Arpad dynasty DNA (kings of Hungary & Croatia)

[Rethel]

Don't show it to Rethel :thumb001:

Why?

[Jana]

Why?

Because I1 Anglo-Saxon conquer Roman R1b :)

[Peterski]

2 examples of R1b U106(M405) from Roman Era Britain.

But they were slaves and gladiators, they could be at least partially of Germanic origin.

[Bobby Martnen]

I remember, and sole Anglo-Saxon sample was I1.

Don't show it to Rethel :thumb001:

R1ethel hates I1-men, he's just jealous that we are more manly than him.

[Rethel]

Because I1 Anglo-Saxon conquer Roman R1b :)

One guy?
Btw, even if it would be a majority, they still would act as not them.
Just for the recod, Anglosaxons are one of the most denst R1 folks in
the World, on the level of Poles; Danes are up to almost 60% and the
Saxons - 60% R1, plus - if it matters - Dutch are up to 3/4 R1 and the
Frisians over 63%. So, can you explain me, how your IE-looking and an
IE-speaking I1's IE-germanowannabeism works, becasue I can't get it?
By your methodology, R1 totaly does not exist, and everything is a work
of non-R1 subjugated people or even tiny non-R1 minority... It just does
not have any basic sense. Just wishfull thinking. Basques are up to 90%
R1 - but did you see any R1 to claim basqueness per se?

[Rethel]

R1ethel hates I1-men,

Please, don't input on me words and opinions which I didn;t say neither have.
It is interesting, what you - and your kinsmen - are saying, as it shows your
own way of perception, as everybody judges according to himself. So you
guys, either hate yourself, either us. Tertium non datur.


he's just jealous that we are more manly than him.

And who is saying it... :rolleyes:
=> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?237053-Sometimes-I-get-mistaken-for-gay&p=4997213&viewfull=1#post4997213 :picard1:

[Mingle]

Plenty of Hungarians come from all over Europe and abroad to Kurultaj. It is is anything but a "Cuman" event. It is hosted by Hungarians, for Hungarians, and our eastern family. Not accepting these basic facts about the Kurultaj and our culture only hurts yourself in the form of desperate denialism. Your own GEDmatch results show how Turkic shifted you are, which makes more sense as well given your claimed family background. Therefore, the irony is you throw away a longstanding and noble culture for a Western ideal that you will never match unless you abandon your Magyar heritage with it. Unless you wish to identify as a sort of "foreign noble" ruling over the Magyar masses (which of course you're not), then it makes no sense to worship at their feet. Nobody is calling you less European for it that isn't a troll.

I asked a Hungarian outside this forum about Kurultaj. He said that only people from the 'Turan cringesphere' go there, and that they make up at most 1% of the population.

By the way, do you acknowledge that Hungarians have genetics typical for Central Europe and aren't any more genetically Turkic than their neighbors? It's true that Hungarians score a tiny bit of East Eurasian but so do all your neighbors.

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[Turul Karom]

I asked a Hungarian outside this forum about Kurultaj. He said that only people from the 'Turan cringesphere' go there, and that they make up at most 1% of the population.

By the way, do you acknowledge that Hungarians have genetics typical for Central Europe and aren't any more genetically Turkic than their neighbors? It's true that Hungarians score a tiny bit of East Eurasian but so do all your neighbors.

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Cringe? Considering over 200,000 people attend it, how could some not be odd in the mix? What group of even 100 people wouldn't have someone who is a bit odd? Look at this website in general, lol.

The idea of "cringe" is something I don't care one way or the other about; I guess the Nomad games are nothing special too then? Seems pretty popular to me:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfbSdPwG41M

As for your genetic question, I've always been ideologically consistent with this. Many times, I have stated that we are very influenced by our neighbors and not a surprise to see how the majority Hungarians genetically cluster in Europe today. Here is a post from even a year ago:


Of course I will answer honestly, friend. I identify easily European. It is a common sense identity; even in a geographical sense, Hungary is certainly not the closest European country to Asia. However, what I would like to point out to you, is the logical fallacies of the notion that one cannot have a"Turanian" mindset and be European at the same time. These identities overlap, and are not mutually exclusive. I would like to point out the Anatolian Turks today, and their own physical appearances and diverse haplogroups, at ranges even wider than found in Hungary. Does this change the ethnogenesis of their culture and their people? Not at all. I would like to reiterate this paragraph for you: "I'll never understand why so many people believe that turkic peoples need to look as if they're 100% east Asian. Not only is it somewhat racist in a laughably ignorant way, it ignores the natural genetic drift of nomadic peoples over time. Are the Germans of 2000 years ago the same "Germans" of today? Of course not. But are they somehow expected to hold the same legacy? Depends on who you ask."

Being absorbed fully into the meta-identity of "Central European" is no different than being succumbing into the identity of "Ottoman", or "Hapsburg", or "Soviet" that our ancestors resisted for centuries. I do not conflate being Hungarian with being Ugyhur, Kazar, Turkmen or Turkish. Nor is being Hungarian French, German, or Scandinavian, however it seems our cosmopolitan friends would occasionally take exception to the truthful exclusion. I am Magyar, and there is a bridge between east and west that is only waiting to be properly fulfilled by Hungary. That's a key pillar of importance of Turanism in the 21st century.


There is no need to shun our pre-settlement past that brought us into existence as an ethnicity in the first place. Western and Eastern sources, modern and ancient, cite the importance Turkic peoples played in our ethnogenesis. As we celebrate this steppe culture, we celebrate the uniqueness of Hungary and the greater Turkic world at large in a fraternal and fun way.

[Stears]

I am sure that they are doing it for business and not for enjoyment. Not a single competitive archer, or Nomad Games participant does it for a love of our culture and heritage.

Look at all those CUMAN flags they fly to represent us! I am sure you will see them when you look hard enough for them!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfbSdPwG41M

You claim how isolated the countryside is in this thinking, then as it grows, you ignore it. You ignore contemporary studies, even the ones in this thread, and just post the same tired article full of terms to make the countryside and folk artistry look petty. Adopting this "aristocratic air" is nice but you should be aware that you are a Hungarian, and there is no reason to hate the foundation of your culture. Sadly, and this is honestly a sad moment, you dislike your own calculator and K11 Turkic results. I think you have more interest in being somebody regal than your founding heritage... and that's ok. But you need to appreciate your ancestry. Even your fiancée seems to appreciate it and acknowledges it publicly. I remember you saying you were proud of sharing genetics with the Magyar founding peoples...


In the K11, I was 60% nigger subsaharan. Who take it seriously? These people liguistically genetically anthropologically culturally not related to Hungarians. Hungary has no such traditions. Do you know the meaning of the word "tradition"? Its most important ingredient is the continuity. Even your own hero, the slavo-germanic mixature looking inventor Lajos Kassai recognized in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kzczBq8KCQ, that horse archery is not a tradition in Hungary.

[Stears]

pseudo-scientific romantic turul blah blah blah

This is the magic link for the escape of turulka: http://tet.rkk.hu/index.php/TeT/article/view/98/195
He always flees to circumlocutium (MELLÉBESZÉLÉS) when he sees it.......

[Rethel]

In the K11, I was 60% nigger subsaharan.

Such thing disturb you people, but fictional millions of years, talking
monkeys and pervertism around don't... interesting... just rethorical.

[Turul Karom]

In the K11, I was 60% nigger subsaharan. Who take it seriously? These people liguistically genetically anthropologically culturally not related to Hungarians. Hungary has no such traditions. Do you know the meaning of the word "tradition"? Its most important ingredient is the continuity. Even your own hero, the slavo-germanic mixature looking inventor Lajos Kassai recognized in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kzczBq8KCQ, that horse archery is not a tradition in Hungary.

You were certainly not 60% SSA lol. You posted the results and stated your pride.

[Grishnack]

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/25236-Haplogroups-of-European-kings-and-queens/page3

House of Bjälbo; Birger founded the capital stockholm.

Valdemar I of Sweden (1239–1302) => I1 (Y-DNA), Z1a (mtDNA)
Magnus III of Sweden (1240-1290) => I1 (Y-DNA), Z1a (mtDNA)
Birger I of Sweden (1280-1321) => I1 (Y-DNA)
Valdemar, Duke of Finland (1280s-1318) => I1 (Y-DNA)
Magnus IV of Sweden (1316-1374) => I1 (Y-DNA)
Eric XII of Sweden (1339-1359) => I1 (Y-DNA)
Haakon VI of Sweden & Norway (1340-1380) => I1 (Y-DNA)
Olaf II of Denmark & Norway (1370-1387) => I1 (Y-DNA)

Karadjordjevic Dynasty is also I2a. There may be more I-Dynasties.

Basarab dynasty, also I2a.

[Kelmendasi]

Basarab dynasty, also I2a.
Isn't there speculation that the Basarb Dynasty was E-V13 or J2a/J2b2?

[Stears]

Basarab dynasty, also I2a.


Bassarab was your Turkic cuman overlord with turkic haplogroup.

[Stears]

You were certainly not 60% SSA lol. You posted the results and stated your pride.

Again a circumlocution. Please answer to the Lajos Kassai video and the lack of horse archery tradition in Hungary.

[Stears]

Isn't there speculation that the Basarb Dynasty was E-V13 or J2a/J2b2?

Bassarab (turkic languages little father) was the wallachian state founder cuman turkic overlord.

[Kelmendasi]

Bassarab (turkic languages little father) was the wallachian state founder cuman turkic overlord.
Going by sources I have seen it is more probable that he was a Vlach

[Stears]

Going by sources I have seen it is more probable that he was a Vlach


He lived in Vallachia of course, he was Vallachian in this sense. He created a country for his late nomadic vlach subjects.

Read books about it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=basarab+cuman&num=50&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRqtmX8dLZAhUFyRQKHfCkA5UQ_AUIDygA&biw=1920&bih=963

[Carpatz]

He lived in Vallachia of course, he was Vallachian in this sense. He created a country for his late nomadic vlach subjects.

Read books about it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=basarab+cuman&num=50&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRqtmX8dLZAhUFyRQKHfCkA5UQ_AUIDygA&biw=1920&bih=963

Your results show that you are Armenoid. Your nomadic ancestors must've traveled quite a distance.

[Böri]

Again a circumlocution. Please answer to the Lajos Kassai video and the lack of horse archery tradition in Hungary.

After Hungary became a western kingdom, the horse archery culture disappeared. However, earlier the Magyar raiders had horse archery culture. At Lechfeld battle they also deployed some horse archers İ guess. When Bazz Battles says 'the eastern style of warfare', that's the Turkic medieval style light cavalry and horse archery xD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN47_4uabOw&t=510s

[Stears]

After Hungary became a western kingdom, the horse archery culture disappeared. However, earlier the Magyar raiders had horse archery culture. At Lechfeld battle they also deployed some horse archers İ guess. When Bazz Battles says 'the eastern style of warfare', that's the Turkic medieval style light cavalry and horse archery xD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN47_4uabOw&t=510s


Do you know the meaning of Tradition? Tradition does not exist without continuity.

[Grishnack]

Isn't there speculation that the Basarb Dynasty was E-V13 or J2a/J2b2?

Or something like that. I don't know for sure. Highly unlikely they were Turks, though.

[Grishnack]

Bassarab was your Turkic cuman overlord with turkic haplogroup.

http://dienekes.blogspot.ro/2012/07/a-look-at-y-chromosomes-of-romania-via.html


Highly unlikely, Stears. I don't think that the Basarabs were Turkic. Just a name with a certain origin doesn't indicate very much.

[blogen]

Basarab dynasty, also I2a.

Based on what? Your government stopped the investigation last times.

[Bosniensis]

Do you know the meaning of Tradition? Tradition does not exist without continuity.

Stears you should become Horse Archer, it's in your genes... you'll do fine...

he he he

[ovidiu]

It would be cool if they could get DNA from Arpad himself (if they even know where he was buried) or even St. Stephen. This was several centuries later so it isn't that elucidating.

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And even though it's a bit off-topic, I don't see anything that wrong with supposing at least a partially Turkic origin for the Basarab dynasty; it seems plausible. Many if not most countries had leaders that were of different origins than the population at many times in their history anyway. I don't think it changes that much either way.