My father's DNAland results

[BalkanTurk]

He is a Turk from northern Greece, but DNA matches show loads of relatives from central and southern Greece, as well ass northern Greece, and surprisingly enough also Kosovar Albanians.

Could anyone explain how there is Mediterranean islander in his results? I do remember that very few DNA matches of mine and his on Ancestry and Myheritage were Greek Cypriots, but I don't know where the connection could possibly be from. If some DNA matches are from Cyprus I'd understand there is some Mediterranean islander, but he is over a third of it...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180216/8e92aba7199f28b3b54655d8e29b8ac4.jpg

[Voskos]

Med islander=East Med.

[BalkanTurk]

Med islander=East Med.How much of it do mainland Greeks and Albanians score?

[Voskos]

How much of it do mainland Greeks and Albanians score?

I scored 24% and I'm Greek islander.not sure about other areas.

[Bosniensis]

100% Turan from Chagatay horde.

[BalkanTurk]

100% Turan from Chagatay horde.I can say the same thing about you Indo-Europeans... how much ancestry have you inherited from your Indo-European ancestors that spread your identities?... not much.

[Bosniensis]

I can say the same thing about you Indo-Europeans... how much ancestry have you inherited from your Indo-European ancestors that spread your identities?... not much.

I am not indo-european,

I am Proto-European I2

You are True Turan from Steppes don't worry, we believe you.

[BalkanTurk]

I am not indo-european,

I am Proto-European I2

You are True Turan from Steppes don't worry, we believe you.

Yes you are Indo-European, just like I am Turkic. That you don't want the same idiotic narrative be applied to you like you did to me does not change that. If you can't take the truth just admit you are wrong and a hypocrite and move on, princess.

[Bosniensis]

Yes you are Indo-European, just like I am Turkic. That you don't want the same idiotic narrative be applied to you like you did to me does not change that. If you can't take the truth just admit you are wrong and a hypocrite and move on, princess.

Calm down, I've only said your Father is 100% Turan from Steppe Hordes.

Chagatay, Oguz, etc..

:)

For the Horde!

Cheers

[BalkanTurk]

Calm down, I've only said your Father is 100% Turan from Steppe Hordes.

Chagatay, Oguz, etc..

:)

For the Horde!

Cheers

Yup, 100% Turan.

Just like you are 100% islamized Serbian made to believe Bosniaks are a distinct ethnic group.

[Bosniensis]

Yup, 100% Turan.

Just like you are 100% islamized Serbian made to believe Bosniaks are a distinct ethnic group.

I don't think I know that.

Just like you know that you are 100% Turan from Steppe Hordes

[Tauromachos]

How much of it do mainland Greeks and Albanians score?

How much do Sardinians,Corsicans or Croatian Islanders from Korcula score?

[BalkanTurk]

What kind of results your father get on eurogenes k13?PuntDNA seems to be more accurate but here is EU k13 :https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180216/61bac5eae5acfb741e1e7c6d0d01fad2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180216/dfec8f4e108f5a65b9193c221f0553b2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180216/e403c711404ef4cda53f8257cdb20af7.jpg

[Tauromachos]

I scored 24% and I'm Greek islander.not sure about other areas.

Apparently the sample is not made of Greek Islanders otherwise you would score much more.

No name me any Mediteranean nation which has more Islands than Greece i don't know any

Particular in the Eastern Mediteranean not..

[Leto]

Yes you are Indo-European, just like I am Turkic. That you don't want the same idiotic narrative be applied to you like you did to me does not change that.
The Indo-Europeans existed a few thousands of years ago and they never were a unified nation or ethnicity. It's exclusively a linguistic category nowadays.

[Bosniensis]

@BalkanTurk

Why you call yourself Balkan Turk?

It's not like Turks Grow on Balkan Trees.... Turks conquered us.. .therefore NO SUCH THING AS BALKAN TURK

You are Kirghiz, Kazakh Tartar from East-Central Asia.

Don't mentio Balkan, that's a place you destroyed :)

[Leto]

Please share his Dodecad K12b results.

[Tauromachos]

The Indo-Europeans existed a few thousands of years ago and they never were a unified nation or ethnicity. It's exclusively a linguistic category nowadays.

Anyone who as seen ever a real Indo European to tell me how they looked like

[Leto]

@BalkanTurk

Why you call yourself Balkan Turk?

It's not like Turks Grow on Balkan Trees.... Turks conquered us.. .therefore NO SUCH THING AS BALKAN TURK

You are Kirghiz, Kazakh Tartar from East-Central Asia.

Don't mentio Balkan, that's a place you destroyed :)
The man has a lot of Thracian and Macedonian blood, so it seems. Only like 5% mongoloid.

[BalkanTurk]

@BalkanTurk

Why you call yourself Balkan Turk?

It's not like Turks Grow on Balkan Trees.... Turks conquered us.. .therefore NO SUCH THING AS BALKAN TURK

You are Kirghiz, Kazakh Tartar from East-Central Asia.

Don't mentio Balkan, that's a place you destroyed :)

Why do you call yourself Bosniak? You are clearly just forcefully islamized Serbians subject to centuries of devşirme by the oh so cruel Ottomans.

Greeks conquered the Minoans, therefore there are no Cretan Greeks? You make zero sense. Every people conquers a region and makes it their own, including yourself. It is very ironic to hear these words from a Slav.

[BalkanTurk]

Interesting
By the way do you know what is your y-dna haplogroup?I2a1b3 or something

[BalkanTurk]

Please share his Dodecad K12b results.Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Druze_HGDP +50% German_Dodecad @ 5.358244


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad +25% Turkmens_Yunusbayev +25% Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 3.265280


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.938609
2 British_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.059559
3 Hungarians_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Syrians_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.140232
4 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Kent_1000Genomes + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.157064
5 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.211220
6 Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.223923
7 Bulgarian_Dodecad + English_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.248675
8 Cornwall_1000Genomes + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Romanians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.268833
9 Bulgarian_Dodecad + CEU30_1000Genomes + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.282773
10 British_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.308208
11 Argyll_1000Genomes + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.328732
12 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Irish_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.330722
13 C_Italian_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar + Swedish_Dodecad @ 2.333772
14 Bulgarian_Dodecad + French_HGDP + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Syrians_Behar @ 2.341615
15 Hungarians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Syrians_Behar @ 2.355711
16 Hungarians_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Syrians_Behar + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.363780
17 Kent_1000Genomes + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Romanians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.384003
18 Argyll_1000Genomes + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.390713
19 Bulgarian_Dodecad + French_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Syrians_Behar @ 2.405764
20 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Kent_1000Genomes + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.406128https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180216/505ab7e794011bf4935e9b7de1bcb5de.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180216/27e5e9ba43c3519a259dd07274d2d621.jpg

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[Bosniensis]

I2a1b3 or something

You are not Turk, you are insulting yourself by calling yourself "TURK"

Turk is an Insult, you are Balkan-Anatolian guy.

[BalkanTurk]

You are not Turk, you are insulting yourself by calling yourself "TURK"

Turk is an Insult, you are Balkan-Anatolian guy.Shut up Janissary-Serb.

[Bornoz]

Bro niye cevap veriyorsun ki :lol:
Türklüğün ne kadar Orta Asyalı olduğunla ölçüldüğünü sanan insanlara laf anlatmaya çalışıyosun. Bi sal ya :D

[BalkanTurk]

Obviously you are a Turkish and I don't want to take anything away from your Turkishness, at the end of the day, the culture and the belonging to a group are the most important things, not haplogroups.

Thank you for that. I appreciate it. I wish more people *ahum.. Bosniensis.. ahum* had the same level of intellect as you.

[Tauromachos]

Why do you call yourself Bosniak? You are clearly just forcefully islamized Serbians subject to centuries of devşirme by the oh so cruel Ottomans.

Greeks conquered the Minoans, therefore there are no Cretan Greeks? You make zero sense. Every people conquers a region and makes it their own, including yourself. It is very ironic to hear these words from a Slav.

The Minoans were Greeks themselfes ,moron or to say it this way an earlier version of Greek people that populated ancient Crete and some Islands .
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325768/The-Minoans-Caucasian-DNA-debunks-longstanding-theory-Europes-advanced-culture-Africa.html

https://phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html




(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325768/The-Minoans-Caucasian-DNA-debunks-longstanding-theory-Europes-advanced-culture-Africa.html)

[BalkanTurk]

The Minoans were Greeks themselfes ,moron or to say it this way an earlier version of Greek people that populated ancient Crete and some Islands .
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325768/The-Minoans-Caucasian-DNA-debunks-longstanding-theory-Europes-advanced-culture-Africa.html

https://phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html




(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325768/The-Minoans-Caucasian-DNA-debunks-longstanding-theory-Europes-advanced-culture-Africa.html)No it was not dipshit.

[Marmara]

You are not Turk, you are insulting yourself by calling yourself "TURK"

Turk is an Insult, you are Balkan-Anatolian guy.

:bleedingeyes::bleedingeyes::banghead::banghead::c omp26::flynch::flynch: Ok, now you're in my list too you maniac.

[Tauromachos]

No it was not dipshit.

:crazy:

[Tauromachos]

...



Who gave you the right to talk about who or what is Greek or not?

What do you know about Minoans?

I can tell what you know about them, Jackshit

So keep quite and learn if you want to know and in case you don't want piss off

[Bosniensis]

:bleedingeyes::bleedingeyes::banghead::banghead::c omp26::flynch::flynch: Ok, now you're in my list too you maniac.

You are just another false Turk... you haven't seen couple of Turks in your whole life.

If your family and your neighbours don't look like people on these picture, you can shove your "Turkish Identity" in your ass.

You Anatolians are the most stupid people on Earth (apparently).

https://i.imgur.com/yVit0MY.png


https://i.imgur.com/YvYvMCS.png

[BalkanTurk]

You are just another false Turk... you haven't seen couple of Turks in your whole life.

If your family and your neighbours don't look like people on these picture, you can shove your "Turkish Identity" in your ass.

You Anatolians are the most stupid people on Earth (apparently).

https://i.imgur.com/yVit0MY.png


https://i.imgur.com/YvYvMCS.pngAnd you think you look like the original Indo-Europeans? Your haplogroup is not even Indo-European yet you say Turks are not real Turks. You can't get more hypocrital.

If you and your family can't trace your ancestry back to only Bosniak shove your Bosniak identity up your ass... that's right, you are an islamized Serb and Bosnia was settled by the Sorbs.

[Marmara]

You are just another false Turk... you haven't seen couple of Turks in your whole life.

If your family and your neighbours don't look like people on these picture, you can shove your "Turkish Identity" in your ass.

You Anatolians are the most stupid people on Earth (apparently).

https://i.imgur.com/yVit0MY.png


https://i.imgur.com/YvYvMCS.png

I feel like you're very confused. Why are you trying to Indo-Europeanize Turks? İ don't see Hungarians or Finns drop their identity for an Indo-European one, why do you drop your Slav identity? Maybe it's because you are already not an ethnic slavic Bosniak, which might be the reason of your confusion.

Ottoman dynasty is directly descended from Central Asia.

[Leto]

You are just another false Turk... you haven't seen couple of Turks in your whole life.
Ethnic Turks look like this famous Turkish supremacist
http://www.afyonhaber.com/images/haberler/uploads/2014/04/alparslan-turkes-kurtlere-soz-verdi-benim-de-yegenlerim-kurt_09.01.2013_15.04.jpg

The first Azerbaijani president Abulfaz Elchibey was promoting Turanism as well.
http://en.apa.az/upload/images/news/2016/august/22/big/0aaeda0d76c8bb04c237c24f8f8ff35b.jpg

[Bobby Martnen]

This is good evidence to support my contention that Turks are Central Asian, not indigenous to the East Med area.

[BalkanTurk]

This is good evidence to support my contention that Turks are Central Asian, not indigenous to the East Med area.Lol keep crying, I am native.

[Tauromachos]

Lol keep crying, I am native.

How awesome do you feel about your father's ancestry ?

[Bobby Martnen]

Lol keep crying, I am native.

Your father has clear Central Asian roots, although mixed with natives.

[BalkanTurk]

How awesome do you feel about your father's ancestry ?What am I supposed to feel? It's just his ancestry. Not like I am descended from some Ottoman Sultan or whatsoever, it's just ancestry. Lol. How do you feel about being too butthurt to acknowledge Greeks are heterogenous?

I also want to point out I love how all the 'You're not really Turkish!1!1!' comments stopped coming in after I uploaded his GEDmatch results. Just hilarious.

[BalkanTurk]

Your father has clear Central Asian roots, although mixed with natives.And these 'natives' have clear roots from elsewhere. Learn about human history and you'll understand me!

[Bobby Martnen]

And these 'natives' have clear roots from elsewhere. Learn about human history and you'll understand me!

Turks aren't fully indigenous to Asia Minor. They're like Mexican mestizos - natives mixed with invaders who took on the language and religion of the invaders.

[BalkanTurk]

Turks aren't fully indigenous to Asia Minor. They're like Mexican mestizos - natives mixed with invaders who took on the language and religion of the invaders.Just like Greeks. Pre-Greek natives who took the language and religion of the invaders. Just like Mexican mestizos.

[Bobby Martnen]

Just like Greeks. Pre-Greek natives who took the language and religion of the invaders. Just like Mexican mestizos.

That's true of Pontic and Cypriot Greeks, but not of Phanariotes or Ionians.

[Tauromachos]

What am I supposed to feel? It's just his ancestry. Not like I am descended from some Ottoman Sultan or whatsoever, it's just ancestry. Lol. How do you feel about being too butthurt to acknowledge Greeks are heterogenous?

I also want to point out I love how all the 'You're not really Turkish!1!1!' commenta stopped coming in after I uploaded his GEDmatch results. Just hilarious.

Where exactly do you see such a comment from my side in your thread?

I'm not butthurt about anything i know what i'm and where i'm from
I'm Greek neither a Balkanite ,a Turk,an Arab or a Swede and its good like what it is

[BalkanTurk]

That's true of Pontic and Cypriot Greeks, but not of Phanariotes or Ionians.Yes it is also true for them because the proto-Greeks assimilated tons of pre-Greeks. Do some research and stop embarrassing yourself.

[Bobby Martnen]

Yes it is also true for them because the proto-Greeks assimilated tons of pre-Greeks. Do some research and stop embarrassing yourself.

Well, at least I know I'm a genetically native member of my ethnicity. (German, I'm I-M253)

[Tauromachos]

Yes it is also true for them because the proto-Greeks assimilated tons of pre-Greeks. Do some research and stop embarrassing yourself.

There were no Invadors from which Greeks took their language.

Greek language evolved from Mycanean Greek which you call Pre-Greek into the different ancient dialects into what is Greek today.

Turks and Slavs always project their identity problems onto Greeks because Greeks are culture significantly older then them
and they are the ones who came as Invadors and imposed their language and identity on the majority of the native population.
Thats the sad truth

[BalkanTurk]

There were no Invadors from which Greeks took their language.

Greek language evolved from Mycanean Greek which you call Pre-Greek into the different ancient dialects into what is Greek today.

Turks and Slavs always project their identity problems onto Greeks because Greeks are culture significantly older then them
and they are the ones who came as Invadors and imposed their language and identity on the majority of the native population.
Thats the sad truth

The sad truth is that you are the dumbest idiot I have ever met and I've met a bunch of idiots.

The Myceneans were Greeks, I never denied that dipshit. The Myceneans themselves had Indo-European ancestry (less than 25%) according to a genetic study and it was them that assimilated the Minoans into Greeks. The Greek identity and language did not evolve out of the pre-Greeks, it is an Indo-European language and identity from the northern shores of the Black Sea.

We don't have any 'problems' to project on you irrelevant bunch of people, we just state the truth and use our neighbour that has gone from highly cultured to in default 50% of their time as an independent poeple to prove our point.

THAT is the sad truth you can not come to terms with.

[Leto]

Your father has clear Central Asian roots, although mixed with natives.
He is mostly native. Only around 6% mongoloid. The rest of the components are the same as in Greeks and Albanians.

[Bornoz]

Well, at least I know I'm a genetically native member of my ethnicity. (German, I'm I-M253)

He is also genetically a native member of his ethnicity. Genetics of Balkan Turks are more or less like that.
It is fault of gedmatch sites to use samples of Anatolian Turks as ''Turk''. There is no difference between ''Turkness'' of Anatolian, Balkan, Caucasus and Middle Eastern Turks.
Genetics are different but that doesn't matter. They could take results of Balkan Turks too.

[oszkar07]

I am not indo-european,

I am Proto-European I2

You are True Turan from Steppes don't worry, we believe you.

I am Proto-European I2

Ja isto.

[Bobby Martnen]

He is mostly native. Only around 6% mongoloid. The rest of the components are the same as in Greeks and Albanians.

The point I'm trying to make is that, just like their language implies, Turks really do have Central Asian admixture - they're not just native Anatolians who took on the invader's language, they're mixed, just like mestizo Mexicans, who are genetically a mix of native Amerindians and Spanish invaders, and now use the language and religion of the Spanish.

[Bobby Martnen]

He is also genetically a native member of his ethnicity. Genetics of Balkan Turks are more or less like that.
It is fault of gedmatch sites to use samples of Anatolian Turks as ''Turk''. There is no difference between ''Turkness'' of Anatolian, Balkan, Caucasus and Middle Eastern Turks.
Genetics are different but that doesn't matter. They could take results of Balkan Turks too.

Aren't Caucasus Turks Azeris?

[BalkanTurk]

Aren't Caucasus Turks Azeris?Not all. There are Kumyks, Ahiska Turks etc. too. One of my friends is an Ahiska Turk (from Georgia).

[Tauromachos]

Not all. There are Kumyks, Ahiska Turks etc. too. One of my friends is an Ahiska Turk (from Georgia).

Nice to know :)

[Bornoz]

Not all. There are Kumyks, Ahiska Turks etc. too. One of my friends is an Ahiska Turk (from Georgia).

Other than BalkanTurk has mentioned, there are Karachays or Karachay Turks. My mother is one of them :lol:

[Bobby Martnen]

Other than BalkanTurk has mentioned, there are Karachays or Karachay Turks. My mother is one of them :lol:

Which group is the rednecks of Turkey?

A redneck is someone like this in America:
http://cdn0.wideopencountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Redneck-meme.jpg

[Bornoz]

Which group is the rednecks of Turkey?

A redneck is someone like this in America:
http://cdn0.wideopencountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Redneck-meme.jpg

Unfortunately, mostly Kurds.
Because the educational opportunities are not sufficient in the regions where Kurds are in the majority..

[Tauromachos]

Unfortunately, mostly Kurds.
Because the educational opportunities are not sufficient in the regions where Kurds are in the majority..

I think it would be rather Laz by phenotype and customs"music"

Laz are the hillbillies of Anatolia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6grNR2E-OJ0

[Bornoz]

I think it would be rather Laz by phenotype and customs"music"

Laz are the hillbillies of Anatolia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6grNR2E-OJ0

1- This video has nothing Laz but original song is in Laz language. You can listen it from here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8b3ePjDi4

2- I did not understand why Laz people are phenotypically more appropriate?

3- Thar general culture doesn't only belong to Lazes, it belongs to all Blacksea.

[grecoroman]

didnt you have a youtube channel???

[Leto]

The point I'm trying to make is that, just like their language implies, Turks really do have Central Asian admixture - they're not just native Anatolians who took on the invader's language, they're mixed, just like mestizo Mexicans, who are genetically a mix of native Amerindians and Spanish invaders, and now use the language and religion of the Spanish.
Well, the OP doesn't even cluster with Anatolian Turks.

[Leto]

Unfortunately, mostly Kurds.
Because the educational opportunities are not sufficient in the regions where Kurds are in the majority..
Kurds are Indo-European and more Caucasoid, hence whiter and superior. :cool:

[Bornoz]

Kurds are Indo-European and more Caucasoid, hence whiter and superior. :cool:

:1099:

OvKey Nazi boy

[Tauromachos]

1- This video has nothing Laz but original song is in Laz language. You can listen it from here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8b3ePjDi4

2- I did not understand why Laz people are phenotypically more appropriate?


Because of their light types

There can found among them the lightest people from Turkey

Apparently not so much presented in these videos though

[DarknessWin]

He is a Turk from northern Greece, but DNA matches show loads of relatives from central and southern Greece, as well ass northern Greece, and surprisingly enough also Kosovar Albanians.

Could anyone explain how there is Mediterranean islander in his results? I do remember that very few DNA matches of mine and his on Ancestry and Myheritage were Greek Cypriots, but I don't know where the connection could possibly be from. If some DNA matches are from Cyprus I'd understand there is some Mediterranean islander, but he is over a third of it...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180216/8e92aba7199f28b3b54655d8e29b8ac4.jpg

Most of the "turks" in the balkans are actually Turkified and Islamized natives and dna results just prove this.
I saw in Greek Thrace (north east Greece) Pomaks with blonde and blue eyes people with slavic phenotypes to call themselves Turks

All of these people are just natives and janissaries and have no connection to turkish dna

[BalkanTurk]

Most of the "turks" in the balkans are actually Turkified and Islamized natives and dna results just prove this.
I saw in Greek Thrace (north east Greece) Pomaks with blonde and blue eyes people with slavic phenotypes to call themselves Turks

All of these people are just natives and janissaries and have no connection to turkish dna

Most of the "Greeks" in the Balkans are actually assimilated/hellenized pre-Greeks like Pelasgians, Leleges, Tyrrhenians etc. and genetic testing pove this. They are not Greek invaders, but natives!

In addition, there are Pontic and Anatolian Greeks with no sign of Greek ancestry! Assimilated Armenians, Lazes and Anatolians!

All of these people are just forcefully assimilated natives, raised to hate their own races and have no connection to the REAL Greeks from Ukraine since they were Indo-Europeans.

And for your information, Janissaries had no children + Turkish ancestry, not DNA since there is no such thing as ethnicity DNA, is present among Balkan Turks.

Beat this.

[Tauromachos]

Most of the "Greeks" in the Balkans are actually assimilated/hellenized pre-Greeks like Pelasgians, Leleges, Tyrrhenians etc. and genetic testing pove this. They are not Greek invaders, but natives!

:thumb down There were no Greek invadors in Greece again.
Greeks are from Greece thats why they are called Greek and Greece is called Greece.
All the groups you mentioned are early forefathers of Greek people



REAL Greeks from Ukraine since they were Indo-Europeans.
.

:thumb down

[Bobby Martnen]

Well, the OP doesn't even cluster with Anatolian Turks.

With whomst does he cluster?

[BalkanTurk]

:thumb down There were no Greek invadors in Greece again.
Greeks are from Greece thats why they are called Greek and Greece is called Greece.
All the groups you mentioned are early forefathers of Greek people



:thumb downLook, you can either be a respectful person with dignity that understands the value of history, or a disrespectful and immoral idiot that falsifies history to serve your political fascistic interests. You clearly chose the second option.

These peoples were not the forerunners of Greeks, they were subject to Greek invasions and assimilated by the real Greeks from Ukraine whom you are barely descended from - that is it. You can deny it as much as you want but the truth won't change.

[Tauromachos]

Look, you can either be a respectful person with dignity that understands the value of history, or a disrespectful and immoral idiot that falsifies history to serve his political fascistic interests. You clearly chose the second option.


@BalkanTurk
You are a disrespectful person and an immorial idiot that falsifies history and serves political fascistic interests

You do this because you are full of pride and self love because you essentialy feel empty inside

[catgeorge]

Typical mongrelized triracial rapespawn.

[BalkanTurk]

Typical mongrelized triracial rapespawn.Was the son of John Tzelepes Komnenos, nephew of the contemporary Byzantine Emperor, who converted to Islam and married a Turk also the product of rape? You Greeks should come to terms with your history of Greeks joining the Turks and the fact most of our non-Central Asian ancestry comes from men...

Sad.

[catgeorge]

Was the son of John Tzelepes Komnenos, nephew of the contemporary Byzantine Emperor, who converted to Islam and married a Turk also the product of rape? You Greeks should come to terms with your history of Greeks joining the Turks and the fact most of our non-Central Asian ancestry comes from men...

Sad.

You people are the product of 400 years of rape and stolen children what are we going to join exactly?

[BalkanTurk]

You people are the product of 400 years of rape and stolen children what are we going to join exactly?1) Janissaries were celibate and had no children.

2) if we are the product of rape why was rape an offense by Ottoman Law and punished by death or mutilation and why does most of our non-Central Asian ancestry come from men? Are you implying men can be impregnated?

[Bobby Martnen]

1) Janissaries were celibate and had no children.

2) if we are the product of rape why was rape an offense by Ottoman Law and punished by death or mutilation and why does most of our non-Central Asian ancestry come from men? Are you implying men can be impregnated?

Almost all of your Central Asian ancestry comes from men, not women, it's just that most of your ancestry isn't Central Asian, in part due to massive abduction of European children in the janissary system.

[catgeorge]

1) Janissaries were celibate and had no children.

2) if we are the product of rape why was rape an offense by Ottoman Law and punished by death or mutilation and why does most of our non-Central Asian ancestry come from men? Are you implying men can be impregnated?

I am implying the children you stolen and the women you raped. Is it difficult to understand?

So what is precisely we are joining? Based on your results you are the highly typical Turk mongrelized triracial rapespawn.

[Tauromachos]

The sad truth is that you are the dumbest idiot I have ever met and I've met a bunch of idiots.

The Myceneans were Greeks, I never denied that dipshit. The Myceneans themselves had Indo-European ancestry (less than 25%) according to a genetic study and it was them that assimilated the Minoans into Greeks. The Greek identity and language did not evolve out of the pre-Greeks, it is an Indo-European language and identity from the northern shores of the Black Sea.

We don't have any 'problems' to project on you irrelevant bunch of people, we just state the truth and use our neighbour that has gone from highly cultured to in default 50% of their time as an independent poeple to prove our point.

THAT is the sad truth you can not come to terms with.


We don't have any 'problems' to project on you irrelevant bunch of people, we just state the truth and use our neighbour that has gone from highly cultured to in default 50% of their time as an independent poeple to prove our point.

You do have serious problems projecting your identity on Greeks
The fact that you burst out slandering calling me the dumbest idiot and make long ellaborations on Greeks proves that this exactly applies to you.

[Bornoz]

Actually in such a case, the most dominant haplogroups would be Asian haplogroups in Turkey.

Because it is Y-CHROMOSOMAL DNA

I will say again, Y-CHROMOSOMAL Y, Y of the XY. You have to take it from your father. But no, Asiatic haplogroups are rare in here so nice try guise.

If he doesn't want to identified with Greeks then what is your problem :lol: He has nothing common with Greeks except this stupid numbers. And these numbers have no placce in real life. On the contrary you give plenty of money to see this numbers and that doesn't change anything. So don't harass my Turkish friend.

This malaka called catgeorge should be banned for calling someone ''rapespawn'' btw..

[brennus dux gallorum]

He is a Turk from northern Greece, but DNA matches show loads of relatives from central and southern Greece, as well ass northern Greece, and surprisingly enough also Kosovar Albanians.

Could anyone explain how there is Mediterranean islander in his results? I do remember that very few DNA matches of mine and his on Ancestry and Myheritage were Greek Cypriots, but I don't know where the connection could possibly be from. If some DNA matches are from Cyprus I'd understand there is some Mediterranean islander, but he is over a third of it...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180216/8e92aba7199f28b3b54655d8e29b8ac4.jpg

How can he show relatives in regions with no Turkish populations (south and central Greece)

[Tauromachos]

So don't harass my Turkish friend.

He should stop harassing Greeks with his nonesense also and leave the ancient Minoans in peace.

If he doesn't want to identify with Greeks he has also no buisiness identifying with what he calles Pre-Greek natives
of Ancient Greece and the Aegean Islands.

[BalkanTurk]

He should stop harassing Greeks with his nonesense also and leave the ancient Minoans in peace.

If he doesn't want to identify with Greeks he has also no buisiness identifying with what he calles Pre-Greek natives
of Ancient Greece and the Aegean Islands.

You literally proved me right by calling them pre-Greeks, thanks!!

[BalkanTurk]

How can he show relatives in regions with no Turkish populations (south and central Greece)Likely refugee ancestry. Perhaps ancestors from there that fled north to Ottoman territories after 1821. Similar situation to the Turks of Macedonia with lots of Bosniak ancestry because of all the fleeing Bosniaks to the region after Bosnia was annexed by Austro-Hungary.

[Tauromachos]

You literally proved me right by calling them pre-Greeks, thanks!!


The sad truth is that you are the dumbest idiot I have ever met and I've met a bunch of idiots.

One of them is you!^^

[brennus dux gallorum]

Likely refugee ancestry. Perhaps ancestors from there that fled north to Ottoman territories after 1821. Similar situation to the Turks of Macedonia with lots of Bosniak ancestry because of all the fleeing Bosniaks to the region after Bosnia was annexed by Austro-Hungary.

What I said applied for pre-1821 too, with the exception of 3 recorded communities (but even this is disputed in terms of linguistics)

The most southern community before 1821was in thessaly, which is not in central Greece, let alone south

[BalkanTurk]

What I said applied for pre-1821 too, with the exception of 3 recorded communities (but even this is disputed in terms of linguistics)

The most southern community before 1821was in thessaly, which is not in central GreeceNo that's not true. There were Muslim Albanians and Turks as south as the Peleponnese. I know this because a good part of them was massacred in specific ethnic cleansings like the Siege of Tripolitsa. A lot also fled north. Either way, my father recently asked for the government to set up his family tree and show where our ancestors up to the beginning of the 1800s were born. That must shed light, so I will update you when the results are in.

[Bornoz]

He should stop harassing Greeks with his nonesense also and leave the ancient Minoans in peace.

If he doesn't want to identify with Greeks he has also no buisiness identifying with what he calles Pre-Greek natives
of Ancient Greece and the Aegean Islands.

As I remember firstly someone else attacked him. Greeks are so irrevelant in this thread so he wouldn't mention Greeks without any reason for sure. He was attacked and reacted. Simple as that, no need to exaggerate.

[brennus dux gallorum]

No that's not true. There were Muslim Albanians and Turks as south as the Peleponnese. I know this because a good part of them was massacred in specific ethnic cleansings like the Siege of Tripolitsa. A lot also fled north. Either way, my father recently asked for the government to set up his family tree and show where our ancestors up to the beginning of the 1800s were born. That must shed light, so I will update you when the results are in.

All of them were Albanians, known as "turkalbanians" (Muslim Albanians) no turk was recorded

Almyros in thessaly was the most southern point of Turkish speakers

In that case you are likely to have Albanian ancestry

[Tauromachos]

As I remember firstly someone else attacked him. Greeks are so irrevelant in this thread so he wouldn't mention Greeks without any reason for sure. He was attacked and reacted. Simple as that, no need to exaggerate.

It may have very well been a Greek who attacked him first but he brought Greeks before that into this thread
its here


How much of it do mainland Greeks and Albanians score?

I think it is the third post of this thread

[BalkanTurk]

I may have very well been a Greek who attacked him first but he brought Greeks before that into this thread
its here



I think it is the third post of this threadI literally asked how much Mediterranean Islander mainland Greeks and Albanians score for comparison and you assumed I was trying to attack, diss and disrespect your entire people? Calm your tits man, Jesus Christ.

[BalkanTurk]

All of them were Albanians, known as "turkalbanians" (Muslim Albanians) no turk was recorded

Almyros in thessaly was the most southern point of Turkish speakers

In that case you are likely to have Albanian ancestryI have lots of Kosovar Albanian DNA matches but if its all Albanian then it means many Greeks have Albanian ancestors without knowing it, because these mainlanders say they are fully Greek...

[Tauromachos]

I have lots of Kosovar Albanian DNA matches but if its all Albanian then it means many Greeks have Albanian ancestors without knowing it, because these mainlanders say they are fully Greek...

?????

[brennus dux gallorum]

I have lots of Kosovar Albanian DNA matches but if its all Albanian then it means many Greeks have Albanian ancestors without knowing it, because these mainlanders say they are fully Greek...

Genetic distance doesn't necessarily mean that you have recent common ancestry

Greeks, central Italians and Albanians score close to each other obviously because of prehistoric contacts

Anyway, judging by your gedmatch, I see many possibilities for you to be Albanian, very common results for there, not to mention historical facts

As for Greece, thessaly and epirus are the parts that score close to Albania

[BalkanTurk]

Genetic distance doesn't necessarily mean that you have recent common ancestry

Greeks, central Italians and Albanians score close to each other obviously because of prehistoric contacts

Anyway, judging by your gedmatch, I see many possibilities for you to be Albanian, very common results for there, not to mention historical facts

As for Greece, thessaly and epirus are the parts that score close to Albania

I also have matches from the north and they are closest to me. One of them is some Stamatis or something like that from a village close to my ancestors' and a 4th cousin.

Either way, any idea on how Mediterranean islander appeared on there?

[Tauromachos]

I literally asked how much Mediterranean Islander mainland Greeks and Albanians score for comparison and you assumed I was trying to attack, diss and disrespect your entire people? Calm your tits man, Jesus Christ.

Whatever you did bring Greeks yourself into this thread so they are kinda relevant

And the person who attacked you first was Bosniensis a Bosnian not a Greek and when you replied to him you brought
Greeks for a second time into the discussion in a very ignorant manner

That was the point for which i started criticizing you

It was this post of yours where you replied to Bosniensis comment

Why do you call yourself Bosniak? You are clearly just forcefully islamized Serbians subject to centuries of devşirme by the oh so cruel Ottomans.

Greeks conquered the Minoans, therefore there are no Cretan Greeks? You make zero sense. Every people conquers a region and makes it their own, including yourself. It is very ironic to hear these words from a Slav.

[BalkanTurk]

Whatever you did bring Greeks yourself into this thread so they are kinda relevant

And the person who attacked you first was Bosniensis a Bosnian not a Greek and when you replied to him you brought
Greeks for a second time into the discussion in a very ignorant manner

That was the point for which i started criticizing you

It was this post of yours where you replied to Bosniensis commentalright princess

[Tauromachos]

alright princess

Peace Sultana

[BalkanTurk]

Genetic distance doesn't necessarily mean that you have recent common ancestry

Greeks, central Italians and Albanians score close to each other obviously because of prehistoric contacts

Anyway, judging by your gedmatch, I see many possibilities for you to be Albanian, very common results for there, not to mention historical facts

As for Greece, thessaly and epirus are the parts that score close to AlbaniaBy the way, I could have Albanian ancestry but internet says 'Turco-Albanian' also referred to Turkish elites and the massacres are noted to have been committed to both Albanians and Turks. I think it would make most sense that Turks were not majority anywhere in the Peleponnese but did exist.

[wvwvw]

You literally proved me right by calling them pre-Greeks, thanks!!

They were not pre-Greeks, since Minos is a misnormer. There were no such people that called themselves Minoans. King Minos lived only three generations before the Trojan war.

King Minos reigned from 1555-1510, another Minos reigned from 1420-1480 and another from 1300-1240.

What Minoan civilisation are you referring to ?

Or do you mean the Cretan Palace Civilisation or Kronidian Civilisation of 1700-1600 BC. Or the Chaotic civilisation that whet before it ?

Before 2000 BC the Cretans did not speak Greek yet, true. They spoke a Greco-Anatolian language very similar to proto-Greek which was spoken throughout the Balkans, Greece and Asia Minor, and from their language proto Greek mainly evolved. These people were called Eteocretans.

But after 2000BC the Cretans are a blend of Eteocretans, Pelasgians, Dorians etc. The palaces of Knossos and Troy appear only when other Greeks arrive in Crete and blend with the Eteocretans and that’s when the Minoan civilisation picks up, and Linear A appears, which has been shown to be a dialect of proto-Ionic and Aeolian:http://www.anistor.gr/english/enback/v014.htm Homer supports that

The Eteocretans were only regarded as non Hellenes not as non Greeks. In fact Homer states in perfectly clear language that the Eteocretans the Pelasgians the Dorians and the Achaeans all spoke related Greek dialects and that their language overlapped with the languages of the Achaeans, Dorians and Pelasgains. The only way this could be possible is if their language was descended from proto-Greek, a dialect of proto-Aeolic or proto-Mycenaean.

Homer’s Odyssey:

"There is a fair and fruitful island in mid-ocean called Crete; it is thickly peopled and there are nine cities in it: the people speak many different languages which overlap one another, for there are Achaeans, brave Eteocretans, Dorians of three-fold race, and noble Pelasgi."

[BalkanTurk]

They were not pre-Greeks, since Minos is a misnormer. There were no such people that called themselves Minoans. King Minos lived only three generations before the Trojan war.

King Minos reigned from 1555-1510, another Minos reigned from 1420-1480 and another from 1300-1240.

What Minoan civilisation are you referring to ?

Or do you mean the Cretan Palace Civilisation or Kronidian Civilisation of 1700-1600 BC. Or the Chaotic civilisation that whet before it ?

Before 2000 BC the Cretans did not speak Greek yet, true. They spoke a Greco-Anatolian language very similar to proto-Greek which was spoken throughout the Balkans, Greece and Asia Minor, and from their language proto Greek mainly evolved. These people were called Eteocretans.

But after 2000BC the Cretans are a blend of Eteocretans, Pelasgians, Dorians etc. The palaces of Knossos and Troy appear only when other Greeks arrive in Crete and blend with the Eteocretans and that’s when the Minoan civilisation picks up, and Linear A appears, which has been shown to be a dialect of proto-Ionic and Aeolian:http://www.anistor.gr/english/enback/v014.htm Homer supports that

The Eteocretans were only regarded as non Hellenes not as non Greeks. In fact Homer states in perfectly clear
language that the Eteocretans the Pelasgians the Dorians and the Achaeans all spoke related Greek dialects and that their language overlapped with the languages of the Achaeans, Dorians and Pelasgains. The only way this could be possible is if their language was descended from proto-Greek, a dialect of proto-Aeolic or proto-Mycenaean.

Homer’s Odyssey:

"There is a fair and fruitful island in mid-ocean called Crete; it is thickly peopled and there are nine cities in it: the people speak many different languages which overlap one another, for there are Achaeans, brave Eteocretans, Dorians of three-fold race, and noble Pelasgi."Spew your bullshit elsewhere I am not interested

[brennus dux gallorum]

By the way, I could have Albanian ancestry but internet says 'Turco-Albanian' also referred to Turkish elites and the massacres are noted to have been committed to both Albanians and Turks. I think it would make most sense that Turks were not majority anywhere in the Peleponnese but did exist.

They all speaked Albanian, but were counted as turks, because of Islam, either in peloponnese or in central Greece, that's what all files and traditions of this era imply, that south of thessaly there are no Turkish communities, but the only sure is that when they emigrated in northern Greece, they converted to Turkish nationality to join Turkish communities Albanian was only the language of their ancestors.

As for your question, Mediterranean islands by genetics they mean Cyprus and Sicily, with their closer relative being dodecanese islands. It's just a South European version with more neolithic component and less whg and less ane, maybe in terms of Sicily extra Arab

BTW where was this stamatis from?

[wvwvw]

Spew your bullshit elsewhere I am not interested

You did spew yours here and my post was a reply to that.

[Tauromachos]

Minoans and Mycaneans started out as the same people.

After that Mycaneans became additionaly admixed by some newcomers from the North of Greece and Minoans got some additional
Anatolian input.

That was their only difference

It in explained in the articles i have posted in this thread but of course BalkanTurks ignores it because
he wants to rewrite history of Greek people according to his own taste.

[BalkanTurk]

They all speaked Albanian, either in peloponnese or in central Greece, that's what all files and traditions of this era imply, that south of thessaly there are no Turkish communities, but the only sure is that when they emigrated in northern Greece, they converted to Turkish nationality to join Turkish communities Albanian was only the language of their ancestors

As for your question, Mediterranean islands by genetics they mean Cyprus and Sicily, with their closer relative being dodecanese islands. It's just a South European version with more neolithic component and less whg and less ane

BTW where was this stamatis from?

So the Albanians that were resettled to the Peleponnese must have intermarried with Christian Greeks since the settlers were all Muslims and many DNA matches are Greek.

He is from Velventos. I am from Akrini, they are very close to each other and I also have some matches from Ioannina and another village close to the Albanian border in Epirus. I've actually become friends with them on facebook, lol.

There's one thing though: these Albanian settlers were Tosks... I have only 2 Tosk DNA matches and we are connected because they have some Gheg ancestry. Hundreds of other matches are Ghegs from Kosovo and few from northern Albania. So how is that possible?

[brennus dux gallorum]

So the Albanians that were resettled to the Peleponnese must have intermarried with Christian Greeks since the settlers were all Muslims and hardly any DNA match of my dad's is not Christian or Greek.

He is from Velventos. I am from Akrini, they are very close to each other and I also have some matches from Ioannina and another village close to the Albanian border in Epirus. I've actually become friends with them on facebook, lol.

There's one thing though: these Albanian settlers were Tosks... I have only 2 Tosk DNA matches and we are connected because they have some Gheg ancestry. Hundreds of other matches are Ghegs from Kosovo and few from northern Albania. So how is that possible?

Yes intermarriage with Christians was a tradition, but children could not convert to Christianity, and were assimilated into the "Muslim nation". BTW Muslim back then was a turk, their real origins did not count (for example Albanians)

Anyway, Northern Greece is a different case, as not only there were Turkish communities, but were also strong, and I guess they also attracted Muslims from kosovo, which may explains your genetic match with them

I am half northern Greek (thessaly) and half ionian islander, which didn't become part of the ottos

Southern Greece was intermediate to these two regions, from most of aspect

[wvwvw]

Yes intermarriage with Christians was a tradition, but children could not convert to Christianity, and were assimilated into the "Muslim nation". BTW Muslim back then was a turk, their real origins did not count (for example Albanians)

Anyway, Northern Greece is a different case, as not only there were Turkish communities, but were also strong, and I guess they also attracted Muslims from kosovo, which may explains your genetic match with them

I am half northern Greek (thessaly) and half ionian islander, which didn't become part of the ottos

Southern Greece was intermediate to these two regions, from most of aspect

The Arvanites were Greeks from Albania and always had a Greek conscience. You are as much a moron as Lavrentis is. And Thessaly is not Northern but Central Greece.

[DarknessWin]

Most of the "Greeks" in the Balkans are actually assimilated/hellenized pre-Greeks like Pelasgians, Leleges, Tyrrhenians etc. and genetic testing pove this. They are not Greek invaders, but natives!

In addition, there are Pontic and Anatolian Greeks with no sign of Greek ancestry! Assimilated Armenians, Lazes and Anatolians!

All of these people are just forcefully assimilated natives, raised to hate their own races and have no connection to the REAL Greeks from Ukraine since they were Indo-Europeans.

And for your information, Janissaries had no children + Turkish ancestry, not DNA since there is no such thing as ethnicity DNA, is present among Balkan Turks.

Beat this.


I agree about anatolians which is the same people like modern turks = Anatolians

Stop the butthurt because ancient Greeks belong to Pontid-Alpine-DinaroMed-CM types exactly the same with over 70% of modern greeks.
But on the other hand modern Turks are the same only 2% with ancient Turks which they were asians

Actually modern turks are caucasian and anatolian natives but again your father still score more Med than Anatolian.
Its so funny, he is not ancient Turk nomad from steppes but also its not connected to Modern Anatolian turks

[DarknessWin]

All of them were Albanians, known as "turkalbanians" (Muslim Albanians) no turk was recorded

Almyros in thessaly was the most southern point of Turkish speakers

In that case you are likely to have Albanian ancestry


True, actually turks didnt come here.
Albanians and Greek traitors served ottoman army came

[BalkanTurk]

I agree about anatolians which is the same people like modern turks = Anatolians

Stop the butthurt because ancient Greeks belong to Pontid-Alpine-DinaroMed-CM types exactly the same with over 70% of modern greeks.
But on the other hand modern Turks are the same only 2% with ancient Turks which they were asians

Actually modern turks are caucasian and anatolian natives but again your father still score more Med than Anatolian.
Its so funny, he is not ancient Turk nomad from steppes but also its not connected to Modern Anatolian turksTell the same thing to Pontic Greeks but about them, simultaneously show the GEDmatch results of literally every Pontic Greek that's uploaded his raw DNA so far and then talk to me about my ancestry with your 'it's so funny' while literally almost half your people don't cluster together with the rest.

[wvwvw]

Most of the "Greeks" in the Balkans are actually assimilated/hellenized pre-Greeks like Pelasgians, Leleges, Tyrrhenians etc. and genetic testing pove this. They are not Greek invaders, but natives!
Beat this.
More bullshit from you.

Pelasgians were Greeks. Before it was called Hellas Greece was called Pelasgia which means Land of Cites. When Pelasgus built the first cities in Arkadia he took the name Pelasgus and because they now lived in cities the people became Pelasgians.

The Peloponnesians were originally Inachid Greeks, ie. Aigialeans, Pelasgians, Leleges and Argives. The Leleges were Inachid Greeks, an indigenous Greek race as much as Pelasgians and were spread all over Greece, both continental and Anatolian. Achaeans were Iapetids as were the people of Phocis and Thessaly. Thessally was controlled by the Hellenes who were Iapetid Greeks.

[Paus 3.1.1] According to the tradition of the Lacedaemonians themselves, Lelex, an aboriginal was the first king in this land (1530 BC), after whom his subjects were named Leleges. Lelex had a son Myles, and a younger one Polycaon.

[Paus 1.44.1] There is a citadel here [in Nisaea], which also is called Nisaea. Below the citadel near the sea is the tomb of Lelex, who they say arrived from Egypt and became king, being the son of Poseidon and of Libya (daughter of Epaphus)

The Tyrrhenians never set foot in Greece, they emigrated to Italy after the Thera eruption and were related to Phrygians.

Greeks were never invaders. The Aeolians, Ionians and Dorians were not invaders but indigenous to Phthiotis whcih was the land ruled by Iapetus. The Pelasgians were the
decedents of Inachus the brother of Iapetus. All of them were Greek speaking tribes.

[BalkanTurk]

More bullshit from you.

Pelasgians were Greeks. Before it was called Hellas Greece was called Pelasgia which means Land of Cites. When Pelasgus built the first cities in Arkadia he took the name Pelasgus and because they now lived in cities the people became Pelasgians.

The Peloponnesians were originally Inachid Greeks, ie. Aigialeans, Pelasgians, Leleges and Argives. The Leleges were Inachid Greeks, an indigenous Greek race as much as Pelasgians and were spread all over Greece, both continental and Anatolian. Achaeans were Iapetids as were the people of Phocis and Thessaly.
Thessally was controlled by the Hellenes.

[Paus 3.1.1] According to the tradition of the Lacedaemonians themselves, Lelex, an aboriginal was the first king in this land (1530 BC), after whom his subjects were named Leleges. Lelex had a son Myles, and a younger one Polycaon.

[Paus 1.44.1] There is a citadel here [in Nisaea], which also is called Nisaea. Below the citadel near the sea is the tomb of Lelex, who they say arrived from Egypt and became king, being the son of Poseidon and of Libya (daughter of Epaphus)

The Tyrrhenians never set foot in Greece, they emigrated to Italy after the Thera eruption and were related to Phrygians.Our hellenocentrist history falsificator is back. What's next, are Somali Greek too?

Pelasgians and Leleges were NOT Greek. Period.

[Tauromachos]

Pelasgians and Leleges were NOT Greek. Period.

Idiot :rolleyes:^^

[BalkanTurk]

Idiot :rolleyes:^^Has no braincells ^^

[Tauromachos]

Has no braincells ^^

Yes you^^^^

[wvwvw]

Tell the same thing to Pontic Greeks but about them, simultaneously show the GEDmatch results of literally every Pontic Greek that's uploaded his raw DNA so far and then talk to me about my ancestry with your 'it's so funny' while literally almost half your people don't cluster together with the rest.

Asia Minor Greeks cluster with the rest of Greeks you moron. They can be found under the category ”Central Greece”, ”Greece Athens”, ”Greece Phokaia” etc.

Pontians and Cypriots were the first to colonize Greece 10,000 years ago and have remained largely similar since then. In fact Cypriot dna has been found as far as Hungary and Neolithic Sweden. Balkan countries like Romania and Bulgaria has significant Cypriot dna.

[BalkanTurk]

Asia Minor Greeks cluster with the rest of Greeks you moron. They can be found under the category ”Central Greece”, ”Greece Athens”, ”Greece Phokaia” etc.

Pontians and Cypriots were the first to colonize Greece 10,000 years ago and have remained largely similar since then. In fact Cypriot dna has been found as far as Hungary and Neolithic Sweden. Balkan countries like Romania and Bulgaria has significant Cypriot dna.

That is why Anatolian Greeks are at least 50% similar to Armenians and Lebanese, Cappadocian Greeks have no genetic similarity with mainland Greeks and Pontic Greeks are closer to PALESTINIANS than mainland Greeks? Don't even deny it. You can keep posting your '10,000 YeArS cOlOnIzAtIoN' bullshit story but Pontic Greeks are assimilated Armeniand and Lazes.

Get out of this thread with your Cypriot 'DNA' in Sweden[emoji23][emoji23] Please just leave I can't take people like you.

[wvwvw]

Our hellenocentrist history falsificator is back. What's next, are Somali Greek too?

Pelasgians and Leleges were NOT Greek. Period.

Historians disagree with you. Where is the proof they were not Greek? Homer, Sophocles, Hesiodos, Thucydides, Hecataeus, Apollodoros, Plutarch, Herodotos, Strabo, Aeneas Virgilius, Ovidius, Dionysios Alikarnasseus all said that Pelasgians were Greek.

[Apollodoros M. 11.2,3]
”Pelasgians was the unitary name which represented the Greek nation as a whole, before the cataclysm of Deukalion & the following division into the known Greek tribes of Danaans, Achaeans, Dorians, Aeolians, Ionians, etc Pelasgos was the son of Zeus & Niobis, native grandfather of Thessalos, progenitor of the Pelasgians.”

All Latin poets called the Greeks Pelasgoi:

Virgilius as all Latin poets was calling the Greeks "PELASGI"
eg:"Reges Pelasgi" (Aeneas A624)

The Greek Pelasgians were the first to colonize Italy "Pelasgi qui primi coluisse Italiam" (AGell.Atticae A10)

Also Latin poet Ovidius refering 2 the events of the Trojan War identifies the Pelasgians with the Greeks
(Metamorphoses XII XIII)

"This was the next Greek nation after the Pelasgians to come into Italy and to take up a common residence with the Aborigines, establishing itself in the best part of Rome"
(Dionysios Alikarnasseus-Roman Antiquities)

Hectacos: Pelasgos from which Pelasgians derived was GREEK KING FROM THESSALY
Acousilaos: Pelasgos was Greek his father was Lycaon, both of Peloponnesian genealogy
In Prometheus: Pelasgian land means GREEK ARGOS
Ephoros: Pelasgian simply means prehistoric GREEK
Sophoclis: Pelasgian is synonymous to Greek
Thucydidis shares the same general view that Pelasgians are early Greeks
Dionysios Alikarnasseus: The Greek Pelasgians came to Rome

As Herodotus tell us the Hellenes and the Greeks were the most prominent Greek-speaking tribes.

Hellenes were the decedents of Hellen the son of Deukalion and was applied by the Greeks to refer to the Dorians, Aeolians, Ionians and Achaeans collectively. The Hellenes spoke the Doric, Aeolic and Attic-Ionic dialects.

The Greeks were the descendants of Graecus, the son of Pelasgus. The Pelasgians spoke the Arcado-Cypriot-Mycenean dialect of Greek. Hellenic was a specific set of Greek dialects and Pelasgic was another set of Greek dialects. All the Hellenic dialects, Doric, Aeolic, Achaean and Attic-Ionic were descended from Pelasgian.

The Dorian-Pelasgi came to Greece in 2200 BC and later in 1900 BC the Ionians came along and put a wedge between those in the north and those in the Peloponnese. The Dorian-Pelasgi in North-Western Greece became Dorians. Those in the Peloponnese and Thessaly became Pelasgi. The Dorian's were nomadic whereas the Pelasgi were City Dwellers hence their name Polis-gi. Herodotus says that both the Dorians and Ionians were originally Pelasgians.

The name Greeks was coined by the Romans from Graecus the grandson of Pelasgus king of Arcadia since the Pelasgians were the first people from Greece that the Romans encounterd since the Pelasgians colonised Italy in Mycenean times (1500-1200 BC). The language of Graecus was the same language as Pelasgus and was Arcado-Cypriot otherwise known as Mycenaean Greek. Palesgians also colonized Palestine and Philistine (Pelast ie. Pelasgians) inscriptions from Palestine also show they used Greek names.

When the Romans later encountered the Hellenes who were the descendants of Hellene king of Hellas the son of Deucalion king of Pthiotis when they colonised Italy from about the time of the first Olympiad (776 BC) and the foundation of Rome by Romulus i(753 BC) they were also called Greeks since they spoke the same language as the Pelasgian tribes that still lived in Italy at the time some of whom who came with Evander in 1250 BC had become Roman citizens.

The Pelasgians did not exist before 1600 BC at the earliest so anything 
before that time cannot possible in any way be called Pelasgian. Nor can it 
be called pre-Greek since the Greeks were already in the Greek peninsular by 
2200 BC and had reached Mycenae by 1600 BC and that is exactly when the 
Pelasgians first appear in the historical record being Argive Greeks who 
migrated to Arcadia and then moved to Thessaly in 1450 BC as well as 
founding colonies in Italy at the same time.

The genealogy and pattern of migration is well known to all historians.

1606 Pelasgus (son of Niobe daughter of Phoroneus the founder of Argos)

1685 Aezeius

1560 Lycaon

1507 Pelasgus + Deianira (daughter of Lycaon)

1488 Lycaon II

1455 Calisto

1420 Arcas (founder of Arcadia)
1507 Pelasgus

1472 Haemon (king of Thessaly)

1430 Thessalus

1405 Graecus (after whom the Greeks were so called)

Dionysus of Halicarnassus clearly states that the 
Aboriginals "from whom the Romans are originally descended" were Arcadian 
Pelasgians.

"the Aborigines can be a colony of no other people but of those who are now 
called Arcadians; 2 for these were the first of all the Greeks to cross the 
Ionian Gulf, under the leadership of Oenotrus, the son of Lycaon, and to 
settle in Italy. This Oenotrus was the fifth from Aezeius and Phoroneus, who 
were the first kings in the Peloponnesus. For Niobe was the daughter of 
Phoroneus, and Pelasgus was the son of Niobe and Zeus"

”Before the time of Hellen, son of Deucalion ... the country went by the names of the different tribes, in particular of the Pelasgian. It was not till Hellen and his sons grew strong in Phthiotis, and were invited as allies into the other cities, that one by one they gradually acquired from the connection the name of Hellenes; though a long time elapsed before that name could fasten itself upon all."
(Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War 1.1.3)

”... Pelasgians, a Greek nation which did not came from elsewhere but we were born autochthonous." (Plutarch, Peri fyges 604D-E,13)

"... for the Pelasgians, too, were a Greek nation originally from the Peloponnesus."
(Dionysius of Halicarnassus. Roman Antiquities 1.17)

”This was the next Greek nation after the Pelasgians to come into Italy and to take up a common residence with the Aborigines, establishing itself in the best part of Rome."
(Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities 1.33)

”And I think that it was the fame of this city [Argos] that prepared the way, not only for the Pelasgians and the Danaans, as well as the Argives, to be named after it, but also for the rest of the Greeks" (Strabo, Geography VIII.6)

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The Arvanites were Greeks from Albania and always had a Greek conscience. You are as much a moron as Lavrentis is. And Thessaly is not Northern but Central Greece.

I am talking about Muslims, not Christian Albanian speakers (arbanites)

And since I am not at all "moron" and do not want to report you, you can voluntary remove it from your post

And if I were you I would at least apologize

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That is why Anatolian Greeks are at least 50% similar to Armenians and Lebanese, Cappadocian Greeks have no genetic similarity with mainland Greeks and Pontic Greeks are closer to PALESTINIANS than mainland Greeks? Don't even deny it. You can keep posting your '10,000 YeArS cOlOnIzAtIoN' bullshit story but Pontic Greeks are assimilated Armeniand and Lazes.

Get out of this thread with your Cypriot 'DNA' in Sweden[emoji23][emoji23] Please just leave I can't take people like you.

Wait a minute. Anatolian Greeks from West anatolia (who make up the majority) are clearly genetically Greek, the anatolians you are talking about are from inner anatolia, and if you ate talking about the fact that genetically they are not similar to swedes, that goes for all Greeks :D

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Wait a minute. Anatolian Greeks from West anatolia (who make up the majority) are clearly genetically Greek, the anatolians you are talking about are from inner anatolia, and if you ate talking about the fact that genetically they are not similar to swedes, that goes for all Greeks :D

I agree with you. Most west Anatolian Greeks are pretty much identical to Greek islanders, but the more you go east the more that similarity decreases.

Here is a graphic from a genetic study that compares the genetic relationship between various Peleponnesians and Slavs from the Slavic 'homeland'. In the graphic at the top right it shows the difference between Peleponnesian, Anatolian (from the Sea of Marmara to Bodrum), Pontic and and Cappadocian Greeks. They are clearly very different.

Matter of fact, I have more ancient Greek ancestry than many Greeks from Anatolia. Not that that is a bad thing or that they are no Greeks and I not a Turk, but it shouldn't be denied in genetic forums.

Concerning Cypriots, wwvww said their genetics are found in Sweden, I responded saying that is nonsense. :)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180219/d9eac88a272bbc71d5eab3b2de7859b1.jpg