Geographic mistakes: Xinjiang , Tibet is not East Asia and was never part of China

[ButlerKing]

Why is China allowed to stretched it's hand so deep withing Central South Asia lands. Why did national geographics allowed them to be part of East Asia ? China is the only country with a dis proportioned unbalanced geographic territory in the entire countries of Asia. How is a country's border determined? Did China bribed/or pay money to the National Geographic Society to include those territories as part of China ???
A clear red line should be drawn between Western shifted Asia and Eastern shifted Asia.

http://i66.tinypic.com/3127nk2.jpg


It is stupid that the map of " East Asia " includes portions of western shifted Asia. By their stupid logic India and Pakistani are also part of Eastern shifted Asia, also Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Maldives are more Eastern Asia than Xinjiang and Tibet or about the same ????

Even more stupid. If national geographic decides China can claim south-central Asia portions of the country as East Asia than so can Burma. say if one day Burma conquered India/Pakistan does that mean they would be included as Southeast Asia as well ?

South-Central Asia is not complete without Xinjiang and Tibet

https://www.state.gov/cms_images/tip07_sca_map.jpg

[Mingle]

These kind of maps never divide by national borders. If they did, then it would be a lot more messy. These maps are also based on local political relations more often than cultural ones, which is why Bhutan is often wrongly included as part of South Asia. Most Chinese folk probably know that Uyghurs are Central Asians culturally.

By the way, Northeast India, Sikkim, Ladakh, Gilgit-Baltistan, Western Pakistan, and some other regions are arguably not South Asian either. Northeast Iran is arguably not West Asian. Siberia is definitely not European but included as part of Eastern Europe since it's Russian territory. Not dividing countries is just seen as simple and convenient so it's never done, but many maps do it. It's not really a geographic mistake since they have already decided beforehand that they are not gonna divide the country into separate cultural regions.

Basically, China is politically East Asian, so that drags Xinjiang and Tibet into East Asia.

[ButlerKing]

Xinjiang and Tibet being part of China is not more but conquest. There is no historical connections between China and those lands.


Real China is this
http://lhasadaily.com/images/stories/news/pics-2016/July-2016/mongol_tuved_uyghur.png
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fcdfe94e0de6369f6f49434b75ea7f96-c


Also let's get this clear. Xinjiang today is inhabited Turkic and Iranians ( indigenous people: Uyghurs and Pamiri ). Racially, geographically, culturally, linguistically nothing related with Chinese.


Pamiri

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Tajik_Pamiri_children.jpg
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-64c229153df49c5d14ac9879d258b497

Uyghurs

http://i61.tinypic.com/34t6cd5.jpg

[Mingle]

^Pamiris only live in Tashkurgan.

Dzungaria was historically Oirat before the Qing Dynasty committed a full-scale genocide on them. Altishahr (Tarim Basin) is Karluk or "Uyghur". The Turpan Depression was historically Yugur (original Uyghurs) who are speakers of a Siberian Turkic language.

[ButlerKing]

These kind of maps never divide by national borders. If they did, then it would be a lot more messy. These maps are also based on local political relations more often than cultural ones, which is why Bhutan is often wrongly included as part of South Asia. Most Chinese folk probably know that Uyghurs are Central Asians culturally.

By the way, Northeast India, Sikkim, Ladakh, Gilgit-Baltistan, Western Pakistan, and some other regions are arguably not South Asian either. Northeast Iran is arguably not West Asian. Siberia is definitely not European but included as part of Eastern Europe since it's Russian territory. Not dividing countries is just seen as simple and convenient so it's never done, but many maps do it. It's not really a geographic mistake since they have already decided beforehand that they are not gonna divide the country into separate cultural regions.

Basically, China is politically East Asian, so that drags Xinjiang and Tibet into East Asia.


They are part of South Asia. They are Tibeto-Burmese tribes not Chinese and for your info ancient Northeast India belong to proto-Australoid people even southern Burma used to belong to South Asian people


The British historian Daniel George Edward Hall stated that "The Burmese do not seem to have settled in Arakan until possibly as late as the tenth century AD. Hence earlier dynasties are thought to have been Indian, ruling over a population similar to that of Bengal. All the capitals known to history have been in the north near modern Akyab".[96]

One part of Xinjiang even includes Pamiri lands. The Pamiri used to live in a land much larger than within Xinjiang today. So not only Uyghurs deserve independence but also the Pamiris have right for independence.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Sarikoli_Language_in_Xinjiang.png
https://wakhi.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/global-wakhi-network.jpg

[ButlerKing]

These kind of maps never divide by national borders. If they did, then it would be a lot more messy. These maps are also based on local political relations more often than cultural ones, which is why Bhutan is often wrongly included as part of South Asia. Most Chinese folk probably know that Uyghurs are Central Asians culturally.

By the way, Northeast India, Sikkim, Ladakh, Gilgit-Baltistan, Western Pakistan, and some other regions are arguably not South Asian either. Northeast Iran is arguably not West Asian. Siberia is definitely not European but included as part of Eastern Europe since it's Russian territory. Not dividing countries is just seen as simple and convenient so it's never done, but many maps do it. It's not really a geographic mistake since they have already decided beforehand that they are not gonna divide the country into separate cultural regions.

Basically, China is politically East Asian, so that drags Xinjiang and Tibet into East Asia.



YOU ARE WRONG


I'm talking about geographic labels. Siberia is called North Asia in most maps, All South Asia lands are within South Asia. Western Pakistan is still in western shifted Asia unlike Xinjiang which is forced to be eastern shifted due to political reasons.

Siberia (northern Asia) has only few million people despite being the largest land in the world, 99.9999999999% of it's land it's not inhabited.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmt4madMim1qztf57o1_500.jpg

[Bobby Martnen]

Sinkiang (proper English name, "Xinjiang" is just the transliterated Chinese name) is culturally more like Central Asia than East Asia, but is politically part of East Asia.

Same reason Hawaii's often considered part of North America.

[jackrussell]

:)

Kumuk Village in East Turkestan .


Farmer-painters Learn from Life
Yellow, blue, pink, black and white sheep are eating red grass. A girl flies with wings. A whole village is found in the stomach of a cow.

These imaginary scenes appear in the paintings of farmers from Makit County, Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. Living by the remote Taklimakan Desert, these farmer-artists have made their names known to the outside world through their most unique works.

Kumuksar Township, about 7 kilometers away from the town of Makit, is where the local farmers' signature paintings originated.

A bus ride from Makit to Kumuksar takes about half an hour. Visitors find themselves at Kumuksar when they see paintings on the sides of houses on both sides of the road.

Themes are all based upon the farmers' lives: picking cotton, shepherding, building houses, making nang (crusty pancakes made by the Uygur people), singing, dancing, the bazaar, haircutting and so on.

However, they are often quite abstract, with the virtual and the actual blended in the same work.

"Anything I see in the Uygur people's lives, I might try to draw," said Askar Imin, a 34-year-old farmer from Kumuksar.

In Askar's work, "Love for the Hand-drum" a man is playing a hand-drum by some withered trees at night. Behind him is a mosque, and beside the crescent of the mosque is the real crescent of the moon in the sky.

Askar said he got his inspiration for the work from a neighbour who often played the hand-drum at maxiraps, or folk parties, where Uygurs gather to sing and dance.

However, the scene of playing a hand-drum at night before a mosque was totally drawn from his imagination. After he finished his work, he found that the figure in the painting did not look like his neighbor.

The man is kneeling on the ground and holding a hand-drum in his hands, his head raised to face the sky, his eyes closed. Shrugging one of his shoulders, he seems to be dancing to his own beat.

In "New Roller" three groups of people are driving a donkey cart to transport wheat, weighing wheat, and grinding wheat with a new roller. On the upper right corner of the painting is a small patch of a wheat field.

The tableau may not have followed the principle of perspective, but like all the other Makit farmers' paintings, "New Roller" presents a kind of innocence and imagination that we usually can only see in children's paintings.

Not having received formal training in art, these farmer-painters follow their own instincts when drawing. This is probably the reason why these adult farmers still have a child's innocence and imagination.

Askar has a hectare of land to cultivate and a son to look after. He usually comes to the Cultural Station to paint in the afternoon, after finishing his farming.

"If I have time, I can finish a work in two or three days, but I'm often too busy," he said. "Sometimes I can only come once a week, and add a little to a work every time."

Now Askar has been working for a month on a new work entitled "Threshing Ground," although he still needs more time to finish it.

Usually Askar draws a draft with a pencil at first and then applies color. Like other farmer-artists in Makit, he uses a kind of condensed poster pigment to draw.

From this cheap poster pigment comes the strong and unexpected colors in the farmers' paintings of Makit. In their creative use of colors, objects are often bright. There are similarities between the farmers' work and modernist art.

The Cultural Station of Kumuksar provides local artists with a studio and materials such as pigments, paper, brushes and sketchpads. Their work is on sale in the showroom, with prices ranging from 100 to 1,000 yuan (US$12.3 to US$123).

Seventy per cent of the income goes to the artists, while 30 per cent is retained by the Cultural Station to buy materials.

Differing from Makit's traditional folk art like the Dolan Muqam music and Dolan dance, which have developed through centuries, the farmers only started painting in the 1970s.

In the 1960s and 1970s, popular art genres emerged in various areas in China, like workers' paintings, soldiers' paintings and fishermen's paintings. It was also at that time that the farmers' paintings of Makit came into being.

Now there are about 150 farmer-painters in Makit, over 40 of whom live in the Kumuksar Township.

Twenty-year-old Ayxamgul is one of the youngest painters in Kumuksar. A graduate of Xinjiang School of Industry and Commerce, she couldn't find a suitable job, but came back home after graduation. Then she devoted more time to painting, which she started at 18.

Like other farmer-painters, Ayxamgul learned to draw by herself. Though she participated in a training programme sponsored by the government of Makit in 2003, she found that the academic painting skills taught by experts from the Xinjiang Art Academy not very helpful.

"The academic teaching may regulate my skill of lining and coloring, but I still find my own way more natural," said she.

Many other farmers share the same feeling. For them, life is their best teacher.

(China Daily November 30, 2005)





I need volunteers to liberate my village from the Chinese Communist Occupation .


If you are a smart Capitalist/Socialist Democrat ; you'd volunteer .


:D

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/CRRFEN/a-group-of-smiling-young-uyghur-chinese-children-pose-for-the-camera-CRRFEN.jpg

[ButlerKing]

It seems this region also belongs to Kazakhstan. I know western Mongolia also have has Turkic or the Kazakhs

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Second_ETR_in_China.svg/250px-Second_ETR_in_China.svg.png

[Mingle]

It seems this region also belongs to Kazakhstan. I know western Mongolia also have has Turkic or the Kazakhs

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Second_ETR_in_China.svg/250px-Second_ETR_in_China.svg.pngKazakhs there are descended from Kazakh refugees that were given refuge in China. The Koreans of Yanbian are also refugee descendents. The Xibe people in Xinjiang are also not native but came from Manchuria recently. Northern Xinjiang (excluding the Turpan Depression) was originally Oirat/Dzungar like I said.

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[ButlerKing]

Kazakhs there are descended from Kazakh refugees that were given refuge in China. The Koreans of Yanbian are also refugee descendents. The Xibe people in Xinjiang are also not native but came from Manchuria recently. Northern Xinjiang (excluding the Turpan Depression) was originally Oirat/Dzungar like I said.

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So the real Uyghur territory is Southern Xinjiang ?

[Mingle]

So the real Uyghur territory is Southern Xinjiang ?Yes. It was historically known in their language as 'Altishahr'. Northern Xinjiang was Oirat majority before the Qing Dynasty committed genocide on them. But Oirats are also culturally Central Asian. The people of Kalmykia are Oirats that are descended from people that fled the genocide. Kalmyk is just the Kazakh word for "Oirat". In the 17th century, some Oirats (Torghuts, Dörbets) started a back migration from Kalmykia to Dzungaria and their descendants still live there.

By the way, the real Uyghurs that are descended from the people that founded the Uyghur Khanate are the Buddhist Yugurs of Gansu. The modern "Uyghurs" are Karluk people that were given the name "Uyghur" by the Russians in the early 20th century. Before that, they just identified as generic 'Turki'.

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[lameduck]

ruler of hunza(wali Hunza) used to claim lot of xinjiang territory but china gave big stick to pakistan in 1960s and we had to give one side of k2 to china lol

[Yaglakar]

https://www.state.gov/cms_images/tip07_sca_map.jpg

This map is wrong. That northern edge of India is China aka Aksai Chin. :rolleyes:

[ButlerKing]

This map is wrong. That northern edge of India is China aka Aksai Chin. :rolleyes:

Aksai Chin was never part of China so you're wrong yourself.

[Yaglakar]

Yes. It was historically known in their language as 'Altishahr'. Northern Xinjiang was Oirat majority before the Qing Dynasty committed genocide on them. But Oirats are also culturally Central Asian. The people of Kalmykia are Oirats that are descended from people that fled the genocide. Kalmyk is just the Kazakh word for "Oirat". In the 17th century, some Oirats (Torghuts, Dörbets) started a back migration from Kalmykia to Dzungaria and their descendants still live there.

By the way, the real Uyghurs that are descended from the people that founded the Uyghur Khanate are the Buddhist Yugurs of Gansu. The modern "Uyghurs" are Karluk people that were given the name "Uyghur" by the Russians in the early 20th century. Before that, they just identified as generic 'Turki'.

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1. After the fall of Uyghur Khaganate, Uyghurs migrated to their border territories aka Northern Xinjiang and Gansu. By the year 900 several kingdoms got united under one banner - Qocho Uyghurs (Idiqut State). These Uyghurs intermixed with local Tocharians. Yugurs were located to the east of Northern Xinjiang aka Gansu province

http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/images/East-Hem_900ad.jpg

2. These divisions such as "Karluk" are nominal and coined to simply a complex picture. The state of Karakhanids (which encompassed southern Xinjiang) was also related to old Uyghurs through ruling Yaghma clan of the Uyghur Toquz Oguz.
3. Türki language of Karakahnids was closely related to old Uyghur of Northern Xinjiang and both sprang out directly from Old Turkic.
4. The term 'Uyghur' perished after full islamization of Xinjiang around 17th century, because 'Uyghurs' have long been associated with disbelievers - Manicheans, Buddhists and Nestorian Christians.
5. Oirats (Mongols) appeared in Northern Xinjiang in 17th century, in 18th century they were ethnically cleansed by Qing dynasty and their allies at the time - Manchurians and Northern Uyghurs. Uyghurs, Kazakhs and Han Chinese migrated to these depopulated areas.
6. Northern Xinjiang has always been linked culturally with Chinese dynasties, the wealth of kingdoms that were located there depended on trade with China.

[ButlerKing]

1. After the fall of Uyghur Khaganate, Uyghurs migrated to their border territories aka Northern Xinjiang and Gansu. By the year 900 several kingdoms got united under one banner - Qocho Uyghurs (Idiqut State). These Uyghurs intermixed with local Tocharians. Yugurs were located to the east of Northern Xinjiang aka Gansu province

http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/images/East-Hem_900ad.jpg

2. These divisions such as "Karluk" are nominal and coined to simply a complex picture. The state of Karakhanids (which encompassed southern Xinjiang) was also related to old Uyghurs through ruling Yaghma clan of the Uyghur Toquz Oguz.
3. Türki language of Karakahnids was closely related to old Uyghur of Northern Xinjiang and both sprang out directly from Old Turkic.
4. The term 'Uyghur' perished after full islamization of Xinjiang around 17th century, because 'Uyghurs' have long been associated with disbelievers - Manicheans, Buddhists and Nestorian Christians.
5. Oirats (Mongols) appeared in Northern Xinjiang in 17th century, in 18th century they were ethnically cleansed by Qing dynasty and their allies at the time - Manchurians and Northern Uyghurs. Uyghurs, Kazakhs and Han Chinese migrated to these depopulated areas.
6. Northern Xinjiang has always been linked culturally with Chinese dynasties, the wealth of kingdoms that were located there depended on trade with China.


I see you're not a Uyghur because no Uyghur wants to be associated with China.


Are you telling me is geographically correct to include Xinjiang as part of East Asia and part of China ?

[Yaglakar]

I see you're not a Uyghur because no Uyghur wants to be associated with China.


Are you telling me is geographically correct to include Xinjiang as part of East Asia and part of China ?

I'm a realist not a romantic nationalist. ;)

[ButlerKing]

I'm a realist not a romantic nationalist. ;)

What's you real ethnicity ? I know your not a Uyghur from Kazakhstan because every Uyghur I know from Youtube are against China.