From where haplogroup "Q" came in France?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

In region "Rhône-Alpes" the haplogroup "Q" have frequency even 5%, which is significant compared to other European nations. What's reason for it, from where it came?

http://i64.tinypic.com/e7jchv.png

[Aspar]

We need to know what subclades of Q they have to make a conclusion but most probably are of Jewish origin.

[ButlerKing]

In region "Rhône-Alpes" the haplogroup "Q" have frequency even 5%, which is significant compared to other European nations. What's reason for it, from where it came?



Anything can be easily explained.
Bulgars subsequent migrations from Central Asia and Western Eurasia to the Europe.

They reached as far as Italy which is not far from france. Properly some Italians with haplogroup Q migrated to france Rhone
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Bulgar_subsequent_migrations_in_Europe..jpg


In Russian forum a table showed they had 60% R1a and 25% Q
70% Western Eurasian mtDNA and 30% Eastern Eurasian mtDNA.

Note* I'm going to find and post this later.

R1a is predominant in Slavs, and Central Asian Iranian Tajiks, Pamiris.
Q is dominant in Siberian Mongoloid Turkics, Southeast Asians.

http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0904/b0/27ae963ff45a.jpg
http://www.iriston.com/nogbon/pictures/Tabol/jivko_cherep_20.jpg


Anthropology of the Bulgars
http://www.iriston.com/nogbon/print.php?newsid=368
http://aquilaaquilonis.livejournal.com/86049.html

Russian translation to English

"It is interesting that male Bulgars were somewhat more Mongoloid than female Bulgars although not significantly different, it is still closer to the brachicranial Caucasoid"

" The population has abandoned medieval cemetery Small Minaret, was mixed in anthropological terms. Along with representatives brachicranial Caucasoid type are representatives of the Mongoloid race. Women's series is not significantly different from men, but, in our view, it is more Caucasoid than men. Apparently, carriers Mongoloid elements was a male part of the population who came to this territory as conquerors. (P. 93)

The examined graves in Northern Bulgaria and Southern Romania showed different somatic types, including Caucasoid-Mediterranean and less often East Asian.[165]

[Massagetae]

We need to know what subclades of Q they have to make a conclusion but most probably are of Jewish origin.

Jews are Semitic. Real Jews should carry J1 or E there is zero chance that any Q is of Jewish Origin.

[ButlerKing]

We need to know what subclades of Q they have to make a conclusion but most probably are of Jewish origin.

I think they were Bulgar origins. They migrated all the way to italy and westward as far as Bavaria/Germany. This explains things a little bit better.

Balvaria was part of the Frankish empire, maybe they allowed immigrations to their french land.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Bulgarians_and_Slavs_VI-VII_century.png

[Aspar]

Jews are Semitic. Real Jews should carry J1 or E there is zero chance that any Q is of Jewish Origin.


I am not saying that the Q's in Jews are of middle eastern origin, but they were carried in France by Jews.
Most probably of Khazar origin if you support the idea that the Jews are partly Khazar.
Here is the Jewish project for the Jewish Q : https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/jewish-q/about/background

[Aspar]

I think they were Bulgar origins. They migrated all the way to italy and westward as far as Bavaria/Germany. This explains things a little bit better.

Balvaria was part of the Frankish empire, maybe they allowed immigrations to their french land.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Bulgarians_and_Slavs_VI-VII_century.png



The Bulgars that migrated in Italy were barely 700 people, because those were the survivors out of 12000 people that were slaughtered in Bavaria by the Franks.
Also they settled in Benevento, Southern Italy.
I don't think that they left significant genetic impact in Italy, let alone France.
As I said, the most probable source are the Jews, it seems.

[ButlerKing]

I am not saying that the Q's in Jews are of middle eastern origin, but they were carried in France by Jews.
Most probably of Khazar origin if you support the idea that the Jews are partly Khazar.
Here is the Jewish project for the Jewish Q : https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/jewish-q/about/background

Khazar Jews are only 5% haplogroup Q and Rhone alpes also have 5%

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Rh%C3%B4ne-Alpes_in_France.svg/250px-Rh%C3%B4ne-Alpes_in_France.svg.png

Well god knows. If it's not Bulgars I can only think of Hungarian invasion of Europe, maybe they had people with haplogroup Q but it seems unrealistic to think it was contributed like that.

Hungarian raids in the 9–10th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Kalandozasok.jpg

[ButlerKing]

The Bulgars that migrated in Italy were barely 700 people, because those were the survivors out of 12000 people that were slaughtered in Bavaria by the Franks.
Also they settled in Benevento, Southern Italy.
I don't think that they left significant genetic impact in Italy, let alone France.
As I said, the most probable source are the Jews, it seems.

700 people is enough. A few hundred males descendants can create millions of male descendants generations after generations through founder effect.

It's properly only one study that shows France Rhones with such frequency, other french have 0% or have 1%

[Aspar]

Hungarian raids in the 9–10th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Kalandozasok.jpg[/QUOTE]



Or my other theory is that was carried by the East Germanic tribes that have picked it up while in Eastern Europe, probably from contacts with Huns.
In southern France, many East Germanic tribes settled before the Franks came, Visigoths and Burgundians among the others.

[blogen]

The haplogroup Q means the Burgundian Germans, whom metised with the Huns. This metisation was very common in the Hunnic empire. Posthunnic Gepid population from the Carpathian basin for example:


The Gepids were dominantly German origin folks with a significant Hunnic admixture.

Gepid cemetery of Kiszombor:
- 16 Nordoid (12 male, 4 female)
- 15 Osteuropid (6 male, 9 female)
- 9 Mediterranid (7 male, 2 female)
- 7 Europo-Mongoloid (3 male, 4 female)
source: Bartucz, Lajos: A kiszombori gepida temető koponyái - Dolgozatok a Magyar Királyi Ferencz József Tudományegyetem Archaeologiai Intézetéből, (11). pp. 178-203., 1936

Gepid cemetery of Kál-legelő: 5 europid, 1 mongoloid, 1 europo-mongoloid
- Nordoid-x male
- Nordo-cromagnoid male
- Cromagnoid B female
- Europid male (damaged skull)
- Europid male (damaged skull)
- Mongoloid female
- Europo-Mongoloid male (artifical deformed)
source: Hegyi Andrea, Marcsik Antónia: Kál-legelő III. Gepida időszak és 10-11. század humán csontanyagának ismertetése - Folia Anthropologica 10; 77−92., 2011

[Mens-Sarda]

Notice this :

Kingdom of the Burgundians

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Conquests_of_Clovis.png/1017px-Conquests_of_Clovis.png

Q haplogroup

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-Q.gif

The position matches exactly with the kingdom of the Burgundians, while for the presence of haplogroup Q in southern Spain, south Sardinia and Sicily, this could be explained with the Vandals who ruled that areas for a century, (Vandals were also mixed with Alans and Hun mercenaries); also the Byzantine army who reconquered these islands was half composed by Hun mercenaries.