd think Sicilians were more Nordic than Germans or Danes.

The thing is, recognizing that there is Norman ancestry when Sicilians come out how they do genetically, implies that if the Norman ancestry was not present, Sicilians would plot outside of Europe altogether and would be shifted even more toward Levantines and Armenians/Assyrians than now.

[Alessio]

I completely agree that Sicilians have significant Norman autosomal (probably about 8%), but the way ItalicRoots talks about it, you'd think Sicilians were more Nordic than Germans or Danes.

These are nationalists with a fetish for anything Nordic, just because Germanic/Nordic countries are economically performing better and have better infastructures. They're afraid that dividing Italians on a plot could divide Italy.. I'm actually half Northwestern European and don't feel like this at all. These people are extremely pathetic and are denying their own 'Italic roots'.

There are many cultural similarities between Southern Italians and MENA people (especially compared to Northern Europeans) and to deny this is just plain ignorant.

[Mingle]

The thing is, recognizing that there is Norman ancestry when Sicilians come out how they do genetically, implies that if the Norman ancestry was not present, Sicilians would plot outside of Europe altogether and would be shifted even more toward Levantines and Armenians/Assyrians than now.

How much Sicilians have partial Norman ancestry? Almost all of them, most of them, half, a significant minority, or an insignificant minority?

[Sikeliot]

How much Sicilians have partial Norman ancestry? Almost all of them, most of them, half, a significant minority, or an insignificant minority?

It is scattered through the population, though I suspect it is lowest in the northeast.

[Bobby Martnen]

The thing is, recognizing that there is Norman ancestry when Sicilians come out how they do genetically, implies that if the Norman ancestry was not present, Sicilians would plot outside of Europe altogether and would be shifted even more toward Levantines and Armenians/Assyrians than now.

Wouldn't they be like Sephardic Jews without it? (As opposed to, say, Lebanese)

[Bobby Martnen]

There are many cultural similarities between Southern Italians and MENA people (especially compared to Northern Europeans) and to deny this is just plain ignorant.

Southern Italians are more culturally similar to even Scandinavian Christians than they are to any Muslims.

[Sikeliot]

Wouldn't they be like Sephardic Jews without it? (As opposed to, say, Lebanese)

Sephardim or Moroccan/Algerian Jews (who are Sephardim, actually).

Yes, they would not be exactly like Lebanese but closer to them than today without the Norman, though Lebanese Muslims have minor Norman themselves.

[Sikeliot]

Southern Italians are more culturally similar to even Scandinavian Christians than they are to any Muslims.

They are not culturally close to either. They are Southern European.

[Bobby Martnen]

They are not culturally close to either. They are Southern European.

I agree that they're close to neither, but they are closer (though still not close) to their fellow European Christians than they are to Muslims.

[Mingle]

Southern Italians are more culturally similar to even Scandinavian Christians than they are to any Muslims.

What about to Middle Eastern Christians or to Scandinavian Christians?

[Bobby Martnen]

Like I'm part Sicilian myself and I feel much, much closer to Scandinavians than I do to Arab Muslims.

[Bobby Martnen]

What about to Middle Eastern Christians or to Scandinavian Christians?

I'd say Sicilians are equally close culturally to Middle Eastern and Scandinavian Christians

[Sikeliot]

What about to Middle Eastern Christians or to Scandinavian Christians?

Middle Eastern Christians.

There are also some cultural similarities between western Sicily, North Africa, and southern Spain.

[FilhoV]

Culturally speaking Sicilians are much closer to Scandinavians. Also Modern North Africans if you were to remove the east African and sub-Saharan African they are essentially Mediterranean Neolithics

[Bobby Martnen]

Middle Eastern Christians.

There are also some cultural similarities between western Sicily, North Africa, and southern Spain.

There are also some similarities between Sicily and other Western European countries that it doesn't have with any MENA, like Latin alphabet and Indo-European language

[Sikeliot]

Culturally speaking Sicilians are much closer to Scandinavians. Also Modern North Africans if you were to remove the east African and sub-Saharan African they are essentially Mediterranean Neolithics

I don't agree that Southern Europeans are closer to Scandinavians culturally than to MENAs.

Anyway can we all stay on topic and stop talking about culture in a thread about genetics?

[FilhoV]

On what calculator is that specify North African components on GED match what is the highest a Sicilian scores? I’ve seen Iberians get up to 12% on MDLP k16 who was mainlander not like it makes a difference unless you are Canarian

[Sikeliot]

On what calculator is that specify North African components on GED match what is the highest a Sicilian scores? I’ve seen Iberians get up to 12% on MDLP k16 who was mainlander not like it makes a difference unless you are Canarian

Around 10%. It was someone from Trapani, MDLP k23.

[FilhoV]

Around 10%. It was someone from Trapani, MDLP k23.

Interesting that’s what I score just on North African is that including SSA and East Africa ??? Those 2 components come with the North African lineage

[Sikeliot]

The first result I posted seems close to Cretans. The others have more North African affinity.

[MercifulServant]

Post there dodecad k12b

[Tauromachos]

The first result I posted seems close to Cretans. The others have more North African affinity.

Nice to know