Apulian GEDmatch from Brindisi: exactly like mainland Greeks

[Sikeliot]

On MDLP K23, they are closest to all of the mainland Greeks before any of the Sicilians.

MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.05
2 European_Early_Farmers 20.43
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 17.38
4 Near_East 8.45
5 South_Central_Asian 5.60
6 North_African 4.07
7 Melano_Polynesian 2.43
8 Ancestral_Altaic 1.02


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Central_Greek_ @ 4.344778
2 Greek_ @ 4.397180
3 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 5.022043
4 Greek_Athens_ @ 5.388346
5 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 5.604000
6 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 5.835278
7 Ashkenazi_ @ 5.910743
8 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 6.172535
9 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 6.638066
10 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.870892
11 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 7.104906
12 Greek_Northwest_ @ 7.323052
13 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 7.475049
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 7.494841
15 Italian_South_ @ 7.512693
16 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.393117
17 Cretan_ @ 8.755084
18 Sicilian_West_ @ 9.034920
19 Sicilian_East_ @ 9.041382
20 Kosovar_ @ 9.174774

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian_ +50% Greek_Islands_ @ 2.938741



Eurogenes k15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.88
2 West_Med 17.78
3 West_Asian 14.99
4 North_Sea 11.89
5 Atlantic 11.5
6 Baltic 9.45
7 Eastern_Euro 3.13
8 Red_Sea 2.51
9 Oceanian 1.39
10 Amerindian 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 4.16
2 East_Sicilian 5.98
3 Greek_Thessaly 6.07
4 South_Italian 6.73
5 Greek 6.88
6 Italian_Abruzzo 7
7 Ashkenazi 7.56
8 West_Sicilian 8.97
9 Tuscan 10.96
10 Italian_Jewish 11.45
11 Sephardic_Jewish 12.95
12 Algerian_Jewish 13.13
13 Bulgarian 13.49
14 Romanian 15.67
15 Tunisian_Jewish 16.62
16 North_Italian 16.73
17 Cyprian 17.13
18 Libyan_Jewish 17.24
19 Serbian 19.2
20 Turkish 19.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.9% Central_Greek + 33.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.32
2 53.6% Greek_Thessaly + 46.4% South_Italian @ 3.36
3 77.3% Greek_Thessaly + 22.7% Cyprian @ 3.56
4 94.8% Central_Greek + 5.2% Ukrainian @ 3.76
5 94.7% Central_Greek + 5.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.76
6 93.2% Central_Greek + 6.8% Moldavian @ 3.78
7 95.9% Central_Greek + 4.1% Estonian @ 3.8
8 96% Central_Greek + 4% Lithuanian @ 3.8
9 93.9% Central_Greek + 6.1% Hungarian @ 3.8
10 95.3% Central_Greek + 4.7% South_Polish @ 3.83
11 88.9% Central_Greek + 11.1% Bulgarian @ 3.83
12 94.4% Central_Greek + 5.6% Croatian @ 3.86
13 90.9% Central_Greek + 9.1% Romanian @ 3.87
14 95.9% Central_Greek + 4.1% Southwest_Russian @ 3.87
15 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Finnish @ 3.88
16 95.9% Central_Greek + 4.1% Polish @ 3.88
17 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Belorussian @ 3.88
18 95.9% Central_Greek + 4.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.88
19 96.4% Central_Greek + 3.6% La_Brana-1 @ 3.9
20 96.3% Central_Greek + 3.7% Swedish @ 3.9


Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 34
2 Atlantic_Med 26.6
3 North_European 17.8
4 Southwest_Asian 10.88
5 Gedrosia 7.58
6 Northwest_African 2.49
7 East_Asian 0.66

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 5.92
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.2
3 Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.52
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.16
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.53
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.57
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.6
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.05
9 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 13
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.17
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 15.37
12 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 17.3
13 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 17.82
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18.52
15 Romanians (Behar) 18.81
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 19.62
17 Cypriots (Behar) 20.26
18 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.26
19 Turks (Behar) 22.06
20 Lebanese (Behar) 23.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65% Cypriots (Behar) + 35% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.58
2 66.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.72
3 66.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.8% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.74
4 66.9% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.1% English (Dodecad) @ 1.76
5 68.5% Cypriots (Behar) + 31.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.79
6 68% Cypriots (Behar) + 32% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.82
7 66.5% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.5% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.84
8 68.4% Cypriots (Behar) + 31.6% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.89
9 67.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.94
10 68.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 31.8% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.94
11 67.6% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.4% British (Dodecad) @ 2.17
12 76% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.2
13 67.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.8% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.24
14 77.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.6% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.48
15 92.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 7.1% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.53
16 92% Greek (Dodecad) + 8% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.58
17 74.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.59
18 92.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 7.6% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.65
19 76.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 23.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.66
20 88.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 11.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.69



PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 37.74
2 West_Asia 24.47
3 NE_Europe 19.98
4 SW_Asia 13.79
5 Oceania 2.01
6 Americas 1
7 NE_Asia 0.68
8 South_Africa 0.18
9 SE_Asia 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 3.81
2 Italian_Abruzzo 4.27
3 Ashkenazy_Jew 4.59
4 Italian_Sicilian 5.78
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.84
6 Albanian 8.53
7 Sephardic_Jew 9.23
8 Kosovar 9.63
9 Italian_Tuscan 10.25
10 Bulgarian 14.36
11 Macedonian 14.76
12 Turkish 15.77
13 Italian_Bergamo 16.22
14 Romanian 16.61
15 Cypriot 16.84
16 Montenegrin 17.33
17 Turkish_Aydin 17.75
18 Turkish_Kayseri 18.29
19 Serbian 19.94
20 Balkar 20.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98% Greek_Central + 2% Papuan @ 2.87
2 85.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 14.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.9
3 83.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 16.8% Turkish @ 2.91
4 84.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 15.1% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.92
5 88.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 11.8% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.95
6 89.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 10.7% Dagestan_Azeri @ 2.97
7 87.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 12.9% Balkar @ 2.98
8 87.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 12.1% Kumyk @ 3
9 88.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 11.1% Ossetian @ 3
10 97.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 2.4% Papuan @ 3.04
11 67.5% Albanian + 32.5% Cypriot @ 3.05
12 91.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 8.4% Tadjik @ 3.07
13 67.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 32.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.08
14 90.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 9.2% Iranian @ 3.08
15 68.7% Greek_Central + 31.3% Italian_Sicilian @ 3.09
16 72.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 27.1% Kosovar @ 3.1
17 90.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 9.7% Kurdish @ 3.1
18 60.6% Greek_Central + 39.4% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 3.11
19 92.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 7.7% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.12
20 88.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 11.1% Adygei @ 3.12


Eurasia K9 ASI:
# Population Percent
1 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 29.35
2 WHG 25.21
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 19.6
4 SW_Asian 17.04
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.39
6 SE_Asian 0.84
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.33
8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 2.43
2 Albanian 4.39
3 Tuscan 5.8
4 Sicilian 6.33
5 Maltese 8.61
6 Bulgarian 9.12
7 Spanish 15.28
8 Croatian 18.35
9 Turkish 18.42
10 French 19.27
11 Cypriot 20.48
12 French_South 21.22
13 Hungarian 21.33
14 Kumyk 21.57
15 Adygei 22.03
16 Chechen 23.53
17 Sardinian 24.16
18 English 24.34
19 Scottish 25.14
20 Lebanese 25.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.2% Albanian + 13.8% Azeri_Dagestan @ 0.84
2 87.5% Albanian + 12.5% Iranian @ 1.05
3 83.8% Albanian + 16.2% Adygei @ 1.06
4 83.5% Albanian + 16.5% Kumyk @ 1.06
5 91.9% Albanian + 8.1% Makrani @ 1.07
6 84.7% Albanian + 15.3% Chechen @ 1.13
7 87.1% Albanian + 12.9% Kurd_N @ 1.14
8 86.1% Albanian + 13.9% Azeri @ 1.17
9 92% Albanian + 8% Balochi @ 1.18
10 92.4% Albanian + 7.6% Brahui @ 1.22
11 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Cypriot @ 1.23
12 86.2% Albanian + 13.8% Lezgin @ 1.23
13 82.3% Tuscan + 17.7% Lezgin @ 1.24
14 87.2% Albanian + 12.8% Abkhasian @ 1.25
15 94.4% Greek + 5.6% Tajik_Pomiri @ 1.29
16 80.6% Tuscan + 19.4% Chechen @ 1.35
17 89% Albanian + 11% Kurd_C @ 1.4
18 93.1% Greek + 6.9% Lezgin @ 1.42
19 79.3% Tuscan + 20.7% Kumyk @ 1.43
20 95.2% Greek + 4.8% Scythian_IA @ 1.47


Near East Neolithic K13:
# Population Percent
1 CHG_EEF 33.37
2 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 19.74
3 NATUFIAN 14.04
4 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 13.02
5 EHG 10.8
6 SHG_WHG 5.16
7 PAPUAN 1.4
8 POLAR 1.25
9 KARITIANA 1.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian 5.98
2 Greek 6.43
3 Albanian 7.95
4 Jew_Ashkenazi 8.12
5 Italian_South 9.46
6 Bulgarian 11.2
7 Turkish_Istanbul 12.5
8 Turkish 13.26
9 Jew_Moroccan 13.85
10 Romanian 14.37
11 Turkish_Balekesir 16.11
12 Cypriot 16.57
13 Turkish_Aydin 17.38
14 Turkish_Adana 17.67
15 Turkish_Kayseri 18.34
16 Jew_Tunisian 18.43
17 Jew_Libyan 18.82
18 Croatian 19.41
19 Balkar 20.5
20 French 20.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Sicilian + 5.7% Steppe_EMBA @ 2.76
2 94.6% Sicilian + 5.4% EHG @ 2.79
3 88.1% Sicilian + 11.9% Steppe_MLBA @ 2.92
4 94% Sicilian + 6% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 2.99
5 90.8% Italian_South + 9.2% Steppe_EMBA @ 3.06
6 91.2% Italian_South + 8.8% EHG @ 3.13
7 92.8% Sicilian + 7.2% MA1 @ 3.19
8 90.1% Italian_South + 9.9% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 3.2
9 88.1% Italian_South + 11.9% MA1 @ 3.58
10 89.7% Sicilian + 10.3% Steppe_IA @ 3.82
11 86.3% Sicilian + 13.7% Europe_LNBA @ 3.9
12 64% Cypriot + 36% Europe_LNBA @ 4.16
13 66.9% Bulgarian + 33.1% Lebanese @ 4.28
14 82.7% Italian_South + 17.3% Steppe_IA @ 4.29
15 94.9% Greek + 5.1% Steppe_EMBA @ 4.38
16 95.2% Greek + 4.8% EHG @ 4.41
17 60.8% Bulgarian + 39.2% Cypriot @ 4.43
18 93.4% Greek + 6.6% MA1 @ 4.54
19 93.2% Jew_Ashkenazi + 6.8% EHG @ 4.61
20 76.3% Albanian + 23.7% Lebanese @ 4.61

[Sikeliot]

I am surprised no one had anything to say about this.

[Kouros]

Ukrainian, Finnish, and other Balto-Slavic in their oracles?

Interesting, is it possible he even has recent Byzantine Greek admixture?

[Sikeliot]

Ukrainian, Finnish, and other Balto-Slavic in their oracles? :lightbul:

Hmmm...


Well it means one of two things, you pick:

1. The Greeks who came to SE Sicily and Apulia already carried these "East Euro" components well before the Slavs invaded Greece, and the lack of these in Calabria or the rest of Sicily is due to the Greek input having been mostly cultural rather than genetic everywhere except Apulia and SE Sicily,

OR

2. Apulians descend from two waves of Greek migration, one pre-Slavic and one post-Slavic, and this is their secondhand Slavic ancestry acquired through Greek ancestors who were already conquered by Slavs.

[Kouros]

Well it means one of two things, you pick:

1. The Greeks who came to SE Sicily and Apulia already carried these "East Euro" components well before the Slavs invaded Greece, and the lack of these in Calabria or the rest of Sicily is due to the Greek input having been mostly cultural rather than genetic everywhere except Apulia and SE Sicily,

OR

2. Apulians descend from two waves of Greek migration, one pre-Slavic and one post-Slavic, and this is their secondhand Slavic ancestry acquired through Greek ancestors who were already conquered by Slavs.

I was about to say maybe they have some recent Greek admixture. I'm open to either possibility. Interesting result nonetheless.

[Sikeliot]

I was about to say maybe they have some recent Greek admixture. I'm open to either possibility. Interesting result nonetheless.

I do know Apulians, uncharacteristically for southern Italy, have high IBD sharing with East European Slavs, as do modern day Greeks. So it is very likely to me that they have absorbed more than one wave of Greek migration, and have secondhand Slavic DNA.

But then again so do southeast Sicilians even if to a lesser extent (I have seen some who come up Sicilian + 1/16 to 1/8 Russian on calculators), and as far as I know, they did not receive recent Greek input.

[Peterski]

Molise Province result:

All ancestors to 5 generations back from Santa Maria del Molise + San Angelo in Grotte:

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.35
2 West_Med 17.84
3 North_Sea 17.1
4 West_Asian 13.81
5 Atlantic 11.21
6 Red_Sea 4.08
7 Baltic 3.37
8 Eastern_Euro 3.09
9 Amerindian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 7.67
2 East_Sicilian 8.01
3 Italian_Abruzzo 8.27
4 South_Italian 8.49
5 Ashkenazi 9.08
6 West_Sicilian 9.72
7 Greek_Thessaly 10.04
8 Italian_Jewish 10.14
9 Tuscan 11.7
10 Greek 12.44
11 Sephardic_Jewish 12.59
12 Algerian_Jewish 12.69
13 Libyan_Jewish 15.17
14 Tunisian_Jewish 16.12
15 North_Italian 17.29
16 Cyprian 17.46
17 Bulgarian 18.12
18 Romanian 19.28
19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.42
20 Turkish 21.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63% Cyprian + 37% West_German @ 5.49
2 70% Cyprian + 30% West_Norwegian @ 6.03
3 67.4% Cyprian + 32.6% Southwest_English @ 6.14
4 69.3% Cyprian + 30.7% Orcadian @ 6.15
5 61.3% Cyprian + 38.7% French @ 6.21
6 77.8% Italian_Jewish + 22.2% West_German @ 6.24
7 82.8% Italian_Jewish + 17.2% West_Norwegian @ 6.34
8 69.5% Cyprian + 30.5% Norwegian @ 6.42
9 82.6% Italian_Jewish + 17.4% Norwegian @ 6.47
10 52.4% Lebanese_Christian + 47.6% French @ 6.5
11 50.7% Spanish_Galicia + 49.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.51
12 68% Cyprian + 32% Southeast_English @ 6.54
13 82.7% Italian_Jewish + 17.3% Swedish @ 6.54
14 87.6% South_Italian + 12.4% West_Norwegian @ 6.56
15 84% South_Italian + 16% West_German @ 6.63
16 68.8% Cyprian + 31.2% North_Dutch @ 6.64
17 87.7% South_Italian + 12.3% Norwegian @ 6.72
18 83% Italian_Jewish + 17% Orcadian @ 6.76
19 82.5% Italian_Jewish + 17.5% North_Dutch @ 6.78
20 50.5% Greek_Thessaly + 49.5% Italian_Jewish @ 6.78

4-Ancestors Oracle:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Druze +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 7.349265

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Druze +25% Sardinian +25% West_Norwegian @ 5.630871

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.035298
2 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.118029
3 Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.492901
4 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.609580
5 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 5.625443
6 Lebanese_Druze + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.630871
7 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.637346
8 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 5.673005
9 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.699602
10 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Swedish @ 5.779488
11 Assyrian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.804090
12 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Swedish @ 5.852939
13 Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.890549
14 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 5.929566
15 Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 5.950868
16 Kurdish_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.951882
17 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 5.986423
18 Cyprian + Libyan_Jewish + South_Italian + West_German @ 6.024423
19 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Libyan_Jewish + West_German @ 6.034375
20 Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Swedish @ 6.082065

[Kouros]

I do know Apulians, uncharacteristically for southern Italy, have high IBD sharing with East European Slavs, as do modern day Greeks. So it is very likely to me that they have absorbed more than one wave of Greek migration, and have secondhand Slavic DNA.

But then again so do southeast Sicilians even if to a lesser extent (I have seen some who come up Sicilian + 1/16 to 1/8 Russian on calculators), and as far as I know, they did not receive recent Greek input.

I think that has more to do with Norse settlements but the Byzantine empire did have contacts with all of southern Italy for a very long time so it's possible.

[Sikeliot]

I think that has more to do with Norse settlements but the Byzantine empire did have contacts with all of southern Italy for a very long time so it's possible.

Norman input in southern Italy would not cause them to score Ukrainian, Russian, etc. It would increase the North Atlantic component.

It is not a coincidence to me that both SE Sicily and Apulia, the two areas with the most Greek input, score similarly.

[Sikeliot]

Molise Province result:

All ancestors to 5 generations back from Santa Maria del Molise + San Angelo in Grotte:

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.35
2 West_Med 17.84
3 North_Sea 17.1
4 West_Asian 13.81
5 Atlantic 11.21
6 Red_Sea 4.08
7 Baltic 3.37
8 Eastern_Euro 3.09
9 Amerindian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 7.67
2 East_Sicilian 8.01
3 Italian_Abruzzo 8.27
4 South_Italian 8.49
5 Ashkenazi 9.08
6 West_Sicilian 9.72
7 Greek_Thessaly 10.04
8 Italian_Jewish 10.14
9 Tuscan 11.7
10 Greek 12.44
11 Sephardic_Jewish 12.59
12 Algerian_Jewish 12.69
13 Libyan_Jewish 15.17
14 Tunisian_Jewish 16.12
15 North_Italian 17.29
16 Cyprian 17.46
17 Bulgarian 18.12
18 Romanian 19.28
19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.42
20 Turkish 21.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63% Cyprian + 37% West_German @ 5.49
2 70% Cyprian + 30% West_Norwegian @ 6.03
3 67.4% Cyprian + 32.6% Southwest_English @ 6.14
4 69.3% Cyprian + 30.7% Orcadian @ 6.15
5 61.3% Cyprian + 38.7% French @ 6.21
6 77.8% Italian_Jewish + 22.2% West_German @ 6.24
7 82.8% Italian_Jewish + 17.2% West_Norwegian @ 6.34
8 69.5% Cyprian + 30.5% Norwegian @ 6.42
9 82.6% Italian_Jewish + 17.4% Norwegian @ 6.47
10 52.4% Lebanese_Christian + 47.6% French @ 6.5
11 50.7% Spanish_Galicia + 49.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.51
12 68% Cyprian + 32% Southeast_English @ 6.54
13 82.7% Italian_Jewish + 17.3% Swedish @ 6.54
14 87.6% South_Italian + 12.4% West_Norwegian @ 6.56
15 84% South_Italian + 16% West_German @ 6.63
16 68.8% Cyprian + 31.2% North_Dutch @ 6.64
17 87.7% South_Italian + 12.3% Norwegian @ 6.72
18 83% Italian_Jewish + 17% Orcadian @ 6.76
19 82.5% Italian_Jewish + 17.5% North_Dutch @ 6.78
20 50.5% Greek_Thessaly + 49.5% Italian_Jewish @ 6.78

4-Ancestors Oracle:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Druze +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 7.349265

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Druze +25% Sardinian +25% West_Norwegian @ 5.630871

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.035298
2 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.118029
3 Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.492901
4 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.609580
5 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 5.625443
6 Lebanese_Druze + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.630871
7 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.637346
8 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 5.673005
9 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.699602
10 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Swedish @ 5.779488
11 Assyrian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.804090
12 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Swedish @ 5.852939
13 Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.890549
14 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 5.929566
15 Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 5.950868
16 Kurdish_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.951882
17 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 5.986423
18 Cyprian + Libyan_Jewish + South_Italian + West_German @ 6.024423
19 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Libyan_Jewish + West_German @ 6.034375
20 Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Swedish @ 6.082065


This person would plot southward compared to the Apulian who is geographically further south.

[Peterski]

This person would plot southward compared to the Apulian who is geographically further south.

Yeah, but he has all ancestors from Molise all the way to 5 generations back.

[Sikeliot]

Yeah, but he has all ancestors from Molise all the way to 5 generations back.

What we are seeing is pure geography does not determine genetic plotting in southeastern Europe.

[wvwvw]

Are you sure he is Apulian?

[Sikeliot]

Are you sure he is Apulian?

Yes.

[wvwvw]

Yes.

I take that as a maybe :)

[Sikeliot]

I take that as a maybe :)

His family tree is posted on GEMatch. He is from Brindisi going back 5 generations.

[Coolguy1]

Please post eurogenes k36

[Sikeliot]

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 4.47
Armenian 5.73
Basque 0.26
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.97
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 7.33
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.77
East_Med 11.85
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 4.47
Iberian 7.14
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 22.28
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 9.68
North_African -
North_Atlantic 4.19
North_Caucasian 4.68
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.59
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.13
West_Med 5.47

[GiCa]

Brindisi..

brindisi is a centre of ancient Messapians
and was later colonized maybe by some myceneans as archeologist have foudn mycenean potteries

Erodoto spoke also about a Mycenean origins of people from brindisi


history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brindisi#History :

There are several traditions concerning its founders; one of them claims that it was founded by the legendary hero Diomedes. The geographer Strabo says that it was colonized from Knossos in Crete.
Brindisi was an Ancient Greek settlement predating the Roman expansion. The Latin name Brundisium comes from the Greek Brentesion (Βρεντήσιον) meaning "deer's head", which refers to the shape of the natural harbor. In 267 BC (245 BC, according to other sources) it was conquered by the Romans.[6] In the promontory of the Punta lands, which is located in the outer harbor have been identified as a Bronze Age village (16th century BC) where a group of huts, protected by an embankment of stones, yielded fragments of Mycenaean pottery. Herodotus spoke of the Mycenaean origin for these populations. The necropolis of Tor Pisana (south of the old town of Brindisi) returned Corinthian jars in the first half of the 7th century BC. The Brindisi Messapia certainly entertained strong business relationships with the opposite side of the Adriatic and the Greek populations of the Aegean Sea.
After the Punic Wars it became a major center of Roman naval power and maritime trade. In the Social War it received Roman citizenship, and was made a free port by Sulla. It suffered, however, from a siege conducted by Caesar in 49 BC (Bell. Civ. i.) and was again attacked in 42 and 40 BC.
The poet Pacuvius was born here about 220 BC, and here the famous poet Virgil died in 19 BC. Under the Romans, Brundisium – a large city in its day with some 100,000 inhabitants – was an active port, the chief point of embarkation for Greece and the East, via Dyrrachium or Corcyra. It was connected with Rome by the Via Appia and the Via Traiana. The termination of the Via Appia, at the water's edge, was formerly flanked by two fine pillars. Only one remains, the second having been misappropriated and removed to the neighbouring town of Lecce.

some pictures of the city

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Xl90dvzuoLc/U9XoEHs9nrI/AAAAAAAC2bU/RI6KDabEVi8/s1600/canne+bianche+hotel+spa+fasano+puglia.jpeg

[FilhoV]

Always interesting thanks Sikeliot

[Kenshiro]

His results are pretty common for Apulia, i'm from Gargano (Northeast Apulia) and this Is my plot on mdlpk23b
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 7.256682
2 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 7.430020
3 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 8.753991
4 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 9.752297
5 Sicilian_West_ @ 10.361836
6 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 11.202871
7 Italian_Bergamo_ @ 11.272278
8 Maltese_ @ 11.625672
9 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 12.220324
10 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 13.334848
11 Sicilian_East_ @ 13.781769
12 Greek_Northwest_ @ 13.834847
13 French_Jew_ @ 14.283011
14 Ashkenazi_ @ 14.692682
15 Kosovar_ @ 14.928229
16 Italian_North_ @ 15.227018
17 Spanish_Baleares_IBS_ @ 15.237406
18 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 15.645396
19 Sicilian_Center_ @ 15.689671
20 Central_Greek_ @ 15.828708

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Smyrna_ +50% Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ @ 4.284512

[JerryS.]

I was lead to believe that the gedmatch calculators were outdated and the oracles were suspect when compared to modern day individuals.

[Kenshiro]

I was lead to believe that the gedmatch calculators were outdated and the oracles were suspect when compared to modern day individuals.

it depends, in my case eurogenes and dodecad are quite in line with the results of illustrative dna and with the G25 results
Dodecad k12b
128290
128291
128295
G25
128292
128293
128294