Classify Mary J Blige

[Heather Duval]

https://observatoriodocinema.bol.uol.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/mary-j-blige.jpg
https://16762-presscdn-0-89-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/maryjblige-1.png
https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/mary-j-blige.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/55/d7/f355d7fac832ced9df8984af705d79ff.jpg
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Mary+J+Blige+Kendu+Isaacs+BET+Awards+11+Show+cDGYK EGH9Qnl.jpg

[Heather Duval]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znlFu_lemsU

[Sikeliot]

85% SSA, 15% European is my guess.

[Joik]

African

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Mary J blige-id

[aherne]

Looks almost entirely African in most pictures and slightly mixed in others. Something like 90-100% African...

[Odin]

Griffe (Igboid + Alpine).

[Heather Duval]

Griffe (Igboid + Alpine).

alpine lol
she looks nigerian

[sankeby]

She's one of those African-Americans who actually look like they're a direct descendant from the continent.

[Odin]

alpine lol she looks nigerian

She is only 80% African.

[Heather Duval]

She's one of those African-Americans who actually look like they're a direct descendant from the continent.

the majority of them does

[Heather Duval]

She is only 80% African.

have u tested her? cause she looks no different from any nigerian womsn ive seen

[RickBertrand]

transiting from sacatra to visually ''pure'' black.

[Odin]

have u tested her? cause she looks no different from any nigerian womsn ive seen

Makeup and hair pieces can do wonders. She looks like a Griffe more than anything.

[Heather Duval]

Makeup and hair pieces can do wonders. She looks like a Griffe more than anything.

nope
she looks fully black even more without makeup
http://thedrop.fm/files/2012/12/MaryJBlige.jpg?zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89&w=300
https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5a148289140000602b50eacd.jpeg?cache=rpkfwtkh7m&ops=scalefit_630_noupscale
https://observatoriodocinema.bol.uol.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/3-mary-696x398.jpg

[sankeby]

the majority of them does

As one myself, they almost always are distinguishable from Africans to me.

[Heather Duval]

As one myself, they almost always are distinguishable from Africans to me.

nope
those from hollywood of course
irl things are different
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233659-TA-Whitewashing-Aframs

[sankeby]

nope
those from hollywood of course
irl things are different
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233659-TA-Whitewashing-Aframs

Did you not read what I said? I'm one myself. I've see African-Americans all the time in real life. And I rarely watch movies for that matter lol. You live in Brazil, so I'm not sure why you're commenting on what they look like in real life as if you've lived here.

The collective of African-Americans generally don't look like, as a monolith or even majority for that matter, like the cherrypicked images in that thread.

What you're talking about is more descriptive of the Carribeans such as Haiti, Jamaica, etc (but not Puerto Rico/Cuba/DR)

[Heather Duval]

Did you not read what I said? I'm one myself. I've see African-Americans all the time in real life. And I rarely watch movies for that matter lol. You live in Brazil, so I'm not sure why you're commenting on what they look like in real life as if you've lived here.

The collective of African-Americans generally don't look like, as a monolith or even majority for that matter, like the cherrypicked images in that thread.

you just need to search for any pics of guettos to see they are dark skinned in average lol

[sankeby]

you just need to search for any pics of guettos to see they are dark skinned in average lol

Darker than Black Brazilians yes, but African-Americans typically do not look African. Maybe it's because I don't live in a ghetto (anymore) that I don't see dark-skinned AA's on average.

This is a good range of skin tones. The last one on the right would be rare for an African-American whereas everything to the left is seen in the community. The darkest I've seen on an African-American has been the second-most right girl.

https://media.glamour.com/photos/5a806211f157e22f5c49bcab/master/w_1280,c_limit/jeremy1.jpg

[Odin]

nope she looks fully black even more without makeup

But certainly not Nigerian. This is Nigerian.

http://www.ladybrillemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Oluchi-1.jpg

[Heather Duval]

Darker than Black Brazilians yes, but African-Americans typically do not look African. Maybe it's because I don't live in a ghetto (anymore) that I don't see dark-skinned AA's on average.

This is a good range of skin tones. The last one on the right would be rare for an African-American whereas everything to the left is seen in the community. The darkest I've seen on an African-American has been the second-most right girl.

https://media.glamour.com/photos/5a806211f157e22f5c49bcab/master/w_1280,c_limit/jeremy1.jpg

she would fit perfectly in this black neoghboorhod in brooklyn
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/55/e7/15/55e715e4b6ab21af03e34e74c8ec8844.jpg
as well in many parts of the community

[Heather Duval]

But certainly not Nigerian. This is Nigerian.

http://www.ladybrillemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Oluchi-1.jpg

nigerians varies a lot in look
https://www.theinfo.ng/wp-content/uploads/ovie_o/20/Beautiful-Nigerian-Girl-TheinfoNG.jpg
https://cdn.thenigerianvoice.com/story/XGltYWdlc1xjb250ZW50XDcyNzIwMTcxMTQ2NDRfcXpwanguan BnfDQ1MHwzNTB8.jpg

as well women from ghana
http://news.abidjan.net/photos/photos/DSC09654.JPG

[sankeby]

she would fit perfectly in this black neoghboorhod in brooklyn
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/55/e7/15/55e715e4b6ab21af03e34e74c8ec8844.jpg
as well in many parts of the community

not a good example since brooklyn has loads of carribean immigrants, as well as a minority of african immigrants that rival the african-american community in terms of prevalence

[Heather Duval]

not a good example since brooklyn has loads of carribean immigrants, as well as a minority of african immigrants that rival the african-american community in terms of prevalence

black people in louisiana
http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2016/7/7/8187249cf86f46b9bbf4cffae05615a5_18.jpg
dark skinned are majority in every black crowd in usa google images
dont be delusional

[sankeby]

black people in louisiana
http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2016/7/7/8187249cf86f46b9bbf4cffae05615a5_18.jpg
dark skinned are majority in every black crowd in usa google images
dont be delusional

What's delusional is how you think googling images substitutes real life experience of actually seeing what a community looks like.

I don't know about you, but I'm done here.

[Heather Duval]

What's delusional is how you think googling images substitutes real life experience of actually seeing what a community looks like.

I don't know about you, but I'm done here.

and youre acting like they are rare when u just need to google for african americajs in any usa state to know they are mostly dark skinned lol
rare people that appears in just one click on google as average in the guetto crowd

[Carlito's Way]

Darker than Black Brazilians yes, but African-Americans typically do not look African. Maybe it's because I don't live in a ghetto (anymore) that I don't see dark-skinned AA's on average.

This is a good range of skin tones. The last one on the right would be rare for an African-American whereas everything to the left is seen in the community. The darkest I've seen on an African-American has been the second-most right girl.

https://media.glamour.com/photos/5a806211f157e22f5c49bcab/master/w_1280,c_limit/jeremy1.jpg

sorry but i live in california where aframs are supposedly the least africans among the african american community and the girl on the very right is the average skin color of a black girl here in california and everywhere else, the others are extremely rare. And i dont live in the ghetto but in a gated community

you are trying to white wash aframs who are between 80-90% SSA on average
the average afram is not that mix and looks very west african

these are Nigerians in California and they sure as hell dont look out of place among african americans
http://africa-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/2017-10-04-23.06.57-777x437.jpg
http://africa-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Nigerian-flag.jpg
http://africa-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/DSC_1529.jpg


http://africa-online.com/2017/10/04/usa-california-celebrates-nigerias-57th-independence/

[sankeby]

sorry but i live in california where aframs are supposedly the least africans among the african american community and the girl on the very right is the average skin color of a black girl here in california and everywhere else, the others are extremely rare. And i dont live in the ghetto but in a gated community

you are trying to white wash aframs who are between 80-90% SSA on average
the average afram is not that mix and looks very west african

these are Nigerians in California and they sure as hell dont look out of place among african americans
http://africa-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/2017-10-04-23.06.57-777x437.jpg
http://africa-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Nigerian-flag.jpg
http://africa-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/DSC_1529.jpg


http://africa-online.com/2017/10/04/usa-california-celebrates-nigerias-57th-independence/

I never commented on the frequencies though. The rest of you did. I just said those are the ranges, not how often they happened.

The only point I was making was that Africans tend to have different skin tones than African-Americans. For example I would find it extremely rare to find an African-American as dark as Lupita for example. The darkest I find tend to be around Gabrielle Union's skin tone. I also never said they stuck out...I just said Africans do not particularly look like African-Americans to me, hence why I'm able to point them out whenever I see them in real life. My family can, as well. It's generally a conjunction of both facial features as well as skintones, though I will say that it's a LOT easier to point out East Africans than West Africans from the AA populace.

[skain]

griffe

[Sikeliot]

What you're talking about is more descriptive of the Carribeans such as Haiti, Jamaica, etc (but not Puerto Rico/Cuba/DR)

Most Jamaicans show obvious European ancestry like African Americans do. Of Caribbeans, only Haitians tend to look consistently fully African.

[Sikeliot]

http://africa-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/DSC_1529.jpg


Girl on left, is she fully Nigerian? she looks like Cardi B.

[sankeby]

Most Jamaicans show obvious European ancestry like African Americans do. Of Caribbeans, only Haitians tend to look consistently fully African.

Considering the history of the island and how it was basically almost entirely inhabited by slaves upon independence, I'd expect less of a range in phenotypes and skin tones in Jamaicans than in African-Americans. Jamaicans and AA's do have lots of overlap, though. Other Carribean nations like Trinidad and Belize had substantial immigrant populations that affected the demographics and so there's a wider range of phenotypes there due to mixing. However Jamaica and Haiti had very little immigration from other countries

[wvwvw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpDQJnI4OhU&sns=em

[Carlito's Way]

I never commented on the frequencies though. The rest of you did. I just said those are the ranges, not how often they happened.

The only point I was making was that Africans tend to have different skin tones than African-Americans. For example I would find it extremely rare to find an African-American as dark as Lupita for example. The darkest I find tend to be around Gabrielle Union's skin tone. I also never said they stuck out...I just said Africans do not particularly look like African-Americans to me, hence why I'm able to point them out whenever I see them in real life. My family can, as well. It's generally a conjunction of both facial features as well as skintones, though I will say that it's a LOT easier to point out East Africans than West Africans from the AA populace.

The average Afram is much closer to Lupita than Gabrielle Union, not sure what you are talking about. Gabrielle Union skin tone represents like 30% of the Afram population, Lupita is the average skin tone of an African American
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5270270be4b029f7b8646768/t/54a38406e4b0c9d38e029727/1420002349957/?format=1500w


this is the average afram in California, and Aframs in California represent a very small population within the Afram community, and the Aframs from here are the least SSA admixed black american population yet skin wise, they are as dark as Lupita, the next skin tone would be something like Gabrielle Union

https://i.imgur.com/mIlhp4H.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/B0NLUJN.jpg

most black americans live in the south and they are just as dark as Lupita, many even darker than her.

[Carlito's Way]

Girl on left, is she fully Nigerian? she looks like Cardi B.

yes she is full Nigerian

[sankeby]

The average Afram is much closer to Lupita than Gabrielle Union, not sure what you are talking about. Gabrielle Union skin tone represents like 30% of the Afram population, Lupita is the average skin tone of an African American
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5270270be4b029f7b8646768/t/54a38406e4b0c9d38e029727/1420002349957/?format=1500w


this is the average afram in California, and Aframs in California represent a very small population within the Afram community, and the Aframs from here are the least SSA admixed black american population yet skin wise, they are as dark as Lupita, the next skin tone would be something like Gabrielle Union

https://i.imgur.com/mIlhp4H.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/B0NLUJN.jpg

most black americans live in the south and they are just as dark as Lupita, many even darker than her.

I'm from the south, have been schooled in Mississippi and visited almost every other southern state in a plethora of amounts and I have never seen an African-American as dark as Lupita. I never said they weren't close, but there is a difference. If people hear can whine and complain about how some Moroccans have a 10% darker skin tone than an Italian or French person in order to distinguish them then the same should apply for the African diaspora. From my experience AA's tend to be from, say, Union's colour to as light as Mariah Carey, but on average it's generally from Union to maybe a Beyonce-esque skin tone which is still within the shade of solid browns. Even in my ghetto in the deep south I saw that range of skin tones (sans the Carey one). The avg. skin tone range is still DARK, just not as dark as an African. Slightly off-topic but generally AA's tend to lean more towards negroid facial features regardless of skin tone though.

Like I said with Heather, I'm not getting in a picture war with anyone as if Googling images mean anything, but my point was that Africans and AA's do not particularly look the same to me. Take it or leave it at that, but I'm not going to argue with someone online over whether my experience is real or not, especially a silly Brazilian who thinks she's an expert at the subject by Googling some photos lol, and I'm not going to do the same with you.

[Zroota]

Bantuid I guess?

[Heather Duval]

I'm from the south, have been schooled in Mississippi and visited almost every other southern state in a plethora of amounts and I have never seen an African-American as dark as Lupita. I never said they weren't close, but there is a difference. If people hear can whine and complain about how some Moroccans have a 10% darker skin tone than an Italian or French person in order to distinguish them then the same should apply for the African diaspora. From my experience AA's tend to be from, say, Union's colour to as light as Mariah Carey, but on average it's generally from Union to maybe a Beyonce-esque skin tone which is still within the shade of solid browns. Even in my ghetto in the deep south I saw that range of skin tones (sans the Carey one). The avg. skin tone range is still DARK, just not as dark as an African. Slightly off-topic but generally AA's tend to lean more towards negroid facial features regardless of skin tone though.

Like I said with Heather, I'm not getting in a picture war with anyone as if Googling images mean anything, but my point was that Africans and AA's do not particularly look the same to me. Take it or leave it at that, but I'm not going to argue with someone online over whether my experience is real or not, especially a silly Brazilian who thinks she's an expert at the subject by Googling some photos lol, and I'm not going to do the same with you.

nigga most nigerians are lighter than aframs
lupita looks the same shit in skine tone compared to nina simone
kanye west
beyonces father
lil wayne etc
lol and those are common aframs

[Heather Duval]

Most Jamaicans show obvious European ancestry like African Americans do. Of Caribbeans, only Haitians tend to look consistently fully African.

"european traits" lol not all africans are full featured like nina and mary j blige
youre happy to say such thing in a forum full of ignorant crackers
ive met an african girl who even told me diana ross traits are common in her family

[Carlito's Way]

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[Carlito's Way]

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[Carlito's Way]

I'm from the south, have been schooled in Mississippi and visited almost every other southern state in a plethora of amounts and I have never seen an African-American as dark as Lupita.

I doubt you even traveled because I have been to Georgia and to many towns/cities populated by African Americans and they are just as dark as Lupita, many even darker than her ex. Kodack Black
if you need me to post videos of protests and marches of blacks in the south I can do that, you will see very well what their skin color is on average and it will be like Lupita's



I never said they weren't close, but there is a difference. If people hear can whine and complain about how some Moroccans have a 10% darker skin tone than an Italian or French person in order to distinguish them then the same should apply for the African diaspora. From my experience AA's tend to be from, say, Union's colour to as light as Mariah Carey, but on average it's generally from Union to maybe a Beyonce-esque skin tone which is still within the shade of solid browns. Even in my ghetto in the deep south I saw that range of skin tones (sans the Carey one). The avg. skin tone range is still DARK, just not as dark as an African. Slightly off-topic but generally AA's tend to lean more towards negroid facial features regardless of skin tone though.


80-90% SSA will not give you a lighter skin color, simply because the white admixture in blacks is very colonial and not from recent admixture. Also many Nigerians I met in school were far much lighter than the average African American, though the average were a slight lighter but there were many who were very light skin, which I wasnt use to seeing in African Americans unless they were biracials

where are all the Gabrielle Union to Beyonce skin tone Aframs in these video? Majority were even darker than Lupita, that is how the average Southern black looks like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufk7IXdxc-c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RTRkuoAZI8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcBsx_B7Py0



Like I said with Heather, I'm not getting in a picture war with anyone as if Googling images mean anything, but my point was that Africans and AA's do not particularly look the same to me. Take it or leave it at that, but I'm not going to argue with someone online over whether my experience is real or not, especially a silly Brazilian who thinks she's an expert at the subject by Googling some photos lol, and I'm not going to do the same with you.

African Americans on average look very West African and there is nothing wrong with looking pure black, you guys are simply not that mix to begin with, you guys are 80-90% SSA on AVERAGE, and that small percentage of euro will not change your phenotype at all, it just simply doesnt happen

I feel like many of you African Americans wish you guys were just as mix as Afro-Latinos, but the truth is that you guys are much closer to West Africans than to Afro-Latinos in terms of looks and average SSA percentage. Although the only Afro-Latinos you guys are more similar to would be to Haitians than to Afro-Mexicans, Afro-Brazilians, Afro-Uruguayans, Afro-Dominicans, Afro-Puerto Ricans etc





skip to 0:40, tell me what skin tone is more common, Gabrielle Union or Lupita (in fact most are darker than her)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMoRieFGvTk

[TheForeigner]

Negroid...

[sankeby]

x

I'm all for differing opinions, as I stated habitually that it's merely from my experience rather than a generalisation for everyone, but I'm not going to argue with someone so narrow-minded to invalidate someone else's experiences because it shows you're not looking for a conversation but rather someone to join you in your echo chamber. Not only that projecting your own insecurities onto me simply because I disagree with you lol. I don't wish to be Afro-Latina or whatever else; that came out of your mouth and your brain and are of your thoughts, not mine. Take ownership of it instead of placing it onto someone else.

I'm not wasting my time untying that tight ball of yarn that is your logic. I'm out. Reply if you want but I won't be reading it.

[skain]

I'm from the south, have been schooled in Mississippi and visited almost every other southern state in a plethora of amounts and I have never seen an African-American as dark as Lupita. I never said they weren't close, but there is a difference. If people hear can whine and complain about how some Moroccans have a 10% darker skin tone than an Italian or French person in order to distinguish them then the same should apply for the African diaspora. From my experience AA's tend to be from, say, Union's colour to as light as Mariah Carey, but on average it's generally from Union to maybe a Beyonce-esque skin tone which is still within the shade of solid browns. Even in my ghetto in the deep south I saw that range of skin tones (sans the Carey one). The avg. skin tone range is still DARK, just not as dark as an African. Slightly off-topic but generally AA's tend to lean more towards negroid facial features regardless of skin tone though.

Like I said with Heather, I'm not getting in a picture war with anyone as if Googling images mean anything, but my point was that Africans and AA's do not particularly look the same to me. Take it or leave it at that, but I'm not going to argue with someone online over whether my experience is real or not, especially a silly Brazilian who thinks she's an expert at the subject by Googling some photos lol, and I'm not going to do the same with you.

lol. Mariah Carey not even African American is