Spain's Support Vital to U.S. Independence.

[Cato]

Thank you Espana for sending supplies, money, and- most importantly of all, men who shed blood and died, to make my country free from the tyranny of the British crown. :thumb001:

http://www.neta.com/~1stbooks/vital.htm

"The American Revolution used funds collected from people living in the present states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California--then a part of Mexico. An important percentage of financial support originated in New Spain, now called Mexico. Eventually, thousands of Spanish troops fought British troops throughout the Americas."

[Don]

Thank you Espana for sending supplies, money, and- most importantly of all, men who shed blood and died, to make my country free from the tyranny of the British crown. :thumb001:

http://www.neta.com/~1stbooks/vital.htm

"The American Revolution used funds collected from people living in the present states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California--then a part of Mexico. An important percentage of financial support originated in New Spain, now called Mexico. Eventually, thousands of Spanish troops fought British troops throughout the Americas."

I guess war and conquest, after all, is our speciality... and "dealing" with british was then not a new or unknown task for us (as well as with too many other races, cultures or moving beings that touched our balls in the earth).

By the way, we had some unpayed accounts* with them... so that is why, among other things, we were so efficient and dedicated (as ever) in that duty implying your "freedom".... and our debt.


* One of many examples. http://www.cartagenainfo.net/glenndavid/blasdelezo.html

[Cato]

I guess war and conquest, after all, is our speciallity... and "dealing" with british was then not a new or unknown task for us (as well as with too many other races, cultures or moving beings that touched our balls in the earth).

Well, you have to also understand this from my perspective.. In U.S. history books, the contribution of the French always seems to be the main topic of European support for American freedom from Britain.

I recall, back to my school days, never once reading about Spanish support of American freedom. Now that I'm older and wiser I can conclude a couple of things: 1) Spain's support of the colonial revolution in North America from the mother-country (Britain) is forgotten for some specific reason; 2) America will always be closer to Spain than Britain, largely due to the blood of Spanish troopers shed on the ground of the "land of the free, home of the brave."

Also, America will always be adversarial to Britain, even if it doesn't seem to be the case.

[Ibericus]

Indeed, Spain had an important role.
Bernardo de Gálvez y Madrid :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_de_G%C3%A1lvez_y_Madrid,_Count_of_G%C3%A1 lvez

[Don]

I recall, back to my school days, never once reading about Spanish support of American freedom. Now that I'm older and wiser I can conclude a couple of things: 1) Spain's support of the colonial revolution in North America from the mother-country (Britain) is forgotten for some specific reason; 2) America will always be closer to Spain than Britain, largely due to the blood of Spanish troopers shed on the ground of the "land of the free, home of the brave."

Also, America will always be adversarial to Britain, even if it doesn't seem to be the case.

Thanks.

Your words, somehow, honor and satisfy these men infamously forgotten...

If them would have known who will be on charge of that new Country... probably they would have not sacrificed their lives...
You know what I mean, the same elements that answers to the reasons why we are not recognised and agraviated in your contry.

[Cato]

Thanks.

Your words, somehow, honor and satisfy these men infamously forgotten...

If them would have known who will be on charge of that new Country... probably they would have not sacrificed their lives...
You know what I mean, the same elements that answers to the reasons why we are not recognised and agraviated in your contry.

Yes, the blood of Spanish caballeros and criolloangloamericano martyrs was shed for little, it seems. Washington and Carolos III were letter-writers back and forth, so it seems, but...

The same elements are always the same, dark forces who hate God, culture, civilization.. Hateful of pure races: the moros, sudacas, negritos, etc. May hell embrace them. They want to destroy us in the end, driven on by their dark masters.

Nation means much, as does race or ethnicity in the end. For me, an Anglocriollo in America is as good as any modern Englishman? Do you agree ser Don? :)

[poiuytrewq0987]

I think it's interesting how small the Spanish presence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_American) is in the USA today considering how large of a role they had in the colonialism of the Americas.

[Cato]

I think it's interesting how small the Spanish presence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_American) is in the USA today considering how large of a role they had in the colonialism of the Americas.

I've only met a single Spanish-American in my life, a fellow from Madrid who moved to the U.S. to be with and marry a local [Celtosaxon? she has red hair] girl. He's named Carlos, and a milder and more kindly fellow would be hard to consider.

These days, I think that a Spanish-American is as rare as an English-American. :eek:

[Cato]

P.S. I'm not trying to dump on Brits as kinfolk, just the corrupt crown that caused the rebellion in the first place.

[Piparskeggr]

Good thread.

I found my copy of the US History book we used in 7th and 8th grade.

The Spanish contribution to the cause of the American Colonies is mentioned, albeit briefly...mainly in the context of their Alliance with France dating from 1761. Their formal entry is put at a year after France's in February, 1778, and a year before Holland's.

The amount of aid any of the European powers gave, save France, is not gone into detail...the book is a 1961 revision of the 1957 1st edition, so it doesn't even cover the US Presidential election of 1960. It teaches American history from an unabashedly American perspective.

http://www.americanrevolution.org/hispanic.html

This is a very good article, which told me a lot of facts I had not known before.

As a US Veteran, I salute my Spanish brothers in arms who helped bring about the birth of this land I love; forebears of mine were doing their part up in New England.

[Don]

Yes, the blood of Spanish caballeros and criolloangloamericano martyrs was shed for little, it seems. Washington and Carolos III were letter-writers back and forth, so it seems, but...

The same elements are always the same, dark forces who hate God, culture, civilization.. Hateful of pure races: the moros, sudacas, negritos, etc. May hell embrace them. They want to destroy us in the end, driven on by their dark masters.

Nation means much, as does race or ethnicity in the end. For me, an Anglocriollo in America is as good as any modern Englishman? Do you agree ser Don? :)


Only by your action, honoring and remembering the name and lives of these forgotten men, you prove you are a man of honor, de respeto. Un caballero. A pride for your nation and race.
Sadly this kind of virtues and men are under extinction.

[Alvarado]

Apart from Gálvez, many others played an important role in that war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Saavedra_de_Sangronis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Diego_de_Gardoqui

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esteban_Rodr%C3%ADguez_Mir%C3%B3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Farragut

[Cato]

Only by your action, honoring and remembering the name and lives of these forgotten men, you prove you are a man of honor, de respeto. Un caballero. A pride for your nation and race.
Sadly this kind of virtues and men are under extinction.

For those who have died to defend the honor of Amerca.. May Ormazd bless them!

[Cato]

reciprocating ass kissing!

^
What fag added this to the tags? Out with it.

A debt is owed; a debt is due.

Probably some Brits faggot, eh?

[Don]

reciprocating ass kissing!

^
What fag added this to the tags? Out with it.

A debt is owed; a debt is due.

Probably some Brits faggot, eh?

:)

Someone is jealous... we have our own space far from envious eyes :P

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/group.php?groupid=168

[Cato]

Good thread.

I found my copy of the US History book we used in 7th and 8th grade.

The Spanish contribution to the cause of the American Colonies is mentioned, albeit briefly...mainly in the context of their Alliance with France dating from 1761. Their formal entry is put at a year after France's in February, 1778, and a year before Holland's.

This is what I mean, France gets more praise, as if American independence was somehow predicated upon France alone. :confused:

[Cato]

:)

Someone is jealous... we have our own space far from envious eyes :P

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/group.php?groupid=168

Trolling the tags I can see, but it's better just to come out and show yourself. :eek: That's a good group too, made for a very specific reason.

[Cato]

Let's keep this thread active.