Albanian MyHeritage results

[Popeye]

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[Bosniensis]

My FTDNA Autosomal is finished but still waiting for raw data download link.

I'll upload to Myheritage as well... they accept FTDNA transfer right?

[Popeye]

My FTDNA Autosomal is finished but still waiting for raw data download link.

I'll upload to Myheritage as well... they accept FTDNA transfer right?

They accept all data , I believe. I wouldnt trust their results much though.

[Popeye]

These seem to be quite typical results from what I have seen on myheritage.

Other typical results are where they score pred Greek with some Balkan. Or mostly just Greek.

They also seem to score some minor west african, middle east/west asian, jewish, a lot of north west europe and iberian. So do other Balkanites.

Ive seen Catholic Malsors , which are the most isolated Albanians, score quite high North West Euro, some African and Middle East and Amerindian. Some of these make no sense. And they scored 80+ Balkan... which seems to peak in Yugoslavs and Albanians according to maps but even Polaks, Slovenes etc get high of this.



Its not just Albanians, but various other European ethnicities get this.

Overall this DNA test seems to be less accurate compared to all other various tests Ive seen where the results are more similar to eachother.

Even ancestrydna mostly gives just Italy/Greece , east europe and minor Caucasus/West Asian. All , Italians, Greeks, Albanians etc get that.

They are new and I think it needs updating. They have updated their matches list and you get now more relatives

[Dibran]

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Most Albanians come out 50/50 Balkan/Greek on MyHeritage. That one with 90 Balkan is highest I have seen. I am 76 Greek 16 Balkan, 8 Italian. My Father is 98 Greek 2 Italian. No Balkan surprisingly. Haven't uploaded my mothers yet. We are from Diber Vogel. Mother is from Puka.

[Dukagjini]

Most Albanians come out 50/50 Balkan/Greek on MyHeritage. That one with 90 Balkan is highest I have seen. I am 76 Greek 16 Balkan, 8 Italian. My Father is 98 Greek 2 Italian. No Balkan surprisingly. Haven't uploaded my mothers yet. We are from Diber Vogel. Mother is from Puka.

Any word on why Albs from Montenegro plot Norther, and I think score more East Euro than other Alb subgroups? You can even tell in the face/phenotype of us Malesors that our ancestors def mixed with some slav chick some time ago.

[Dibran]

Any word on why Albs from Montenegro plot Norther, and I think score more East Euro than other Alb subgroups? You can even tell in the face/phenotype of us Malesors that our ancestors def mixed with some slav chick some time ago.

I am not sure. I can definitely see your point though. I think intermarriage with Montenegrin Clans is the case. For instance, my mother looks like her father, who in turn looks like his mother, whom was 50/50 Albanian and Slavic Montenegrin. My moms clan is from Puka with origins in the south. They have been in Puka long enough for the genetic impact. She typically comes up with a big chunk of South Slavic like admixture. I think this is the case. Her mothers side were also from Shkoder not too far from the Montenegrin border.

[Popeye]

Most Albanians come out 50/50 Balkan/Greek on MyHeritage. That one with 90 Balkan is highest I have seen. I am 76 Greek 16 Balkan, 8 Italian. My Father is 98 Greek 2 Italian. No Balkan surprisingly. Haven't uploaded my mothers yet. We are from Diber Vogel. Mother is from Puka.

I saw one example with 98% Balkan and minor Nigerian lol which I saw various people get funny enough, seems quite typical to get some Nigerian, another 90+ Greek.

That Nigerian surely cant be real xD also some middle east and some got like 30% North west europe,

Results as yours are typical too but youre right the average could be around there, more or less. I didnt bother uploading, editing my own results out, screenshotting much, but needless to say, we get a wide range of results from these things

[Dibran]

I saw one example with 98% Balkan and minor Nigerian lol which I saw various people get funny enough, seems quite typical to get some Nigerian, another 90+ Greek.

That Nigerian surely cant be real xD also some middle east and some got like 30% North west europe,

Results as yours are typical too but youre right the average could be around there, more or less. I didnt bother uploading, editing my own results out, screenshotting much, but needless to say, we get a wide range of results from these things

Yea. I don't think its necessarily inaccurate. What I think is the case is due to socio-political factors as well as many other factors throughout history, each region will differ. Depending on the genetic impact one group has on an area that another region may not have. This could be why Montenegrin Albanians look the tallest of all. Perhaps from mixing with Montenegrin Slavic clans. But there are even Albanians from Montenegro I have seen who shift more towards Albanians of Macedonia, and Albanians from Hoti who come out like Bulgarians/Romanians moreso than Albanian. Its a genetic clusterfuck lol.

[Thracian]

They accept all data , I believe. I wouldnt trust their results much though.

You are right. Their results are unstable. If someone upload his/her same data again, he/she will get different scores.

[Dukagjini]

I am not sure. I can definitely see your point though. I think intermarriage with Montenegrin Clans is the case. For instance, my mother looks like her father, who in turn looks like his mother, whom was 50/50 Albanian and Slavic Montenegrin. My moms clan is from Puka with origins in the south. They have been in Puka long enough for the genetic impact. She typically comes up with a big chunk of South Slavic like admixture. I think this is the case. Her mothers side were also from Shkoder not too far from the Montenegrin border.

I haven't even done an autosomal test yet but I just know just by the look of people in my family, and region there is definitely some Slav in there somewhere. It sucks bro lol. I want to be pure Albo lol. Mind you I always thought that us Monte Albs had some sort of unique look from other Albanians, and I thought this uniqueness mean't we were more pure turns out it's just East Euro admix. But we aren't that heavily Slav admixed right? We still look like Albanians just a tad different. It sucks that 23andme grouped South Slavs and Albo's in one group because if it was separate we could tell how much Balkan...Monte Albs would get.

[Dibran]

I haven't even done an autosomal test yet but I just know just by the look of people in my family, and region there is definitely some Slav in there somewhere. It sucks bro lol. I want to be pure Albo lol. Mind you I always thought that us Monte Albs had some sort of unique look from other Albanians, and I thought this uniqueness mean't we were more pure turns out it's just East Euro admix. But we aren't that heavily Slav admixed right? We still look like Albanians just a tad different. It sucks that 23andme grouped South Slavs and Albo's in one group because if it was separate we could tell how much Balkan...Monte Albs would get.

It doesn't make you less Albanian. For instance, autosomally I come out very Albanian. Alot more than some. But, my Y-DNA is L1029* which most likely arrived with the early Sklavenoi tribes into Byzantium in the early middle ages. So my earliest Paternal ancestor was most likely a Slavic tribesman and/or Ostrogoths. My Hotjan friend for instance is E-V13 which is a typical Albanian Y-DNA. He autosomally comes up very close to Bulgarians and Romanian with 25 Albanian like admixture. We are an ethno-linguistic group after all. So we won;t all have the same. I remember when Albanians started converting en masse to Islam in the 1800s that some Albanian muslim clans were bothering some Christian Albanians whom fled to the Macedonian side of the border. Many of which are probably assimilated now since they werent persecuted over religion. Many factors led to a shift of people over borders etc.

My closest pop is usually Northern Albania or Epirus. Interestingly there is a Arvanite clan with my surname from Epirus, mentioned in the middle ages, that migrated to west Macedonia and south Albania. This would explain my YDNA as R1a L1029 is more common in the Southern Albanians and Northern Greeks. So far its low in Ghegs. Seems highest in central Albania. The most common South Slavic YDNA is I2a1b-Din though. Then again I am L1029* negative downstream. My only close match is an Albanian from Gostivar with our most recent ancestor suspected to live 1000 years ago. All my matches are mostly between 1800-2300 years ago. So, too far back to really tell. They are scattered between north west south east and central europe. May test my father to form our own cluster between us, since I am by myself on the Yfull tree.

With Montenegrin Albanians, its hard to say. Some of the East Euro admixture is being read as Slavic when it could be Steppe admixture from pre-slavic NE European derived groups. Like Thracians, Illyrians etc. I suppose when more ancient DNA samples pop up we will learn more. Where in Montenegro are you from?

Albanians have around the same if not less than Greeks when it comes to Slavic admixture. Bulgarians and Macedonians tend to overlap with Albanians and Greeks. Suggesting they are closer to Albanians and Greeks than Slavs. Croatians Bosnians and Serbs seem to cluster the furthest from other Balkanites.

[Dukagjini]

It doesn't make you less Albanian. For instance, autosomally I come out very Albanian. Alot more than some. But, my Y-DNA is L1029* which most likely arrived with the early Sklavenoi tribes into Byzantium in the early middle ages. So my earliest Paternal ancestor was most likely a Slavic tribesman and/or Ostrogoths. My Hotjan friend for instance is E-V13 which is a typical Albanian Y-DNA. He autosomally comes up very close to Bulgarians and Romanian with 25 Albanian like admixture. We are an ethno-linguistic group after all. So we won;t all have the same. I remember when Albanians started converting en masse to Islam in the 1800s that some Albanian muslim clans were bothering some Christian Albanians whom fled to the Macedonian side of the border. Many of which are probably assimilated now since they werent persecuted over religion. Many factors led to a shift of people over borders etc.

My closest pop is usually Northern Albania or Epirus. Interestingly there is a Arvanite clan with my surname from Epirus, mentioned in the middle ages, that migrated to west Macedonia and south Albania. This would explain my YDNA as R1a L1029 is more common in the Southern Albanians and Northern Greeks. So far its low in Ghegs. Seems highest in central Albania. The most common South Slavic YDNA is I2a1b-Din though. Then again I am L1029* negative downstream. My only close match is an Albanian from Gostivar with our most recent ancestor suspected to live 1000 years ago. All my matches are mostly between 1800-2300 years ago. So, too far back to really tell. They are scattered between north west south east and central europe. May test my father to form our own cluster between us, since I am by myself on the Yfull tree.

With Montenegrin Albanians, its hard to say. Some of the East Euro admixture is being read as Slavic when it could be Steppe admixture from pre-slavic NE European derived groups. Like Thracians, Illyrians etc. I suppose when more ancient DNA samples pop up we will learn more. Where in Montenegro are you from?

Albanians have around the same if not less than Greeks when it comes to Slavic admixture. Bulgarians and Macedonians tend to overlap with Albanians and Greeks. Suggesting they are closer to Albanians and Greeks than Slavs. Croatians Bosnians and Serbs seem to cluster the furthest from other Balkanites.

I am from a place called Shestani-Kraja,(Skadarska Krajina srb) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skadarska_Krajina Many of these Shestani have been slavicized to Montenegrins but they still know they are Albanian. I am not related to those. Originally my fathers side come from Gruda, but they traveled to Godinje and then settled in Shestani. It's hard to tell though because there are people from my village that have the same last name as me but people tell me are not related. Although it is documented by a guy Andrija Jovicevic that we came from Gruda so I believe it to be true.

Mind you my father never even knew we came from Gruda. All this stuff has been forgotten. Crazy shit.

[Dibran]

I am from a place called Shestani-Kraja,(Skadarska Krajina srb) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skadarska_Krajina Many of these Shestani have been slavicized to Montenegrins but they still know they are Albanian. I am not related to those. Originally my fathers side come from Gruda, but they traveled to Godinje and then settled in Shestani. It's hard to tell though because there are people from my village that have the same last name as me but people tell me are not related. Although it is documented by a guy Andrija Jovicevic that we came from Gruda so I believe it to be true.

Mind you my father never even knew we came from Gruda. All this stuff has been forgotten. Crazy shit.

From my knowledge, the Grudjan and Hotjan groups are the least Slavic admixed in Montenegro from what I have seen, and typically have Albanian Y-DNA like V13 and J2b. My Hotjan friend is the exception, his father was originally(Albanian according to my him) from Greek Macedonia. Greek Macedonia has alot of Slavic admixture, which could explain my friends shift towards Bulgarians and Romanians on autosomal.

My paternal origin story actually wen't to shit(well not for certain yet). We originally believed per oral history that we descended from the Perhspalaj of Mirdita. However, a user on this forum mentioned per accepted Albanian oral histories(which may be wrong) that Pershpalaj are from fis Kalaj, whom according to testing were R1b. If the oral history is wrong, then perhaps we did come from Mirdita. However if it is correct, then it had to be a woman who married into the line, and the story got lost in translation.

I tried testing Perhspalaj I got in touch with, even offering to pay, but they all refused. Whereby another Albanian claimed they refuse because they are originally from Italy, from the Appenines and arrived as a Condottieri during Skanderbegs time, as mercenary against Ottomans(per supposed church records that were burned by the Serbs). So now there are 2 conflicting Pershpalaj origins. One stating nativity to Albania, the other that they migrated as mercenaries from Italy.

So, until an actual surnamed Pershpalaj tests, we won;t know which narrative is true. The most probable is that a woman married in and we are actually descended from Epirote Arvanite that migrated to West Macedonia. From there could have spilled over the border into Diber Vogel, where we have been in Okshtun for at least 350 years(before which we assume longer). My Gostivar match I think strengthens this scenario.

[Ujku]

What is this ''Greek'' DNA?

[Dibran]

What is this ''Greek'' DNA?

From my understanding, it includes Greek, Albanian, Bulgarian reference groups.

[Dukagjini]

From my knowledge, the Grudjan and Hotjan groups are the least Slavic admixed in Montenegro from what I have seen, and typically have Albanian Y-DNA like V13 and J2b. My Hotjan friend is the exception, his father was originally(Albanian according to my him) from Greek Macedonia. Greek Macedonia has alot of Slavic admixture, which could explain my friends shift towards Bulgarians and Romanians on autosomal.

My paternal origin story actually wen't to shit(well not for certain yet). We originally believed per oral history that we descended from the Perhspalaj of Mirdita. However, a user on this forum mentioned per accepted Albanian oral histories(which may be wrong) that Pershpalaj are from fis Kalaj, whom according to testing were R1b. If the oral history is wrong, then perhaps we did come from Mirdita. However if it is correct, then it had to be a woman who married into the line, and the story got lost in translation.

I tried testing Perhspalaj I got in touch with, even offering to pay, but they all refused. Whereby another Albanian claimed they refuse because they are originally from Italy, from the Appenines and arrived as a Condottieri during Skanderbegs time, as mercenary against Ottomans(per supposed church records that were burned by the Serbs). So now there are 2 conflicting Pershpalaj origins. One stating nativity to Albania, the other that they migrated as mercenaries from Italy.

So, until an actual surnamed Pershpalaj tests, we won;t know which narrative is true. The most probable is that a woman married in and we are actually descended from Epirote Arvanite that migrated to West Macedonia. From there could have spilled over the border into Diber Vogel, where we have been in Okshtun for at least 350 years(before which we assume longer). My Gostivar match I think strengthens this scenario.

It's a legit clusterfuck lol. Albanians have always been a traditional people who always married there own throughout history so I think it's one of the only places where oral stories could turn out to be true, but then I see that we have we have mixed and its a surprise because our pride is unmatched. The only way you will know is if you test the Pershpalaj. It's interesting though, I can see some slav somewhere in my family like I said, but man....many of my relatives look Albanian it's nuts. My first cousin in particular looks literally like King Bardhys or some Illyrian king came back to life.

[Dibran]

It's a legit clusterfuck lol. Albanians have always been a traditional people who always married there own throughout history so I think it's one of the only places where oral stories could turn out to be true, but then I see that we have we have mixed and its a surprise because our pride is unmatched. The only way you will know is if you test the Pershpalaj. It's interesting though, I can see some slav somewhere in my family like I said, but man....many of my relatives look Albanian it's nuts. My first cousin in particular looks literally like King Bardhys or some Illyrian king came back to life.

Lmao it really is. Well, a certain subset of Albanian clans were very radical with pride. Not all though. Also, from my reading, many of the Albanian tribal practices did not evolve until the mid-late 1300s. This would mean, much of the backbone of Albanian tribalism would not yet come into fruition. The tribes of Albania mentions as much. This would suggest earlier tribes were more open. Albanians on the lowlands were more open to assimilation and intermixing, as opposed to highly isolated mountain clans. This affect however is purely for paternal and maternal lineage purposes. Which explains why R1a and I2a are more common in lowland Albania. Autosomal genetics is a different matter. You may marry an Albanian girl for instance whose earliest ancestor was from Bosnia and over a few generations perhaps lost his native tongue, eventually taking an Albanian name. With time, and integration, the children of such offspring wouldn't be distinguishable.Then, with time you forget and things get jumbled in the process.

This much I know, my fathers line have been in Okshtun i Vogel for 350-400 years minimum. My region is very averse to Slavs. So it would had to have already arrived as Albanian speaking. the earliest ancestor could have been from the Baiounitai, one of the Skalavenoi tribes in the first wave. Most of which were assimilated in Greece and Albania. Also the Berzites are possible too. Being that I am negative downstream, my line could have taken a different migration. Ostrogoths sweapt through L1029 hotspots. They could have brought it earlier which would explain why I lack all the shared SNPs with other L1029 downstream.

Me and my father have a mutual autosomal match who has a Koci in their family tree(what are the odds) from Berat/Korce. They are Orthodox. So they have to be from a branch that diverged much earlier(since we are Muslims). Its scary, the communist Bako Koci from Korce looks exactly like my uncle lmao. My guess is we came from a southern clan that settled in West Macedonia, a branch of which went to Diber in Albania.

Yea I dodged the Albanian nose lmao. But, the nose is a key feature of alot of the Roman and Balkan rulers. The Dinaric type that is. I was classified as a Dinaricized Paleo-Atlantid. Paleo Atlantid is a Cromagnid type. The purest of which is supposedly in a region of Denmark. It is more a western type. The dinarcization providing that South-East shift. My grandfather is Dinaricized Pontid. My maternal grandfather Dinarid with CM. Autosomal genetics can be random. Some Albanians are very blonde and blue eyed with little slavic admixture. I am not sure how genes for complexion and what not work. Perhaps you can autosomally be Albanian, but express genes associated with Slavic admixture in dominance.

My next step is to define my own cluster by testing my father with BigY.

[Popeye]

What is this ''Greek'' DNA?

According to their map, Greek is mostly Greece, Southern/Central Albania and Macedonia while the Balkan covers those same areas + Northern Albania / Kosova and West Balkans where its supposed to peak, So I figure the Greek and Balkan is interchangeable but at the same time their Balkan component is unstable as it is found high in non Balkanites which according to their map isnt supposed to. It only peaks in actual Balkans. Basically, its a bullshit autosomal test and not to waste your money. Same as ancestrydna, East Europe is unstable. Its probably a Northern shift.

Basically, there shouldnt be a Greek cluster in the first place since it also touches some of the same areas as the Balkan. There should of just been a Balkan. Same for ancestrydna, there shouldnt be a lumping of italy/greece. This is what makes these tests inaccurate compared to others. Basically, the greek-Balkan is just 100% Balkan.

Their Balkan :

https://imgur.com/trpi5lW.jpg

Their Greek :

https://imgur.com/KegOrBn.jpg

Thei Greek is basically a more Southern shift on average. Most Greeks wont score 100 Greek. Like most Albanians wont.

Greek probably peaks in Epirus or Peloponnese or somewhere.

[Popeye]

I haven't even done an autosomal test yet but I just know just by the look of people in my family, and region there is definitely some Slav in there somewhere. It sucks bro lol. I want to be pure Albo lol. Mind you I always thought that us Monte Albs had some sort of unique look from other Albanians, and I thought this uniqueness mean't we were more pure turns out it's just East Euro admix. But we aren't that heavily Slav admixed right? We still look like Albanians just a tad different. It sucks that 23andme grouped South Slavs and Albo's in one group because if it was separate we could tell how much Balkan...Monte Albs would get.

23andme has an own East Europe category so does myorigins, it will detect any East European ancestry it can. Its Balkan doesnt include East Europe, only South Slavs that share some South East Euro genes with Albanians etc are included, its been like that for years.., East European genes , West Europe etc shared with other European populations etc are seperated as best they can, thats why you see South Slavs score on average more East Europe than Albanians on myorigins and 23andme because they have more of such ancestry on average. This is also what it says on the 23andme page and average scores.

So it will detect such ancestry to some extent. But if you have only one slavic ancestor it might not detect it unless you test older generations and thats not much neither is it enough to change the racial make up of a population or make you shift more north.

23andme goes 300-500 years back, myorigins 2000 years back... scoring 20% east euro on myorigins doesnt neccessarily make you shift more north , on 23andme such a person might score few % and its not enough to make someone shift north. Such genes get dilluted unless they are really large. Like say you score 10% East Euro on 23andme, that should shift you more North. But most Albanians barely score any East Europe on 23andme.

I dont think Albs of Montenegro have any more Slavic neccessarily, ive seen Kosovars and other Albs score quite high East Europe and some of them still plotted south.

Montenegro Albs are just naturally Northern shifted, same way as some other Northern Albanian areas , as they do overlap with some other North Albanians.. its just depends on samples.

Gruda etc used to just be Malsia or part of North Albania like the rest.


So the different plotting among Albanian areas is just natural. Like any other country, North to South being the biggest difference.

[Dukagjini]

Lmao it really is. Well, a certain subset of Albanian clans were very radical with pride. Not all though. Also, from my reading, many of the Albanian tribal practices did not evolve until the mid-late 1300s. This would mean, much of the backbone of Albanian tribalism would not yet come into fruition. The tribes of Albania mentions as much. This would suggest earlier tribes were more open. Albanians on the lowlands were more open to assimilation and intermixing, as opposed to highly isolated mountain clans. This affect however is purely for paternal and maternal lineage purposes. Which explains why R1a and I2a are more common in lowland Albania. Autosomal genetics is a different matter. You may marry an Albanian girl for instance whose earliest ancestor was from Bosnia and over a few generations perhaps lost his native tongue, eventually taking an Albanian name. With time, and integration, the children of such offspring wouldn't be distinguishable.Then, with time you forget and things get jumbled in the process.

This much I know, my fathers line have been in Okshtun i Vogel for 350-400 years minimum. My region is very averse to Slavs. So it would had to have already arrived as Albanian speaking. the earliest ancestor could have been from the Baiounitai, one of the Skalavenoi tribes in the first wave. Most of which were assimilated in Greece and Albania. Also the Berzites are possible too. Being that I am negative downstream, my line could have taken a different migration. Ostrogoths sweapt through L1029 hotspots. They could have brought it earlier which would explain why I lack all the shared SNPs with other L1029 downstream.

Me and my father have a mutual autosomal match who has a Koci in their family tree(what are the odds) from Berat/Korce. They are Orthodox. So they have to be from a branch that diverged much earlier(since we are Muslims). Its scary, the communist Bako Koci from Korce looks exactly like my uncle lmao. My guess is we came from a southern clan that settled in West Macedonia, a branch of which went to Diber in Albania.

Yea I dodged the Albanian nose lmao. But, the nose is a key feature of alot of the Roman and Balkan rulers. The Dinaric type that is. I was classified as a Dinaricized Paleo-Atlantid. Paleo Atlantid is a Cromagnid type. The purest of which is supposedly in a region of Denmark. It is more a western type. The dinarcization providing that South-East shift. My grandfather is Dinaricized Pontid. My maternal grandfather Dinarid with CM. Autosomal genetics can be random. Some Albanians are very blonde and blue eyed with little slavic admixture. I am not sure how genes for complexion and what not work. Perhaps you can autosomally be Albanian, but express genes associated with Slavic admixture in dominance.

My next step is to define my own cluster by testing my father with BigY.

This could also be the case. It could also be the case that some Albo, me for instance, could be autosomally Albanian but express Slavic like genes in his/her look. The only way you will know is if you do a test.

[Skerdilaid]

Dibran, you have a Hoti friend who’s V13? All Hoti tested thus far are J2b2. Very interesting. Where is he from exactly and where has he tested?

[Dibran]

Dibran, you have a Hoti friend who’s V13? All Hoti tested thus far are J2b2. Very interesting. Where is he from exactly where has he tested?

Hey Skerdilaid,

He is from Michigan as far as the states. Tested with 23andme. However, he said his father is originally an Albanian from Greek Macedonia. So perhaps thats why hes not J2b2.

[Skerdilaid]

Hey Skerdilaid,

He is from Michigan as far as the states. Tested with 23andme. However, he said his father is originally an Albanian from Greek Macedonia. So perhaps thats why hes not J2b2.
So how come he says he is fis Hoti then? Quite odd if you ask me. Anywho, it would be nice to get him on our project.

[Dibran]

So how come he says he is fis Hoti then? Quite odd if you ask me. Anywho, it would be nice to get him on our project.

Because they have been there for close to 200 years if I am not mistaken. I mentioned it to him a while ago, he never did tell me if he planned on testing further.

[Dukagjini]

23andme has an own East Europe category so does myorigins, it will detect any East European ancestry it can. Its Balkan doesnt include East Europe, only South Slavs that share some South East Euro genes with Albanians etc are included, its been like that for years.., East European genes , West Europe etc shared with other European populations etc are seperated as best they can, thats why you see South Slavs score on average more East Europe than Albanians on myorigins and 23andme because they have more of such ancestry on average. This is also what it says on the 23andme page and average scores.

So it will detect such ancestry to some extent. But if you have only one slavic ancestor it might not detect it unless you test older generations and thats not much neither is it enough to change the racial make up of a population or make you shift more north.

23andme goes 300-500 years back, myorigins 2000 years back... scoring 20% east euro on myorigins doesnt neccessarily make you shift more north , on 23andme such a person might score few % and its not enough to make someone shift north. Such genes get dilluted unless they are really large. Like say you score 10% East Euro on 23andme, that should shift you more North. But most Albanians barely score any East Europe on 23andme.

I dont think Albs of Montenegro have any more Slavic neccessarily, ive seen Kosovars and other Albs score quite high East Europe and some of them still plotted south.

Montenegro Albs are just naturally Northern shifted, same way as some other Northern Albanian areas , as they do overlap with some other North Albanians.. its just depends on samples.

Gruda etc used to just be Malsia or part of North Albania like the rest.


So the different plotting among Albanian areas is just natural. Like any other country, North to South being the biggest difference.

I think the recent 23andme v4 and v5 have grouped South Slavs and Albo's into one group, many members on here can attest to this. South Slavs like Bosniensis had their Balkan jump up by like 20+ %. Check out this video of Serbian girl doing 23andme test and getting 96% balkan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Vl18qZY5E

As far as Slavic admixture in Albs from Montenegro, who even knows at this point. Albanians from Montenegro are still pretty Albanian as far autosomal genetics are concerned, I guess? I still haven't seen any autosomal data on us Monte Albs, which I really want to see.

[Popeye]

^ 23andme has always included South Slavs into the Balkan cluster and also Maltese. Its been like that for years.

Its not something that came with the new chip. They just updated some peoples results. While some results didn't change at all. Weather its accurate is debatable but remember this test goes only few hundred years back.

South Slavs scoring that high Balkan isn't unheard of. But it's not your average. She also got some minor East Europe. On pca she would plot with Albanians orand close. on myorigins she would score more East euro. there are Serbs that are Serbianised to some degree. Bosniensis is quite Southern shifted, far from typical Bosniak. All depends on individual. Ive seen quite Southern shifted south slavs and some really Northern.

Youre making it seem as if every South Slav and Albanian will score same Balkan when they wont. They haven't just lumped anything Balkan into one Balkan category. Their Balkan category could aswell been named South East Europe, some of it has a more Southern shift and others a more Northern.

Your average Croat or Bosniak doesn't score that high Balkan for example. They also score significant East Europe.

23andme has a East European category, so if you have significant East European ancestry or show genetic similarity with such populations you will probably get it.

Some broadly South Euro Albanians get should fall into Balkans so should some Italian. And you'd see Albanian results get upped. Some south euro fell into Balkan for some after update I've seen Albanians score 100% Balkan.

If 23andme update is accurate is up for debate but their Balkan always included South Slavs and Maltese.


If you wanna know your East European ancestry, or North west do MyOrigins. It goes back 2000 years and detects the highest amount in Albanians of any test Ive seen. If you don't get anything there it means you don't have much significant of such ancestry. Such as having one Slavic ancestor might not show or it might but its insignificant. I agree that phenotype can express such distant genes, so do myorigins and ydna.

But such genes get dilluted so on 23andme East euro or north west euro is insignificant to have any impact anywhere where you plot if its not high .. even if you scored some East Euro etc on myorigins. Some distant slavic ancestry doesnt shift you more North. But depends on the data you use. Some Albanians scored more East Euro / North west than me on myorigins and they still shift more South.

Regarding MyHeritage, I see some Albanians score even more Greek than Greeks themselves like some do on ancestrydna italy/greece so I dont think there should be a Greek cluster either. Greece is a large country. I doubt a Cretan islander will score 90+ Greek even though they are pure Greeks. Same way Italy/Greece shouldn't be lumped together.

Greek on myheritage is probably a southern shift that peaks somewhere in Epirus, peloponnese.. same way italy/greece is a southern shift on ancestrydna and the East Europe is a northern shift .. same thing for the Balkan here.

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V3 chips are left unchanged since many years ago.

[TheMaestro]

https://imgur.com/k75hpR6.jpg

https://imgur.com/GHZfhs6.jpg

https://imgur.com/hqQe6SQ.jpg

https://imgur.com/eS7MdRI.jpg

https://imgur.com/Ce7zTwP.jpg

https://imgur.com/ZE6hKwH.jpg

U used my results? Not even ask :) Anyways i score high Balkan bcz mother sides family is Hungarian.

[Leka]

U used my results? Not even ask :) Anyways i score high Balkan bcz mother sides family is Hungarian.

A lot of Albanians that are 100% Albanian score high Balkan on this. I myself got 43%. But I have seen way higher like almost 100%.

[TheMaestro]

A lot of Albanians that are 100% Albanian score high Balkan on this. I myself got 43%. But I have seen way higher like almost 100%.

Yeah he used my photo its the second one 88% Balkan and 12% Gr

[Leka]

Yeah he used my photo its the second one 88% Balkan and 12% Gr

How do you know it's your picture though? I have seen several people get same results as me.

[TheMaestro]

How do you know it's your picture though? I have seen several people get same results as me.

The % is literally same and ive posted my results few months ago

[Leka]

The % is literally same and ive posted my results few months ago

All the results were taken from OPs matches list and not from here, he even says so in the first page. You can also see it the way he has edited out his own results.

If those really are your results you technically match the OP.

[chyyris]

I think the recent 23andme v4 and v5 have grouped South Slavs and Albo's into one group, many members on here can attest to this. South Slavs like Bosniensis had their Balkan jump up by like 20+ %. Check out this video of Serbian girl doing 23andme test and getting 96% balkan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Vl18qZY5E

As far as Slavic admixture in Albs from Montenegro, who even knows at this point. Albanians from Montenegro are still pretty Albanian as far autosomal genetics are concerned, I guess? I still haven't seen any autosomal data on us Monte Albs, which I really want to see.

She is probably Vlach from Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs_of_Serbia

[TheMaestro]

All the results were taken from OPs matches list and not from here, he even says so in the first page. You can also see it the way he has edited out his own results.

If those really are your results you technically match the OP.

Yeah well I didnt really care he posted them, cause he didnt include name, just pin pointed :D